VIP Wolves Revamped - dead

Werewolves Bot C BOT 25-Apr-21 07:50 PM

Signed Up Players | Total: 11

- Vera (@Archer the Auditor)

- Mr. Turtle (@Turtle Controller) ▪️ - Ethan. (@Mr. Square the Checker)

- kruthers (@Panda the Assessor)

- VoidMist (@Diamond Overseer)

- Leilaboo (@Bug Scrutinizer)

- Captain Luffy (@Art Reviewer)

- Lord of Galaxy (@Examiner of Wolves)

- Bobloy (@Gambling Evaluator)

‍

- MatMeister (@An Eye in a Speech Bubble)

- Topkinsme (@A Happy Investigator) (edited)

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 07:55 PM

I’m an Android now

Werewolves Bot C BOT 25-Apr-21 08:13 PM

Players | Total: 11

- @Archer the Auditor (Pack Tanner); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Turtle Controller (Journalist); Alive:

; CCs: 1; Votes: 1,1,0 ▪️ - @Mr. Square the Checker (Innkeeper); Alive:

; CCs: 1; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Panda the Assessor (Clairvoyant Fox); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Diamond Overseer (Shepherd); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Bug Scrutinizer (Huntress); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Art Reviewer (Fortune Teller); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Examiner of Wolves (Royal Wolf); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Gambling Evaluator (Coward); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

‍

- @An Eye in a Speech Bubble (Angel); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,-1 (edited)

- @A Happy Investigator (Citizen); Alive:

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 (edited)

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 08:13 PM

aww :)

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:10 PM

of the two peoplewith disguises

how did both invests manage to check both disguised

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 10:11 PM

Luck (:

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:11 PM

this could work out well for void

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:24 PM

wtf is vera doing

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:24 PM

doing pack tanner things

okay we should keep track of issues

since we can't really create them rn

1) clarify wether CF/DF is revealed as such or if just the role is given - temp solution: just role 2) pack tanner is probably too strong even with just 1 disguise - possible solution: it can only tan players not in the pack 3) specify that herding is immediate 4) RK/RF are able to cancel current not next election 5) can a CF see a DF disguise? (both are end day) 6) Tanner/Pack Tanner disguises should probably already be active during the day(?) 7) Shepherd steals mayor vote? 8) make it more clear that Coward cant redirect attacks 9) can shepherd steal several players votes? 10) "royal" causes confusion 11) some roles like Assassin aren't limited to "one" (edited)

Original message was deleted.

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:27 PM

Pinned a message.

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 10:31 PM

~~3) inconsistency: ferocious fox mentions cancelling attack when choosing to join Wolfpack, but clairvoyant fox doesn’t mention that cancelling investigation is also immediate~~ (edited)

Werewolves Bot C BOT 25-Apr-21 10:31 PM

Ferocious Fox | Werewolf Killing Basics Each day, the Ferocious Fox may target a player, and the target will be known to the Wolfpack. At the end of the next night, the Ferocious Fox will attack the selected target. Once per game, the Ferocious Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Ferocious Fox may either target a player or choose to join the wolfpack. The Hosts announce the target to the wolfpack at the start of each night. The Ferocious Fox may cancel their attack during the night, but they cannot change target. The Ferocious Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Ferocious Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Ferocious Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not target anyone that day, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack, choosing a target and cancelling the attack are immediate abilities. Attacking a player is an end-night ability. If the Ferocious Fox attacks someone who isn’t on the Townsfolk team or a Solo role, they die.

Lab Android ~~3) inconsistency: ferocious fox mentions cancelling attack when choosing to join Wolfpack, but clairvoyant fox doesn’t mention that cancelling investigation is also immediate~~ (edited)

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:32 PM

cancelling the attack is a different ability

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 10:32 PM

Oh true yea

Forgot

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:32 PM

I think for FF I might want to change it so that the info it gives to pack is the role of the target? idk

it'd be more consistent

either way I want to figure out the optimal version of CF first

(before we start properly working on more foxes)

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:45 PM

#inn

Void realized that he does not actually want to be killed

he's kinda exposing that it's a fake claim

what is he doing

I am so confused

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:50 PM

you know what would have been a power move

not actually putting shepherd in this list

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:51 PM

yeah

I was considering it tbh

but I also did want to see it in game

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:52 PM

ye

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 10:53 PM

new solos is so difficult

have we had any new ones that work ever?

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 10:56 PM

no <3

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 11:02 PM

uh is somebody supposed to be in #ihaveanidea

what does happen when a guest dies... nothing probably?

Void claimed to Vera

now is Vera gonna think he's DF

possible

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 11:16 PM

Maybe

Talented Scientist uh is somebody supposed to be in #ihaveanidea

Lab Android 25-Apr-21 11:17 PM

Maybe??

Clumsy Assistant 25-Apr-21 11:30 PM

also why is vera convinced its df?

Talented Scientist 25-Apr-21 11:57 PM

she might not know how CF works

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 11:51 AM

epic claim

oh boy void talking to log in herded and a cc at the same time

lets hope log doesnt notice

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 12:17 PM

if Vera tells void he's DF things could become interesting

oh boy

and void owns that cc

#diamondzzz

damn I wonder how he's gonna play this now

Sentient Rock 26-Apr-21 12:27 PM

df

Werewolves Bot C BOT 26-Apr-21 12:27 PM

Disguised Fox | Werewolf Power Basics Each day, the Disguised Fox may select a disguise, and the disguise will be announced to the Wolfpack. Once per game, the Disguised Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Disguised Fox may either select a disguise or choose to join the wolfpack. If the Disguised Fox does not select a disguise, they will be disguised as a wolf. The Disguised Fox's disguise is a strong disguise. The Hosts announce to the wolfpack at the start of each night what disguise the Disguised Fox has chosen. The Disguised Fox's disguise wears off at the end of each night. The Disguised Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Disguised Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Disguised Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not select a disguise for that night, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack is an immediate ability and selecting a disguise is an end effect.

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 03:32 PM

I wonder if void is gonna reveal #diamondzzz

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 06:58 PM

oooooooooh #diamantes

they're gonna be confused af when they figure out Void cant be RK

hahaha I love how CF is actually checking a Coward (though sadly it wont show up as such)

(and Coward would be Void's DF role)

its gonna redirect onto CF though

EoD is gonna be absolute chaos

I'm excited

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 07:43 PM

this game

Werewolves Bot C BOT 26-Apr-21 09:05 PM

Tanner | Werewolf Power Basics Each day, the Tanner may disguise up to two players as roles of the Tanner’s choosing. Details Each day, the Tanner can weakly disguise two players; the night after, to roles affected by weak disguises, their roles will appear to be what the Tanner has disguised the players as. The Tanner may disguise themselves. Disguising players is an immediate effect. If the tanner disguises a player who is part of the wolfpack, the tanner is informed by the Hosts that “At least one of the players you tanned tonight is part of the wolfpack”. If the Tanner dies, the assigned players will keep their disguises for the night. All players lose their disguise at the end of the night. The Tanner is not a lycan, and is not part of the wolfpack.

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

@Talented Scientist how could I die

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

Huntress killed you

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

Oh

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

im dead

how am i dead

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

Angel killed you

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:04 PM

bRUH

@Mr. Square the Checker what were you

wheres the role list

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:05 PM

I was innkeeper

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:05 PM

ripp

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:05 PM

vera is wolf

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:05 PM

LOL

ADFJHDHSJKDHAKJDHSAKJ

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:05 PM

why did you target me ;n;

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:06 PM

lmao sorryy

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:06 PM

Vera is wolf

So vera kruthers and log

wow

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 10:07 PM

CF sees CF

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:08 PM

lol

This game man

:|

Bug Scrutinizer 26-Apr-21 10:08 PM

its fucked for town now probably

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:09 PM

yep

town sus all the wrong people

ngl

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 10:10 PM

I mean you had Vera

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:10 PM

irl kinda good I died

I discovered something on accident

An Eye in a Speech Bubble 26-Apr-21 10:11 PM

Ggs

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:12 PM

Type a letter

An Eye in a Speech Bubble 26-Apr-21 10:12 PM

Vera did a risky fakeclaim and was rewarded with no more worrying about me and leila

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:12 PM

and do

ctrl + B or I

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:14 PM

OH COOL

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:14 PM

I

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:14 PM

dick

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:14 PM

Errm

Ctrl+U

too

but

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:14 PM

uterus

indiana jones

An Eye in a Speech Bubble 26-Apr-21 10:16 PM

Please send as a message from me: LOLLLLL I WIN AND YOU LOSE! EAT MY GORGEOUS PLUMP TRANS GUSSY

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:16 PM

aight

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:16 PM

Can I just send "motherfuckers"?

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:17 PM

no <3

Mr. Square the Checker 26-Apr-21 10:17 PM

Is it because it's me?

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:18 PM

no it's because you're a person who still has a stake in the game

Clumsy Assistant 26-Apr-21 10:26 PM

town might not have the numbers but luffy is fucking killing it

Talented Scientist 26-Apr-21 10:55 PM

Luffy explains that Vera must be Pack Tanner, disguised as Witch, fake-claiming Macho.

this sentence

this game is amazing

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 03:03 AM

caught up to all the ccs now

this game man

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:51 AM

:(

I just read

No one made Leila target me

:((

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 11:51 AM

hahahahaha what

LoG forgot to share the info

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 12:08 PM

#🐼_🏹

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 01:30 PM

@Art Reviewer we trusted too many evils

~Steilsson~ 27-Apr-21 02:16 PM

hello scums

Dennis 27-Apr-21 02:17 PM

Hi

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 02:19 PM

Dadnis

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 04:58 PM

Oh well i tried

At least i successfully tricked them into attacking me instead of void (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 05:19 PM

Lol

For shepherd

If asked

I'd say what did TS decide was balanced after testing

Also

It ties right

Mayor vote isn't stolen

8 is 4 v 4

Oh yeah no

It'll be 5 v 3

Tbh

I prefer stealing one per day

Since

Otherwise

You can take half the town's votes and lynch someone with ease

If it's the last TK or last Wolf

And you still have enough to win

It's gg

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 06:00 PM

Theres like 6 town trusted chats

Insane

All with different combinations of people

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 06:01 PM

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 06:02 PM

This game has been amazing to watch

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 06:06 PM

I agree with one player per day on shepherd

also

I swear we said it don't take mayor votes right?

or does no one else know that

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 06:20 PM

log realises if kruthers is herded

they can attack voi

and become unherded

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 06:24 PM

Log played so well, if we lose to him i wouldn't mind one bit (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker I swear we said it don't take mayor votes right?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 06:31 PM

it doesn't clarify that

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 06:31 PM

Yeah but mayor votes are tied to the role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 06:41 PM

yes, but Mayor role also doesnt clarify that it overwrites everything else

Shepherd & Mayor should probably be clarified but I interpret the roles as they are written

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 06:42 PM

Its a case of rules as written vs rules as intended

In my experience, Usually its fair to go with as written and then change it after the game (edited)

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 06:43 PM

yes that's what I do

I've written down all the issues I found so far in the pinned message

though in this case I do think it being able to be done several times makes more sense

also imo Shepherd should work exactly as Grandma for the stealing part

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 07:14 PM

How does grandma steal?

An Eye in a Speech Bubble 27-Apr-21 07:31 PM

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 08:04 PM

Grandma | Townsfolk Power Basics Each night, the Grandma can choose up to two players. The next day, these selected players can’t vote. That day, Grandma will get the same amount of votes as people they selected. Details Making players unable to vote is an immediate ability. If they still vote, their vote simply isn’t counted towards the final result. The Grandma's vote still looks like a normal vote, but can also count as 0 or 2, depending on how many players the Grandma chose. The 2 chosen players will additionally be added to a private channel, where the Grandma can anonymously talk to them. If the Grandma selects a player with several votes (e.g. Mayor or Grandma), they only lose 1 of their votes, but keep the others. The Grandma also only gains 1 vote, like normally. Players with negative votes can't have their negative votes stolen (and the Grandma is informed), but are still added to the channel. The Mayors extra vote cannot be stolen. The Grandma my select themself.

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 08:43 PM

@Archer the Auditor if you read this later: I really don't think the Shepherd thing made a difference. Also, Bobloy who had voted with you already always meant to switch.

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 10:03 PM

Ts u forgot log cancelled the electuon

Pretty sure

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:03 PM

this all happened because of the clairvoyant fox interpretation actually

i would have never trusted void if clairvoyant gave the whole result

kruthers would have been trusted imediately if clairvoyant had the whole result

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:04 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaa I hate Mini Wolves

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:04 PM

this was the worst thing that could have happened

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:04 PM

dammit

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:04 PM

why?

what?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:04 PM

I forgot about Royal Wolf

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:05 PM

that's uh

really bad actually

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:05 PM

yes

aaaaaaa curse Mini Wolves

I completely forgot that cancelling an election is possible

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:06 PM

redo the game

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:06 PM

I don't think it's worth it at this point

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:06 PM

it sure is

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 10:06 PM

At that point just start the main game instead lol

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:07 PM

we can immediate clarify the shepherd and clairvoyant cases :)

yeah

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:07 PM

I think people would probably prefer to finish this one?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:07 PM

we should proably be more careful with limited roles in the future

idk, this went quite badly in my opinion

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:07 PM

These things are hard to notice without testing them

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:07 PM

yup

but putting them all in a game is

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 10:08 PM

This went horrible for everyone, in a fun way

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:08 PM

I think it was fine

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 10:08 PM

Well played vera

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:08 PM

I can ask LoG if he wants me to cancel the game ig?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

i got mad at shepherd, but i shouldve gotten mad at the horrible no-completely-thought-through CF solution (rn, in a closed list, it is literally the same as DF, which isn't good at all, it is bad for both wolves and DF/CF and puts a mayor nerf on the roles)

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

i will admit, i was confused when i saw that too

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

that's why i trusted void so much

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

I asked in GM if I should clarify that

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

riding hood and the "disguised fox" role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:09 PM

the answer was no

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

i would have never trusted void otherwise (edited)

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

i didn't think we should change a role midgame

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

no, it was bad of me to suggest that

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

but i do think now we've seen it we should def change back

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

i was just angry that i had both the shepherd role and the CF against me at that time

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

I think CF and DF should just be: Clairvoyant Fox: Role Disguised Fox: Role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:10 PM

shepherd with the multiple player vote steal and CF with the horrible result

no, definitely not (edited)

it nerfs the role so much

Art Reviewer 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

But cf doesnt work if u dont know the target

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

CF just does not work with just a role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

it should be nerfed that much

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

it should not only give a role

that doesn't set it apart from disguised fox, and it is incredibly confusing

Archer the Auditor that doesn't set it apart from disguised fox, and it is incredibly confusing

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

that's entirely different

Talented Scientist I think CF and DF should just be: Clairvoyant Fox: Role Disguised Fox: Role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:11 PM

see that

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:12 PM

i can read, yes

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:12 PM

that's what I was gonna do

it's more balanced than the old Clairvoyant Fox: @ is Role

Talented Scientist it's more balanced than the old Clairvoyant Fox: @ is Role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

this works way better

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

it doesn't

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

expecially because ferocious fox also doesn't just list role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

why would CF ever join the pack?

