VIP Wolves Revamped - bitter-hag

Werewolves Bot C BOT 13-Sep-21 02:01 PM

Uncertain Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Uncertain Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Uncertain Hag will turn into another hag at the end of the day. Details The Uncertain Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). At the start of the game, the Uncertain Hag may name one type of hag. At the end of the day the Uncertain Hag turns into one of the other hags, however they can not become the one they named nor can they immediately become a bitter hag. If the Uncertain Hag doesn't choose they can turn into any of the other hag roles (except bitter hag). The Uncertain Hag does not have a spell at the start of the game, but gains one later, as they turn into another hag.

Wisp 13-Sep-21 02:06 PM

@Participant please choose a type of hag to discard

Wisp 13-Sep-21 10:05 PM

@Participant you did not choose to disqualify a hag, therefore of the 3 you became Prophetic Hag

Devil 13-Sep-21 10:06 PM

congwats uwu!! youwe a weaw big boy now owo

Devil

congwats uwu!! youwe a weaw big boy now owo

Wisp 13-Sep-21 10:08 PM

cursed

Wisp

@Participant you did not choose to disqualify a hag, therefore of the 3 you became Prophetic Hag

Wisp 13-Sep-21 10:09 PM

You may investigate someone

Baker 13-Sep-21 11:18 PM

Probably would have chose that anyways

My luck

Baker 14-Sep-21 02:22 PM

Last night life happened

Hopefully I'll be more active today.

Baker

Hopefully I'll be more active today.

Wisp 14-Sep-21 02:31 PM

Valid

Werewolves Bot C BOT 14-Sep-21 08:46 PM

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Baker 14-Sep-21 09:54 PM

Given that I missed my window to try to play a Hag game similar to Astra (I think it was Astra), I'm going to be more passive this game.

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See what side is leading and hop over to their side, rather then try to force a side to win.

Wisp 14-Sep-21 10:09 PM

@Participant you have 1 spell use left

Baker 15-Sep-21 04:48 AM

as in if I don't change my decision before the end of the night, Check Bobloy

Werewolves Bot C BOT 15-Sep-21 04:48 AM

Database error. Could not find role prophetic_hag!

Database error. Could not find role prophetic!

The Hags | Additional Information The Hags win if they're alive at the end of the game, as long as the winning team didn't wrong them. At the start of the game, the Hags can win with any team, but if a team wrongs the Hags, the Hags can no longer win with them. The Hags do not know each other, but always have the same win condition and alignment. If the Hags are wronged it is announced which team has wronged the Hags, even if no Hags are left. If all remaining teams have wronged the Hags, all remaining Hags turn into bitter hags. If a Hag is attacked, killed, has their role changed, or acted upon by any role the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched the team(s) which had the most votes on the lynched Hag has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched by unusual means, the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a solo power role applies an effect to a Hag, they have wronged the Hags. Unaligned players cannot wrong the hags. Each Hag can use one specific spell. Hags may only use their spell once, however every time a Hag is wronged they gain an additional use for their spell. Hags are allowed to wait until their spell has several uses and then use it more than once in one night. Even when the Hags win condition is changed, they are still considered Unaligned (unless they turn into Bitter Hags). Use $i uah for a list of all hags.

Unaligned Align - Hags Vicious Hag Cautious Hag Prophetic Hag Uncertain Hag Bitter Hag

Prophetic Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Prophetic Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Prophetic Hag can see the current alignment of another player. Details The Prophetic Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). The Prophetic Hag may use their spell to see the current alignment of another player. This check is not affected by any disguises, obstructions or redirections.

Baker 15-Sep-21 04:48 AM

Wait actually don't do anything

Baker BOT 15-Sep-21 04:49 AM

Deleted Message @Baker You're not allowed to delete messages during the game!

Baker 15-Sep-21 04:49 AM

~~even in my secret channel notlikethis~~

Baker

Wait actually don't do anything

Wisp 15-Sep-21 09:27 AM

ok nothing tonight then

Wisp 15-Sep-21 10:11 PM

You have 1 spell use left

Werewolves Bot C BOT 15-Sep-21 10:36 PM

Syntax error. Invalid Player #1!

