Queerwolves Revamped - event-solo-leveling

@Pampas Fox has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 1 @Pampas Fox

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Added @Cape Fox to the CC!

Hi

@Event Host I would like to ask you to please designate this as an event cc, thanks

Promoted @Cape Fox!

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Demoted @Pampas Fox!

Im also a fox

Yes

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That's the reason why I cc'd you

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What's your stat spread like?

80 20

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You can math that my content should be pretty high

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Are you leaking this

No

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We only have one cc

If anyone recruits me ill leave

I'm also leaving bass pack

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I wanted to avoid having to use Abandon pack action though

Yours is better than mine

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My power is not good

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Turtle buffed it mid game

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Still pretty not good though

Cape Fox

You can math that my content should be pretty high

Must be nice to have 87 contentment

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Pack literally needs 90 AW to recruit you

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So you're effectively immune now

Cape Fox

My power is not good

Can you tell me

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I already told everyone what mine is

I can forage solo

That's

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Um

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That's the buffed one??

Idk

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But it only works if im in pack

????

And im 80 20 stats

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So like its a nothing power

Aren't you lone wolf

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Wait 80 is Aw or Lw?

Lw is 80

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You know im fox

Yeah

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But then you don't have to be in pack

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The power explicitly says you discard that rule

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That you can forage solo

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That's like getting a free eat every 2 turns no

I can forage alone but only if im in a pack of 2+

A bit more active-based than my more passive power though

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?????

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What in the actual

Normally you need two people to do the action or something

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So yea i basically I have no power

Wait then wouldn't you prefer to stay in pack then

Well i have 80 20

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Id have to transfer knowledge 8 times to have a chance

I didn't start with 80 20

You see the problem?

I was 70 30 and knowledge transfered phase 1

I started with it

So you just

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Ate or rested phase 1

I transfered knowledge

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To be more lone

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And now I eat

Did you know you can go beyond 10 on hunger and health

I didnt

Light

Lone Wolf points: 80

Alpha Wolf points: 20

+

Hunger: 11

Health: 10

Contentment score: 27.00 (- 30.50) Buff Pampas foxes are known to be strongly omnivorous and eat most anything, allowing you to use the "eat" action once every 5 phases for free (i.e. without using an action)!

What is considered hungry

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So ill probably have to eat again to get to 12 before I do the last knowledge transfer

0 hunger

Do i even have a chance at winning

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Probably not

You do

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I ran the numbers before bass recruited me

Aren't packs just gonna win

Lone wolf can easily get 300+ contentment

Do i eat before they recruit

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Or after

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I did my action early

If your contentment is beyond 90 they literally can't recruit you anymore this early

Well my hunger isnt max

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So

Cape Fox

I did my action early

Doesn't matter it's phase change based

Cape Fox

Well my hunger isnt max

They'd need 90 10 spread still to recruit you

Once I get max lone

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I just eat every phase?

Yeah

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Eat or rest doesn't matter

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It's the same multiplier

Thanks for the advice

Lone wolves have to work together

There is a few other foxes

Signed Up Players | Total: 19

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- matstress (@Maned Wolf)

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- kalimoor (@Coyote)

- hendawy361 (@Hoary Fox)

- captainluffy (@Cape Fox)

- acothy (@Algonquin Wolf)

- theoceancookie (@Crab-eating Fox)

- neoimperium (@Island Fox)

- lightpulp (@Pampas Fox)

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- basscy (@Bush Dog)

- jeand.arch (@African Wild Dog)

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- phantomtomicbomb (@Fennec Fox)

- ddd8000 (@Domestic Dog)

- sinisfuel (@aerosol) (edited)

By night 5 you'd have 327 contentment

Domestic dog is probably lone too

Pack doesn't actually get too high numbers

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By night 5 a max 100 AW pack with 5 wolves in pack

Did you know tanuki are canines

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I thought they were more raccoon

Would have 262 contentment

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According to excel

Isnt it smarter for alpha to go after alpha early

Yeah

Because you want pack elders to be alpha

That way they also decapitate other pack's leader

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Making the placements go from 1st to 3rd highest to 2nd to 4th highest

I feel like kal is going after me

Making the pack weaker and easier to attack

Also swurtle is playing

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She is jackal

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Bro

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Hosts forgot im reverse mentoring swurtle

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She air dropped at night phase

Lol

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Should I add them here too then

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Well this isnt a game cc

Shes playing the event too

Yeah but youre not reverse mentoring the event

Yea

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I dont know her event info

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I d8dnt ask

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She would probably tell me though

The swurtle whisperer

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Using ooc to gain in game info

Was something said there

Where

Ooc

I cant even cc swurtle

Lmao

Shes not my mentor

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She doesnt join my ccs

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Shes just in my sc

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Wait are you able to see bass's actions lol

Yes

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He did it all in the pack chat

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Instead of making an event cc

Whos he recruiting

Not anymore

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He's doing knowledge transfer to screw me over

More alpha?