Archer the Auditor expecially because ferocious fox also doesn't just list role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

FF is a draft bc I was gonna change it based on how CF works

and I didn't like how CF worked

so FF remains a draft

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

this is hopeless

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:13 PM

The new cf is designed to make it join the pack at some point

1

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

make it so cf can't check itself

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

though it should be clarified what fox info the wolves get

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

that was already a thing

idk why it got lost

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

yeah

in a partial list, don't just send a role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

oh actually it got lost bc rn its irrelevant

so its fine

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:14 PM

what got lost?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:15 PM

the CF cant check itself part

but it's actually fine now

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:15 PM

CF shouldn't just list a role because it sends the exact same thing as DF would, and what if there are both a CF and DF ingame?

that's a nerf for wolves

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:15 PM

why are we talking about this?

does anyone disagree with that?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:15 PM

the CF checks someone, and the same checkshould be sent in CF

what?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

I don't understand what you're talking about

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

CF

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

it seems to be the fact that you can't tell if it's CF or DF

but idk why you're talking about that

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

that's definitely a big point

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

Yeah the message was confusing

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

that's a pointless point to make when everyone agrees with it

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

Why are we arguing

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

what

wait what

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

we agree on all the things

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:16 PM

then why arent we changing it?

what

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

we are?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

what???

but?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

it's issue 1)

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

you just said we shouldnt change it?

wjat

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

that's different

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

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Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

I don't want to change the CF nerf

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

i am so stressed?

what

what the fuck do you mean?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

but that whole thing is an oversight (edited)

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

why were we arguing about it?

and then not?

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

The CF not saying who was checked stays

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

misunderstanding?

idk

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:17 PM

and then we're changing it and then we're not?

what

ia mso confused rn

are you all fucking with me?

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

The way the message was sent this game was confusing and was an oversight

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

what is going on?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

I intended the feedback for foxes to be: "The Disguised Fox disguised themself as Role" and "The Clairvoyant Fox found a Role"

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

I'm not sure what you're talking about so I can't explain anything

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

that is what im saying it should be

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

yeah me too

and it was meant like that

when I wrote it

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:18 PM

also shepherd takes one person's vote max a day as it says

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

oh

OH

OH I GET IT

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

That's how it's intended

Mr. Square the Checker also shepherd takes one person's vote max a day as it says

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

that whole thing is another huge issue

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

you wrote it like the pack would just recieve a Role

so i thought you wouldn't specify if it's CF or DF

and that's what i was arguing against

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

"a player" has different meanings in the role book depending on the role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

because i thought you'd just send a role out like you did this game

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

I intended it like that which is why it's written like that tho

Talented Scientist I intended the feedback for foxes to be: "The Disguised Fox disguised themself as Role" and "The Clairvoyant Fox found a Role"

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

this i can agree with

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

in assassin it means "one player, once" and in devil it means "one player, several times"

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:19 PM

just needs the word single

Archer the Auditor this i can agree with

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

This was my intent with the role change

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

a single player

Talented Scientist I think CF and DF should just be: Clairvoyant Fox: Role Disguised Fox: Role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

this i thought you meant the pack would only get Role like it was this game, no clarification on which role

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

that way the CF can gain very valueable info and has to decide when he wants to give it to the pack

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

and i thought you were arguing that it should stay like it was this game

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

I get why you were confused now

sorry

Talented Scientist in assassin it means "one player, once" and in devil it means "one player, several times"

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

wait can assassin not target the same player twice in a row?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

they can

wait look

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 10:20 PM

Assassin | Townsfolk Killing Basics After night 1, the Assassin may choose a player to attack during the night. Details The Assassin may only attack a total of 3 players throughout a game. The Assassin’s attack is an end-night ability.

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

"the Assassin may choose a player to attack during the night."

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

Cult Leader | Townsfolk Killing Basics The Cult Leader acts as a cult member, except that if the Cult Leader dies the cult loses its ability to attack at night. Details The Cult Leader is part of the cult. After Night 1, the cult can attack one player each night. When the Cult Leader dies, the cult is disbanded and can no longer attack at night. If the Cult Leader loses their role, the cult continues to exist, until the original Cult Leader dies. Any member of the cult, who no longer is a Cult Member or cult leader, can still vote on who to kill. The cult decides their victims by voting on whom they suspect most. The cult’s attack is an end-night ability.

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

"a player" - assassing

"After Night 1, the cult can attack one player each night."

"one player" - CL

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

oh

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

Devil | Solo Killing - Hell Team Basics Each day, the Devil may choose a player to send the devil’s wager to. The target may choose to either learn another player’s role, or attack another player, but sell their soul in the process. The Devil has a variety of uses for souls. When everyone is dead or soulless the Devil wins. Details The Devil can't target soulless players. The wager is sent at the end of the day. The Devil can anonymously communicate with the target & will be notified of the result of the wager - they will learn who was attacked/which person was inspected & what role the target saw. If the player chooses to see another player’s role (immediate), it will be affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the player’s perspective, not the Devil’s. If the player chooses to attack another player (soul sold: immediately; kill executed: end-night), then they will become soulless. The attacker is the Devil. If the player chooses to attack the Devil the attack will not be executed, but they will not be informed of this. However, they still sell their soul to the Devil. The Devil can use a soul to protect someone else from all attacks for the next night (day; immediate) or kill a player of their liking (day/night; immediate). If the Devil is attacked at night and they have spare souls, they will be protected and a soul will be used up automatically. The Devil starts the game off with a single soul that they can use whenever. At the start of the game, the Devil may choose a role as a weak disguise. If the Devil doesn’t choose a role, they will show up as a citizen. Members of the Hell team cannot change role or betray the team in any way.

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

"kill a player of their liking " - devil

"a player" - assassin "one player" - CL "a player" - devil

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

I guess it depends on who wrote it and their writing style

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

so we probably need to change it to "one player" when only 1 can be targeter or "one or more players" if multiple can be targeted

Talented Scientist "a player" - assassin "one player" - CL "a player" - devil

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:21 PM

the thing is assassin and devil work different from each other but use the same phrasing

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

yeah

Archer the Auditor so we probably need to change it to "one player" when only 1 can be targeter or "one or more players" if multiple can be targeted

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

yeah, probably

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

that'd be the most clear

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

did the same person make both?

assassin and devil

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

CL, Assassin and Devil are old

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

as in write them

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:22 PM

I probably have the highest amount of contribution to Devil

because I did several rewrites on it

idk if Assassin and CL were changed much since the initial rewrite

Vyryn did the most on the initial WWR rewrite

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:23 PM

i really want ice king and ice queen to work but they're a mess rn

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:23 PM

I think Shepherd might have more potential?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:23 PM

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:23 PM

I think ice king can target too many people a night, so doesn't work in opens

and it loses badly in closed

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

shepherd is definitely my least favorite solo

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

why?

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

worse than vamps?

no wait

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

it is just a mashup of flute player and ice king

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

because you#re annoyed rn or because of reasons or because it isnt finished

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

vera likes vamps

Mr. Square the Checker worse than vamps?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

vamp is my favorite

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

worse than fp?

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

i feel like shepherd is missing something that makes it truly unique

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:24 PM

well yeah it's a mashup of FP and IK but it wouldn't be if we redo IK entirely

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

rn the votestealing is very iceking like and the herding is straight-up fp

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

it also has some devilness

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

The way vote steal works on shepherd is slightly better than IK

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

i really like that to protect/steal votes it can use their herded

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

since it's not permenant

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

so maybe more herded but more concequences on herded

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:25 PM

it's already fairly strong

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:26 PM

yes

that's also kinda eh

some solos are quite strong and some are actually weak

fp is a weak solo

devil is a strong solo

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:26 PM

fp is weak early game

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:26 PM

FP isn't really that weak

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:26 PM

strong late game

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

so basically FP has an easy time working towards winning, but it dies easily

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

Devil usually has a harder time working towards victory, but doesn't die as easily

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

and late game it has a higher chance of dying

i havent seen a single fp win

ive seen devil wins

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

Devil is stronger

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

yup

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

Devil is like the strongest role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

in terms of solo, devil is definitely one of the strongest

Archer the Auditor i havent seen a single fp win

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:27 PM

#gamelog-v2g1

luffy would kill you if you forgot it

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:28 PM

i dont count offseason or vip

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:28 PM

oh

valid

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:28 PM

VIP games count as proper games

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:28 PM

well then 1 fp win

in a small game

do you think fp could win a 20+ game like it did in vip?

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:29 PM

and the few mini's it won but really those don't count at all

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:29 PM

mini dont count at all

Archer the Auditor do you think fp could win a 20+ game like it did in vip?

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:29 PM

fp came close last game on main

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:29 PM

ive had fp wins in mini but mini is completely different

came close, didnt win

wins mostly go to town or wolves

Archer the Auditor do you think fp could win a 20+ game like it did in vip?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:29 PM

FP is meant for smaller games than Devil

but they are meant for like 15p games

I mean we do have the 10% rule

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:30 PM

Pyro team is pretty strong if it doesn't start dying off

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:30 PM

pyro is good

pyro is definitely my #2 favorite

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:30 PM

solos in general work better in smaller games

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:30 PM

pyro is the one solo that just feels completely balanced

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:31 PM

pyro is probs my favourite

then fp

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:31 PM

I disagree

it seems less balanced than others

solo pyro barely ever works

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:31 PM

hm

solo pyro is bad

but pyro team is good

solo pyro actually works i think, in smaller games

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:31 PM

I prefer Pyros as an alternative main scum

instead of solo

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:32 PM

low pyros tend to be weak if focused High pyros are sometimes just too strong

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:32 PM

pyros are definitely among the strongest when theyre in a team

a team of 2 or 3 pyros has a high chance of winning

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:32 PM

Os5b proved how pyros can be really strong if they work well as a team

Thinking on how solos win usually it's an applied condition Except IK and WWW, WWW is everyone dead, which works fine Except IK really wins when it controls half the votes if all killings are dead So maybe IK shouldn't be votes because then it is harder to win as

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:35 PM

could try to think of a new obstruction that IK can use

actually that doesnt do much

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

Is one rule of werewolves no roleblocks?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

too few roles care about obstructions

Mr. Square the Checker Is one rule of werewolves no roleblocks?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

yes (edited)

what's our rules

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

the thing with ice king is that the votes become too obvious too fast

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

- no role block - no chat block - avoid role changes past N1 - ??

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:36 PM

nmeasured kills

no unmeasured*

other than wolves

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:37 PM

clear actions, probably

at least that's what i prefer

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:37 PM

what do you mean?

Talented Scientist - no role block - no chat block - avoid role changes past N1 - ??

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:37 PM

3) Is why I hate vamps

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:37 PM

same

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:37 PM

raven made a role on mini wolves called crow, it would get a riddle with info about the game

that made no sense to me

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

oh that

I mean we don't really have set rules

I have my own 4 things ig

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

More principles

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

so if i ever see something like that'd i'll try to not accept it

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

The Ts principles

of making a fun to play role

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

oh and the unwritten rule that naming things specifically after mafia roles gets backlash from me

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/187

Create Teenage Wolf by bobloy · Pull Request #187 · McTsts/Werewolv...

Basic wolf with a downside, requiring the wolf to use the word "wolf" at least once each day in the town square.

this is kinda like that

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

i hate that

Archer the Auditor that made no sense to me

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:38 PM

was def inspired by botc roles

botc is a VERY weird game

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

yeah uh

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

host (storyteller) is intentionally biased

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

i don't play anything besides ww

i hate mafia

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

you would not like botc

at all

probably hate it more than mafia

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

Jay remember when I made wiml rage quit a game of it

Clumsy Assistant 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

yes lmao

rip wiml

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:39 PM

I cant even say I hate mafia because I dont think I've ever played anything other than this WW

well

my shitty MC WW

but it was based on this WW so it doesnt even count

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:40 PM

Jay did a game of ww in my server

solid

I won because people were ia

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:40 PM

i played some mafia and i hated every single game

1

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:40 PM

and I convinced huntress I was AT

What if Ice king can freeze X person a night then if it want's redirect one frozen person a night

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:43 PM

I think we should try to not add much more redirection

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:43 PM

Oh we have 2

yeah

that should be enough

don't want to cramp fpa's style

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:44 PM

redirects work better if they're very rare and I'm not a huge fan of redirecting

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:44 PM

I think the guessing with Ice royals is too strong in full lists and too weak in closed lists

a role shouldn't be vastly different in strength in different style setups

one reason I sort of dislike CS and to a lesser extent PW

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

redirection is so cofnusing

bob claimed something with coward in my cc and i still have no clue what the hell was going on

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

I wrote some info stuff for it in a FPA rq

Archer the Auditor bob claimed something with coward in my cc and i still have no clue what the hell was going on

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

CF checked Coward but was redirected onto CF

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

like even after i got what the roles and people were, i still had no idea what the hell was going on

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

so CF saw CF

and though Coward was CF

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:46 PM

what about using abilities rather than redirecting, like ik can copy a frozen person's abilities

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

that's just iq isnt it

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

yeah thats iq

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

I dont really remember

Werewolves Bot C BOT 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

Ice Queen | Solo Power - Ice Royals Team Basics Each night, the Ice Queen can submit the role of one player, and if that guess is correct, the Ice Queen is able to use the guessed player’s ability on the next day. Details Each night, the Ice Queen guesses the role of one player. If the guess is correct and the player has an ability, the Ice Queen is able to use this ability during the next day. If the guessed player has a night ability, then an end-night ability become end-day ability for the Ice Queen, and immediate night ability become an immediate day ability. Day ability stay the same, and passive or permanent abilities can also be used by the Ice Queen. At the end of the day, the ability is removed. After correctly guessing a player, the same player can’t be guessed again. For a list of abilities the Ice Queen can use, look at the edge case sheet. If the Ice Queen can’t use the ability of the guessed player, the guess is simply confirmed and nothing else happens. The Ice Queen is an ice royal, knows the other ice royals and works together with them. The ice royals win when all players, except the ice royals, are frozen or dead.

