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I'm booooored

04:47

Wanna do a 3f3

Hi bored im naruto

05:01

I don't think a 3f3 is a strategically good decision most timez

I mean, yeah

05:12

What do you suggest

I guess theres nothing to do rn

05:13

The main roles need to make some moves!

05:13

What sharl said was worrying

Which one

05:26

If you could link to it

05:28

The thing about enchanted?

Ya

I don't see the reason for worry

05:34

I don't mean "no reason to worry", no

05:34

I mean "I am blind to how this is a reason to worry"

He said something like flutes throw in names of people they wanna yeet

05:35

Presumably this one is a town

Ohh right, the flutes can talk with the enchanted

05:37

Let me reread their thing

05:38

Okay so

05:38

Flute charmer saw a townie role

05:38

And sent it in enchanted chat

05:38

And all 4 of them saw it

05:39

So if any of them is a wolf then they can "work together" to out that role

05:39

That's what sharl is saying huh

05:41

...it's not limited to just the enchanted four...

05:41

@Uzumaki Naruto Do you mind if I add sharl here

You didnt read the role before?

05:42

Sure but im sleeping soon

I didn't really understand what it did before

05:42

Until you pointed it out

05:42

Shouldn't sharl go public with this info then?

Idk, theres 4 people there right

The "certain townie role" would have to be a non cit non assistant role right

Did they all agree not to say

So either oracle, assassin, alcoholic, or bartender

05:43

Ah town crier too

Probably not alco

Because wolves can't out them right?

Cuz they would have said so already

05:44

Its something they dont wanna say

Or rather, shouldn't sharl at least say what the role is, even if not the person

Ye probably

Either oracle, assassin, or bartender will die tonight (edited)

05:44

If that's the case

05:44

Oops I meant or

But ts and krem saw it too

05:44

I forgot the 4th person

Kruthers

Right

05:45

Whyd they not say anything

05:45

Makes me townread sharl

Yeah, so we should add sharl here then?

Yea

The only one who even talked about it

Its a towny move

Added @Roche Braziliano to the CC!

And scummy move for the other 3

Hello sharl, allow us to confirm some things. Flute charmer checked a role. That role is either oracle, assassin, or bartender. They sent the player and the role in enchanted chat. They want wolves to get rid of that townie role. Is that right?

05:47

@Roche Braziliano

05:49

If yes to all, then it's likely one of those three are dying to wolf tonight, right? Couldn't you tell us - heck, maybe even publicly tell everyone? - what role it is?

05:50

Btw, this is not TT or anything. I just random rolled luffy to have someone to talk to. If that makes you wary of telling us the info, I get it

But if they die it means one of 4 is in pack or contact with pack

But both of us townread you for even pointing out this convo in enchanted chat while the other three didn't

Uzumaki Naruto

But if they die it means one of 4 is in pack or contact with pack

The issue becomes if us asking about it in the first place makes the info break containment and spread out

05:52

Or rather, wouldn't the towny play here be to CC that exposed player and tell them they're likely dying tonight because their role is exposed to wolves?

05:53

In case of oracle, they'd public claim and send all their info in town square. In case of assassin, they'll do a blind kill within the 4 enchanted. In case of bartender, they'll set up tt and start asking for claims.

05:53

That's how I see it happening

Im surprised you didnt figure out what sharl was putting down until I said anything

I always thought flutes were lame

05:54

I've just now changed my mind on them

05:54

With this strat they're doing

Not lame anymore?

Uzumaki Naruto

Im surprised you didnt figure out what sharl was putting down until I said anything

It doesn't help that it wasn't even made a priority discussions in town square

05:55

I literally had to search sharls message, it was buried

I wonder why people didnt care

05:55

I was in dnd at the time I think

Maybe we should go more public with this

05:56

Instead of keeping it in cc

05:56

We could wait for sharl to reply first

This message?

