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Wolfpack

Basics

The wolfpack is a group consisting out of most (but not all) werewolf roles. Each night, the wolfpack votes to attack one player. Most members of the wolfpack are lycans. The wolfpack may also contain traitors. Some other roles may be in the wolfpack as well if they started out as a member of the wolfpack and then transformed into another role.

Members

Werewolves AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

Alpha Wolf BloodyButcher

BloodyButcher

Bloody Butcher CorruptWolf

CorruptWolf

Corrupt Wolf CultistWolf

CultistWolf

Cultist Wolf (T)

Direwolf

Direwolf

HowlingWolf

Howling Wolf InfectingWolf

InfectingWolf

Infecting Wolf KnowledgeableWolf

KnowledgeableWolf

Knowledgeable Wolf PsychicWolf

PsychicWolf

Psychic Wolf PackTanner

PackTanner

Pack Tanner SaboteurWolf

SaboteurWolf

Saboteur Wolf ScaredWolf

ScaredWolf

Scared Wolf SneakingWolf

SneakingWolf

Sneaking Wolf TrackingWolf

TrackingWolf

Tracking Wolf Wolf

Wolf

Wolf

WolfCub

Wolf Cub Ferocious Wolf HorrifyingWolf

HorrifyingWolf

Horrifying Wolf RitualistWolf

RitualistWolf

Ritualist Wolf Traitors CupidWolf

CupidWolf

Cupid Wolf (T) WhiteWerewolf

WhiteWerewolf

White Werewolf

15:07

@Meteorit has created #wolfpack.

15:07

@Bernstein has joined #wolfpack.

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@Granat has joined #wolfpack.

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@Feueropal has joined #wolfpack.

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@Tsavorit has joined #wolfpack.

Uh o

Hiii @Meteorit

Hiii

Woof woof

Woof

I'm scared wolf

Psychic

15:15

We dont have www apparently

I'm yapper wolf

Vanilla

Im a normal Wolf

Coolio

Oof kal instant claiming

15:23

Is he baiting or is he trying to make us think he's baiting

Townsfolk (11)

Citizen (4) -
Journalist (2) -
Runner - Arch
Exorcist -
Fortune Teller -
Mad Scientist -
Priest -

Werewolves (6)

Howling Wolf - Bass (Bernstein)
Psychic Wolf - Fed (Feueropal)
Scared Wolf - Ts (Tsavorit)
Tanner -
Wolf (2) - mgp (Meteorit) [claiming runner], ghost (Granat)

Solo (2)

Pyromancer (2) -

Unaligned (1)

Psychopath -

Unaccounted (#)

~~Kalimoor~~

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15:24

I think he's baiting

Or is he trying to make us think that the trying to make us things he's baitimg

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Granat

I think he's baiting

This feels to basic for kal tbh

Following up with Yuki like that is so agressive of a play though

What the fuck

I'm in mad scientist chat with sinisfuel and sharle

15:26

Sin has claimed mad scientist

You need to claim ms

Like very soon or now?

Should I ctc runner

15:33

tempted...

15:35

@Tsavorit

I don't know

15:35

Why not?

15:35

No clue

im out of the meta

15:36

Me too

Wait, I'm confused by the laboratory explanation for mad scientist

15:37

The Laboratory contains the Mad Scientist and their two subjects from other teams. The Mad Scientist must choose a subject that will be killed should they die.

15:37

That makes it sound like the MS chooses who dies instead of both of the test subjects dying

This is wrong

I'm claiming ms

15:41

Claim when we have ccs though?

15:41

That's probably better

Hm shouldn't we claim. In laboratory

15:44

Or no?

15:44

Otherwise the other person knows you're a late claimer

I should claim in lab definitely but at the same time I want to play it like I'm the MS in lab no?

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15:47

Wouldn't wolves want to kill MS cause they can get two kills in a row even if it is sacrificing a wolf

Yeah exactly

15:48

Thus imo the town ts should claim ms

15:48

Thus the Wolf also wants to claim ms(???)

There is WAAAY to much going on already

Yeah

15:58

Kal does have a habit of doing that and then sorting out things .,.

Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 17-3-2026 16:00

Is there any reason why I shouldn't be telling you guys what I am

no you can tell us

We know you're howling wolf lol?

Bernstein

Is there any reason why I shouldn't be telling you guys what I am

IDK why but Discord hides your messages and says you are a likely pammer

16:42

idk how to fix

i dont think you can

Ya I'm loud wolf

Oh god town square is active

18:43

Don't think kal is baiting

18:43

I think it's mindgames

18:46

I'll catch up on town square soon

18:46

But maybe valid to kill kal

18:47

Unless he's baiting to make us think he's powerful role that is baiting to not get attacked but actually is a weak role

Granat

I'm in mad scientist chat with sinisfuel and sharle

Is sharl ms then we think

18:47

Or sinis

18:47

I feel like sinis read the test subject hint and thus claimed Ms, maybe

18:47

Seems in character

ive made it home

19:15

okay

19:15

we're screwed

19:15

yuki is the real runner

19:15

kal is doing... something

19:16

it might just be his classic strat of claim retraction and not any sort of baiting mindgames, or it might be baiting to get killed as he expects us to think that he is a powerful role

19:16

But the key point is nobody has counter claimed Runner from wolf side.

Okay. Kal wants to build TT via MS. Can somebody explain how this works

19:26

I mean clearly the town sided test subject (ts) will retract the claim, but this still leaves the wolf MS claim and the real MS

19:26

Oh.

19:26

Right.

19:27

Okay. I see how it is

19:27

What will happen is that Kal will retract the runner claim leaving only yuki (real runner?) and they'll be confirmed

19:33

public claim = publically stating you are a certain role ctc = counterclaim - when you claim a role that somebody else has already claimed, usually both claims are public claims We have two counterplays:

We ctc Runner. We have already sort of messed this up by all talking in public channels. Only MGP has not yet talked and could pull a believeable ctc
We attack yuki with the expecation that they are the real Runner
- 1m ctc https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466637544919313/1483469924503523458 implies NO prep time.
- I dont think Pyro would do this, that seems risky and there is a team to discuss with. I'm not sure if pyros would've decided strat yet. Also pyro kill isnt awful
  - I don't think Psychopath would do this
  - Would Tanner do this?? ... maybe, they may thing wolves are unlikely to attack a runner claim
Scenario #1: Kal is Runner, Yuki is not -> possible but the instant ctc makes this unlikely

Scenario #2: Kal is not, Yuki is -> most realistic scenario for instant ctc Scenario #3: Neither is -> where is the real runner? We have two non-pack newbies but they both have strong mentors - however strong players will also realize a D0 claim is not necessarily optimal, except raise your trust

19:38

@Participant strategy suggestions:

PW check Yuki for Runner. If Runner attack to make it so Runner cannot guarantee Reporter

either:

send mgp as a runner claim pre-d1

or

have somebody public claim runner d1. Federick seems to be willing to do this and could probably pull it off reasonably enough Let's consider: is there ANY reason a real runner would want to claim D0? This just clearly allows wolfpack to attack them Night 1 (N1) eliminating the advantage of runner before we enter election phases So I think I probably favor the Runner D1 claim strat

19:38

Wait no. Fed definitely should probably not claim Runner he's our strongest role

19:39

Hm. Psychic Wolf (PW) will be useless on the runner claims as Tanner will likely disguise them

19:41

Does anyone see any path to form Town Trusted (TT) that does not rely on reads or on Journalist mechanics?

Granat

I'm in mad scientist chat with sinisfuel and sharle

Wait. That means you're strongly disguised as MS, right?

Verrückter Wissenschaftler [Stadtbewohner Killing]

Basics

The Verrückter Wissenschaftler has two versuchspersons, one player from the stadtbewohner and one werwolf. If killed, their subjects will also die.

Details

At the start of the game, the Verrückter Wissenschaftler is assigned two players, called versuchspersons. The versuchspersons share an additional channel with the Verrückter Wissenschaftler but do not know their identity. When the Verrückter Wissenschaftler dies, they attack both of their versuchspersons. Attacking the versuchspersons is an immediate ability. When the Verrückter Wissenschaftler kills, they are revealed as the Verrückter Wissenschaftler. Both versuchspersons are strongly disguised as the Verrückter Wissenschaftler.