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

oh IQ has some weird stuff

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

shouldn't the secondary have similar abilities to the primary?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:47 PM

I think we've already seen that using arbitrary abilities is usually a bad idea

Mr. Square the Checker shouldn't the secondary have similar abilities to the primary?

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:48 PM

idk

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:48 PM

most do

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 10:48 PM

I mean I don't consider IR's to be usable

Mr. Square the Checker 27-Apr-21 10:48 PM

unless it's a solo misc

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 11:03 PM

@Host wolfpack doesn't have poll

Talented Scientist 27-Apr-21 11:04 PM

thanks

Archer the Auditor 27-Apr-21 11:04 PM

these wolves don't even notice they have no poll without me /j

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 08:50 AM

I wish theyd do the math. If wolves attack void and then lynch him. Its 2v2 the next day so town loses

Maybe void can clue them in to that

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 09:20 AM

if void is attacked

he can say he's lost all his herd

so is less of a threeat

lynch kruthers

and if log tells him wolves will kill him if he herds a wolf

he knows log is a wolf

if he then herds log

steals his vote to kill him

as long as he keeps herding mayor and stealing their vote

he can't lose

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 09:57 AM

No

Tonight: wolf attack void Tomorrow: lynch kruther Next night: kill void Next day: lynch top or bob ->wolf win

Sharl Eclair 28-Apr-21 10:05 AM

https://discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/835909167629598810/836647053354467329 bruh lol

Werewolves Bot C BOT 28-Apr-21 10:05 AM

Innkeeper | Townsfolk Power Basics Each night, the Innkeeper may invite a guest to the inn. Details Each night, the Innkeeper may add a player to the inn. The Innkeeper can anonymously talk to all the guests of the inn. Adding a guest is immediate effect. During each day, the Innkeeper may choose to clear the inn. Clearing the inn removes all guests and messages and is an end effect. If the Innkeeper dies the inn is cleared.

Sharl Eclair 28-Apr-21 10:09 AM

ngl, pack tanner s kinda lame

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:09 AM

you can kill and disguise

I'd say it's maybe slightly stronger than sneaking wolf

reason being

it counters ft

but not anything only affected by strong disguises

Werewolves Bot C BOT 28-Apr-21 10:10 AM

Fortune Teller | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the Fortune Teller may check one player’s role. Details Each night, the Fortune Teller can inspect a player. The Fortune Teller will be told what their role is. Inspecting a player is an immediate ability. The Fortune Teller gains more information, but is affected by weak disguises and obstructions.

Aura Teller | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the Aura Teller may check a target to determine if they are “a threat” or “not a threat”. Details The Aura Teller cannot see a player’s role, but they can check whether or not they are a threat. Lycans, and roles classified as killing roles show up as a threat. The Aura Teller’s inspection is an immediate ability. The Aura Teller is only affected by strong disguises. Some roles or players may be able to kill, but will not show up as threats as they are neither lycans nor a role classified as a killing role.

Crowd Seeker | Townsfolk Investigative Basics The Crowd Seeker may investigate up to 3 players each night by guessing their roles. Each correct guess is confirmed. Details The Crowd Seeker can select up to three different players each night, and guess for each of them what their role could be. All guesses have to be made at the same time, and all correct ones will be confirmed. The Crowd Seeker is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. The Crowd Seeker’s seeking is an immediate ability.

Oracle | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Every night, the Oracle can select two players and see if they have the same alignment as each other. Details Each night, the Oracle can inspect two players. The Oracle will be told whether their roles have the same alignment or not. This result is not affected by disguises. The Oracle can select itself as one of the two players, but can only select each player once throughout the game. Inspecting players is an immediate ability. Unaligned roles have the same alignment as each other, solo roles on opposing teams do not.

Townsfolk Investigative Aura Teller Coroner Crowd Seeker Fortune Teller Huntsman Oracle Receptionist

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:37 AM

Lol if Log Kills bob it outs him

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:49 AM

#bringharpback

lol

@Dennis can you check if harp is banned?

or are you not GM here

Dennis 28-Apr-21 10:51 AM

im not gamemaster here

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:51 AM

awww

:(

Dennis 28-Apr-21 10:51 AM

but i dont remember anything about bans

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:51 AM

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 11:15 AM

nobody gets banned

she got kicked because she was noted down as ia once

and vip is supposed to be active and more strategic

we did the same for psycho and wyatt

and a bunch of others

Sharl Eclair 28-Apr-21 11:19 AM

F

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 11:38 AM

@Talented Scientist are we going to ff to allow main to start

once lynch happens I mean

Talented Scientist 28-Apr-21 11:39 AM

uh maybe

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 01:54 PM

wait

the mayor poll

@Talented Scientist it's a sign

poll #mww

Talented Scientist 28-Apr-21 04:35 PM

Hmmmm

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 06:08 PM

if kruthers is lynched

I think LoG will be outed

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 06:09 PM

Probably not

I think he has this in the bag, but is giving himself away too much today

If he let kruthers die he could have easily won tomorrow

Talented Scientist 28-Apr-21 06:10 PM

Yeah I don't see why it'd give log away

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 06:10 PM

Turtle might since there would be no reason for log to not lynch outed wolf if he's town

Talented Scientist 28-Apr-21 06:10 PM

Log explained it

It's just bad reason

But log says kruthers is wolf

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 06:10 PM

Its sus but the other 2 town are more sus

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 06:10 PM

If turtle dies it confirms top

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 06:11 PM

He wont

Void dies (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 06:11 PM

leaving turtle mayor

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 06:11 PM

Yeah that wont mean much

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 06:14 PM

https://discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/836196110405468181/836998666660347924

hmmm

uh oh

why is 2 1 1 a stalemate

solo want's to get rid of wolves as much as town

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 06:22 PM

this game is so boring if scs and ccs are muted

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 08:12 PM

I wish we could fast forward

Clumsy Assistant 28-Apr-21 10:03 PM

why has no-one questioned vera's endorsement of log yet?

is he really that trusted?

Panda the Assessor 28-Apr-21 10:05 PM

well defiantly not my best plays that game, but not my worst

Clumsy Assistant 28-Apr-21 10:05 PM

mhm

Panda the Assessor 28-Apr-21 10:07 PM

anyway S6G4 is ready to go when this ends

Talented Scientist 28-Apr-21 10:07 PM

LoG just pretends he's trusted and nobody has questioned it so far

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:09 PM

@Panda the Assessor wanna fill the last gap on minis?

Panda the Assessor 28-Apr-21 10:09 PM

nah heading off now i got work tomorrow

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 10:09 PM

Ok

gn Ig

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 10:14 PM

because citizen claim is just so absurd and bob was acting so sus yesterday

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 11:16 PM

https://discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/835909160747008070/837074678979625010 @Clumsy Assistant I know you may not think this, but you may have made up a new word

Clumsy Assistant 28-Apr-21 11:17 PM

technically vera is the wordsmith here

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 11:19 PM

I shaved today and it feels weird, having a stubbly beard again

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 11:24 PM

hell yeah

i am WORD KING

Clumsy Assistant 28-Apr-21 11:24 PM

WORD KING

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 11:24 PM

KING OF THE WORDS

Clumsy Assistant 28-Apr-21 11:24 PM

and raccoons

Art Reviewer 28-Apr-21 11:37 PM

oh u had a beard

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 11:38 PM

beard

yes

sort of

it was like shaggy's from scooby doo almost

hence why I shaved it

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 11:43 PM

shaggy from scooby doo is a twink

Mr. Square the Checker 28-Apr-21 11:44 PM

Hmmmmm

isn't shaggy straight?

also he has a fucking beard

Archer the Auditor 28-Apr-21 11:45 PM

shush

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 12:10 AM

twink doesnt mean gay

or maybe it does actually idk

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:12 AM

a twink is a slim and youthful queer man/masc

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:17 AM

shaggy is not youthful or queer imo

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:18 AM

shaggy is CLEARLY gay

and im pretty sure hes under 25

so he counts

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:19 AM

Yes shaggy who in one of the movies wants to fuck velma pretty much

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:19 AM

actually velma is canonically a lesbian

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

They date at points

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

they were just together to protect each other from homophobia

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

maybe they're both bi

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

velma being a lesbian is canon

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

since when

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:20 AM

im not kidding on that one

1. shown to have a wlw relationship in several episodes 2. creator confirmed it

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:21 AM

I haven't kept up to date on scooby doo cannon

I wonder if shaggy is into dogs /j

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:22 AM

ill kill you

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:23 AM

you gonna drive all the way up here?

and break covid regulation?

Clumsy Assistant 29-Apr-21 12:23 AM

if the tories can so can i

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:24 AM

yeah but the tories are assholes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 11:43 AM

should we make a FF poll today?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 11:46 AM

yes

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:13 PM

@Diamond Overseer it was CF

Also LoG is wolf

~Steilsson~ 29-Apr-21 12:17 PM

I mean velma can be bisexual

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:22 PM

Come on turtle

Wise up

Pls

Realise it's LoG

A hammer is a vote on someone which results in the majority needed to eliminate them. Once the hammer vote is placed, the game moves into Twilight until the mod posts the death scene. The player who has been hammered is considered beyond salvation as of the moment the hammering vote has been placed; barring the influence of a role like a Governor nothing will stop them from getting eliminated. Many mods allow hammered players to post in Twilight but some do not.

@Talented Scientist ^

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 12:24 PM

uh ok

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:24 PM

I have a definition in a trigger on carl

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:35 PM

what

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:37 PM

can coward deflect ww attack on log?

if so then its defo not over

Mr. Square the Checker Also LoG is wolf

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 12:37 PM

yeah I got that

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:38 PM

lol

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 12:38 PM

Alive Players | Total: 4

- Mr. Turtle (@Turtle Controller)

- Lord of Galaxy (@Examiner of Wolves)

- Bobloy (@Gambling Evaluator)

- Topkinsme (@A Happy Investigator) (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker @Diamond Overseer it was CF

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 12:38 PM

so what even happened

idek what happened

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:38 PM

coward deflected cf check on cf

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:38 PM

yeah

Sentient Rock can coward deflect ww attack on log?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:39 PM

no, coward cant reflect attacks

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:39 PM

bruh

but aight

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:39 PM

i has alreasy deflected anyways

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 12:39 PM

@Archer the Auditor what was the whole thing with df

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:39 PM

so

wolfpack got a role at night

riding hood

the thing was

it was a cf checking you as riding hood

but because i thought "if it were cf, it wouldve shown the whole check" i thought it was a df disguise

i think that was more a host mistake than my mistake but whatever

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 12:41 PM

wait whaat

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:41 PM

so i trusted you as df

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 12:41 PM

df disguises are announced tho

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:42 PM

yes

and all that was announced was "riding hood"

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:43 PM

wouldnt it have said disguised (edited)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:43 PM

so i thought "its just a role, so it cant be cf (cf wouldve shown a check like voidmist is riding hood) so it had to be df"

i know that most of you would have done the same in my situation

i dont get why people dont understand it

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:44 PM

was a name even mentioned

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:44 PM

no

thats why i thought it had to be df

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:45 PM

yeah then ts borked with the bot

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:45 PM

because in mini wolves we had cf and it showed up as "<name> is <role>"

so i was certain it could not be cf

so it had to be df and thats why i trusted void

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:46 PM

even if it was df it was still a fail

cause a name should still be given

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:46 PM

if i knew it was cs i would have never trusted void

but no info was given besides a role

and only df would have only given a role in this situation

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:47 PM

yeah

aight

hmm

picking riding hood as a disguise isnt even a bad idea

unless al uas are revealed immediatly

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:48 PM

thing is

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:48 PM

cause wolves wont attack riding hood's straight away

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:48 PM

i wouldve attacked void n1 if it werent for the fox result in pack

riding hood wouldnt claim riding hood if they want to get killed by pack

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:50 PM

well at least you know now it was a host that failed at the start

yeah both cf checks that were announced were a fail because ts decided to just mess with a bot

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:52 PM

im also disappointed they didnt take any advice from ethan on shepherd questions

he thought of the role

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

pride comes at a high price

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

Sentient Rock yeah then ts borked with the bot

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

nope it was done correctly

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

uhm names were missing

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

i dont think the bot did anything wrong

Sentient Rock uhm names were missing

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 12:53 PM

CF doesnt give names

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 12:54 PM

then thats useless af

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:54 PM

it shouldve been clear that it was a cf check

1

other than that the role doesnt mention names

it just says "the result"

Archer the Auditor it shouldve been clear that it was a cf check

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 12:54 PM

we'll definitely correct that after the game

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 12:54 PM

if only i had known it was a cf check

oh well

we'll probably somehow win anyways

but it wouldve gone differently

Talented Scientist CF doesnt give names

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 12:56 PM

it did in the main game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 12:56 PM

yes and then it was changed

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 12:56 PM

Ts was testing the updated version

Archer the Auditor thats why i thought it had to be df

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 01:56 PM

ohh. I understand. yeah thats stupid

I think everyone played badly

Im disappointed in town

gg to LoG

did LoG play the best?