05:56

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1505174694947455096/1505693819016974567

But it's also a good idea to start thinking about why the other 3 didn't say anything

Oh wait this

05:57

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1505174694947455096/1505692574114123787

Yeah

05:57

That

05:57

The first one you linked almost sounds like they haven't done it yet

05:57

But the second link (which is actually earlier) outright says it's been done

05:57

And that's an issue

05:59

If there's more than just sharl in enchanted who's town, then they'd support the info

05:59

Or rather there's no reason for any of the enchanted to fake it

05:59

Since doing so just outs them as a liar and a potential pack

I mean whats the point in lying

06:00

New people get added every night

That too

06:00

But it's important for this night specifically

06:00

Because we might lose a strong role right now

06:00

When we don't even have a TT

Did sharl give any other hints

I'm not good at reads

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1505174694947455096/1505694112114933854

I mean, if we can ask sharl directly it'd be better

06:02

Is there any reason NOT to at least say what the role the flute charmer found is?

06:02

Hmmm

Something that cooks town

Flute charmer lies?

To be fair flute could be lying

Like for example flute charmer found a horseman and tells enchanted chat it's an oracle/assassin/bartender

06:03

And if we reveal that then the REAL town role outs themselves

06:03

That could be bad

06:04

I think the cc plan is our best bet here

06:05

Have the enchanteds cc the outed player, say the role the flute charmer found them as, and they can decide if its real or not and out themselves before wolves kill them

Would flutes even want horseman dead

06:07

And it doesnt work if they found a wolf

So you think there's a small chance of it being a lie

06:07

That's worse

Could be a citizen or something

That's only something the player outed knows

Would wolves risk the kill knowing that

They absolutely would

06:09

Due to tanner and psychopath and flutes, they're mostly aiming their kills blind right

06:09

This kind of help would be something they'd appreciate

True

06:09

But do wolves even need help lol

This at least removes the possibility of kal being flute team

Not reallt

If flute charmer is still active there's 2 of them

There was a d0 check

Ah hm

06:11

And they delayed it until they got 4 enchanteds?

06:11

To increase chance of having a scum in their thing

When do you think it was posted

Posted?

The message

06:11

Or messages

Sharl hasn't said anything about it when they were enchanted n1

06:12

And sharl and kruthers were the first ones

Yea probably after

So it must be at start of n2 right

06:12

Or during d1

06:12

Since it's an immediate check

Might have been during d1

Yeah

06:12

Hm

Kal probably town

We can't use it to check ts and krem's actions huh

06:13

I was gonna say we could read who ts was pushing based on the info they saw

06:13

But ts was only enchanted after d1

06:13

So couldn't be it

06:13

And sharl and kruthers didn't really say anything about it too

06:14

Until sharl did, obv

Yeah

06:15

Well

06:15

If it was d1

06:15

I feel like its optimal to cc the person

Maybe they ran out of cc

06:15

And had to wait for d1 to end

06:15

Would you mind doing a participant ping for it

06:16

With all the explanation and stuff

06:16

Or I could do it if you're really sleepy

That would go against my longevity playstyle

What

You know

06:16

My playstyle

06:17

That keeps me alive all the time

I mean, I do a lot of crazy stunts and I also stay alive long

06:17

Mostly because I get seen as a UA

Yea you're different

Alright

06:18

I'll do it then

06:18

Hmph

06:18

Coward

Tbh maybe dying is optimal sometimes

06:18

When not an important role

I can't wait for sharl they might already be asleep

But I still prefer living

You don't mind if I take all the credit then?

The town credit?

You say your longevity playstyle requires you to stay out of sight

06:19

So I shouldn't mention you in my ping

But then it makes me look sus

Like explaining the thing

Which is also anti longevity

Uzumaki Naruto

But then it makes me look sus

Why so?