Tsavorit

Wait. That means you're strongly disguised as MS, right?

Yes

Okay

You're gonna have to give me a minute to read all of that

Kal is really out there making me send posts of that length on D0

Granat

Yes

This means, and I have never realized this, that you can not be caught if you need to pivot to another claim as your true role cannot be seen by Fortune Teller (FT)

Tsavorit

Wait no. Fed definitely should probably not claim Runner he's our strongest role

Yea + FT

Scenario #3: Neither is -> where is the real runner? We have two non-pack newbies but they both have strong mentors - however strong players will also realize a D0 claim is not necessarily optimal, except raise your trust Let's consider: is there ANY reason a real runner would want to claim D0? This just clearly allows wolfpack to attack them Night 1 (N1) eliminating the advantage of runner before we enter election phases

So actually if Runner is a somewhat strong player they might be well aware that they should not claim

19:52

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466637544919313/1483470779722109042 what does this mean

Granat

Sin has claimed mad scientist

Can you evaluate how soon sin claimed? And how soon if at all sharl claimed? Or what else was said

Versuchsperson [Extra Group]

Basics

The Versuchsperson is a member of the labor with the verrückter wissenschaftler.

Details

Two Versuchspersons and the verrückter wissenschaftler share the labor secret channel. The Versuchspersons are attacked by the verrückter wissenschaftler if the latter is killed. The Versuchspersons do not know the identity of the verrückter wissenschaftler. Each Versuchsperson is strongly disguised as the verrückter wissenschaftler. Tip: Since one of the subjects is guaranteed to be a wolf, they cannot be allowed to figure out who the real verrückter wissenschaftler is. This means it might be wise to claim to be the verrückter wissenschaftler, even if you are not.

I feel like neither of them is likely to instant claim unprompted. But this is a pretty big hint:

Tip: Since one of the subjects is guaranteed to be a wolf, they cannot be allowed to figure out who the real verrückter wissenschaftler is. This means it might be wise to claim to be the verrückter wissenschaftler, even if you are not.

19:56

But... I realized MS doesnt get the hint themself

I say 'claimed' as in they joking say "I'm the scientist"

hepi

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19:57

It's not definitive proof

19:58

And this happened immediately when the game started

My thought would be that if either of them claims MS they're more likely to be TS and have gotten the claim hint

-# Hope that doesn't break timing meta

I don't think so?

19:58

Okay but then the question is it joke or real?

19:59

Has sharl claimed MS yet?

No

Hm

20:00

I do feel like just based on how sin plays that if they straight up instant claim MS they're probably TS

20:00

But even if accurate idk if that does anything for us

I think runner coming forward and claiming is normal that's what I would do runners the same as like village idiot

but no D0

20:10

if you do it D0 you will be attacked by Wolfpack and then you cannot guarantee a Reporter via D2 election

Possibly I would still claim d0 because of a misplay

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20:11

But kal wouldn't do that

20:11

I'ma howl later in the game I think

yea I think today's too early

Also we can win with pyco path right?

yea

I also want to protect pyro

20:13

I want them to get big ignite

20:14

Should be good for us since less of us to hit

Bernstein

I also want to protect pyro

Only one

20:14

Let a bomb we set off

I think I'm just going to play like Im actually cit and play against you guys so I look normal

Is it worth to gamble on the town TS kill

20:26

I feel like Kal is hiding something

20:26

why does he want Lab to reveal so badly

20:26

It's barely worth it?

20:27

Or is he really just only after the FT advantage

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Amethyst

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit yeen

yeen

- @Kalkoolith

- @Rubin

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Mondstein

- @Topas

- @Kyanit

- @Feueropal

- @Onyx

thight

- @Smaragd

- @Granat

- @Sonnenstein

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- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Meteorit

- @Citrin

22:00

- Random

Who shall i check

lets rand out of everyone, except:

kal (bait?)
yuki (bait?)
sinis (lab)
sharl (lab)
wolves

PW check the person as? Cit and reroll if true(?)

22:02

thoughts?

22:03

kal/yuki/sinis/sharl are all worthless to check, former for tanner, later for strong disguise. i checked public activity and barely anyone has spoken, so not much reads to be made

What does reroll mean

we roll a rand for wolfpack attack

22:03

then you check if they're cit

Oh

its the most valuable check as we dont wanna kill cits

Yea

and it has the highest chance of yes

yes

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If you could do that it would be great (im on phone)

22:04

But i think the plan is good

yup

Signed Up Players | Total: 20

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit) yeen

yeen

- kalimoor (@Kalkoolith)

- yuki_not_cutie (@Rubin)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- matstress (@Mondstein)

- theoceancookie (@Topas)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Smaragd)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

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- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- mgp.eth (@Meteorit)

- sinisfuel (@Citrin) (edited)

Btw, doesnt the tan disguise get announced here

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22:04

Selected @Onyx (

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lol this is the only other person that spoke

22:05

besides the people I mentioned

Feueropal

Btw, doesnt the tan disguise get announced here

nope, that's only Disguised Fox

Oh yea

22:05

So Onyx it is?

you can iso his messages, he has a few

22:06

but I cant make anything out of it

22:06

its mostly nothings, so I guess why not. We can wait for a confirmation from others

Reads like a pr role but idk

Tsavorit

lets rand out of everyone, except:

kal (bait?)
yuki (bait?)
sinis (lab)
sharl (lab)
wolves

PW check the person as? Cit and reroll if true(?)

@Bernstein @Granat thoughts on this? rand-ed Onyx, fed will check for Cit if

we kill if yes

yes

we reroll? or you guys have good reads

Feueropal

Reads like a pr role but idk

idk, its not giving me anything tbh

22:07

but he's one of few people that talked

22:07

but not enough to be TM indicative tbh (edited)

Idk how they type usually but it seemed like they wanted to participate in convos while not attracting attention

yea fair enough

22:08

they talked a bit but didnt say anything significant

22:08

so lets cit check them then

22:08

or if you're awake for long enough we give it some time for ghost/bass to confirm

Yess

Tsavorit

lets rand out of everyone, except:

kal (bait?)
yuki (bait?)
sinis (lab)
sharl (lab)
wolves

PW check the person as? Cit and reroll if true(?)

You're going to have to dumb this down

Tsavorit

@Bernstein @Granat thoughts on this? rand-ed Onyx, fed will check for Cit if

we kill if yes

yes

we reroll? or you guys have good reads

That sounds ok

22:14

We're rolling to kill out out everyone apart from the two runner claims and people in lab

22:14

Those are the people we don't want dying yet

22:15

I don't really have any reads

I say those are the people we do care

22:15

Kill

22:15

Gamble on a 50/50 and hit exorcist or something trying to pretend to be runner

22:16

I actually don't mind I think anything is good

Unlikely that either Kal or Yuki is something important if they're not runner

I would go with town talker

Are we waiting for psychic wolf check rn?

Idk

Should i check

I don't know how to read

I am waiting for your ok

22:18

@Granat

I think we just gamble and hit priest

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Selected @Bernstein (

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Selected @Mondstein (

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We found priest

22:18

gibagul

gibagul

Wait really!?

22:19

:o

22:19

lol

So Onyx;Citizen ?

Yes

It said Correct

Damn

22:20

Ok

@Tsavorit

We random from the rest and kill the random

Bernstein

I would go with town talker

they're likely weak roles is the thing

22:21

i realized that no strong player genuinely claims runner D0

22:21

and yuki/kal are strong enough for sure

22:21

okay so we need to reroll

I guess we roll excluding Onyx yea

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Selected @Hämatit (

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lets iso them

Why ghost shadow lol

o7

Feueropal

Why ghost shadow lol

wdym?

Hendawy dying early again

they've not said much

He was in the roll lol

Feueropal

He was in the roll lol

its a blacklist roll

22:23

$roll bl kalimoor yuki_not_cutie sinisfuel sharleclaire federick mgp.eth mctsts basscy gh0st_5had0w

Oh yea

so everyone BUT list

Yea

yea no read to be made on hend imo

Yea

voted

22:23

do we need more than 1 vote?