✅ Created #🐢!

Baker 16-Sep-21 04:59 PM

@Wisp Can spells be used in the day?

or only night

Vampire 16-Sep-21 05:01 PM

pinging host works better than pinging only one

Baker 16-Sep-21 05:01 PM

sorry Vera I thought Wisp was only host

Baker

@Wisp Can spells be used in the day?

Baker 16-Sep-21 05:01 PM

@Host ^^

Vampire 16-Sep-21 05:02 PM

I'm the only other host

but dw

Interestingly enough there's only 1 mention of when a spell can be used

It mentions night but it never mentions that it can be used only at night

Do remember that you currently only have 1 spell

I'd say you can use it whenver you want to, but I'll wait for input from ethan, just to be sure

Baker 16-Sep-21 05:03 PM

I understand that, was wanting to test LoG.

hoping to work with wolves

Vampire 16-Sep-21 05:04 PM

interesting

Devil 16-Sep-21 06:07 PM

i would suggest that this section heavily implies you can only use spells at night, however it isn't explicit

Baker 16-Sep-21 06:32 PM

Nevermind, if Luffy is Runner

working with town

~~hey I said I was going to flip flop who I was working with~~

Devil

i would suggest that this section heavily implies you can only use spells at night, however it isn't explicit

Vampire 16-Sep-21 06:35 PM

yeah that's why i wanted to wait to see what ethan would allow, better discuss this with hosts and then after the game submit a change if needed

Devil 16-Sep-21 06:35 PM

yep

Wisp 16-Sep-21 08:43 PM

Spells can only be used at night @Baker, it just hasn't been updated yet iirc

Flute Player 16-Sep-21 09:11 PM

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/438/files

Hag spell during night by McTsts · Pull Request #438 · McTsts/Werew...

Fixes #426

we need to finish v13 or something

Wisp 16-Sep-21 10:06 PM

@Participant You have 1 spell use left

Baker 16-Sep-21 10:08 PM

Use it on Leila

Baker

Use it on Leila

Wisp 16-Sep-21 10:10 PM

are you sure this is immediate?

Baker 16-Sep-21 10:11 PM

yes

I'm sure

Wisp 16-Sep-21 10:13 PM

@Psychic Wolf is Townsfolk

Werewolves Bot C BOT 16-Sep-21 11:53 PM

The Hags | Additional Information The Hags win if they're alive at the end of the game, as long as the winning team didn't wrong them. At the start of the game, the Hags can win with any team, but if a team wrongs the Hags, the Hags can no longer win with them. The Hags do not know each other, but always have the same win condition and alignment. If the Hags are wronged it is announced which team has wronged the Hags, even if no Hags are left. If all remaining teams have wronged the Hags, all remaining Hags turn into bitter hags. If a Hag is attacked, killed, has their role changed, or acted upon by any role the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched the team(s) which had the most votes on the lynched Hag has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched by unusual means, the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a solo power role applies an effect to a Hag, they have wronged the Hags. Unaligned players cannot wrong the hags. Each Hag can use one specific spell. Hags may only use their spell once, however every time a Hag is wronged they gain an additional use for their spell. Hags are allowed to wait until their spell has several uses and then use it more than once in one night. Even when the Hags win condition is changed, they are still considered Unaligned (unless they turn into Bitter Hags). Use $i uah for a list of all hags.

Unaligned Align - Hags Vicious Hag Cautious Hag Prophetic Hag Uncertain Hag Bitter Hag

Database error. Could not find role cautious!

Database error. Could not find role cautious_hag!

Cautious Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Cautious Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Cautious Hag can protect a player. Details The Cautious Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). The Cautious Hag may use their spell to protect a player. The Cautious Hag may protect themself. This power is not affected by redirections.