06:19

I'm not adding people here

06:19

I'm pinging in town square, explaining the enchanted thing

Ok ill disregard the playstyle

06:20

Let me think

06:20

Who would be more influential

06:20

Between us

I will say, as much as I'm not proud of it, I've already made a lot of flaws in my argument and had to be treated like a young player just d1 alone

06:21

It did make people think I may be towny but it does not make me credible

Hendy was against me for some reason

06:21

When I was explaining what I thought was the optimal strategy

I... don't even think I've seen hendy talk this game

06:21

Did I miss a page

Yea i said we shouldnt waste a kill and lynch

06:21

And he was strongly saying to wait for tomorrow

06:22

To figure stuff out

06:22

And we argued a bit

Oh it was during the time I was asleep

06:22

No wonder

06:22

Just checked

And no one paid me much mind

06:22

Even though i do believe it was the best strategy

I said that as well actually

06:23

That we should pick a lynch

Like why wait until d2

Early in the d1 phase

We dont have any roles that only work on d2

I didn't get ignored though, I mostly just got pushed away because I couldn't come up with a target

06:23

I was just yelling "we should lynch we should lynch" from their perspective

Maybe we should wait then

?

Too many people went to sleep

06:24

We waited too long

Think of the worst case scenario

Ok wait

waiting

Oracle bartender assassin

06:25

Wouldnt sharl have cc'd it

06:25

And that person chose to remain silent

Maybe they haven't thought of it yet

06:25

And by participant pinging about it, it involves the other 3 enchanteds too

Ok let's go through the options

To do the same if they're town

If its oracle

06:25

Maybe sharl has the info

06:26

And can add people to the cc after

06:26

If they did

06:26

Die

And why would the oracle trust sharl

Or at least trust someone

Any of the enchanted could do it

If it's bartender

Including pack

We could do a tt

06:27

But its late in the phase

06:27

Not enough time left

Which is exactly why we should do it as early as possible

If it was at phase start

06:27

Then it would be great

Because if we say "oh its too late" then when they die it really will be too late

OK and third

06:27

Assassin

06:27

I dont know if there's that much we can do with that

A blind kill on the enchanteds

06:28

Just out of spite

If I suggest a kill

06:28

Won't we be seen as scum

No

06:28

We don't suggest a kill

06:28

We let the assassin decide because they're dying anyway

06:28

And we're just as clueless as them

I would kill ts

06:28

Hes too smart to be quiet here

Who is one of the enchanteds, yes

06:29

I was trying to nudge towards that direction without being too on the nose

06:29

And anyway none of this gets started unless we do the ping and have one of the enchanteds cc the revealed player

Is anyone of the 4 online

Nope

06:30

None of them

Ok so of the 4 options

06:30

There is some play there

06:30

But here's the problem

4 options?

I mean 3

06:30

Theres 4 players lol

06:30

Mixed it up

06:30

Anyways

06:30

The bartender option

06:31

What if the person isnt on to confirm they are bartender

06:31

Like someone sleeping

I mean, that applies to all of them

Then they really will die

No I meant the assumption is already that the revealed role will die

06:32

And if none of them were awake then yes they will die

But they might not

?

I mean the revealed player may live

06:33

But if we do that they will die

06:33

Which might be futile if they are sleeping

???

06:33

What are we doing

06:33

Like what's the action we're doing

I would leave it tbh

We're going to ping and explain the enchanted issue, and ask the enchanteds to cc

We're gonna be called as scum if we expose the player

How will that lead to a sleeping player dying as opposed to not getting pinged

06:34

We are not exposing the player

06:34

The enchanteds will cc them

Oh

We don't know who the player is

I thought you wanted the name in public

Just the role

Ok it should be fine then

06:34

Cuz we are just asking for a cc

Yeah

06:35

And I could even give my cc if they for some reason don't have one

06:35

I just random rolled two people and used my ccs on you and puzzle

06:35

It's a good thing you gave a more fruitful discussion than the more boring 3f3 I initially suggested lmao

Was puzzle talkative

Nope, asleep

06:36

Asking 3f3 to an alcohol claim is uselss anyway lol

Have we ever strategized before in wwr

I just went through with it anyway because the random roll said so

Other than when we did wolfpack together

D-do you not count that as strategizing...?