Don't think so

22:24

Should we have more than one vote though

probably not? let me be the only voter. if we need to switch 2 people can outvote me or I can switch

Ill let you handle it

dont think the voting has any relevance with the roles in game

22:24

Okay then

22:24

IMPORTANT

22:24

Strategy talk

22:27

We need to claim runner (1) I claim Runner immediately on phase change [basic strat] (2) Ghost claims lab-ed Runner which means their defense is basically useless and explains their opposition to revealing [questionable strategy, but maybe enough story to be believeable?] (3) mgp claims Runner (4) there is a hilariously insane strategy where we simply do not kill [DENY CCS for TOWN on D1!!!] and have mgp pop up halfway through Day 1 saying "what does it mean when it sends a message saying you were attacked in your channel" or something like that Fed and Bass should not claim Runner as they're too important

22:31

With any strat but (4) we need to prepare for a journalist lynching strat on Day 1, where all Journalist claims are called for and a random one is lynched. With CCs it is possible to set several passwords, so it works assuming you hit a real Journalist which with a single Journalist ctc is a 2/3 chance, so we ALSO need to prepare a Journalist ctc Wow when playing against Kal I need to think enough steps ahead

22:32

@Feueropal you understand some strategy. thoughts?

22:33

if the journalist lynching strat is pursued the risk of that wolf dying is higher, so this is a risk mgp, ghost or I should take. for ghost question is if pivoting from ms to journalist this early is worth it

4 is hilarious

the funny thing is its extremly valid this game because you can actually deny ccs

22:34

A new cc will be available after every odd numbered death (1st death, 3rd death, 5th death, etc.)

Oh shit

this is an extremly funny cc rule

I think we should do this

(4) is the sort of strategy that's either a horrible failure or an insane success

We can avoid killing tanner also

oh yeah its been extra cursed recently

22:35

packless just dies Night 1 every other game

Tho FT would become a problem

its like a statistical anomaly

Feueropal

Tho FT would become a problem

Claim there's Tanner?

22:36

idk

22:36

What do you think is a path to TT?

I guess that works

22:36

I think not killing is probably the best path

I think what will happen is that we will have 1-2 runners rescind claim and 1-2 additional runners. if town lucks out there will only remain one runner

22:37

they hope to form TT through that

22:37

so we deny that via a ctc - have to

22:37

then next best bet is lynching a journalist, probably

22:37

cant do that with no ccs

22:38

we still have to ctc both Journalist and Runner which is already annoying

Feueropal

I think not killing is probably the best path

We could: 1. Attack a runner, then ctc runner being attacked 2. Not attack, claim attacked runner and get mayor that way (edited)

22:39

With 2 we dont risk town getting ccs if the runner claim is fake

22:40

Tho idk how much that matters in the long run

The only issue that we have mentors so I don't know how effective we can have the unknowing new player claim be

22:40

Especially since chimi is usually pretty proactive in mentoring I think

Feueropal

Tho idk how much that matters in the long run

Yea that's the question

22:41

The main thing ccs mean is that they can setup journalist passwords Day 1

Eh they can claim it without playing newbie

yea probably

22:41

chimi would theoretically have advised them to not claim Day 0, I assume

22:42

alternatively I claim it if we abandon the newbie approach, but then the "pack choose not to kill" strat seems a bit more likely, probs

Yea

22:43

But i think getting mayor is probably the only way to win this game

22:43

And delaying TT

You might not be familiar with Kal but he will do everything to get TT I think

22:44

So I think the journalist lynch is on the table if he can figure out how to optimize it

22:44

But it doesn't seem optimal

Then its better they dont get ccs

If town requests journalist claims to lynch a random journlist, wolves are forced to ctc otherwise they will instant confirm both journalists

22:45

but can town get tt out of that? it's really only a 2/3 chance

22:45

but if crazy enough you do it without ccs and ask the journalists to construct a journal with info that is difficult to fake, but idk if this is possible

22:45

since you're not allowed to copy it out anyway

I think its likely kal would push for the attacked runner to be mayor even if they dont trust him

22:46

From what i gather

hm, but attacked runner not good mayor, right?

22:47

cause can die

Or survive

22:47

And then they become sus

but if dead then no reporter

22:48

you are better off electing a random journalist for example

22:48

yeah so actually this doesnt work

22:48

I dont think we can push for attacked runner to be mayor in this

22:48

we've shifted to a meta where you prefer to not trust your mayor

22:48

unless they're a defensive role

Yea but no deaths for journo

if journo mayor, then either mayor lives or journo confirms a role

22:49

which is sort of win win

22:49

attacked runner is worse mayor

22:49

damn it

22:49

I don't think it works

22:49

we STILL need to ctc Runner and Journalist though / be prepared for it

What if we all claim runner here LOL

22:50

Or journo

WAIT

Journo is better

RUNNER bad this game

22:50

HowlWolf double attack

22:51

wolfpack can just kill a runner in one night

22:51

wait thats wild

We all claim journo i think, maybe one claims witch

witch

Well yea, we can use howling wolf to kill lol

i assume you mean priest

Right

22:53

LOL

22:53

I think they will likely suggest we splash each other right

still need to ctc runner imo

Feueropal

I think they will likely suggest we splash each other right

idk but that seems basic

22:54

assume kal is 3 steps ahead always

22:54

that's why we need to think 5 steps ahead

22:54

consider every possible strat and mentally play ahead to d5

We think 5 steps ahead by preventing him to become tt

22:55

Denying ccs seems like the best bet rn

i think the no-kill doesn't work out. we kill as voted we ctc runner start of day [is this even WISE for TOWN??] we ctc journalist if prompted

22:55

iss it?

22:55

man idk

22:55

I unvoted now, but ghost is still voting

22:56

Okay, genuinely idk if we can pull the Runner claim off

22:56

The game setup is so complex

22:56

I dont even know if Runner should claim

Yea i think runner is off the table

but we HAVE to

22:56

otherwise we have to double attack runner

Or we attack a runner rn

they're baiting

What if they are

wdym?

There is no macho and journo cant be confirmed

22:59

Their baiting is useless, in case nobody dies then we can ctc attacked runner also

22:59

Am i missing something?

hm

23:00

you're basically saying:

yes they might be weak roles but there is no harm in killing a weak role
but if somehow they actually are Runner it works out
or if they somehow are fake baiting to be safe and actually are a power role it ALSO works out

Yea

23:01

We dont have any other better clues anyway

Honestly I see the vision

And we rule out hitting tanner probably

Huh, actually that is so true

23:02

Then let's kill Kal after all?

23:02

Doesn't matter much if Cit, Cit chance is high anyway

Kal or the other runner

Yuki is already more questionable with their random scum accusation against sharl and such

But id say Kal cuz he seems to have a plan here thinking he wont be hit

23:03

If he claims runner

Kal could very well be claiming runner bc he's a strong role and deosn't want to get attacked

Yup

I do believe he actually is claiming runner bc he's a weak role but wants us to think he's a strong role

23:04

but

23:04

you're right it doesnt matter

Tsavorit

Kal could very well be claiming runner bc he's a strong role and deosn't want to get attacked

if its this even if I dont think so, it's big reward

Tsavorit

I do believe he actually is claiming runner bc he's a weak role but wants us to think he's a strong role

if its this is still fine

23:04

he could be journalist trying to get the journal spread

23:04

but this is bad without cc

Yup

he could be cit just wanting to waste a kill

23:04

but

23:04

Cit kill not so bad

23:05

probably better than Pyro, Psycho or Tanner

No howl tonight I sleepy wolf

Block

1

yup, that's good

23:05

we probably want to howl D1 and D2 tbh, this will also ensure that death counts are unclear both nights for priest

23:05

Alright, lets vote out Kal then

23:06

@Feueropal please also vote so we outvote ghost

23:06

thanks

Done

Howling Wolf [Werewolf Killing]

Once per game the Howling Wolf may disguise every player as an arbitrary in play werewolf role. Once per game during the day the Howling Wolf may provide an extra poll for the wolfpack the next night, at the cost of wolfpack actions.

yea tbh i was tunneling on him being cit/journalist and doing this whole thing to fool us

23:06

which tbh he probably is

23:06

but

23:06

we still have the better outcome if he's doing that

23:07

i was too focused on thinking by killing him we fall for his trap that i did not realize that we ... want to fall for it?