Well, it doesnt actually affect me

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More alpha yeah

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But more alpha doesnt mean less lone wolf

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Its a flat out boost

How

Because we're in a pack

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If you knowledge transfer while in a pack, the other members get a small boost too

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Average of everyones scores /10

Yea but isnt he also transferring away from lone

Only his own lone

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It's like -10 +17 for him, and just +17 for me

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It doesnt boost the subtraction, aka it doesnt do -17 lone for me

Doesn't that let you become more lone later

Why

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Oh

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True

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I can use knowledge transfer an extra time

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Thanks bass

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So max of 117 lone later

Might have actually helped

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Just dont tell him or he will change his mind

You know the maximal area rules right

The what

Like assume you have the same perimeter

Oh I thought you were still talking about the canine event

The maximum area is when both sides are equal

I was confused like were you talking about maximum health/hunger

Its like grade 10 math

Yeah I know that

So the lone formula

Why

It might help you

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I mean you lose out on a lot of phases alone

?

So maybe its a net loss

What are you talking about

But the 17 extra lone points

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Im talking about math

Yeah

Lone points * phases alone

And you just do knowledge transfer a lot

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And that way increase contentment so you dont get recruited

Actually I guess lone points will be a lot higher

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So its diminishing returns on lone points because of that

?

Phases alone is more valuable as the lower number

I seriously dont get what youre trying to say

Math

Phases alone cant be controlled

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And you want to maximize it

Ok listen

Lone points is also something you want to maximize

Ill explain

Okay

Nvm you came to the same conclusion

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Or wait did you

???

OK anyways let's say

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Theres a total of 100 points distributed between

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Phases alone and lone points

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phases alone × lone points

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That formula

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Is maximized with 50 of each

Your assumption from the start is wrong

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There's no restriction to just 100

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Phases alone will continuously increase, from 1, 2, 3, and so on

Its part of the explanation

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So anyways

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My point is that increasing the lower of the 2 numbers yields more value

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So yes you get 17 more lone points

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But its the less valuable of the 2

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Diminishing returns

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Its already quite diminished

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By being so much higher

So yeah, leave pack as soon as you can

Sorry if my explanation was bad

Kal is recruiting bass so by default I'd be left alone in the pack

You understand now right

And thus use the lone formula

Do you keep your own pack chat

Cape Fox

You understand now right

Rather than "understand", I didn't even think this needed explaining because it was so obvious?

Pampas Fox

Rather than "understand", I didn't even think this needed explaining because it was so obvious?

You seemed confused

I was confused at why this needed to be brought up

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Like it's like explaining that the higher your points the higher your chance of winning gets

I feel like most people might not have realized on their own

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I was explaining that days alone is more important than lone points

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With math

Also btw I misread the instruction

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For bass its not -10 +17

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It's -10 +10 still

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I just get a +7

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So our exchange becomes Bass

AW +10
LW -10 +7 Light
AW -10 +7
LW +10

Also wouldnt all lone players have tied points at the end

Considering LW is used in the contentment calculation Bass loses out more than he gains

Cape Fox

Also wouldnt all lone players have tied points at the end

Buffs change a bit

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Like how I get a free +3 food every 5 phases

Considering I have no buffs

You're guaranteed to lose then

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Yup

Also you get free food

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But that doesnt change your final points

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If you played the same as everyone else

It does because the contentment average is used as the baseline

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So I'd have a higher average than the bare minimum lone wolf

Oh right its average not final result

Pampas Fox

So I'd have a higher average than the bare minimum lone wolf

Although bass already screwed me over though

Ok so I have no chance most likely

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Assuming people dont mess up

Yeah

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You cant win as lone wolf

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And you'd be bad as pack

Well i cant win as alpha either

Compare your foraging output to bass

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Who can multiply foraging result by x2

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You got dealt a bad hand

Yea but he needs 2 people to do foraging right

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I can do it alone

He wants more

But only in a pack

If 3 of them forage that's 12x food

Anti synergy build

You are yes

Unless

All you do is feed someone else

I could forgage as lone

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But I cant

That's what I thought the buff was

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You said it was buffed midgame

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That wasn't it?