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:02 PM

i just am looking forward to the main game to start

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:02 PM

me too

I feel bad for Vera omg

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:03 PM

like 34 players we spent so much time trying to figure out how to balance it

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:03 PM

you can start today probably

just need to wait for everyone to FF

Sharl Eclair 29-Apr-21 02:04 PM

there's defo gonna be a cult

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:05 PM

¯\(ツ)\/¯

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:05 PM

is it closed?

the rolelist

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:05 PM

nah it will be public

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:05 PM

ok

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:06 PM

do you have d0 stuff?

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:06 PM

thats what im checking now

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:07 PM

I feel terrible for giving so much hate during the game. my bad. Now I'm disliking town. I feel like top and turtle did nothing. Bobloy didnt attempt to get clarity at the situation and so LoG just got away with it

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:07 PM

bobloy got me

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:07 PM

bobloy is technically confirmed

but they somehow forgot

Panda the Assessor bobloy got me

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:07 PM

I already knew at the same time. Vera told me its you

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:07 PM

not that it matters since even then they'd just lynch top

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:08 PM

Why did you put citizen Ts you made it hard enough for town lol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:08 PM

it wasn't particularly hard for town

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:08 PM

ok yeah no

true

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:08 PM

you might have forgotten about the whole angel huntress innkeeper thing

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:09 PM

yeah sorry

vera masterminded that

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 02:09 PM

eventhough you revealed her d1

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:09 PM

lol

right ok

town played miserably

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:10 PM

the citizen is also because wolves are at 27% and town at 54%

and the other town roles already had enough power

Talented Scientist Void realized that he does not actually want to be killed

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:14 PM

this was a slip in character lmao

Talented Scientist the citizen is also because wolves are at 27% and town at 54%

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 02:14 PM

no no, I think the list is balanced now. But a citizen claim really threw town off

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:18 PM

considering Citizen is the "default" role that's their fault

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 02:20 PM

oh to answer your question ts there is one small day action

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 02:50 PM

@Talented Scientist all of them voted to ff

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:51 PM

alright

Werewolves win, right?

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 02:55 PM

Yeah

Log is mayor and wolf

Unless coward can do his ability more than once its 100% a town win

*werewolves win

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 02:58 PM

it doesnt

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 02:59 PM

Yeah then wws win

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:01 PM

@Archer the Auditor log carried us to the win whoo

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:01 PM

oh

Gg

Turtle Controller 29-Apr-21 03:01 PM

Well played, LoG. (edited)

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

Anyway main will start tomorrow midday ish (edited)

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

VIP?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

main

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

vip 2 electric boogaloo

Turtle Controller 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

I also still don't understand how Coward works.

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:02 PM

it reflects a wolf power but not a wolf attack

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:03 PM

Onto a non pack member

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:03 PM

i don't quite understand why it reflects wolf power but now attack IMO it'd be nicer if it reflected wolf attack but not power

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:03 PM

reflecting an attack isn't very useful

the idea is that Coward is a weak role that can pretend to be a stronger one

e.g. the wolves find somebody to be FT but they're really Coward

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

oh

Indeed

That makes the name very misleading

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

sorry what?

Examiner of Wolves i don't quite understand why it reflects wolf power but now attack IMO it'd be nicer if it reflected wolf attack but not power

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

It's like a runner that can kill non pack/solo/town/UA then

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

we can rename it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

how the heck is this role "coward"

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

What happened?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

please rename this

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

LoG kills a town during the night

reaching parity next day

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

LoG is?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

Royal Wolf

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:04 PM

Royal wolf

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

yeah I count 3 alive after tonight

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

coward is more of something that should, uh, escape from wolves?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

Mayor

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

Its 2 v 2 on polls

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

yep

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

Galaxy was the wolf, oh

Gambling Evaluator LoG is?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

me

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

good lord

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

lol

gg

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

@Art Reviewer you mfer

Examiner of Wolves coward is more of something that should, uh, escape from wolves?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

yeah, actually funnily enough I think on my generator "Coward" is triple runner

or something like that

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

@Examiner of Wolves you deserve the win

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

That was nonsense

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

this role was suggested by somebody else I just slightly altered it

Talented Scientist yeah, actually funnily enough I think on my generator "Coward" is triple runner

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

yea lol makes more sense

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:05 PM

Ye log played well

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

poor luffy got played twice

(edited)

first he trusted vera

and then me

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

no he trusted me in between too

thrice

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

lolol

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

Once again, I lost when a town roped me into a trusted chat with wolves

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

lmaooo

Sentient Rock 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

Trusting vera after void exposed her is just an oof

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

so everyone he trusted was non-town

An Eye in a Speech Bubble 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

Ah geegee

Sharl Eclair 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

why did Topk die twice at the end?

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

What was top's role?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

cit

Turtle Controller 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

Citizen.

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

top was just citizen

Sharl Eclair why did Topk die twice at the end?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

no idea

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

literally citizen

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:06 PM

Because top is special

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

oh that sucks lol

Poor top

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

town was already too strong so I made the last one a citizen

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

Well, invest roles were basically useless

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

town was strong

you guys failed

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

but unfortunately for them leila had to choose the innkeeper

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

Town killed themselves

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

The only thing that doesn't make sense is why did Leila target me?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

no idea

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

Angel and huntress just murdered eachother day 2

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

the angel=>huntress=>innkeeper thing was pretty bad for town

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:07 PM

It was basically over after that

Mr. Square the Checker The only thing that doesn't make sense is why did Leila target me?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

manipulated by Vera

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

anyone have a good name for Coward?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

even after that they still had some chance

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

Mirror

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

except luffy got fooled into trusting me

after that it was over

Diamond Overseer manipulated by Vera

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

I checked and she didn't

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:08 PM

We had Hider in my college roles, that redirected all abilities

You could call it hider

Coward seems fine, you hide behind someone so what would hit you hits that person isntead

Mr. Square the Checker I checked and she didn't

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

then it was luffy's fault and vera went along with it?

Gambling Evaluator Coward seems fine, you hide behind someone so what would hit you hits that person isntead

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

it would make sense if it reflected attacks too

but it doesn't

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

Impersonator then?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

so many something like "Impersonator"

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

ayyyy

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

LOL

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:09 PM

dinggg

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:10 PM

Wrap it up everyone, we solved it

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:10 PM

lol that was great

thats how you end a disagreement

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

idk I dont like impersonator

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

why

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

also its not really accurate

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

it's more so than coward though

i think all the roles are fine, but coward needs a rename

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

yeah I agree coward isn't good either

but impersonator is very precise and it doesn't do that

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 03:11 PM

Coward | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Coward may select a player to redirect one wolf action to. Details The Coward may target a player. They can update this target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Coward wants. When the Coward is affected by a wolf power, that is not an attack, it will be redirected to the target without the wolves being informed. The Coward cannot redirect a wolf power onto a wolf in the pack, and if the Coward tries to, then the redirection will silently fail. The Coward's redirection power can only be used once per game.

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:12 PM

sabotaging or tanning will also be redirected

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:12 PM

oh right

hngh

i dunno find a new name somehow

‍♂️

Talented Scientist 1) clarify wether CF/DF is revealed as such or if just the role is given - temp solution: just role 2) pack tanner is probably too strong even with just 1 disguise - possible solution: it can only tan players not in the pack 3) specify that herding is immediate 4) RK/RF are able to cancel current not next election 5) can a CF see a DF disguise? (both are end day) 6) Tanner/Pack Tanner disguises should probably already be active during the day(?) 7) Shepherd steals mayor vote? 8) make it more clear that Coward cant redirect attacks 9) can shepherd steal several players votes? 10) "royal" causes confusion 11) some roles like Assassin aren't limited to "one" (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:13 PM

2) pack tanner can be weakened by not allowing one person to be tanned twice in a row (edited)

Talented Scientist 1) clarify wether CF/DF is revealed as such or if just the role is given - temp solution: just role 2) pack tanner is probably too strong even with just 1 disguise - possible solution: it can only tan players not in the pack 3) specify that herding is immediate 4) RK/RF are able to cancel current not next election 5) can a CF see a DF disguise? (both are end day) 6) Tanner/Pack Tanner disguises should probably already be active during the day(?) 7) Shepherd steals mayor vote? 8) make it more clear that Coward cant redirect attacks 9) can shepherd steal several players votes? 10) "royal" causes confusion 11) some roles like Assassin aren't limited to "one" (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:14 PM

6) just make it end day please, makes way more sense - rn you're just forcing the wolves to only confirm at the end of day, there's absolutely no reason for a wolf to tan before night

Talented Scientist 1) clarify wether CF/DF is revealed as such or if just the role is given - temp solution: just role 2) pack tanner is probably too strong even with just 1 disguise - possible solution: it can only tan players not in the pack 3) specify that herding is immediate 4) RK/RF are able to cancel current not next election 5) can a CF see a DF disguise? (both are end day) 6) Tanner/Pack Tanner disguises should probably already be active during the day(?) 7) Shepherd steals mayor vote? 8) make it more clear that Coward cant redirect attacks 9) can shepherd steal several players votes? 10) "royal" causes confusion 11) some roles like Assassin aren't limited to "one" (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:15 PM

7) if it steals mayor vote, IMO it should be able to "steal" negative votes too

Talented Scientist okay we should keep track of issues

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:15 PM

10) royal is fine

Talented Scientist 1) clarify wether CF/DF is revealed as such or if just the role is given - temp solution: just role 2) pack tanner is probably too strong even with just 1 disguise - possible solution: it can only tan players not in the pack 3) specify that herding is immediate 4) RK/RF are able to cancel current not next election 5) can a CF see a DF disguise? (both are end day) 6) Tanner/Pack Tanner disguises should probably already be active during the day(?) 7) Shepherd steals mayor vote? 8) make it more clear that Coward cant redirect attacks 9) can shepherd steal several players votes? 10) "royal" causes confusion 11) some roles like Assassin aren't limited to "one" (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:15 PM

1) mostly would make sense to reveal i think?

Examiner of Wolves 7) if it steals mayor vote, IMO it should be able to "steal" negative votes too

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:16 PM

this would nerf shepherd fairly

Diamond Overseer this would nerf shepherd fairly

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:16 PM

yea

you'd have to be way more careful stealing votes in case there's a trickster

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:16 PM

yep

Examiner of Wolves 2) pack tanner can be weakened by not allowing one person to be tanned twice in a row (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:17 PM

@Talented Scientist check from here pls thanks

Examiner of Wolves 6) just make it end day please, makes way more sense - rn you're just forcing the wolves to only confirm at the end of day, there's absolutely no reason for a wolf to tan before night

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:19 PM

Barber, Devil, CF, Lynch

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:20 PM

the main game role list has now been posted

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:21 PM

negative and mayor votes usually can't be stolen

Talented Scientist Barber, Devil, CF, Lynch

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:21 PM

barber? makes no sense, is a disguise devil? again no sense, only kill in day CF? that's addressed in another point lynch? again, what has role got to do with that

Panda the Assessor the main game role list has now been posted

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:21 PM

Its goood. You sure town isnt a little underpowered?

Examiner of Wolves barber? makes no sense, is a disguise devil? again no sense, only kill in day CF? that's addressed in another point lynch? again, what has role got to do with that

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:21 PM

Tanner can tan and then die.

via Devil Barber or Lynch

an end effect won't go through then

Panda the Assessor the main game role list has now been posted

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:22 PM

i won't comment on that rl, 30 player games are a fucking mess to balance

Talented Scientist Tanner can tan and then die.

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

devil and barber, i think that's fine, it's a nerf which is not a problem lynch itself is end day, so the power goes through as kills happen after other things (edited)

Examiner of Wolves devil and barber, i think that's fine, it's a nerf which is not a problem lynch itself is end day, so the power goes through as kills happen after other things (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

no

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

Who's mjnstag on the ww server. I remember the name but there's no one here by that name

Talented Scientist no

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

?

lynch is not end day?

Diamond Overseer Who's mjnstag on the ww server. I remember the name but there's no one here by that name

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

me

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

ohhh

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

Lynch (including the direct death) Lynch Consequences Election (including the election) Election Consequences End Day Effects End Day Effects Consequences (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:23 PM

ohh

what other end day things even exist?

Diamond Overseer Its goood. You sure town isnt a little underpowered?

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 03:24 PM

no because only 2 can survive an attack and there is only 3 people that can be confirmed on straight away and it will cost them death

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:24 PM

Chef's Poisoned Food (edited)

Devil's Wager

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:24 PM

ah

hmm

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:24 PM

CF

DF

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:24 PM

well that's alright tbh, just a bit more of a nerf?

that combined with preventing PT from tanning same person twice in a row should do the job?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:25 PM

well it also nerfs Tanner

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:25 PM

oh right

tanner is mostly useless anyways

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 03:25 PM

Tanner | Werewolf Power Basics Each day, the Tanner may disguise up to two players as roles of the Tanner’s choosing. Details Each day, the Tanner can weakly disguise two players; the night after, to roles affected by weak disguises, their roles will appear to be what the Tanner has disguised the players as. The Tanner may disguise themselves. Disguising players is an immediate effect. If the tanner disguises a player who is part of the wolfpack, the tanner is informed by the Hosts that “At least one of the players you tanned tonight is part of the wolfpack”. If the Tanner dies, the assigned players will keep their disguises for the night. All players lose their disguise at the end of the night. The Tanner is not a lycan, and is not part of the wolfpack.