But i dont think he considered the cc issue

cause he assumed somebody will die

23:07

and im like 75% he's just a nothing role so somebody will die

23:08

btw based on the fact that a wolf is TS, I'd guess a cit or journalist is TS as well, id assume hosts balance it out with either power roles on both side or neither

I think ignore kal I can see jurnl and cit

What is TS beside you

test Subject

23:09

for ms

Oh

Bernstein

I think ignore kal I can see jurnl and cit

no he is almost definitely journalist or cit in my mind as well

23:09

but

23:09

it actually is favorable

I think this is good, if he survives we should be ready to ctc attacked runner

Consider this as our target pool. Killing Cit/Journalist is decent, but not great, same for Exo? Runner is okay, but probably also not optimal Fortune Teller and Priest are AMAZING Tanner bad Pyro, Psycho neutral (though statistiacally they should be slightly in our favor) Citizen +1 Citizen +1 Journalist +2 Journalist/Citizen +1.5 Runner +0.5? Exorcist +1 Fortune Teller +3 Priest +3 Tanner -1 Pyromancer +0 Pyromancer +0 Psychopath +0 12/12=1 value expected value if cit/journalist only 1.375 (edited)

23:11

Killing a guaranteed Cit or Journalist already has a HIGHER expected value than random killing

23:12

How did you get those

the numbers?

23:12

i just made them up

1

23:12

do you disagree?

23:12

tanner is bad

23:12

psycho/pyro neutral

23:12

Cit/Joruanlist ok

23:12

Journalist in N1 probably good actually

23:12

Journalist post N1 worse

23:13

Runner idk, might be 1 hard to say

My brain is not braining enough

FT and Priest are GREAAT kills

23:13

but the bad kills make a random kill less attractive

But i think journo N1 probably worth 2

yeahb I might agree

23:13

it kinda makes its advantage bad

Tsavorit

Consider this as our target pool. Killing Cit/Journalist is decent, but not great, same for Exo? Runner is okay, but probably also not optimal Fortune Teller and Priest are AMAZING Tanner bad Pyro, Psycho neutral (though statistiacally they should be slightly in our favor) Citizen +1 Citizen +1 Journalist +2 Journalist/Citizen +1.5 Runner +0.5? Exorcist +1 Fortune Teller +3 Priest +3 Tanner -1 Pyromancer +0 Pyromancer +0 Psychopath +0 12/12=1 value expected value if cit/journalist only 1.375 (edited)

If we attack Kal we likely remove Tanner from the pool ig

no the pool is rand attack

23:14

the kal pool imo is VERY likely Cit or Journalist

23:15

imo kal is probably mindgamed 2 steps ahead and is claiming Runner to make us think he's claiming it bc he's a strong role so we don't attack him (edited)

23:15

but secretly he's a weak role and WANTS to be attacked

23:15

But as you mentioned he's no macho, so there's no risk

23:15

if I assume he is cit or journalist, expected value is 1.375 (if chance is random what role out of the cit/journalist pool), rand attack is 1 (edited)

I mean psychopath is also possible

But do you think he'd take that risk? It's really just asking to be attacked

23:17

yeah if we allow Psycho the value lowers

Doesnt rly matter

but I doubt Pyro or Tanner

He played super aggressive the game with me when psychopath and I was fortune teller

yea but aggressive is different from asking to be killed

I agree

23:18

We go with the plan then

I think it's genuinely that he's a weak TM and wants to be killed, so we're "falling for his trap". But it's still in our favor as it's a semi safe TM kill AND he seems to have some plan involving MS that I can't figure out

23:19

Like his pressuring on MS is really weird and I feel like he has a strat that we cannot comprehend

I mean it might not even matter pyro might kill him

Pyro skill issue if powder most active players

Kek

I think kal is the best yea, just remember:

We have to make sure another (us) runner is able to ctc in case he dies
We ctc attacked runner if he survives

Yes

23:20

Question

23:20

Who claims Runner and who is set as a Journalist claim if journalist claims need to be gathered

I think ill be journo

Also. If Kal dies. do we randomly claim Journal received

I think that might work, altho it becomes tricky if someone else also gets the journal

I think kal is a Runner

We're fairly certain he is pretending to be a Runner to make it seem like he's a bad target for the attack. So we attack him. But actually I think he wants exactly this to happen, so by doing this we fall for his trap. But actually it's a bad trap because it's still a good outcome for us. There are a few roles we definitely dont want to kill (Psychopath, Pyromancer, Tanner) and we are pretty sure he is none of them

1

Feueropal

I think that might work, altho it becomes tricky if someone else also gets the journal

eh kinda just make up some things

Feueropal

I think that might work, altho it becomes tricky if someone else also gets the journal

Do you think you could pull it off?

23:24

I have a old Kal journal as a reference

23:24

uh am I allowed to share that

23:24

I feel like yes, it's public

Lul haha

Tsavorit

Do you think you could pull it off?

I could try ig

https://werewolves.me/games/S13/OS13D/html/Werewolves%20Revamped%20-%20%f0%9f%95%b5%20S13g8%20Secret%20Channels%20%232%20-%20journal-holder%20%5b1373601394162008246%5d.html This is a journal from him in OS13D, I think he's probably gotten better, but he tower posts a lot and says yeen every other word

https://werewolves.me/games/S13/OS13D/html/Werewolves%20Revamped%20-%20%f0%9f%95%b5%20S13g8%20Secret%20Channels%20%232%20-%20journal-holder%20%5b1373601394162008246%5d.html

Feueropal

I could try ig

Okay, then question do I claim runner or does MGP do it?

23:26

I can claim Priest if not Runner (since im scw and can resist a priest attack) (edited)

MGP is a safer bet

23:27

You are better as Priest

@Meteorit tomorrow (i will let you know), after 10am we will need you to counterclaim Runner at some point in public

Scared Wolf [Werewolf Miscellaneous]

The Scared Wolf will be protected from the first night attack to target them.

Are they not disguised anymore

Tsavorit

@Meteorit tomorrow (i will let you know), after 10am we will need you to counterclaim Runner at some point in public

I believe both people that have claimed to be Runner today (Kal and Yuki) are lying. If this is true for Kal, Kal wil die. If this is true for Yuki, they will at some point in the day retract their claim. We also expect another person to additionally claim Runner For now nothing is necessary, we will wait until tomorrow

Feueropal

Are they not disguised anymore

I dont think they ever were. Do you mean Sneaking Wolf?

Oh yea

okay I think we are enough steps ahead to rest easy now

23:30

gonna sleep

23:30

good night

Night

Tsavorit

https://werewolves.me/games/S13/OS13D/html/Werewolves%20Revamped%20-%20%f0%9f%95%b5%20S13g8%20Secret%20Channels%20%232%20-%20journal-holder%20%5b1373601394162008246%5d.html This is a journal from him in OS13D, I think he's probably gotten better, but he tower posts a lot and says yeen every other word

Wait a cit claim has to do this

00:00

Definitely not a journalist claim

Ware is the vote button I wanna me aport of the team

Sorry for being offline, I've unvoted now

00:14

I could claim to receive journal

Oh wait by killing kal we might be confirming yuki

Eh we can probably counter that

08:57

@Granat strong potential strat you claim journaled from kal if kal dies. This kinda counters the journalist lynch strat, might reveal a cit if kal actually journalist. Once reporter you are caught but if you die we just kill ms. I also think journo received Is enough reason to reveal and wolves still don't want to kill you as it kills a wolf so it's probably also good as mayor candidate

Wolfpack

(2)

yeen

@Kalkoolith - @Feueropal, @Tsavorit Winner: @Kalkoolith with 2 votes!

10:00

Announcement

@Feueropal is attacking: Attack successful!

