VIP Wolves Revamped - probably-town

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 09:35 AM

@Examiner of Wolves has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 4 @Turtle Controller @Gambling Evaluator @Art Reviewer @Examiner of Wolves

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 09:36 AM

the name says it

we'll obviously need to betray void sometime

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 09:36 AM

Shepherd | Solo Power - Flock Team Basics Each night, the Shepherd may choose one player to herd. When everyone is dead, herded or part of the flock the Shepherd wins. Details Whenever a player is herded, they will join a secret channel with the other herded players. The Shepherd may see everything said in this channel, from the safety of their secret channel. Members of the flock can not be herded. During the day, the Shepherd may steal a herded player's votes for the current day, however that player will be unherded. Players with negative votes can't have their negative votes stolen. The Shepherd is informed how many votes they have after stealing a vote. During the night, if there's two or more herded players, the Shepherd is protected from attacks. Every time the Shepherd is attacked, two random herded players will immediately be unherded instead. At the start of the game, the Shepherd may choose a role as a strong disguise. If the Shepherd doesn’t choose a role, they will be disguised as a citizen. If the game started with more than 20 players, the Shepherd may herd two players each night, instead of one.

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 09:36 AM

during the day

so we won't be able to do much if he can keep stealing mayor votes or something

7 players will live tmrw if we lynch vera tmrw, wolves will kill one of us (probably, chance of void being attacked too)

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 09:38 AM

Yeah we need to hope wolves deal with void

Only way town can win

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 09:38 AM

idts tho, i'm sure vera knows void is useful to wolves

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 09:38 AM

Town cant get both shepherd and wolves if wolves dont kill him

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 09:38 AM

(unless they still think topk is shepherd, but unlikely)

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 09:39 AM

Well either way we immediately lose if we dont work with him

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 09:39 AM

yea

for now we must work with him

if we do it carefully the wolves might get complacent and waste a kill on void

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 12:08 PM

just three of us now

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:13 PM

So I'll explain to you all what nonsense happened to me earlier

My coward target was kruthers

kruther is CF, and targeted me

Since CF is not in the wolfpack, I redirected that back at kruthers, and they saw me as CF

so they CC'd me and admitted to being a fox. Thinking we're both foxes

I played along, but paniced and decided to cc Vera and tell them what happened (edited)

So what went from an awesome moment immediately went down the tubes. Cause now vera knows who the real CF is

Not 5 minutes after I told vera, luffy cc'd me to tell me they saw kruthers as the fox

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 02:46 PM

Citizen | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Citizen has no special abilities. Details All the Citizens vote during the day on whomever they suspect to be an enemy and hope during the night that they won’t get killed.

Clairvoyant Fox | Werewolf Investigative Basics Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may investigate a player, and the results will be known to both them and the Wolfpack. Once per game, the Clairvoyant Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may either investigate a player or choose to join the wolfpack. When the Clairvoyant Fox investigates a player they see that player's role. The investigation is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. If the Clairvoyant Fox survives the day, the result of the investigation is announced to them as well as to the wolfpack at the start of the night. The wolfpack only sees the result - they don't know who was checked. The Clairvoyant Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Clairvoyant Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Clairvoyant Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not investigate that day, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack is an immediate ability and investigating a player is an end effect.

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:47 PM

this isn't very good

i had a plan involving your ability remaining

now with it gone

hmm

looks like we're not gonna win whatever happens

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:54 PM

only chance I've got is Vera thinks I trust them

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:54 PM

if the wolves kill one of us tonight - one who isn't herded - then we have 0 chance, we'd be forced to try and lynch shepherd to get him to unherd us and steal our votes if they attack the shepherd, and we lynch one of them, then we'll be forced to lynch the shepherd the next day (most likely), and we could only win if we had a surviving mayor - which we can't have with your ability gone

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:55 PM

also, I don't think vera knows top is a wolf

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:55 PM

vera could only be trouble if she convinces void to lynch one of us

Gambling Evaluator also, I don't think vera knows top is a wolf

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:55 PM

how can she not know? another fox of some sort?

it sorta makes sense though, two foxes would mean the wolves aren't too strong

if she doesn't know... we still have a chance

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:57 PM

They're gonna make a mayor announcement about who to lynch today

I think it'll be top

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:57 PM

ofc

hmm

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:57 PM

do we play along, or still try to lynch vera?