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:25 PM

BTW I put my input on shepherd

As in my original intent

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:40 PM

Also Sorry for kinda being afk and Ignorant all game

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:40 PM

Nah

Town was pretty much doomed from when Angel => Huntress => Innkeeper

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:41 PM

plus LoG spy

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:41 PM

Weirdly, we could have won if anyone figured out galaxy was playing us

Killing Void should've tipped me off tbh

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:42 PM

Yeah I 100% trusted log

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:42 PM

It made no sense to kill void last night, unless wolf wasn't corned

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:42 PM

Luffy going along with Vera's macho fucked us

I didn't know she was checked as witch

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:43 PM

I added some name suggestions to Coward on the github

Impersonator Actor Redirector Deflector Spin Doctor Slippery Pete Assistant

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:43 PM

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:44 PM

Deceptionist

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:44 PM

My main worry is it sounds too evil

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:44 PM

it is, it's dooming some other townie instead of itself /j

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:44 PM

I kinda like assistant

Everything that comes to you, is given to who you're assisting (edited)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:45 PM

Slippery Pete

love I love this for some reason

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:45 PM

Well it's design is to save another townie from death by being checked as them

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:45 PM

I prefer the wolf detector version where you try to find a wolf, then try to get targeted by a wolf ability to confirm your target as wolf

Gambling Evaluator Everything that comes to you, is given to who you're assisting (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:45 PM

I didn't understand Assistant at first but that's a cool explanation

Talented Scientist I didn't understand Assistant at first but that's a cool explanation

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:46 PM

Yeah, which also explains why death doesn't get redirected

well, "explains" lol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

yeah kinda

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

Not redirecting town abilities is still kinda weird to me

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

Maybe middle man works with it too

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

That's a good one, I'll add it

Gambling Evaluator Not redirecting town abilities is still kinda weird to me

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

that wouldn't really help town

Gambling Evaluator Not redirecting town abilities is still kinda weird to me

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

Coward could be seen as wolf by FT

Mr. Square the Checker Coward could be seen as wolf by FT

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:47 PM

That helps town

Redirecting town abilities like FT check help you confirm two people at once

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:48 PM

not really how would anyone know if Coward was really Coward or just wolf?

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:49 PM

Well if fortune teller checks coward, and coward is targeting some other town

Then FT cc's coward, "I know you're huntress". Nah fam, I'm coward, but you just confirmed XXX as huntresss

two people confirmed

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:49 PM

that one works

but in that case Coward is stronger

which we don't want

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:50 PM

Well, there's nothing wrong with having weaker and stronger versions of the same role, for balance

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:50 PM

We try to have roles be more unique

and I wanted to have more weak safe to kill roles

so Coward was meant to fit that niche

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:52 PM

It seems like you're torn on whether adding town redirection actually makes it stronger though

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 03:52 PM

I didn't think of the second case

either way that'd make it more volatile as well

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:52 PM

It's more likely the coward ability get's wasted early if town triggers it

For example, two cowards in the same game

if one gets targeted by the other, ability is gone with no effect

more volatile, yes, sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker

I'm only recommending it cause I think it makes more sense for the role

Gambling Evaluator Killing Void should've tipped me off tbh

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:54 PM

not really, not killing void was giving the town the choice to make wolf or void win

i'd run through all possibilities

if you or topk were wolf and i was town

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:54 PM

Well we discussed, it, since we were certainly lynching top next

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:54 PM

the best bet would've been to actually attack void

and then hope for a no-lynch

and it would've been the only thing town could do either since town had no idea which of you two is wolf

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:55 PM

Nah, that's crazy. If I was wolf top, I would know I was outed and use void to help stall

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:55 PM

he wasn't outed

that's the thing

even though your story checked up

i made sure to never explain your story to others

and none of them caught on

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:56 PM

Fair, then you being torn on whether I was wolf should've made me know

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:56 PM

unfortunate for you that the only one who understood you were confirmed was me

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:56 PM

I definitely fell for the trap without thinking enough

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:56 PM

everyone did

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:56 PM

Well, not turtle

We basically played without them

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

none of you ever even questioned me for some reason

everyone assumed i was trusted

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

I couldn't think of any reason to distrust you

Examiner of Wolves and none of them caught on

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

I did

I just kept to myself

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

Well I had little info all game, I was chilling all game

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

because sussing you out wasnt my job

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

Not really void, our scuffle was revealing

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

lol

you should've known void

Gambling Evaluator Not really void, our scuffle was revealing

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

to you not me

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:57 PM

Well gg log

You've played us all

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:58 PM

if you'd revealed me, then i couldn't attack you

how did you not realise

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:58 PM

I should'nt have fast fowarded and simply questioned how you couldn't know I was town

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:58 PM

I suspected LoG for a while because both top and bobloy were acting wayy too town

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 03:58 PM

I never talked to top, was my main problem

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

yep, both of you just assumed the other was wolf

Examiner of Wolves if you'd revealed me, then i couldn't attack you

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

wdym?

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

I mean I trusted you and you said turt was town

And I knew I was town

Gambling Evaluator I never talked to top, was my main problem

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

lmao thats my fault. I accidentally kept you separate

A Happy Investigator 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

then the only person left was bob (edited)

Diamond Overseer wdym?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 03:59 PM

if you'd told everyone that i was the wolf, then attacking you would leave me open

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:00 PM

Exactly my point about why void dying should have tipped me off (edited)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:00 PM

ohh

I didnt realise

I thought I basically lost

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:01 PM

lol

if you knew i was wolf you'd have had a win tbh (edited)

well anyways was a good game for the wolves

‍♂️

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:03 PM

If you outed log he had to decide if shepherd or town wins

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:04 PM

yep

it was your only chance

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:04 PM

Who would you have chosen?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:04 PM

altho herding me was a mistake

Mr. Square the Checker Who would you have chosen?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:05 PM

i'd have killed void anyways, i still had a slight chance with town

but if he'd herded someone else

and i was outed

i'd have let him live

especially if he herded bob or turtle

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:05 PM

He couldn't win if you killed who he herded and you were outed

If he outed and herded you

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:05 PM

he could i think?

he'd have a stalemate

at least

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:06 PM

It depends on who town let win

Mr. Square the Checker If you outed log he had to decide if shepherd or town wins

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:06 PM

to be completely honest I wasnt confident about that, so I just left it as a thought and let the responsibility fall on town. I didnt even think that far

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:06 PM

Yeah, we did the math on it

Remember galaxy

If void lives, non-town has half the votes

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:07 PM

yea

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:07 PM

In F3 if there is no mayor shepherd should always win going into the night

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:07 PM

if you'd not herded me, and had outed me, i'd have attacked turtle mostly

and then pushed for a lynch on you you might've been able to defend yourself at that point

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

If there is town mayor+ town + shepherd it stailmates

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

lol how am I supposed to win without herding you

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

by herding me you forced the kill

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

If you and town lynched log

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

it was a lost cause for me anyway

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:08 PM

there was no way to let you live and have even the slightest chance at a win

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

it doesnt matter if I stayed alive for one more night

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

Non town could have majority vote if you didn't herd galaxy

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

Then you herd top or Bob, steal their vote and then lynch one and herd the last one

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

ohh

oh welp I messed up then

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

well the next night wolf kills void for sure

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

If you forced log to kill turtle

And lynched him

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:09 PM

no, only being able to lynch galaxy the next day ensured shep win

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:10 PM

~~LoG you should've told me this during the game~~

Gambling Evaluator 29-Apr-21 04:10 PM

and you couldn't ensure that

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:10 PM

heck even if it was you vs 3 townies, you'd have had the win

Diamond Overseer ~~LoG you should've told me this during the game~~

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:10 PM

i could've told a lot of things to a lot of people that'd make me lose

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:10 PM

XD

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:11 PM

nobody else honestly seemed to have anything resembling a plan

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:11 PM

I gave up on a plan

there was just too much going on

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:11 PM

lol (edited)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:14 PM

you can see me go insane starting from here: https://discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/835909160747008070/836671777605943326

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:14 PM

solos go insane very fast on their own

i had a mental breakdown as fp once

and then i subbed out because i couldnt handle it

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:14 PM

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

I actually wanted to sub out ngl

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

lolol

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

being lone solo is incredibly stressful

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

and then there's me suffering through guaranteed losses as solo twice

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

https://discord.com/channels/668821323325243403/835909160747008070/836551177931718726

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

lone solo at that

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:15 PM

aww

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

even www isn't as bad

Examiner of Wolves and then there's me suffering through guaranteed losses as solo twice

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

What games?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

you won this time

its ok

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

at least you have wolves when you're www

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

werewolf is honestly the most fun to play

Mr. Square the Checker What games?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

i was fp once... alone, in a 30+ player game

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

I kinda enjoyed being SWWW turned lone undead

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

and then i was devil (before devil was revamped) in a heavily town-sided game

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:16 PM

Because I became such a little threat I could plot everyone else's demise

Examiner of Wolves i was fp once... alone, in a 30+ player game

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

wow

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

(this was before someone else took over role lists, so we used to have mostly town-sided lists)

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

Oh

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

that might be why vyryn complained about town sided lists

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

Who's lists were theym

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

if he was used to that kinda lists

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

They?*

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

nowadays we get good lists

Mr. Square the Checker Who's lists were theym

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

marhjo mostly

Archer the Auditor that might be why vyryn complained about town sided lists

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:17 PM

and me lol

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

I remember thattt

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

i haven't seen a bad list in some time now

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

the town sided lists

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

Ts always mentions someone called randium? Is that an old GM?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

hehehe long story

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

some have been slightly off balance, but in a way that no one could predict

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

i only know randium as a dutch dude

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

Randium was the original owner of Werewolves

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

thats all i know about him

Mr. Square the Checker Ts always mentions someone called randium? Is that an old GM?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

Randium created OG werewolves

Mr. Square the Checker Ts always mentions someone called randium? Is that an old GM?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

ah randium long and dark story

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

on discord

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:18 PM

he went inactive and the other gms started doing everything

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

Is TS the reincarnation or Randium?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

randium had... issues, let's jsut say

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

~~inactive server owner? the curse of werewolves it seems~~

Mr. Square the Checker Is TS the reincarnation or Randium?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

no lolol

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

of*

Wait who is the current owner?

Archer the Auditor ~~inactive server owner? the curse of werewolves it seems~~

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

i wish

randium had already done that before ww

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

oof

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:19 PM

and then lots of other external stuff happened (including choco becoming a dictator and a revolution happening in LCN) which ultimately led to randium's server's death

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

ah yes choco

such history we have

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

I am happy we're now at peace

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

it would almost seem like there were some real high stakes involved

Mr. Square the Checker Wait who is the current owner?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

i'd like to say it's being switched between admins but it's more complicated than that

Diamond Overseer I am happy we're now at peace

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

i'm never certain of that

Examiner of Wolves it would almost seem like there were some real high stakes involved

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

ikr it was confusingly stressful

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

things still seem tense to me (edited)

less so thankfully

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

So WW became WWR LCN became SUM

Examiner of Wolves things still seem tense to me (edited)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:20 PM

oh

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

Mine replaced Wiml's technically

Mr. Square the Checker So WW became WWR LCN became SUM

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

LCN died. SUM is just another, happier server

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

marhjo decided to become a new incarnation of randium or something

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

but yeah ww turned into wwr

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

I luckily timed my inactivity with all the drama

so I missed all of it

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

lol

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

ah

Diamond Overseer LCN died. SUM is just another, happier server

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

Yeah but I'm talking player base moved to the server

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

i lost my admin status because of it, probably

oh well

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

what even happened to marhjo he was nice I think

Talented Scientist so I missed all of it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:21 PM

yep

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

gm can do everything else

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

I'm still very confused

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

he was nice, became inactive, didnt want me to own the server because he knew i was gonna demote him

end of story

Diamond Overseer what even happened to marhjo he was nice I think

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

lack of transparency i complained long ago about it

Mr. Square the Checker Yeah but I'm talking player base moved to the server

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

Not entirely but yeah. Cause LCN still stayed alive for a month or two. og ww didnt stand a chance. everyone left

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:22 PM

Oh

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

og ww had 1 more game

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

LCN has 4 servers now

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

everyone had already left

i hosted s3g4 on that server

Mr. Square the Checker LCN has 4 servers now

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

one of them is deleted

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

yeah but OG WW kicked all their GMs and the GMs had made the role book and bot

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

12 players, very inactive

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

yikes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

so they had to do a game with a new role book and bot

Diamond Overseer one of them is deleted

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

AFAIK they keep birthing more

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

nope

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:23 PM

vyryn/marhjo/me wrote the role book, vyryn did ratings and ubq/me did bot and I owned Mini Wolves (edited)

so they had nothing left

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

I'm part of their "management" lol. I would know

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

so much history we have

it's strange

Diamond Overseer I'm part of their "management" lol. I would know

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

Oh what?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

that people can fight this much

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

Mini Wolves is the og WWR server

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

over something as simple as a bunch of discord servers

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

i dont know anything about mafia but i know most of the things that happened after old ww died

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

I don't get people that feel the need to use the ownership of discord servers for their own advantage

or anything really

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:24 PM

at this point, i think only vyryn knows everything that's happened

Mr. Square the Checker Oh what?