@Tsavorit ded

Tsavorit

Oh wait by killing kal we might be confirming yuki

Yea

10:04

I think arch is tt pretending to be runner

10:04

We should ctc runner anyway (edited)

10:07

@Meteorit claim runner in public

10:09

Would be pretty funny if Kal was tanner

1

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483759089954590969

10:29

@Tsavorit

Feueropal

@Tsavorit

This is why ghost does it

10:36

If he is lynched we kill ms

Okok good

Okay we got the runner claim out there

11:43

Excellent

Truly Insane strat: hw attack howl, we kill MGP and arch then lynch arch if arch real runner since the it looks like double kill on mgp (only good if mayor on MGP) (edited)

11:55

This works if we push mgp as scummy mayor which I think is doable

Tsavorit

@Granat strong potential strat you claim journaled from kal if kal dies. This kinda counters the journalist lynch strat, might reveal a cit if kal actually journalist. Once reporter you are caught but if you die we just kill ms. I also think journo received Is enough reason to reveal and wolves still don't want to kill you as it kills a wolf so it's probably also good as mayor candidate

@Granat thoughts?

Very happy to claim journal

Do you think the strat makes sense?

My only worry is that I haven't done anything of the sort before so I'm not aware of what the meta is

Wdym?

13:12

I don't think fake journaled claims are common tbh

From what I understand of the journalist lynch strat, journalist dies and sends journal to a specified role which confirms them as town?

Oh yes but that is different strat

I've never played journalist in me years being here

My strat suggestion for you is that you claim cit

Yeah that's fine with me

That recievd kals journal (edited)

But how is that executed

13:13

Do I publically claim that I have received journal even after there are now runner claims

13:14

I guess it would be good for them cause runners want to get rep

Hmm

And I fake journal by making up the contents of it?

I'm not sure

13:14

Yes

13:14

You'd have to make up fake contents

13:15

I linked a genuine kal journal somewhere above

Yeah, I read it

13:15

Kek his password being the longest word there is

We probably wouldn't expect a pw

I'll just search up the second longest word and refer to yeen a bunch of times

Only some motes

pw?

I don't think he'd have a password

13:16

Since there were no ccs

13:17

It would probably be fairly empty with only a few notes and some yeens?

13:17

The thing is what would you do if journaled for real?

13:18

Would you try to run for Mayor?

I could

13:20

What would I do

13:20

I'd stay quiet about it for a while because I'm a nervous wreak when playing by myself lol?

I think you should reveal soon

I will

Hm

13:38

Though idk if you should be mayor

I kinda want to reveal both journal and ts

Yea

13:38

Probs that

13:39

I think the disadvantage of wolf death probably makes town ts mayor still good

Yeah

It's gotta be soon at this point I think

13:41

Otherwise another ts might claim first

13:41

You don't have to claim your role but it will definitely imply your cit

Yea you should do it

Tsavorit

https://werewolves.me/games/S13/OS13D/html/Werewolves%20Revamped%20-%20%f0%9f%95%b5%20S13g8%20Secret%20Channels%20%232%20-%20journal-holder%20%5b1373601394162008246%5d.html This is a journal from him in OS13D, I think he's probably gotten better, but he tower posts a lot and says yeen every other word

@Granat

Remember you're only allowed to paraphrase journal

13:43

So don't overthink it

Yeah, got you

I think you got arch sussing yum

I do

Ok we can exclude ddd as Ms i think

.,.

13:52

Ms and town is between sinisfuel and sharle

13:52

And from the looks of it sinisfuel just confirmed that they are ms

13:53

If they were town, they would probably argue against my point of being town and hinting cit a lot more

Mad Scientist [Townsfolk Killing]

The Mad Scientist has two subjects (townsfolk and werewolf). When the Mad Scientist dies, both subjects are attacked.

Sharl is ms according to your info imo

14:03

Sinis doesn't claim that early if not for hint 75%

no journal-ed claim so Kal was Cit i think

19:11

TownsfolkCard

Townsfolk Citizen

Citizen

Citizen (4) - neoimperium yes

yes

, Kal

plus

, sinisfuel maybe

maybe

TestSubject

, hend

yes

Journalist

Journalist (2) - yuki plus

plus

, mat

plus

Runner

Runner - Arch yes

yes

Exorcist

Exorcist - ddd maybe

maybe

FortuneTeller

Fortune Teller - sonnenstein plus

plus

MadScientist

Mad Scientist - Sharl plus

plus

Priest

Priest - kazlek plus

plus

WolfCard

Werewolves HowlingWolf

HowlingWolf

Howling Wolf - Bass yes

yes

[no claim] PsychicWolf

PsychicWolf

Psychic Wolf - Fed yes

yes

[journalist] ScaredWolf

ScaredWolf

Scared Wolf - Ts yes

yes

[priest]

Wolf

Wolf - mgp yes

yes

[runner]

Wolf

Wolf - Ghost yes

yes

[citizen]

TestSubject

Tanner

Tanner - Swurtle plus

plus

PyroCard

Pyros

Pyromancer

Pyromancer - ocean yes

yes

Pyromancer

Pyromancer - alex maybe

maybe

UnalignedPlaceholder

Unaligned

Psychopath

Psychopath - light plus

plus

(edited)

Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 18-3-2026 19:11

Signed Up Players | Total: 20

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit) yeen

yeen

- kalimoor (@Kalkoolith)

- yuki_not_cutie (@Rubin)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- matstress (@Mondstein)

- theoceancookie (@Topas)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Smaragd)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

‍

- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- mgp.eth (@Meteorit)

- sinisfuel (@Citrin) (edited)

we've reduced away most TM so tonight a cit check may be low value already

19:14

ddd maybe weak, watch out for alex and ocean ive not seen them a lot

19:14

others no talking

Kyanit random voting with arch

19:46

Kazlek FT who checked arch and is in contact? but would be insane coincidence

19:46

so probably not

Probably not deep like that

19:49

I doubt that ft would vote with runner if that was going to out them

yeah unlikely

If we're voting one of the test subjects mayor, how confident are we on killing ms

depends on who mayor

19:52

if ts mayor and you mayor simply resign lmao

19:52

they'll lynch you but it wastes so much time

19:52

this is what makes ts mayor such a great wolf strat

Right

dont double lynch and resign lmaaao

Actually yeah lol

19:54

So do we kill the mayor regardless of who in the lab is elected mayor?

well no we dont kill you if you mayor

Well yeah, but the other two

19:55

If we hit MS, it's a double town kill

19:55

If we don't I push that wolves wanted to kill MS and guessed wrong

you're already out as non-MS claim though

19:56

so if we kill TTS you are revealed as scum

mm true

@Bernstein we should go striking howl here

20:02

ddd pyro??

20:02

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483902994952229034

ah wait I now realize that you shouldn't've claimed journal-ed since it means now MS can form TT

yea...

should we Howl @Tsavorit

I voted for Rubin

I think it would be good

Instant 3 others also hahah

Feueropal

should we Howl @Tsavorit

@Bernstein !!!!! please striking howl I think

21:10

otherwise we risk not being able to use it

@Bernstein @Bernstein @Bernstein

is it really scummy how I fucked up my roll but lucked out on ghost and didn't reeroll

LOL

21:11

been there

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483918662329958481 insane luck

21:13

yuki claims journalist in cc

21:13

ive given a password

21:13

it is Oh? What is this? Huh! The holy grail! The church has been looking for it for centuries!

21:13

considering i was predicting yuki as cit/journo ill put them down as journo

Tsavorit

it is Oh? What is this? Huh! The holy grail! The church has been looking for it for centuries!

LMAO

Meteorit

Instant 3 others also hahah

excellent. every vote added will make others also vote without thinking much

Feueropal

LMAO

Last game I used

Why... why do people have to die... if only they could be resurrected. No, that's nonsense. I'm never getting anyone back.

so that one was out for this one unfortunately

21:15

yuki journo is gonna confirm a cit

21:15

question is how many PW will yuki setup?

Is Ghost gonna resign the same night?