Yea wolfpacks strategize

06:37

Mostly claim organization though

06:37

And kill discussion

Are you still good on time

06:37

I'm about to go eat lunch

I mean

06:38

Im tired but yea let's finish this

The plan of action is

Ok let's see the draft messagw

You ping participant about the problem of enchanteds being shown a townie role by the flute charmer, and a call to action for enchanteds to cc the outed player.

06:39

Oh no I can't write the draft

I can write it

It'd reek of my writing style

06:40

And they might say it's a wolfpack effort

Ill have to get on my computer tho

Couldn't you do it on phone?

More cumbersome

06:41

ok i pulled out my laptop

06:41

i just type way faster on computer

Well it does involve like, 8 more fingers than phone typing

youre welcome btw

06:41

i changed my playstyle

06:41

for this

And if you die for it you'll say "i told you soooo"

yea probably

So sorry in advance

i prefer people not to notice my contributions

06:42

as much

06:42

ok typing tyime

06:46

me and lightpulp discussed the game and we realized the danger of the flute thing sharl talked about. we came to the conclusion its probably the role of oracle, bartender, or assassin. but if any of these roles are going to die tonight, theres a plan of action we can do for each of them. and no we dont need to expose it to the public, someone enchanted can cc them. For oracle we could get the investigation results before they die, which is quite useful info For bartender... (i forgot what they will do) For assassin they can at least get a kill off, maybe blind shoot into one of the enchanted idk

06:46

(after writing this out it doesnt seem like a great plan anymore)

That's

06:47

It's not really clear tbh

what was teh bartender plan again

06:48

doesnt it only work if we expose the person

They will have to out themselves early if so

yeah idk about that part

Besides just the first paragraph is the important one

it may be unoptimal

We're still working with assumptions here

06:51

But the ping's main purpose is to inform everyone that town might be cooked because of it

me and lightpulp discussed the game and we realized the danger of the flute thing sharl talked about. we came to the conclusion its probably the role of oracle, bartender, or assassin. but if any of these roles are going to die tonight, theres a plan of action we can do for each of them. and no we dont need to expose it to the public, someone enchanted can cc them. If they know they are likely to die, they can at least do something if they want to first

06:51

how about this

It's just a reiteration of sharl's frankly not-so-desperate message

06:51

"What's the flute thing sharl talked about""

right

06:51

right

06:51

i cant assume people actually read

Ouch?

loll

06:52

sorry that came out worse than i meant

06:52

remove the actually part

You might be tired

06:52

I'm almost done with lunch so if you want I can just do it after all?

me and lightpulp discussed the game and we realized the danger of the flute thing sharl talked about. which was the a flute exposed an important town. we came to the conclusion its probably the role of oracle, bartender, or assassin. but if any of these roles are going to die tonight, theres a plan of action we can do for each of them. and no we dont need to expose it to the public, someone enchanted can cc them. If they know they are likely to die, they can at least do something if they want to first

06:53

sure that might be better

06:53

my body yearns for sleep

Could you stay up a bit longer just enough to read through my draft

of course

06:54

sunk cost fallacy has already hit me

Ive been staring at this for 20min now

@.Participant Flute Charmer may have just told Wolves who our Oracle, Assassin, or Bartender is. Here's what we can do about it. -# - Author: Lightpulp -# - Editor: Luffy Sharl, one of the four Enchanted players (along with Kruthers, Krem, and Ts), said that Flute Charmer (an investigative role) checked a "certain townie" and has revealed it to the Enchanted chat. https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1505174694947455096/1505692574114123787 If any of the four Enchanted players is a wolf, then Flutes just gave them a very good killing target for tonight. It would have been "okay" if it was "just" an Assistant, a Citizen, or even Town Crier. But what if it was an Oracle, or Assassin, or Bartender? We'd be losing a strong role tonight without them even knowing about it. We'd lose all of Oracles' checks, or waste an Assassin's kill, or a TT with Bartender. As far as we know, none of them are in contact with TT, because we don't have a TT yet. Any one of their deaths is devastating to town's victory condition. And we can't stop wolves from targeting them. At all. There's just one thing left for us to do. The Enchanteds (again that's Sharl, Kruthers, Krem, and Ts) should CC the player revealed in the Enchanted chat, telling them what role they were seen as. An Oracle would receive a CC saying they were revealed as Oracle, an Assassin to the same, and the same for Bartender. This would make it clear that they are COMPROMISED. It's out there now. There's no escape. Sure, there's a small chance that all four of the Enchanteds are townies who won't kill the outed player, but remember that Flute adds two Enchanteds every night. It's permanently there, in that chat, for any scum to see it.