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:25 PM

lol yeah. I was on the same "team" as choco even I though I disagreed with every move he made. I think everyone knew that about me tho

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:25 PM

even ts and marhjo only know what happened since ww started, not the backstory

Diamond Overseer lol yeah. I was on the same "team" as choco even I though I disagreed with every move he made. I think everyone knew that about me tho

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:25 PM

Huh so you're a people pleaser lol

Taking both sides

Talented Scientist I don't get people that feel the need to use the ownership of discord servers for their own advantage

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:25 PM

i wantd to complain about ownership not going to an admin on main but then i realised all admins are playing

Talented Scientist I don't get people that feel the need to use the ownership of discord servers for their own advantage

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:26 PM

yea exactly

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:26 PM

but yeah, marhjo definitely took advantage of being server owner, sadly enough

Mr. Square the Checker Taking both sides

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:26 PM

I didnt help choco, I only stayed in an attempt to stop him. I couldn't. Also I was part of LCN for more than a year now I had attachment to the server

Talented Scientist I don't get people that feel the need to use the ownership of discord servers for their own advantage

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:26 PM

Explain because I'm a smooth brain

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

they want to stay server owner because they feel powerful or something like that

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

yea

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

idk I just don't understand trying to have power of people with things like that

why force them do work with you if they don't want to

it's like unpleasant for everyone

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

pretty useless power anyways

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

Tbh jay does more moderation than me because they play less games on my server

Talented Scientist I don't get people that feel the need to use the ownership of discord servers for their own advantage

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

I agree and I hate this so much. Admins somehow get drunk on power and then ruin everything

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

The owner is just me because I set it up

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

and because i pointed it out, marhjo gave dennis server owner and now dennis doesnt trust me with it anymore i think

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

So my alt owns it

Diamond Overseer I agree and I hate this so much. Admins somehow get drunk on power and then ruin everything

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:27 PM

too often this happens

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:28 PM

especially to us

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:28 PM

werewolves needs to switch owner quite a lot, because we want to play games too

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:28 PM

I try to make everything I make public domain when I can so I can't even get the chance to consider using it for things like that

2

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:28 PM

everything should be in public domain if possible

would solve a lot of issues

Archer the Auditor werewolves needs to switch owner quite a lot, because we want to play games too

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:29 PM

Hence why I leave it on an alt I only use for owner only perms

Me and jay have admin

And hardly ever abuse it

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:29 PM

we have that on mini wolves

but on main we just have a normal server owner most of the time

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:29 PM

what server do you own Ethan?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:29 PM

Small town mafia

Mr. Square the Checker And hardly ever abuse it

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:29 PM

hardly

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

ideally you'd just share ownership through a shared account

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

I transfered WWR Owner at some point to play and that's the last time I had it

Examiner of Wolves ideally you'd just share ownership through a shared account

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

ahaha yeah huh funny story

we had that in another group

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

but then the question arises on how to actually share accounts

Diamond Overseer

hardly

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

By hardly I mean jay uses it to talk in games they are not playing

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

one person transfered it to themselves

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

AHAHAHA

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

lmao

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:30 PM

that's the problem unfortunately

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:31 PM

i'd trust most of the gms on main with a shared account

but it's not really neccesary because right now they're all trusted

not like i can say much anymore

i lost my admin status

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:32 PM

why was that again?

bc you left at some point or something?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:32 PM

not sure

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:32 PM

or did you not do admin things?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

i was the most admin admin out there

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

~~or you pissed off marhjo~~

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

made it a community server and all

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

ah that's admin stuff

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

that's like

the only admin stuff thats admin admin on wwr

most things like partnered servers or something can be discussed with gms

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:33 PM

I do a lot of things that are admin stuff

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

you handle bot

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

yeah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

bot = admin stuff

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

bot, ratings, roles

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

ts is the bot dude

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

anything not hosting related is admin stuff

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

ah

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

all admins should do some things

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:34 PM

ratings is something i cant get behind

but i sure like discussing roles

Archer the Auditor but i sure like discussing roles

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

I do that as not admin

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

I mean anyone can participate in discussing roles but it's not a GM thing

it's an extra thing

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

i also archived stuff like auditors because that was cluttering everything

and it was completely unneccesary

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

Doesn't marten do chat Archives?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

yeah

that's also an extra thing

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:35 PM

i chose an admin when ts left

and i had elaborate server owner discussions with marhjo for months

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:36 PM

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

fighting for the justice of the server, to put it heroically

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

at least you're still admin on the original WWR server

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

or just because i personally cannot stop discussing something until one side gives in

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

(mini wolves)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

i definitely am

also here

i helped setup VIP

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

yeah but this is like the third one

so it doesn't count as much

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:37 PM

fair

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

or fourth?

vyryn vip was a WWR one as well

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

was it?

hm

this would be 4th then

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

#1 Mini Wolves Revamped #2 Werewolves Revamped #3 Vyryn VIP #4 VIP Wolves Revamped

yeah

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

yeah

vyryn vip was quite eh

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

Vyryn vip?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

I got kicked for inactivity

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:38 PM

i remember doing an hour long interview with vyryn to become gm

i got denied

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

LMAO

WHAT

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

yup

somehow arch got gm

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

I had to do the bot stuff for it without being on the server

(edited)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

wow

Archer the Auditor i remember doing an hour long interview with vyryn to become gm

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

ah yes he had to decide b/w you and arch

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

was vyryn ok in the head?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

he somehow chose arch

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

I feel like he wasnt sometimes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:39 PM

I have to pay to host these bots and then I can't even be on the server

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:40 PM

im not sure if i was wwr gm at that point

i was mini gm

Talented Scientist I have to pay to host these bots and then I can't even be on the server

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:40 PM

omg 4th admin thing

funding

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:40 PM

ts really does the most

i did the role book while ts was gone

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:40 PM

Ts we appreciate you ❤️

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

❤️

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

ts really does the most for wwr

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

And also Vera

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

talking about vyryn vip makes me curious if they had special roles

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

well apparently all i do is cause trouble and get kicked from the admin team

1

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

I wouldnt know since I wasnt on it

gonna check the role database (edited)

Archer the Auditor well apparently all i do is cause trouble and get kicked from the admin team

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

why dont you go back?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:41 PM

well i don't think they'd give me admin now

there'd be 4 admins

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

who're the admins now?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

dennis is only admin because marhjo trusted him with server owner more than me

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

oh

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

jay is admin because they deserve it

ts is naturally admin because he does the absolute most for the server

Examiner of Wolves ah yes he had to decide b/w you and arch

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

in contrast, another time he wanted a GM I was only choice

Talented Scientist gonna check the role database (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

apparently not

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:42 PM

it wouldnt surprise me if they didnt know how to edit/make roles

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

I'm not sure if anyone really does

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

I read that part in the documentation

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

does that VIP even exist?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

its in the bot

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

i thought it died long ago?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

the server is gone I think

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

it was very confusing

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

but I have the bot's DB

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

i hosted some games there

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

wasn't ES first used there?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:43 PM

mightve been

dont think we used it on main?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

I made up the role for that game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

ah

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

lmao

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

ES?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

yeah I always thought you made it for Vyryn VIP

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

idr who got it, but unfortunately it didn't have any effect

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

but idk if I was on Vyryn VIP at that point

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

you were

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

ah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

i think you even played that one? or the one before it

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

I played 2

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:44 PM

you played one of the games i hosted

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

was it like when we added reaper for the first time and reaper died n1?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

Baker and Warlock(?)

then I was inactive for 3 games and got kicked

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

yea warlock was hosted by me

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

yeah 3 game inactivity got people kicked

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

I think that was one where I didnt find a wolf until N4

and then they didn't believe me

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

oof

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

so I pasted my entire SC

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

yea

and then we made the rule

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

which was like 15 separate discord messages

and they were like

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

of not allowing that

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

LMAO

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

"uh im not convinced"

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

WHAT

who were wolves?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

yep

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

hahahah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:45 PM

it was hilarious to watch

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:46 PM

And I was like "dude you think I made up 30k characters of sc monologue??????"

Talented Scientist then I was inactive for 3 games and got kicked

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:46 PM

that was mostly done coz marhjo couldn't be kicked without kicking you

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:46 PM

what

Talented Scientist And I was like "dude you think I made up 30k characters of sc monologue??????"

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:46 PM

there was a time when people would do that

maybe not that much

but fake scs were a whole thing at some point (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:46 PM

It was very very long

like I spent 4 days just monologuing

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:47 PM

yea we'd chatted a lot in there

i'd sent a ton of messages too

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:47 PM

and talking to the gms

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:47 PM

way too many

mostly coz i felt sad for ts

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:47 PM

ngl that might've been the most active channel

other than public ones

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:47 PM

probably

you tried so hard

and yet

it was sad

(on that note we should try ES again sometime)

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

Ts kept me company when I was shepherd

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

I sometimes do it on Mini Wolves

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

oh

MW

and ES

wow

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

whats ES?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

I've used it quite a few times there actually

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

it's hard to keep track of no

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

Evil Scientist | Solo Killing - Disease Team Basics The Evil Scientist has invented a new disease, lethal and highly contagious. Their desire is to kill off all players. Details They starts off with two (or three for larger games) vials of a substrate containing the disease. At any night, they may use one vial to infect another player. Infected players will be affected by the disease. If the Evil Scientist attempts to infect an already infected player, they are informed, but the vial is used up. Infecting a player is an immediate ability. The Disease N0 - Player is infected [Night Immediate] D1 - Player becomes contagious, and remains so till their death. Any player (except the Evil Scientist) who visits or is visited by a contagious player gets infected (group visits, such as werewolf kills counts as a visit, but only one random person who voted for the contagious player is infected) [End-Day] N1 - Player is still contagious D2 - Player is informed of infection [End-Day] N2 - Player dies (no possible way to survive), cause of death is announced publicly [End-Night]

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

oh

Examiner of Wolves it's hard to keep track of no

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

nah not too bad

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

hmm

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

i just have a field where I write n0/d1/n1/d2/n2 (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:48 PM

depends on how many visitors people get and stuff

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

im not sure if I've used it since I became active again

Talented Scientist i just have a field where I write n0/d1/n1/d2/n2 (edited)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

ah i see

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

but I used to be a lot better at hosting I think

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

dont think so

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

Last mw I hosted D0 in devil SC was gold

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

I've been making more issues than I used to recently

Mr. Square the Checker Last mw I hosted D0 in devil SC was gold

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:49 PM

what was in it?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

Remember

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

wait or do you mean archangel

wait no I was devil

not archangel

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

We argued over who you could wager

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

right

yeah

I had a good argument

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

You wagered no one in the end

Mr. Square the Checker We argued over who you could wager

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

???

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

I think in a majority of games I've played I've found an issue with some roles that somehow didn't occur to me out of game

Examiner of Wolves ???

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

my argument:

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

why is there an argument on this?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:50 PM

1) im not soullesss

2) I can wager anyone that is not soulless

3) im not banned from wagering myself

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

lolol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

hence I can wager myself

Talented Scientist I think in a majority of games I've played I've found an issue with some roles that somehow didn't occur to me out of game

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

thats what keeps happening to me too

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

I was technically right

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

My argument I'm GM and no

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

but we'd already decided, long long ago, that devil and demon cannot be wagered

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

it obviously was an oversight (which has been fixed)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

its true that gms have the last word

Examiner of Wolves but we'd already decided, long long ago, that devil and demon cannot be wagered

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

Yes, but we only put it into the Demon description

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

it's not ethan's fault it wasn't in the rolebook (WHY THE FUCK WASN'T IT?)

Archer the Auditor its true that gms have the last word

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

yeah I wasnt mad that I wasnt allowed to do it

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:51 PM

ahha

Examiner of Wolves it's not ethan's fault it wasn't in the rolebook (WHY THE FUCK WASN'T IT?)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

yeah idk how I missed it so far

my plan always was not to wager anyone

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

so I didn't really mind

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

i have a habit of letting arguments get out of hand because i know im right

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

not wagering

as devil

wow

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

on MW nobody attacks in small games

other than you, maybe

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

lol

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

I think it ended Me: Wager someone else or no one Ts: no Me: fine no one it is Ts: fine

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

so at most I'd get the invest which isn't really worth it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:52 PM

i always attack unless i see an immediate threat from devil

i see no point wasting a free attack

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

it was like 4 or 5p

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

ah

stupid to attack with 4-5p

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

devil would have 2 souls + 1 soulless + 1 self

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

devil in such small games is eh

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

so instant win

Archer the Auditor devil in such small games is eh

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

+1

devil needs 10+ players to work

and a balanced town and wolf

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:53 PM

yeah like I said Devil starts out strong but doesn't get closer to winning that fast

and FP is weak but can get closer to winning faster

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:54 PM

devil is very hard to play because people are scared shitless by it

despite it being mostly weak

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 04:54 PM

It was all solo tho

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:54 PM

still sad that I didn't get to finish playing as devil in s2g8

I had a solid plan for winning

but then I just got a win instead

(I won as undead even though I was still devil)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

lol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

I was teaming with Vamp and the Undead sold their souls to turn people undead

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

wheni was devil, wolves were stupid enough to not attack when it was some 10ish town v 2 wolves and town knew who wolves were

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

with the plan to turn me undead in the end

but I was gonna betray them since they'd all have been soulless

and I had souls

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

F

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

but then the game was just ended with an undead victory while I had like 3 souls

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

lol

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:55 PM

3 souls weren't enough

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

for what?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

that must be why

there were still some 4 wolves alone left

plus a couple town and the vamp himself

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

yeah but if the game had continue with the same pattern more people undead would've sold

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

maybe more

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

creating more undead

they ended it bc of that

Talented Scientist yeah but if the game had continue with the same pattern more people undead would've sold

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

that's possible

why didn't you protest?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:56 PM

it was ended because they assumed we'd just continue with the same pattern

I didn't know I'd make a difference

until much later

I thought win = win

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

altho, if you'd protested, we'd have known and attacked you immediately

Talented Scientist I thought win = win

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

it mostly is?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

were you wolf?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

Undead counts much less than Devil

Im guessing you also got an undead win

IIRC everyone alive got an undead win

Talented Scientist Undead counts much less than Devil

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

in some places

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:57 PM

also bragging rights

Talented Scientist IIRC everyone alive got an undead win

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

they assumed we'd use the wager strategy to turn everyone undead

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

anyways after that we make it impossible to demonize devil (and team)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

and made it forbidden to team like that

Talented Scientist IIRC everyone alive got an undead win

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

yep

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

which doesnt even make sense if there were 4 wolves?

they could've killed Bart (Vampire)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

no four wolves of which 2 were undead i think?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:58 PM

in which case we couldn't have continued with creating new undeads

ah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

i don't remember

but either way

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

oh yeah at least 1 wolf was undead

I remember

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

we had the wolves convinced

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

oh you were undead wolf?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

ah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

i sold my soul too i think (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

I mean I was happy with the result of the game when it happened

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

back then, a win was a win

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 04:59 PM

but in hindsight I wish it would've continued for a chance of bragging rights

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

and back then win at any cost

even if it means intentionally betraying your team

later we changed that

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

Good job log

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

mostly coz of that game and another with a cursed civ

Art Reviewer Good job log

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

thanks :)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

yeah CC

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 05:00 PM

Not even mad cuz u deserved it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

vera handled the first half of the game i continued where she left off to finish the game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

LoG for Best Scum and Best Town

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

Does FP apply to devil in the main game btw

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

i think we made a good team

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

Before it starts?