@Meteorit btw do NOT write anything in #town-square for now

Tsavorit

@Meteorit btw do NOT write anything in #town-square for now

Okay haha

Feueropal

Is Ghost gonna resign the same night?

I think so, probs

no double lynch is super scummy

is it immediate?

Meteorit

Okay haha

Usually writing is good, but rn things are going our way so if you show that you are there people will probably want to question you which can only hurt us rn

1

Feueropal

is it immediate?

oh yes, it is

21:17

wait no

21:17

we made it end night

21:17

oh yuki is setting up a 2nd PW, but they have 1 cc so there might be 3 pws

21:18

This will mean we'll have TT through a cit, probably

what is PW

password

21:18

he asked me to cc him, so we setup a password

21:18

he asked alex to cc rn

what is Yuki

so this is at least #2

21:18

journalist

21:18

but not publically

21:18

he claims runner

21:18

asked me to cc him

21:19

at that point it became extremly clear

21:19

oh i mean she

21:19

anyway she asked me for a password there so I gave her one

21:19

she's doing the same with alex (Amethyst)

21:20

When she's lynched she'll give the journal to a cit confirming them. so then TT, so we need claims

21:20

@Feueropal are you staying on journalist? @Bernstein any ideas for your claim?

Tsavorit

@Feueropal are you staying on journalist? @Bernstein any ideas for your claim?

Im thinking of switching to cit but maybe not idk

cit is valid for PW as well

21:21

we are currently claiming kal is journo when he seemingly wasnt

What is PW

psychic wolf

21:22

dont you just love me using the same abbrevation for different meanings in a span of 5 minutes

This is getting confusing

21:22

Yea LOL

I'm saying Cit can be a good claim for you, since we are claiming Kal was journalist

21:22

And Yuki will (likely) be confirmed as journalist

so should i claim getting journaled

no, we can't

21:23

like I said I expect yuki to have three passwords at this point

21:23

Alex (Amethyst), me and whoever they chose to cc (potentially arch)

i still dont get what you mean with PW

Oh so for journalist

21:24

The current meta is that you have several people cc (whisper) a password to you

21:24

Only the journalist and the person that gave it will know the password

21:24

The journalist will collect 3 or more passwords and note all of them in journal

ohhhh ok

if the journalist dies and somebody gets the journal they can prove themselves to each password giver

@Bernstein STRIKE HOWL PLS

so e.g. if its arch, alex and me, the Journal Reciever can publically post all passwords and presumably the other 2 will say "password correct"

21:25

so I have to say the same and cannot lie

if bass doesnt come back online can we ask host to do it for them

Hosts should check out https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1481019394569273464/1481019394569273464

honk

honk honk

if you wanna do an action for a teammember it would be good to ping a host

okey dokey

21:27

If Yuki is killed then its good

21:28

right

we use strike and kill Yuki and Arch?

Idk if Arch is worth it

21:28

they are basically confirmed runner

21:28

It might be better if we try our luck into killing other townies to hit priest

21:29

or uh idk actually

they are not confirmed right now, but honestly only because kal is dead and im wolfpack

21:29

like if this was last game I would have forced a lynch against arch and setup arch as tt

21:29

literally what we did last game in the triple claim situation

He is confirmed runner tho

oh to us yes

21:30

i thought you meant publically

Meteorit is sus and Yuki and Kal werent runner

21:30

well also publically

I dont think town realizes?

Yuki clearly wasnt runner lol

Yuki didnt out as non runner

21:31

Like she clearly wasnt runner same as Kal

21:31

but

21:31

does everyone realize arch is clearly runner

well someone is getting journal if she is journalist

21:31

so that leaves Arch and Meteorit

21:31

and Meteorit is sus

@Bernstein

21:32

@Bernstein

21:32

@Bernstein

21:32

@Bernstein

21:32

@Bernstein

21:32

we need you

Feueropal

and Meteorit is sus

Meteorit can maybe get away with claiming new player

21:33

btw if ghost open scums we can find tanner

21:34

oh god this game once again has such few ccs that you cannot claim to TT and contact pack as packless

21:34

oh btw yuki said she put in journal that the Journal recipient Cit should wait until D2

Tsavorit

Meteorit can maybe get away with claiming new player

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483817324292341780

EdelSteinhändler

if you wanna do an action for a teammember it would be good to ping a host

@Feueropal do you think we should do this

Do we have a strat for who to hit

Feueropal

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483817324292341780

well tbf arch knows mgp is scum

21:35

not really yet

can you do your magic statistics thing

but we cannot risk the striking howl being wasted

on who we can hit

Feueropal

can you do your magic statistics thing

will do some math

can i intreract with peoples prompts¿

but I think the striking howl just needs to be used

yea

EdelSteinhändler

can i intreract with peoples prompts¿

yup, but if its a button choice you have to run $chooser <ID> first

i dont think we are gonna get better clues tomorrow

text prompts it doesnt care who submits it

i assume id is my id¿

oh no the players id

ight

that you are imitating for the button press

so uh does that mean we already did it?

no

okay

i know you wanna do it

21:38

but imma wait with like 10 mins to spare

21:38

if you dont ping me

alright

21:38

lets see if bass shows up in the next 10m

should we really hit arch twice or should we kill others?

no i think you're right

21:39

arch is a waste

21:39

also we will only have to worry about a single lynch

21:39

we hit twice into our pool of unknowns?

21:40

or we go crazy and kill neoimperium the one you checked as cit (could be tanner)

21:40

that'd be a 1/3 chance of denying TT if not tanner

Should I check for FT?

21:40

or priest?

hmmm

or cit

extremly good question

i think FT or priest is best

I think we:

dont kill cits
check for cit

21:41

cause tanner might be disguised as cit

yea fair

21:42

I do wonder what Kal's strat was now

idk it made more sense if hes journalist

21:42

but since hes cit he really just "wasted" our kill

21:43

but like it was a extremly high likelihood town kill

yea i think thats good

21:43

we didnt have better clues anyway

killing randomly has a higher standard deviation and can lead to a devastating FT/Priest kill, but its expected value is just lower than killing cit

21:43

and ive genuinely never realized that

21:44

its preferably to kill cit over random unless you're behind and need to risk it on a lucky kill

21:44

Also whatever he was on about with MS was probably not what we are doing

21:44

Because what we are doing right now is not a great strat (for town) it just seems like it (edited)

I wonder if we can use the disguising howl at some point

21:45

does it get announced?

yup

21:45

i say we use it next day

wait

21:46

if we use the howl i cannot check

or do we use it today

21:46

you can check for the cat still

21:46

wait

striking howl

isnt that super useful?

Once per game during the day the Howling Wolf may provide an extra poll for the wolfpack the next night, at the cost of wolfpack actions.

oooh

21:46

i fully forgot about that

21:46

worth it we think?

Think so

ehhh yea i guess

or do we hold off until tomorrow

21:47

we can do disguising howl tonight then

Heulwolf [Werwolf Killing]

Basics

Once per game, the Heulwolf may disguise all players as an arbitrary in-play werwolf role. Once per game, the Heulwolf may provide an extra poll for the wolfsrudel for the next night.

Details (1/2)

The Heulwolf has two cries: a masking cry and a striking cry. Each day, they can choose whether they want to use one or both cries. Each cry can only be used once. Crying is an end day ability. If they use the masking cry, all players will be strongly disguised as an arbitrary in-play werwolf team role. If possible, the disguise matches their role's category. Disguising players in this way is not a visit. If they use the striking cry, they will create a new poll for the wolfsrudel that the members can vote on during the following night. The player selected on this poll will be attacked by the Heulwolf at the end of the night. If the striking cry is used, lykaner in the wolfsrudel will be unable to perform actions (besides killing abilities) during the night that the poll is active.

Details (2/2)

The fact that a cry has been used, but not its type, will be announced at the start of the night after the Heulwolf chooses to use it. If both cries are used during one phase, the fact that a cry has been used is only announced once.