Tbh if its town crier thats pretty bad too

07:13

Its our ideal tt for tomorrow

07:13

Actually wait wouldnt it be good

07:13

Because wolves cant counter claim town crier if it dies

So what should the compromised player do? Here are our suggestions.

Oracle: Publicly send all your checks to Town Square. You can wait until the very last moment of the phase change if you want.
Assassin: Blindly kill one of the Enchanteds. They didn't reveal this information, despite it being town-destroying. Only Sharl did so, and even that wasn't given much priority nor discussion. If Assassin is going to die tonight, might as well kill a likely wolf scum within those four Enchanteds.
Bartender: Reveal yourself and form TT right now. Tonight. Start claim collecting because you're the only mechanically-confirmable town and you're dying tonight. Set up a successor.

07:14

I ran out of characters

07:14

I have a 2000 limit, the default one

I love how you say the same things as me but like in ten times as much words

Uzumaki Naruto

Tbh if its town crier thats pretty bad too

Town crier is easily fakeable with warlock

Not easily

07:15

Theres 2 assistants and like a crap load of disguises (edited)

Uzumaki Naruto

I love how you say the same things as me but like in ten times as much words

Do you want to trim it down? You're credited as editor

07:17

If possible I want to make it just one message

The last paragraph is a bit unnecessary

I'm still over 150 chars

You can probably remove paragraph 2 as well

07:17

Or i guess its 3

Which one

The part with assistant and cutizen stufg

@.Participant

Flute Charmer may have just told Wolves who our Oracle, Assassin, or Bartender is. Here's what we can do about it.

-# - Author: Lightpulp -# - Editor: Luffy Sharl, one of the four Enchanted players (along with Kruthers, Krem, and Ts), said that Flute Charmer (an investigative role) checked a "certain townie" and has revealed it to the Enchanted chat. https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1505174694947455096/1505692574114123787 If any of the four Enchanted players is a wolf, then Flutes just gave them a very good killing target for tonight. What if it was an Oracle, or Assassin, or Bartender? We'd be losing a strong role tonight without them even knowing about it. We'd lose all of Oracles' checks, or waste an Assassin's kill, or a TT with Bartender. We don't have a TT yet. Any one of their deaths is devastating to town's victory condition. There's just one thing left for us to do. The Enchanteds (again that's Sharl, Kruthers, Krem, and Ts) should CC the player revealed in the Enchanted chat, telling them what role they were seen as. An Oracle would receive a CC saying they were revealed as Oracle, an Assassin to the same, and the same for Bartender. This would make it clear that they are COMPROMISED. So what should the compromised player do? Here are our suggestions.

Oracle: Publicly send all your checks to Town Square. You can wait until the very last moment of the phase change if you want.
- Assassin: Blindly kill one of the Enchanteds. They didn't reveal this information, despite it being town-destroying. Only Sharl did so, and even that wasn't given much priority nor discussion. If Assassin is going to die tonight, might as well kill a likely wolf scum within those four Enchanteds.
- Bartender: Reveal yourself and form TT right now. Tonight. Start claim collecting because you're the only mechanically-confirmable town and you're dying tonight. Set up a successor.