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:57 PM

that could be to throw us off

lemme think of it

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 02:57 PM

cause a wolf is a wolf

if shepherd stole votes, not sure it matters how we vote

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 02:58 PM

ah yes ofc

our votes would hardly count tbh

but we can convince shepherd ig

lets see

if we can get vera to lynch her own

hmm

actually forget vera

she hardly matters

need to think about void

what's void thinking

if void decides to lynch one of us, we're done for, and wolves would have an easy victory as they'd just attack void tonight

so maybe we should have a word with him to not lynch us

on the other hand if he lynches topk instead of vera

hmm

that could work

what's the chances you could convince vera topk is innocent, so that she pushes void to lynch him instead of any of us?

at least that'd make a good safeguard if void decides to betray us today

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 03:09 PM

I'll see what I can do, when Vera comes online

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 04:31 PM

Alright, vera doesn't trust me anymore

But kruthers still trusts me somehow

Vera wants to lynch void, so mission accomplished

Kruthers is gonna join the pack tonight

they want to tie the vote with me

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 04:43 PM

WOW

Alright kruthers trusts me more than vera

Kruthers now believes vera is not a wolf

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 05:35 PM

wtf

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 05:35 PM

wtf What The Frickety fruck, boi, the fuck

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 05:35 PM

but kruthers doesn't really seem to have much of an idea what's happening

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:09 PM

Void thinks I'm wolf, probably cause they're hearing that from the actual wolves trying to get him to their side

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:10 PM

interesting developments

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:10 PM

Yeah, wolves are trying to bargain with shepherd, for sure

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:11 PM

but i can't actually do anything until tomorrow, so i'm not gonna think too much about this until then

hmm

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:11 PM

Good thing wolves want him dead, so we should be good for now

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:11 PM

if you vote for vera, then we'll know who the wolf is by seeing whoever switches if no one switches, the worst the wolves can do is tie

(with void's support)

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:12 PM

Tie is bad, I don't want to risk that

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:12 PM

indeed

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:12 PM

In a tie, wolves can kill a town and we lose

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:12 PM

but void is unlikely to vote for himself

so there's no point being on void

unless we all agree to lynch void

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:12 PM

well we have to lynch void in the next day or two

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:13 PM

yes

but until vera lives, is it worth trying to lynch void?

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:13 PM

No, vera is first for sure

Basically we don't want any mayors from here out

cause that will give the shepherd an extra vote to steal

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:14 PM

not if we lynch him on the day when mayor is elected

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:14 PM

Best chance we've got is getting kruthers to kill void tonight

Then we lynch kruthers tomorrow, and top the next day and win

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:15 PM

indeed

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:15 PM

kruthers might figure out i'm not CF when they join the pack though

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:15 PM

they almost certainly shall ig

but it won't matter

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:16 PM

hopefully not, but we will see

Gambling Evaluator Best chance we've got is getting kruthers to kill void tonight

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:16 PM

thing is it won't work, void will survive it might buy us an extra day to lynch void, but that's it

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:17 PM

why would void survive?

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:17 PM

he'd have 2 herded

myself, and whoever else he chooses

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 07:17 PM

Shepherd | Solo Power - Flock Team Basics Each night, the Shepherd may choose one player to herd. When everyone is dead, herded or part of the flock the Shepherd wins. Details Whenever a player is herded, they will join a secret channel with the other herded players. The Shepherd may see everything said in this channel, from the safety of their secret channel. Members of the flock can not be herded. During the day, the Shepherd may steal a herded player's votes for the current day, however that player will be unherded. Players with negative votes can't have their negative votes stolen. The Shepherd is informed how many votes they have after stealing a vote. During the night, if there's two or more herded players, the Shepherd is protected from attacks. Every time the Shepherd is attacked, two random herded players will immediately be unherded instead. At the start of the game, the Shepherd may choose a role as a strong disguise. If the Shepherd doesn’t choose a role, they will be disguised as a citizen. If the game started with more than 20 players, the Shepherd may herd two players each night, instead of one.

Gambling Evaluator 27-Apr-21 07:17 PM

Oh, but I thought they're stealing the votes

which means they're un-herded

Examiner of Wolves 27-Apr-21 07:18 PM

they're stealing from vera

not me

not so far at least

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 12:11 AM

Well three town, two wolves, and a shepherd left. Tonight basically decides it

@Turtle Controller reporter report?

Turtle Controller 28-Apr-21 06:59 AM

I wasn't elected to begin with, RW cancelled the election.

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 01:02 PM

Well void is voting for me, which is bad

We need to kill a wolf today still

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 01:23 PM

No kills means shepherd survived a wolf attack

Gambling Evaluator No kills means shepherd survived a wolf attack

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 01:31 PM

he did

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:48 PM

So if we lynch Void today, wolves kill a town at night and we're at 2-2 and lose the next day

We need to lynch a wolf today still

despite Void be uncooperative

Most important thing is we need to make sure no one gets mayor

Gotta watch out for snipes

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 03:54 PM

mayor would be an issue true

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:55 PM

Also kruthers is probably the better lynch today

Haven't heard from them yet, but they probably know I'm not ~~town~~wolf by now (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 03:57 PM

I made a deal with kruthers to not lynch him, it's the only reason void was attacked

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:57 PM

Top it is then

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 03:57 PM

If I go back on this deal now then nobody would ever trust me in another game

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:58 PM

Any idea who is currently herded?