Vicious Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Vicious Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Vicious Hag can attack another player. Details The Vicious Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). The Vicious Hag may use their spell to attack another player. This power is not affected by redirections.

Devil 17-Sep-21 08:37 AM

congrats

Devil 17-Sep-21 09:23 AM

you have an additional spell use now

Baker 17-Sep-21 02:56 PM

Oof was asleep so couldn't use it

oh well

I honestly think this is GG, but if not I still should be fine.

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:09 PM

@Participant you become bitter as no team left has spared your kind

You can now use 1 Kill 1 Protect 2 Investigation (edited)

Wisp

@Participant you become bitter as no team left has spared your kind

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:32 PM

? Little confused by this

I'm not used to solo Hag, so idk why I became bitter.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:32 PM

You're up against 2 teams

Townsfolk and Werewolves

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:32 PM

bitter hag is when only teams that have wronged hag remain

it's an edgecase thing

so since only town remain

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:33 PM

what are you on about ethan

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:33 PM

you became bitter

idk

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:33 PM

it's not an edgecase

This is the intended purpose of Hag

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:33 PM

Ts said it was edgecase as hags can't win if everyone alive is in a team that wronged them

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:34 PM

Wait a second...

Only Mat voted me

How could town have wronged me?

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:34 PM

The Hags | Additional Information The Hags win if they're alive at the end of the game, as long as the winning team didn't wrong them. At the start of the game, the Hags can win with any team, but if a team wrongs the Hags, the Hags can no longer win with them. The Hags do not know each other, but always have the same win condition and alignment. If the Hags are wronged it is announced which team has wronged the Hags, even if no Hags are left. If all remaining teams have wronged the Hags, all remaining Hags turn into bitter hags. If a Hag is attacked, killed, has their role changed, or acted upon by any role the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched the team(s) which had the most votes on the lynched Hag has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched by unusual means, the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a solo power role applies an effect to a Hag, they have wronged the Hags. Unaligned players cannot wrong the hags. Each Hag can use one specific spell. Hags may only use their spell once, however every time a Hag is wronged they gain an additional use for their spell. Hags are allowed to wait until their spell has several uses and then use it more than once in one night. Even when the Hags win condition is changed, they are still considered Unaligned (unless they turn into Bitter Hags). Use $i uah for a list of all hags.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:34 PM

It was publically announced...

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:34 PM

Hags wronged you last night

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:35 PM

https://canary.discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/886944681647288341/888312494928580628 @Baker

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:36 PM

That was 10 hours after though.

Very confused on how a night action could wrong me.

Oh well, would have played this a bit differently.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:36 PM

If a Hag is attacked, killed, has their role changed, or acted upon by any role the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags.

any action performed on a hag will wrong them

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:37 PM

Oh so TI checked me, which wronged me?

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:37 PM

That is a possible scenario

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:37 PM

Oh well wish I played this much differently.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:37 PM

A target by, for example, a journalist or huntress, would also wrong you

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:37 PM

I didn't know about this case.

Only thought attacks/attempted attacks wronged hags

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:38 PM

Anyway you can kill someone and check 2 people I think

And protect someone

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:39 PM

The kill doesn't go through runner though right?

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:39 PM

The kill would kill a runner

As it's a solo kill not a wolf kill

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:39 PM

Runners only escape Wolfpack attacks

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:39 PM

Runner | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics Once per game, if attacked by a werewolf, the Runner shall escape. Details When they are attacked by a werewolf, the Runner will not die, but will be vulnerable to future attacks. If a Runner is targeted by any kill other than a werewolf kill, they will die the first time. Runners are informed that they were attacked. If a Runner evades a wolfpack kill, the wolfpack is told their target ran away. If a Runner evades a kill from a wolf outside of the pack, that wolf is informed instead.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:40 PM

And Lone Wolf attacks

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:40 PM

Or a werewolf Fletcher customer

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:41 PM

Ok

Can I have my actions delayed

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:41 PM

Yeah

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:41 PM

I don't want these set in stone

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:41 PM

Vicious Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Vicious Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Vicious Hag can attack another player. Details The Vicious Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). The Vicious Hag may use their spell to attack another player. This power is not affected by redirections.