Actually, do you want to find packless by tomorrow?

we can do disguising tomorrow

Granat

Actually, do you want to find packless by tomorrow?

if you resign you open scum

I'll be outed if I don't do double lynch

Feueropal

we can do disguising tomorrow

or we do it tonight and it might make the check easier even

21:48

you know what role to check for

21:48

e.g. you can check for Howling Wolf

21:48

if true then pyro or assassin

21:48

disguise doesnt really nerf us

wait what

except for TM checks

21:48

you just check for the disguise

its everyone no?

the disguise matches the base role category

Howling Wolf [Werewolf Killing]

Once per game the Howling Wolf may disguise every player as an arbitrary in play werewolf role. Once per game during the day the Howling Wolf may provide an extra poll for the wolfpack the next night, at the cost of wolfpack actions.

so Assassin is disguised as Howling Wolf (the only WK)

21:48

Pyromancers are Howling Wolf too

so if i do the $chooser id do i click the button after?

Fortune Teller is PSychic Wolf

EdelSteinhändler

so if i do the $chooser id do i click the button after?

yup but actually we're still debating

21:49

TMs are Wolf or Scared Wolf

21:49

Exorcist is Tanner

and if you do both do i have to do the command twice?

EdelSteinhändler

and if you do both do i have to do the command twice?

if you run $chooser it will have it set until next bot reload

ight

you will notice its working if it does anything

ping me when you decided on the howls

So, we disguise howl tonight to find more info and killing howl tomorrow night?

yup

What is our goal? Limiting TTs?

(please do it with like 3 or more mins to spare)

1

do we think investing is useful tonight?

21:50

I think FT can be useful tonight tbh

21:50

check arch for example

Is the type of howl announced @Host

nope

And I don't think we'll be able to stop Yuki from starting tt with journal

only that there was (at least) one howl

Granat

And I don't think we'll be able to stop Yuki from starting tt with journal

he only wants the cit to come out during day

they are probably gonna check one of us tonight anyway tho

thats fine

so its not gonna be useful

Feueropal

they are probably gonna check one of us tonight anyway tho

but then we have the howl defense

21:51

as long as your role cat matches your claim cat

21:51

we can also delay both

i think we are pretty scummy anyway but i guess so lol

hmm

21:52

We can delay both?

21:52

Neither is SUPER advantageous rn

21:52

but we dont want to waste them either

Feueropal

i think we are pretty scummy anyway but i guess so lol

I dont think its too bad

21:52

mgp and ghost are scummy

can you make AI do the decision this is too hard...

i think we two are fine

21:53

bass i havent seen much so fine as well i think

21:53

i might seem agendaed (bc i am) but its not super clear

ok i think disguise howl is ok tonight then

we cna have mgp claim attacked if disguise howl

21:53

lock in disguise howl?

but does the meta ever care about disguise howl?

wdym?

like does the current meta usually take that into account

uh no clue

it seems to be more from reads nowadays

im not sure if ive ever played with HW

Feueropal

it seems to be more from reads nowadays

truue

21:54

but we dont know if FT is a strong player

21:54

omg bass showed up

21:55

@Bernstein we're thinking to use disguise howl tonight, and leave strike howl for tomorrow

21:55

thoughts?

probs cause i did the command and it pinged him

Hello

We dont have any super good kills for tonight we think

21:55

Id like to use strike but it might be better to wait a day

I was sleeping

or do we risk it on questionable kills

BRUH i have you as friend and still says its spam..

saaame

21:55

so annoying

It doesn't show up on mobile

If we do Strike Howl we get no Psychic Wolf check so its risky

I was planning on holding my howls until late as possible

Feueropal

BRUH i have you as friend and still says its spam..

get a plugin for that (ask fish what its called)

@Bernstein we dont want them to go to waste though tbh

We could be risking bass dying tomorrow still but idk

21:56

Disguise it is?

Tsavorit

@Bernstein we dont want them to go to waste though tbh

Why would I die

I feel like tomorrow we use strike latest

21:56

anything else is too risky

Bernstein

Why would I die

probably not tonight or tomorrow

21:56

but anything after that is risky imo

Ok disguise it i??

if bass doesnt want to do it then no, im not 100% sure its good, but it probably is

Yeah I was going to go and hit both Howell disguise and strike on the fourth night or third

is it good to do both at once?

I think it's good for us if we play a slow game and then suddenly skip the middle game and go straight to edgame

just do disguise today imo

if we do them split its harder for town to get info

21:57

if we do both at once town can kinda figure we did both

21:58

if we do one today, one tomorrow they cant

2 minutes

21:58

quick

nope 1 m

It's better to split them given that we lose info doing both at the same time

1

59 is action end

Am I doing it tonight the skies?

I think do disguise @Bernstein

Am I disguising

Disguise tonight

Disguise howl only

21:58

yes

Ok

@Host just in case, we do disguise howl

I have activated very convention ability

nah its too late for the host ping

Furry convention cosplay ability

okok

did it still go through?

Everyone is now free and and wolf

nice

Furry

2

1

then we use Psychic Wolf on Howling Wolf tonight?

Free = furry

lol

Tsavorit

then we use Psychic Wolf on Howling Wolf tonight?

idk how it works so you have to help me

We're kidnapping the whole town and making them suit and fur costumes everybody cosplay at the convention tonight everybody will be wolf

okay so

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Amethyst

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Mondstein

- @Topas

- @Kyanit

- @Feueropal

- @Onyx

thight

- @Smaragd

- @Granat

- @Sonnenstein

‍

- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Meteorit

- @Citrin

- Random

everyone is disguised as a wolf role with the same category as their own role iirc

22:00

let me double check this

22:01

If they use the masking cry, all players will be strongly disguised as an arbitrary in-play werwolf team role. If possible, the disguise matches their role's category. Disguising players in this way is not a visit.

22:01

Howling Wolf - WK Psychic Wolf - WI Scared Wolf - WM Tanner - WP Wolf - WM all but "M" category 1:1 map to a wolf role

Bürgermeister [Extra Elected]

Basics

The Bürgermeister can post in #story_time. When the number of living players are two-thirds of the total players or fewer, the Bürgermeister receives an extra vote in polls. When there are more living players than that, each night, the Bürgermeister instead chooses whether a second lynch will take place during the next day.

Details

The Bürgermeister's extra vote cannot be nullified, stolen, or removed under any circumstances. If the Bürgermeister would normally have a negative vote, the extra vote becomes a negative vote too. The Bürgermeister may choose to resign at any point during a phase, but will only lose the role at the end of the phase. Choosing a double lynch is an immediate action. If the number of living players are no more than two-thirds of the total players, the Bürgermeister immediately gains the extra vote and loses the ability to choose whether there is an additional lynch. If this happens after they have chosen to have an additional lynch, but before the lynch poll occurs, the additional poll will still be created. The Bürgermeister gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Bürgermeisters.

how did we manage to get a wolf as mayor

The Bürgermeister may choose to resign at any point during a phase, but will only lose the role at the end of the phase.

Luck

@Granat resign and NO double lynch

22:02

you will be open scum but you're kinda screwed already anyway

Yeah

the journal claim genuinely nobody bought

Figured

and then we can counter kill MS for a free double kill if they decide to lynch you

22:03

they might not even lynch you if smart

Tsavorit

Howling Wolf - WK Psychic Wolf - WI Scared Wolf - WM Tanner - WP Wolf - WM all but "M" category 1:1 map to a wolf role

so: Citizen (4) - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Journalist (2) - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Runner - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Exorcist - TP -> Tanner Fortune Teller - TI -> Psychic Wolf Mad Scientist - TK -> Howling Wolf Priest - TK -> Howling Wolf Pyromancer (2) - SK -> Howling Wolf Psychopath - UAI -> Psychic Wolf

22:04

we probably thus want to check for Howling Wolf I imagine, this can find us either priest or pyromancer

is it random if its wolf or scared wolf

yup

22:04

2/3 wolf 1/3 scared wolf

22:04

so checking for cit kinda bad atp

ok Howling Wolf it is

okay

22:05

now lets think who

Tsavorit

so: Citizen (4) - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Journalist (2) - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Runner - TM -> Wolf or Scared Wolf Exorcist - TP -> Tanner Fortune Teller - TI -> Psychic Wolf Mad Scientist - TK -> Howling Wolf Priest - TK -> Howling Wolf Pyromancer (2) - SK -> Howling Wolf Psychopath - UAI -> Psychic Wolf

@Host is this correct :3

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483902994952229034 thoughts? is this pyro slip

ddd's comment earlier felt like a normal comment from him as town though

22:06

He typically puts out outrageous claims or plans as TM

wait.