(edited)

Nice 1 message

07:19

Who would read that whole thing though

The good players, hopefully

Its funny though how my sucky message had almost the same amount of information

07:21

Ok yea you can send

I find it easier to read when it's written the way I wrote it

07:21

Allows me to follow the thought process

Yea you formatted it

That might just be me though

In a more readable way

Yours doesn't insult the player's intelligence

07:22

It expects them to get it the first time

07:22

Mine is more... spoon feedy

Yea i mean I left out stuff people can figure out themself

From my experience though when people are pinged they just read the ping (and sometimes not even that!) and ask "whats going on"

Annoying when that happens

07:24

Anyways

07:24

You can send it

07:24

I think we waited too long

07:24

But at least we did something

Did some last minute edits

Now I sleep

07:27

Good job

You could add a

07:27

Hehe

07:27

You could add your version as a tl';dr

Add a Hehe?

No

07:28

The draft

I think anyone who would read that would also read yours

07:29

My eyelids are heavy

07:29

Goodnight

Jessie

Hello sharl, allow us to confirm some things. Flute charmer checked a role. That role is either oracle, assassin, or bartender. They sent the player and the role in enchanted chat. They want wolves to get rid of that townie role. Is that right?

we know the role btw. They gave that. I did not know if I should say that out publically. There were also 3 other ppl in the chat, so I assumed at least one of the would jump in and give moe info as they see fit

Why did ts say nothing

15:10

I think its unlike him

really?

15:52

I've not been following

Did ts say anything in enchanted at least

Uzumaki Naruto

Did ts say anything in enchanted at least

Nope

22:00

nothing

22:03

big question

22:03

why was I added here?

Light added you

22:04

Neither of us are owners

oh

22:04

lmao

22:04

was light bartender fr?

22:04

cuz idt bartender has spoken

I dont know but it would explain why he did all this

22:04

If you read back

22:05

I didnt suspect him at all tbj

Uzumaki Naruto

If you read back

I read like half of it

Whyd you stop

Cuz it was a lot and I had stuff to do

So did flutes lie or something

22:10

What happened

Jessie

We let the assassin decide because they're dying anyway

what was this about?

Uzumaki Naruto

So did flutes lie or something

probably?

Roche Braziliano

what was this about?

@Uzumaki Naruto

The plan if flutes leaked assassin

ah

22:15

light didn't do his side of the efe claim?

Whats a efe claim

3f3

Neither of us did lol

22:16

How come none of the other enchanted said anything

22:16

That's why me and light trusted you

kruthers didnt say anything either?

Yea no one mentioned the flute stuff

22:17

When did it happen

so right before phase change

22:17

they said it, phase ended, and immediately 2 new ppl were enchanted

22:18

wait nvm, it was a couple of hours before phase chang,e but I saw it very late

22:18

both Kruthers and I just went "huh"

22:18

but then they did early enchant, and I ralised I needed to let town know

Would have been nice to do during day

22:19

So we had something to talk about

unfortunately , I saw it late and didn't think much of it at the time, but as soon as phase changed, I saw 2 new enchants and my brain woke up

How did you not think much of it lol

it was laate night. Bran does not always function fine

And how did ts krem and kruthers not think much of it either

you're a computer science student. You're probably used to your brain randomly shutting off and then getting back up out of nowhere when you have deadlines coming up

Uzumaki Naruto

And how did ts krem and kruthers not think much of it either

now that's the bigger question. They had a long time to talk about it after I outed it

My brains always running at high power

Uzumaki Naruto

My brains always running at high power

No STEM student can ever claim this. It is a lie

22:23

one must not tell lies ~~professor umbridge~~ Captain Luffy

Ok its not always at 100%

22:24

But i dont think its ever low

I need hosts to dig out lore of you messing up at some game

22:24

to disprove your claims

I don't think i ever slipped before in an embarrassing way

Roche Braziliano

No STEM student can ever claim this. It is a lie

Also idk if i ever told you but im doing a career shift

ooooh

22:28

to?

Education

Jessie

And if you die for it you'll say "i told you soooo"

Told you so. Ngl I thought you got killed cuz you were bartender but maybe it was because of that

So how's it going sharl

going ig

22:47

why?

Just making conversation