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:42 PM

Kill is end night anyway I think

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:42 PM

Delay Kill Luffy, Delay Protect Me, Delay Check Sharl and Galaxy

Does Protect protect me from a lynch or?

Just night kill

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:43 PM

Cautious Hag | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics The Cautious Hag can win with any team, unless that team has wronged the hags. The Cautious Hag can protect a player. Details The Cautious Hag is one of the hags ($i hags). The Cautious Hag may use their spell to protect a player. The Cautious Hag may protect themself. This power is not affected by redirections.

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:43 PM

Err just kills I believe

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:43 PM

Syntax error. Unknown command bitter_hag!

Baker 17-Sep-21 10:43 PM

Alright

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:43 PM

Syntax error. Unknown command bitter!

Wisp 17-Sep-21 10:44 PM

Bitter hags just gain one of each hag spells I think

Werewolves Bot C BOT 17-Sep-21 10:44 PM

The Hags | Additional Information The Hags win if they're alive at the end of the game, as long as the winning team didn't wrong them. At the start of the game, the Hags can win with any team, but if a team wrongs the Hags, the Hags can no longer win with them. The Hags do not know each other, but always have the same win condition and alignment. If the Hags are wronged it is announced which team has wronged the Hags, even if no Hags are left. If all remaining teams have wronged the Hags, all remaining Hags turn into bitter hags. If a Hag is attacked, killed, has their role changed, or acted upon by any role the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched the team(s) which had the most votes on the lynched Hag has wronged the Hags. If a Hag is lynched by unusual means, the team of the player responsible has wronged the Hags. If a solo power role applies an effect to a Hag, they have wronged the Hags. Unaligned players cannot wrong the hags. Each Hag can use one specific spell. Hags may only use their spell once, however every time a Hag is wronged they gain an additional use for their spell. Hags are allowed to wait until their spell has several uses and then use it more than once in one night. Even when the Hags win condition is changed, they are still considered Unaligned (unless they turn into Bitter Hags). Use $i uah for a list of all hags.

Bitter Hag | Solo Killing - Hag Team | Limited Basics If the hags have been wronged by all remaining teams, they turn into Bitter Hags. The Bitter Hag wins if all remaining players are dead, unaligned or hags. The Bitter Hag may use each of the hag spells once. Details When hags become Bitter Hags they gain a new secret channel with the other Bitter Hags (if there are any). Each Bitter Hag may protect, investigate and attack a player once. The spells of the Bitter Hag work like the spells of the cautious, vicious and prophetic hag and are not affected by any disguises, redirections or obstructions. The Bitter Hag cannot be part of role lists and can only be created by a hag turning into it.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 10:45 PM

There's no clear phase of protection, but for consistency of the other hags, i'd say its night protection

Baker 17-Sep-21 11:16 PM

If it's Bitter vs Town is it a draw?

Baker

If it's Bitter vs Town is it a draw?

Wisp 17-Sep-21 11:17 PM

if bitter hag has no spells and there is no way for town to kill the bitter then yeah

Vampire 17-Sep-21 11:18 PM

it'd be a tie, not a draw

they're different situations

Baker 17-Sep-21 11:19 PM

Oh I see.

Vampire 17-Sep-21 11:19 PM

in a tie, everyone alive wins

in a draw, ascensions win and everyone else loses

Baker 18-Sep-21 03:10 AM

Can I check Sharl and Galaxy now?

Baker

Can I check Sharl and Galaxy now?

Wisp 18-Sep-21 10:12 AM

@White Werewolf is Townsfolk @Warlock is Townsfolk

Baker 18-Sep-21 04:24 PM

Oh well, the no-thought lynch on Mat was a mistake on my part due to not knowing fully how the role worked.

but I can only blame myself

This argument can be easily countered by I don't have a kill if there was a WW alive

but I have to try