Mr. Square the Checker Does FP apply to devil in the main game btw

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

Devil's Wager is affected by obstructions

Talented Scientist LoG for Best Scum and Best Town

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

lolol ngl, i had more strats for town than town themselves

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 05:01 PM

I think i could have figured it out if i had another day alive

Probably

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

you would have

that's why we killed you

lol

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

So if FP us wagered they could work out if devil is enchanted

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

ooh

Mr. Square the Checker So if FP us wagered they could work out if devil is enchanted

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

it's from the players perspective

not devil

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

oh (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:02 PM

which is a bit weird

since the devil does the attack

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:03 PM

devil is just a funny role

Talented Scientist since the devil does the attack

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:03 PM

exactly

most solo roles

are weird af

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:03 PM

I think back when I was devil you couldn't talk to the devil's wager recipient

that was great

I think my version didn't have souls at the start, didn't talk to the recipient, but instead they'd see the role of the recipient

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:03 PM

huh

my version i could talk, but no soul at start (was changed after my game only) and no role of recipient (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:04 PM

when was that?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:04 PM

dunno

S3 ig? maybe S2

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:04 PM

pretty sure when I came back for s2g8 we didn't have a functional whispers bot

I think there was one previously but at that time we didnt have one

and then after s3g1 we started using my bot as whispers bot

which was back then the only feature

and then eventually my bot did whispers and $info

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:05 PM

Only time I played hell team I was demon checked with wager N1

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:05 PM

anyways, that gives me idea rn if the wagered player doesn't give up their soul, there's nothing much devil can do so what if we make it so that if wagered player doesn't give up soul, then devil gets to know their role?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:05 PM

the basic idea of there being a punishment from the devil for not doing it seems interesting

not sure if it should be the role

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:06 PM

I still think Devil should bypass obstructions for its view in it's own channel

So

Like

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:06 PM

??

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:07 PM

SnW checked as cit Devil learns it as SnW in its private sc

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:07 PM

Once per game the Devil may NK a player that doesn't sell their soul?

though technically he could already do that

with a soul

kinda

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:09 PM

I still think my idea buffs the check slightly

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:09 PM

I don't think it really makes sense

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:10 PM

The devil will basically learn if the player checked is disguised

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:10 PM

what

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:11 PM

I get what you mean but I don't think it really makes sense

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:12 PM

Actually yeah it doesn't

What if demon becomes protected if you don't kill with wager or something

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:15 PM

there isnt always demon in a devil game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:15 PM

that won't always work

yeah

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:15 PM

Oh

Yeah

10 = 1 solo

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:15 PM

i think just giving devil the role is soul isn't sold would work?

it's simple, easy to understand

and not too big a buff

but not too insignificant either

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:16 PM

Devil would learn 2 roles a night

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:16 PM

in theory the devil would work as it is in practice people are so damned scared of selling their soul

Mr. Square the Checker Devil would learn 2 roles a night

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

unless someone gives them a soul, in which case they learn nothing

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

They get a kill tho

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

yea

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

Or extra protection

Examiner of Wolves i think just giving devil the role is soul isn't sold would work?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

I guess it could be framed as reveal your identity but learn another players idenity so it kinda makes sense

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

yea

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:17 PM

I've only seen soul sold twice

Same game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

marhjo won as devil once

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

Os6b

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

so you only have two choices - either sell your soul for a kill, or sell your identity for someone else's identity

Talented Scientist marhjo won as devil once

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

technically archa

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Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

right now ignore is a third option

it would be fair if you can still ignore

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

but then people would just ignore every time

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

Sell soul => kill Sell identity => knowlege ignore

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:18 PM

people are scared of devil

i dunno why

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

then the devil has to convince them

it can't be fully free

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

that's the hard part no

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

well yeah

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

unless the devil knows something

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

If you ignore you get ignored and get a slap from gms

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

they can't convince anyone of anything

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:19 PM

you should pick a player that might seem like they want to figure out another player or kill somebody

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:20 PM

right now, the only such player would be me

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:20 PM

not really

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:20 PM

the thing with devil is, the more they know the more powerful they get

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:20 PM

unless I'm like CL or something I'd probably at very least do the check

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:20 PM

so ideally we want to give devil some extra bit of knowledge

although

since devil has weak disguise

hmm you know

with weak disguise

if there's only investigative roles affected by weak disguises, then devil can work

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:22 PM

maybe if you dont sell your soul you get disguised as devil

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:22 PM

the old devil was only disguised from itself, which made it vulnerable to other investigatives

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:22 PM

yeah at some point I reduced all the weird different disguises down to 2 types

WWW also had a special one

maybe others too (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:22 PM

Maybe devil gets a temp strong disguise if you ignore

Talented Scientist yeah at some point I reduced all the weird different disguises down to 2 types

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:23 PM

good thing too

Mr. Square the Checker Maybe devil gets a temp strong disguise if you ignore

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:23 PM

works only if there's investigatives that are affected only by strong disguises but the presence of those already weakens devil too much (unless he has a demon or the TI is hunter or something) (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:24 PM

idea

you can choose between selling your soul for an attack or for a defense

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:24 PM

devil games are hard to balance really

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:24 PM

if you choose defense you keep it if devil isn't attacked

Talented Scientist you can choose between selling your soul for an attack or for a defense

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:24 PM

ohhh yes makes sense

Talented Scientist if you choose defense you keep it if devil isn't attacked

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:24 PM

devil isn't attacked??

what?

wait explain what you mean by this

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:25 PM

I meant that if you "sell" your soul for defense the devil is protected for the night, but if the defense isn't used you basically get it back

but actually I think what you thought might even be better

Talented Scientist I meant that if you "sell" your soul for defense the devil is protected for the night, but if the defense isn't used you basically get it back

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:26 PM

(and this would happen if you did an invest)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:26 PM

eh weird

Talented Scientist but actually I think what you thought might even be better

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:26 PM

I'm guessing you thought you sell your soul to protect yourself?

which sounds better than what I said if that's it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:26 PM

so what i'm thinking is you get four choices 1) sell soul and get protection for a night 2) sell soul and attack 3) sell identity and investigate another 4) ignore

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:27 PM

yeah that seems interesting

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:27 PM

many people would be willing to sell soul for protection especially if you can figure out who's likely to be attacked, devil should have a much easier time

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:27 PM

if devil is through the eyes of the wagered does that mean oracle is not affected by obstructions as an FT check?

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Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:27 PM

and having a demon would be useful too

Mr. Square the Checker if devil is through the eyes of the wagered does that mean oracle is not affected by obstructions as an FT check?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

can we change that to make it through devil's eyes pls

for consistency (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

I should propose my suggestion that hell team has a pool of souls instead of just devil

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

ill make a hell team revamp PR with all of those

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

what would demon do with souls anyways?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

same as devil

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

because it means a solo demon can win too

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

ah

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

demon just cant get them

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

yes

works

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 05:28 PM

@Diamond Overseer btw sorry u lost

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

wasn't this suggested before?

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

it wasnt town that betrayed u it was log

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

possibly Demon would also add a soul to the pool

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

i'm sure it was

Examiner of Wolves wasn't this suggested before?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

I've suggested it first like 2 years ago

Talented Scientist possibly Demon would also add a soul to the pool

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

yea makes sense

Talented Scientist I've suggested it first like 2 years ago

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

why was it ignored

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

somehow it was never really discussed all that much by the other GMs

I've had at least 3 iterations of demon changes

Talented Scientist possibly Demon would also add a soul to the pool

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

would they get an extra for LA and IW changes too?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:29 PM

i think these two changes should make hell/heaven much stronger

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:30 PM

okay so summary: - new/changed wager options - demon change - invest is done by devil

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

wasnt that that demon should start out with 1 soul

the soul pool

Talented Scientist okay so summary: - new/changed wager options - demon change - invest is done by devil

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

yep

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

can recipient only protect themselves or anyone (like devil)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

"demon change" is a bit of an understatement ofc

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

any other solo changes while were at it?

Talented Scientist can recipient only protect themselves or anyone (like devil)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

anyone IMO

no reason to restrict

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:31 PM

makes more sense imo

yeah

we just hadn't said its possible previously

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:32 PM

also it provides the town protection everyone moans about not having

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:32 PM

this should make devil way more interesting

Mr. Square the Checker also it provides the town protection everyone moans about not having

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:32 PM

yep

town will have a hard choice here

a true devil's wager here

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:33 PM

what about errrrrrrr idk

I was gonna ask if any other solos not mentioned need improvements

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:33 PM

oh boy char limit is gonna be fun

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:33 PM

lol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:34 PM

if the devil learns a role is it affected by disguises/obstructions?

is there another word like demon that I could use? that way I could basically create a second version of Demon that's meant to be used in RL's

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:38 PM

Imp

Succubus

errrr

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:38 PM

Incubus

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:39 PM

feind

~~hellhound~~

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:40 PM

could also keep Demon as Demon and have a new role that's for copying

(I want to add a disguise to demon)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:40 PM

hm

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:40 PM

so basically I'm thinking that Demon should be just like Devil but without wager

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

hm

Talented Scientist if the devil learns a role is it affected by disguises/obstructions?

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

affected by disguises ofc, for consistency

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

the idea is that Demon should be immune to the effects of Devil's wager just like Devil

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

so a soul and a disguise?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

yeah

Talented Scientist is there another word like demon that I could use? that way I could basically create a second version of Demon that's meant to be used in RL's

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

Deamon?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

and I want to change Devil so that Devil won't kill Demon

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

yes

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

thats too close

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

which with a pool would be very dumb

Mr. Square the Checker feind

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

fiend is good ig? or Imp if you want

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

scared and sacred again

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:41 PM

fiend works

yeah sacred needs a new name too

Examiner of Wolves fiend is good ig? or Imp if you want

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

I'm not a huge fan of either of those so I think I'll rename current Demon to those

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

immune

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

and then new Demon will be Demon

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

Also maybe we could have alert wolf

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

alright

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

old Demon would probably not be used often with this

since it's intended only for copying

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:42 PM

idk alert wolf is from when I misunderstood sacred wolf

Talented Scientist since it's intended only for copying

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:43 PM

and infected wolf

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Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:43 PM

The devil's wager recipient may choose one of these four options: 1) The recipient may choose to sell their identity, to see another player’s role. Checking another player is an immediate effect. Afterwards, the Devil is privately informed what role the recipient has. Both of the investigations are affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the Devil’s perspective, not the recipients’s.

clear enough?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

oh so IW and LA will now become fiend/imp whatever it's called if they target devil

Talented Scientist

The devil's wager recipient may choose one of these four options: 1) The recipient may choose to sell their identity, to see another player’s role. Checking another player is an immediate effect. Afterwards, the Devil is privately informed what role the recipient has. Both of the investigations are affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the Devil’s perspective, not the recipients’s.

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

+1

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

but if they target demon they become demon?

Mr. Square the Checker oh so IW and LA will now become fiend/imp whatever it's called if they target devil

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

yep

fiend i think could be used as a wolf role, so my vote is for imp

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

we could test it this game

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

possibly

Lab Android we could test it this game

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:44 PM

if it's an open season game, please do

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:45 PM

imp was what I wanted to call a UM I had an idea for which is angel that wanted to die at night and killed it's attacker

but it's too much of an easy win

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:45 PM

with this PR we'd have 4 hell team members

well actually #3 is in a PR also

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

4?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

youre gonna put it in main?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

I have a PR for Demonic Cupid https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/102

Cupid change by McTsts · Pull Request #102 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

This clears up some Cupid related edge cases.

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

maybe mini's/vip tests first

Talented Scientist I have a PR for Demonic Cupid https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/102

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

oh yeah those

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:46 PM

i wouldnt put a role we just discussed in main yet

we should probably calm down with new/limited roles on main (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

it should be mini's Vip Reworks Mini's again maybe Maybe another VIP Main

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

if something like the cf thing happened on main people will get mad

Archer the Auditor i wouldnt put a role we just discussed in main yet

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

this is a change

not really a new role

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

hm

thats fine ig

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

the new demon is?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:47 PM

if people accept it

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:48 PM

it's the host's decision

I think especially it would make the game more pleasant for the demon

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:48 PM

well if people react negatively to the PR it shouldnt be done

but whats the change exactly?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:49 PM

The devil's wager recipient may choose one of these four options: 1) The recipient may choose to sell their identity, to see another player’s role. Checking another player is an immediate effect. Afterwards, the Devil is privately informed what role the recipient has. Both of the investigations are affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the Devil’s perspective, not the recipients’s. 2) The recipient may choose to sell their soul, to attack another player. Selling the soul is an immediate effect. At the end of the night the Devil will attack the player chosen by the recipient. If the recipient chooses a member of the hell team, they will sell their soul as normal, but the Devil will not execute the attack. The recipient is not informed. 3) The recipient may choose to sell their soul, to protect a player. Selling the soul is an immediate effect. For the rest of the night the player chosen by the recipient will be protected from any attacks to target them. The recipient may choose to protect themself. 4) The recipient may choose to ignore the devil's wager.