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 03:58 PM

No one

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:58 PM

nice

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 03:58 PM

void was attacked and lost all herded

you were herded, but i think you never came online to see it

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 03:58 PM

Yeah never saw it

So wolves best plan is to kill a town tonight though

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:00 PM

that makes us the kingmakers

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:00 PM

Well we need to lynch wolf, for sure

Werewolves Bot C BOT 28-Apr-21 04:00 PM

Alive Players | Total: 6

- Mr. Turtle (@Turtle Controller)

- kruthers (@Panda the Assessor)

- VoidMist (@Diamond Overseer)

- Lord of Galaxy (@Examiner of Wolves)

- Bobloy (@Gambling Evaluator)

- Topkinsme (@A Happy Investigator) (edited)

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:00 PM

Assuming I die, tomorrow there is 1 wolf, 1 shepherd, and 2 town

1 person is herded

as long as that person isn't also the person who died, shepherd has half the votes

unless shepherd doesn't take the vote, right move is to lynch no one

that forces the wolf to kill the shepherd again, which causes no deaths

so once again, 1 wolf, 1 shepherd, and 2 town

this time shepherd has no one herded

Right move is to lynch no one again, force the wolf to kill the sheperd

if the wolf kills town, shepherd takes the votes and lynches wolf, then wins at night

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:04 PM

hmm that could actually work, except the wolf wouldn't kill the shepherd the second time - he'd just kill no one

and then no lynch, and then wolf attacks shepherd and we're back where we started (edited)

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:04 PM

Yup

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:04 PM

but, that's actually a stalemate

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

wolf can delay game indefinitely

or town can win

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

so we have a 4-way win

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

that's the only outcome

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

i'll take it

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

we need to lynch wolf today, then make this info public to end it

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

indeed

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:05 PM

we don't have a runner or anything, right?

cause then we could win with mayor after lynching shepherd

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

we'd also need to play it out to ensure that noone else comes up with some cheekier plan or something

Gambling Evaluator we don't have a runner or anything, right?

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

nope i had hoped you still had your ability but you don't

if you'd had then we would've won ofc

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

doesn't even stop kills, unfortunately

I can only redirect non-kill actions

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

wait what?

Werewolves Bot C BOT 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

Coward | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Coward may select a player to redirect one wolf action to. Details The Coward may target a player. They can update this target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Coward wants. When the Coward is affected by a wolf power, that is not an attack, it will be redirected to the target without the wolves being informed. The Coward cannot redirect a wolf power onto a wolf in the pack, and if the Coward tries to, then the redirection will silently fail. The Coward's redirection power can only be used once per game.

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:06 PM

ohh

that's... pathetically weak

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:07 PM

Better than citizen

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:07 PM

true

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 04:07 PM

got kruther to admit CF to me, which was wild

worth it just for that experience IMO

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 04:09 PM

true

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 05:10 PM

@Examiner of Wolves and @Turtle Controller Gonna need you to vote for Top today. If kruthers joins with Top and Void, wolves definitely win

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 06:23 PM

Welp, looks like Void is only willing to vote kruthers

Galaxy you don't have to vote kruthers, but turtle should

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 08:15 PM

@Turtle Controller @Examiner of Wolves don't forget, we don't want a mayor at all today. If anyone is elected mayor, shepherd will steal those votes and have 3 votes tomorrow, to control town

Turtle Controller 28-Apr-21 08:15 PM

If Shepherd isn't dead by tomorrow, game is over anyways

I also don't trust wolves not to snipe.

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 08:15 PM

yea

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 08:16 PM

only if there is a mayor will shepherd win tomorrow

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 08:16 PM

why?

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 08:16 PM

Wolves kill a town, then we've got Town: 2 Wolf: 1 Shepherd: 1

Town either has 1 or 2 votes, wolf either has 1 or 0 votes

but non-shepherd votes are 2, and shepherd votes are 2

Meaning we tie the lynch

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 08:18 PM

and then...?

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 08:18 PM

Tie lynch means wolf has to kill shepherd or no-kill to avoid losing

Examiner of Wolves 28-Apr-21 08:18 PM

hmm

Gambling Evaluator 28-Apr-21 08:18 PM

if they kill shepherd, town wins

no-kill, and we start over again

2-1-1

If shepherd doesn't steal the vote and keeps someone herded, wolf has to attempt to kill them that night or they will have voting majority the next day (edited)

but if there's a mayor, shepherd lynches the wolf tomorrow and has majority the next day

waaait

if we elect town mayor, wolf has to kill shepherd

then shepherd is dead, and we got mayor

that's just a town win

if wolf kills a town instead of shepherd, then sheperd wins

So we make the wolf kingmaker is a town is elected mayor