No

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The buff was my knowledge transfer is 15 instead of 10

So you get 2 buffs

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Well, 2 small buffs

It let's me become more alpha

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But I didnt want to

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So basically nothing

You'd be a bad alpha anyway

Makes my average slightly higher though

Ah wait

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I meant bad pack leader

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As an alpha you'd be okay ish in pack

It would take forever to be alpha

But like you said

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8 phases

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Or I guess 6 phases since its 15

By then id just be eaten up by someone

Hm

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That's fine isnt it

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Get absorbed into pack

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Then knowledge transfer every phase

Well i still cant win

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Unless im elder or leader

Sure but you could get elder

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If you start as early as now

Even then elder is uncertain

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Elder might still lose

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If theres multiple packs

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Or strong lones

Strong lones don't matter

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Lones can't attack

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And don't want to attack anyway

It matters cuz top 3 win

Attacking means getting the losers into your pack

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It doesn't add points

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It adds to contentment

Yea but basically

Recruiting gives +5 extra points

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Attacking doesn't

Let's say theres 2 strong lones

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Then only 1 person in pack will win

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And itll be pack leader

Oh wait nvm

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It does

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It's just a bit messy

I feel like 3 winners is too small

Cape Fox

Then only 1 person in pack will win

Not if the pack increases economic output to outpace lones

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Because of the knowledge transfer buffing

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By end game pack leaders and elders could have like 300 AW

But anyone not elder cant win so theres sure to be some uncooperativeness

That's neither here nor there for me

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So I didn't put much thought into it

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I'm strictly lone wolf

And aw doesnt matter

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It doesnt change your points

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Its recruiting only

We don't know what pack leader buffs have

If anyone recruits me ill dox them and leave

Same as I did?

Yea

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But as a preemptive threat

Then a word of advice

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Don't say it

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Don't let them know

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Instead, make a cc with everyone except them

Would they still recruit me if they knew id do that

And that's where you dox it

Cape Fox

Would they still recruit me if they knew id do that

Don't let them know

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If they ever do that then it's -points for them because they're losing

No they should know

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So they dont recruit me in the first place

Renamed channel from solo-leveling to solo-leveling!

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Renamed channel from solo-leveling to event-solo-leveling!

Why the name choice btw

We're solo lone wolves

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And we're leveling

Whats bass gonna do now

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Im wondering if next phase i should knowledge transfer or eat

It's hard to win as lone wolf tbh

More boring too

Especially when you practically don't have powers

Cape Fox

More boring too

Yeah, your options are just eat, rest, or knowledge transfer

Well to be fair

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Im playing near optimally

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If i lose with optimal gameplay then its not my fault

What's your contentment at right now

78

.......

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How is that optimal in any way

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That's so low

9 hunger

You focused on eating instead of knowledge transfering?

So it could be 81 if I had 10

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You get 25 points from hunger

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Remember the maximal area thing

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Hunger is the smaller number

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Its more important

I see the issue now

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Because my scores in the sheet are skewed because first phase I both ate and did knowledge transfer

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So maybe 78 is the normal value

When I knowledge transfered turn one

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I lost contentment actually

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Cuz my hunger went to 8

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So I realized 2 hunger is more important than 1 knowledge transfer

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Did you realize that

Yeah

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I was fiddling with the numbers on my excel, on which action combos would give me the greatest (maximal)

Now im wondering if I should wait for 11 food or 12 before I kt again

I could have even done 2 eats phase 1

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But it resulted in lower numbers in the long run

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It was a difference of 82 vs 83 in the second phase, then by phase 5 it was the difference between 188 and 134

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Well none of that mattered because bass absorbed me

Can you promise not to share my stats

No

Ill share if you do

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Ok

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Nevermind then

Don't trust anyone

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You're so quick to share stuff

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Not that I'm one to speak

You shared first

That's why

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$cc

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That's why I demoted myself and promoted you

We're friends so I dont mind sharing with you

Ooc stuff

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Although not werewolf this is still a game so

Its an org so friendship typically plays a factor

Yooo im at 100 contentment rn

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Im safe

I'm at 34...

What should I do

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Kt or eat

Use your maximal technique to decide

Are you still with bass

Sigh my contentment score is not back to normal yet

Its so high now

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I just eat every phase I guess