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:50 PM

hm

that's quite a big change

they're nice changes

but big ones

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:51 PM

there's more

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:51 PM

oh

Mr. Square the Checker it should be mini's Vip Reworks Mini's again maybe Maybe another VIP Main

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:52 PM

too much lol

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:52 PM

this one cant be tested in minis

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:52 PM

but yea, mini->mini again as many times as needed->VIP->main

Talented Scientist this one cant be tested in minis

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:52 PM

true

VIP then

can't throw straight into main

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

I think we have a good idea how devil works and there's not any new mechanics

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

protect?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

(the current iteration of devil was thrown straight into main)

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

if it turns out to be broken, main peeps wouldn't be too happy

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

we wont get a minis game large enough to test it

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:53 PM

or maybe do an open season on main?

people can't complain with OS games

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:54 PM

we could ask people to join minis to do a test game of some new roles at some point

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 05:55 PM

a full length game? no reason not to do that here?

we want people that know how to play to test the game first

so no point going to mini

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

oh yeah good point

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

we could make a quick poll asking people if they want the cahnge

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

do a $poll new yn ?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

I can't fit in the soul usages

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

is it too long?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:56 PM

Devil | Solo Killing - Hell Team Basics Each day, the Devil may choose a player to send the devil’s wager to. The devil's wager recipient may choose one of four options. The Devil can use the hell team's pool of souls When everyone is dead or soulless the Devil wins. Details The Devil is soulless, instead their soul is in the hell team's pool of souls. Members of the Hell team cannot change role or betray the team in any way. At the start of the game, the Devil may choose a role as a weak disguise. If the Devil doesn’t choose a role, they will show up as a citizen. The Devil can't send the wager to soulless players. The wager is sent at the end of the day. The Devil can anonymously communicate with the target. The devil's wager recipient may choose one of these four options: 1) The recipient may choose to sell their identity, to see another player’s role. Checking another player is an immediate effect. Afterwards, the Devil is privately informed what role the recipient has. Both of the investigations are affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the Devil’s perspective, not the recipients’s. 2) The recipient may choose to sell their soul, to attack another player. Selling the soul immediately adds it to the pool. At the end of the night the Devil will attack the player chosen by the recipient. If the recipient chooses a member of the hell team, they will sell their soul as normal, but the Devil will not execute the attack. The recipient is not informed. 3) The recipient may choose to sell their soul, to protect a player. Selling the soul immediately adds it to the pool. For the rest of the night the player chosen by the recipient will be protected from any attacks to target them. The recipient may choose to protect themself. 4) The recipient may choose to ignore the devil's wager.

(without soul uses)

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 05:57 PM

yikes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:57 PM

the old one was very compressed actually

Talented Scientist I can't fit in the soul usages

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:57 PM

make devil part a and devil part b and have the command for $i devil post both simultaniously (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 05:57 PM

it had things like (immediate) instead of having sentences

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 05:58 PM

that could work right?

idk

idk how the code works

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 05:59 PM

ts going mad

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 05:59 PM

Database error. Could not find role citizen,info huntress!

❌ You're not allowed to use this command!

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

awww

:(

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

oh ye

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

part 1

part 2

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

game's over

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

✅ Attempting to promote you, Archer the Auditor!

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

it works... kinda

$i test

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

part 1

part 2

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

oh yeah

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:00 PM

part 1

part 2

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:01 PM

so do it with devil a and devil b

and bam

full devil dm

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 06:01 PM

set $i devil to $split info devil_a; info devil_b (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:01 PM

$r set test "$split info test1;info test2"

yep

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 06:01 PM

why not just have the bot detect the info message to detect if its too long and split it into 2?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:01 PM

it won't know where to split

or it just does it in a random spot

Panda the Assessor 29-Apr-21 06:02 PM

on a new line

you can easily parse it to an array and calculate when to split it

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:02 PM

I guess but it still won't necessarily be as good as manually

though I think we could just have devils wager be a separate info thing

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:03 PM

the jank fix is ok for now

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:03 PM

split it into three things you can access via $i => devil/demon/imp => devil's wager => souls (edited)

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:03 PM

hmmmm

but new players might not know that

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:03 PM

we'll put the info

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:04 PM

there should be a command to post it all at once

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:04 PM

Devil | Solo Killing - Hell Team Basics Each day, the Devil may choose a player to send the devil’s wager to. The devil's wager recipient may choose one of four options. The Devil can use the hell team's pool of souls When everyone is dead or soulless the Devil wins. Details The Devil is soulless, instead their soul is in the hell team's pool of souls. Members of the Hell team cannot change role or betray the team in any way. At the start of the game, the Devil may choose a role as a weak disguise. If the Devil doesn’t choose a role, they will show up as a citizen. The Devil can't send the wager to soulless players. The wager is sent at the end of the day. The Devil can anonymously communicate with the target. The recipient may choose to protect somebody, attack somebody, learn the role of a player or to ignore the wager. ($info wager for a detailed explanation)

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:05 PM

oh yeah that works actually

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:11 PM

Database error. Could not find role wager!

Examiner of Wolves 29-Apr-21 06:11 PM

bruh

lol

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:11 PM

Database error. Could not find role souls!

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:11 PM

oh not in the bot yet

bc

Werewolves Bot C BOT 29-Apr-21 06:12 PM

Devil | Solo Killing - Hell Team Basics Each day, the Devil may choose a player to send the devil’s wager to. The target may choose to either learn another player’s role, or attack another player, but sell their soul in the process. The Devil has a variety of uses for souls. When everyone is dead or soulless the Devil wins. Details The Devil can't target soulless players. The wager is sent at the end of the day. The Devil can anonymously communicate with the target & will be notified of the result of the wager - they will learn who was attacked/which person was inspected & what role the target saw. If the player chooses to see another player’s role (immediate), it will be affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the player’s perspective, not the Devil’s. If the player chooses to attack another player (soul sold: immediately; kill executed: end-night), then they will become soulless. The attacker is the Devil. If the player chooses to attack the Devil the attack will not be executed, but they will not be informed of this. However, they still sell their soul to the Devil. The Devil can use a soul to protect someone else from all attacks for the next night (day; immediate) or kill a player of their liking (day/night; immediate). If the Devil is attacked at night and they have spare souls, they will be protected and a soul will be used up automatically. The Devil starts the game off with a single soul that they can use whenever. At the start of the game, the Devil may choose a role as a weak disguise. If the Devil doesn’t choose a role, they will show up as a citizen. The Devil starts out soulless. Members of the Hell team cannot change role or betray the team in any way.

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:15 PM

im still writing

should now all be in a PR

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/206

Major Devil Revamp by McTsts · Pull Request #206 · McTsts/Werewolve...

changed the invest option (now you need to sell your identity) clarified that ignoring is an option added a protection option the devil now refuses to kill anyone from hell team and not just the de...

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:27 PM

lol I just remembered when Ts had a reveal thing in royal wolf

and me and vera were like

yes me a wolf want's to reveal I am a wolf to town (edited)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:28 PM

WHAT IS UP TOWN IT IS ME!!! THE ROYAL WOLF!!!! BOW DOWN TO ME, YOU AVE NO ELECTED BITCH TO BOW DOWN TO

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:28 PM

Lol

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 06:28 PM

HEY YOu, Im royal WOlf AND im Taking THe Election

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:28 PM

This game would have been so much easier if I hadn't argued it not being in

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:29 PM

wha

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:29 PM

HEY YOIWO AND TTHE (edited)

or

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:30 PM

hello my fellow participants of werewolves. i am the royal wolf and i will now cancel this election. town killing, please target me, ive already given up, my wolfpack is stupid.

- me

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:30 PM

um royal lfim aking election

"Yes I want to publicly reveal myself as wolf" said no sane person

- me

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:32 PM

it was always optional

if there's a game with 15 Royal Wolves and one of them is Undead and nobody else is alive they can all cancel the election and reveal themselves

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:33 PM

why would there be 15?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:33 PM

maybe the game has 1k players?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:33 PM

>_<

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:33 PM

15 Royal Wolves seems reasonable then

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:33 PM

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

- changed the invest option (now you need to sell your identity) (wager) - clarified that ignoring is an option (wager) - added a protection option (wager) - the devil now refuses to kill anyone from hell team and not just the devil - clarify that auto soul defense uses 1 soul per attack - split wager and soul info into different sections - demon renamed to imp (only meant for copying) - demon readded as a role that's like devil but without the wager (which is meant to be added to role lists) - the souls are now in a pool of souls and not on the devil - added separate more detailed info for wager & souls - each Devil and Demon adds 1 soul to the initial pool of souls - when an imp is created hell team gains a soul https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/206 (edited)

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

how are you planning on getting 1k players?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

finished summary

Archer the Auditor how are you planning on getting 1k players?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

idk

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

force signup the whole server will get you a little over a 100 players

Archer the Auditor how are you planning on getting 1k players?

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

you ever heard of college/uni students, they'll do anything for a bit of cash

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:34 PM

cash????

oh so we ask for an entrance fee

and then

we uh

let the winners have double their entrance fee back

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

that'd be interesting

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

and we keep the rest

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

yes

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

hire 1k people to play WW

Talented Scientist hire 1k people to play WW

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

next mr beast video

Ts email him

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:35 PM

you'd have to ask marhjo

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:36 PM

why marhjo lol

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:36 PM

mar~~hjo~~ beast (edited)

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:36 PM

marhjo is a professional networker

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:36 PM

oh

i wouldnt have guessed

he likes leaving his old networks behind

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:37 PM

and dream and mrbeast know each other

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:37 PM

lol

Archer the Auditor he likes leaving his old networks behind

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:37 PM

you dont have enough youtube subscribers

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:37 PM

oh alright

i'll tell my 4 friends and the 1 random russian stranger that follows me to spread the word of me

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:38 PM

hm can you do 1M?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:38 PM

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:38 PM

the 1 random russian stranger that follows me

Ts just playing ww's in real life he's the role stalker

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:38 PM

I am russian?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

ts is now russian

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

no I'm saying you made the russian guy stalker

oh well

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

assigned russian by ethan

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

You're russian now Ts

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

Почему? Почему люди должны умирать? Если бы только их можно было вернуть. Нет, это бессмыслица. Я никогда их уже не увижу.

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:39 PM

have fun with putin

That's a really random sentence

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:40 PM

it really is not

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:40 PM

Do you know what it says?

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:40 PM

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:40 PM

oh

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

that might be the wrong one actually

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

it's that one

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

yeah

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

I'm guessing russian=>english isn't gonna be 100% accurate

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

oh alright

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

Why? Why do people have to die? If only they could be returned. No, this is nonsense. I will never see them again.

Is what I got

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

i did send a v2 after adri said i could do better

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:41 PM

from translate

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

the actual sentence is

Why... why do people have to die... if only they could be resurrected. No, that's nonsense. I'm never getting anyone back.

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

Archer the Auditor that might be the wrong one actually

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

oh I thought you meant its a different line

yeah idk which voice line it is

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

its v2

Art Reviewer @Diamond Overseer btw sorry u lost

Diamond Overseer 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

Lmao don't apologize I played badly

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

v1 was denied by adri

Archer the Auditor i did send a v2 after adri said i could do better

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

Oh wait it's you?

Talented Scientist the actual sentence is

Why... why do people have to die... if only they could be resurrected. No, that's nonsense. I'm never getting anyone back.

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:42 PM

but if you translate from russian to english it's not gonna do it accurately

Fun Fact: Скорбящая — самый популярный персонаж среди разработчиков! В среднем её реплика переслушивалась более 5 раз!

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:43 PM

it auomatically stranslated to dutch but honestly the format was kinda obvious

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:43 PM

yeah

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:43 PM

Fun Fact: The Mourner is the most popular character among the developers! On average, her line was listened to more than 5 times!

more than 5 times!!!!!!

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:44 PM

Здравствуй, товарищ живой человек. Твои глаза так сладко выглядят сегодня. Я настоящий человек, так что не волнуйся. Я тебя не съем!

Talented Scientist Fun Fact: Скорбящая — самый популярный персонаж среди разработчиков! В среднем её реплика переслушивалась более 5 раз!

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:44 PM

How could you translate told me this says you are permanently shutting down werewolves to make money on the stock market /j

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:44 PM

COMRADE

it translates to comrade lmao

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:44 PM

did it translate fellow human to comrade?

hahaha

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:44 PM

yeah

Hello, comrade, a living person. Your eyes look so sweet today. I'm a real person, so don't worry. I won't eat you!

i prefer the comrade

say it in a russian accent

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:45 PM

I mean товарищ живой translates to comrade alive, but with the sentence it should be fellow human

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:45 PM

comrade, a living person

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:45 PM

Im guessing your translator isnt that amazing

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:45 PM

its just google

thats the easiest to get to quickly

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:46 PM

I use https://www.deepl.com/

DeepL Translate

Use the free DeepL Translator to translate your texts with the best machine translation available, powered by DeepL’s world-leading neural network technology. Currently supported languages are: Bulgarian, Chinese, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, P...

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:46 PM

effort

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:46 PM

Здравствуйте, это я McTsTs, создатель бота-оборотня, и я здесь, чтобы сказать, что я постоянно деактивирую бота, чтобы осуществить свою мечту стать инвестором на фондовом рынке.

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:46 PM

but my english=>russian is without either google or deepl

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:47 PM

are you abusing a russian person?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:47 PM

no I'm using Crowdford

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:47 PM

its how i abuse adri if im too lazy to google translate something spanish

AHAHAHAHAHHA

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:47 PM

which is why I'm limited to ToG lines

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

have i translated mourner to lolcat?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

well

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

ToG?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

technically

Вы оказались на изолированном острове посреди океана.

ToG!!

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

ToG!!!!

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

my magnum opus

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

Tog

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

what is ToG?

Art Reviewer 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

Pog

Mr. Square the Checker 29-Apr-21 06:48 PM

Oh is it a map you made Ts?

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

https://www.crowdford.com/maps/tales_of_glarthford/

Tales of Glarthford - Maps - Crowdford

There are still many stories to be told!

yeah

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

"Waarom... Waarom moeten mensen sterven... Ik wou dat ze terug tot leven gewekt konden worden. Nee, dat slaat nergens op. Ik krijg nooit iemand terug."

Talented Scientist 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

I wish I had a trailer to show it

but Ds is lazy

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

Archer the Auditor "Waarom... Waarom moeten mensen sterven... Ik wou dat ze terug tot leven gewekt konden worden. Nee, dat slaat nergens op. Ik krijg nooit iemand terug."

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

e\

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

e\

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

that doenst sound good

Archer the Auditor 29-Apr-21 06:49 PM

it does

"if only" isn't really translatable in dutch

without it sounding horrible

Lab Android 29-Apr-21 06:50 PM

yea