22:06

we chekc for Tanner

22:07

that guarantees we dont hit Tanner

22:07

Howling Wolf should overwrite Tanner

22:07

which may be kinda bad

22:07

but probably fine

we have more chances of confirming a killing role tho right?

Tanner is WP though?

Granat

Tanner is WP though?

yea but tanner gets disguised as tanner

22:08

yea HW is strong and later, Tanner is weak and earlier

22:08

so we can see Tanner as Tanner

Don't we have better odds getting a result for howling wolf

Feueropal

we have more chances of confirming a killing role tho right?

true pyro is still not too big of a threat

And also exorcist will also show up as tanner

Granat

Don't we have better odds getting a result for howling wolf

do we really care that much about killing pyros rn?

Granat

And also exorcist will also show up as tanner

hm right

22:09

okay so Howling Wolf then

Tsavorit

do we really care that much about killing pyros rn?

we could get more claimspace for the same role ig

Plus if I'll definitely be outed as scum tomorrow

lets iso alex, hend, light, mat, ocean, kazlek, swurtle, sunny, ddd and make reads?

Granat

Plus if I'll definitely be outed as scum tomorrow

you mean for finding tanner?

swurtle seems PR

i was thinking we check for tanner to avoid not to find

Tsavorit

you mean for finding tanner?

Yes

22:10

Ah

if we kill tanner by accident we wont find them

Feueropal

swurtle seems PR

does she?

22:10

let me iso

do we really care that much for tanner

22:10

its a vote

yea

22:10

IDK

Could I pass my cc to one of you guys

swurtle hasnt said much

if we get Tanner they could still be exo

Granat

Could I pass my cc to one of you guys

what for?

so we wouldnt trust them anyway

you should survive the night for sure

22:11

then it can be used for tanner search tomorrow

True

22:11

I'll wait till tomorrow then

Feueropal

so we wouldnt trust them anyway

yup so lets do Howling Wolf after all

yea

do we:

select target
check if HW
if no, new target?

yea ig

If no, do we want mgp to fake being hit tonight

22:13

As scared woolf

1

22:13

Wait

22:13

As runner

yea maybe

Tsavorit

TownsfolkCard

Townsfolk Citizen

Citizen

Citizen (4) - neoimperium yes

yes

, Kal

plus

, sinisfuel maybe

maybe

TestSubject

, hend

yes

Journalist

Journalist (2) - yuki plus

plus

, mat

plus

Runner

Runner - Arch yes

yes

Exorcist

Exorcist - ddd maybe

maybe

FortuneTeller

Fortune Teller - sonnenstein plus

plus

MadScientist

Mad Scientist - Sharl plus

plus

Priest

Priest - kazlek plus

plus

WolfCard

Werewolves HowlingWolf

HowlingWolf

Howling Wolf - Bass yes

yes

[no claim] PsychicWolf

PsychicWolf

Psychic Wolf - Fed yes

yes

[journalist] ScaredWolf

ScaredWolf

Scared Wolf - Ts yes

yes

[priest]

Wolf

Wolf - mgp yes

yes

[runner]

Wolf

Wolf - Ghost yes

yes

[citizen]

TestSubject

Tanner

Tanner - Swurtle plus

plus

PyroCard

Pyros

Pyromancer

Pyromancer - ocean yes

yes

Pyromancer

Pyromancer - alex maybe

maybe

UnalignedPlaceholder

Unaligned

Psychopath

Psychopath - light plus

plus

(edited)

I think we can confirm Arch as runner and also kal as cit and yuki as journo

22:14

who does it leave to read?

alex, hend, light, mat, ocean, kazlek, swurtle, sunny, ddd

we choose the one we know the least about and check them

updated to plus

plus

for extremly likely claims and arch to yes

yes

22:15

i feel like ocean has been much more quiet then last game

22:15

but they were the chosen D1 ctc last game

22:15

so im not sure if im biased from that

22:15

kazlek/sunny idk hend i dont know what to make of him

22:15

ddd too hard to read, probs

22:16

light townie

22:16

maybe not strong townie tho

22:19

swurtle or ocean maybe then?

Swurtle seems PR, probs TK to me Mat seems maybe Journo DDD psycho? Ocean has made a few very good observations, which means they are paying attention to the game Kazlek trying not to draw attention and stay low / play newbie /pyro? Sunny quiet Hend def not solo / playing dumb(?) Light been quite active in public and made a few provocative comments so likely not tanner (edited)

kazlek/sunny newbie

22:20

light maybe tm but not many slots left

22:20

then we check swurtle for TK

22:20

so Swurtle as Howling Wolf

sure?

or do we have better ideas?

22:20

not sure

22:20

I dont really agree with the read

@Granat got any ideas?

22:20

i wouldnt put much weight on them either ngl

Hold up, I was distracted

let me iso swurtle again, I'm not sure where you go TK from it

shes been unusually quiet

22:21

maybe pyro idk

isnt she more quiet if she has worse roles and doesnt care for the game usually?

Swurtle has been playing better recently though no?

idk

22:22

can you check archives

federick

i didnt play recently

I see the vision behind checking archives

22:22

But not even I care enough to dig through the archives to figure out how swurtle usually acts

but usually she has swurtle moments so the less she types the less likely she messes up

22:23

and the less attention she attracts

I have heard? jay? say before that swurtles activity sort of increases with better roles, but I'm not fully sure if this still holds (edited)

22:24

Since then she cares more for the game

22:25

though this is a good question to ask https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483754381869318205

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483756555815096372 https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483792813048074370 https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483813280136040468 https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483814305077137559

Alex is bringing up pyro a lot this game

what does this seem to you

hm i see it

From swurtle?

its not much activity but it is game relevant activity

Yeah her being tp/tk makes sense from those messages

alright, I'll also iso the rest of the list if you give me a bit more time

22:26

but unless there's something big we missed then we do swurtle as tk check first

yea... iso that...

22:26

(idk what iso means)

iso = isolate aka to read a certain players messages in isolation

Tsavorit

but unless there's something big we missed then we do swurtle as tk check first

i thought we were checking the least readable (edited)

ooh

22:27

that does make sense

Tsavorit

I have heard? jay? say before that swurtles activity sort of increases with better roles, but I'm not fully sure if this still holds (edited)

I don't know if that's the trend. Usually I'd see swurtle joking around or asking less focused questions as non-important roles

22:28

then we attack swurtle? and check somebody less readable as TK?

yea

I voted, dont vote

So who do we check?

who do we have the least clues on

not sure yet, let me iso

22:29

will step out for a moment and then I can do it

Wait

22:33

Light was the one that brought up the priest play earlier

22:34

I don't know if it's fair to use a piece of information that I saw

22:37

This message was a slip that got edited https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483803159351529483

that does seem like it

Granat

This message was a slip that got edited https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483803159351529483

SLIPS SHOULD NOT BE GETTING EDITED

22:40

thats not allowed

lol

I think I would do Mat, idk anything

What was the original?

22:41

I really wanna do it?

It said "I really want to do it"

22:41

Yeah

22:41

That would suggest that light is priest

yeah though editing to hide info is not allowed

22:42

so idk how to handle this

22:42

@Host fyi

the editing was immediate so idk (edited)

well clearly somebody saw it

e

the thing is it could be deliberate

22:43

to trick wolves

22:43

but thats also not allowed

what was the message

also I realized a hilarious strat would be if ghost asks to claim collect 1m before day starts

because it is not in log

EdelSteinhändler

what was the message

Apparently they edited "I really want to do it" to "I really want to see it"

22:43

I guess the edit was to small to be logged

ight

22:44

imma talk to light first about it

this could be a genuine typo as well but its weird

22:44

we should probably check them for Howling Wolf then?

Claim collecting 1m before day?

but then we're basing info of something weird

22:44

ugh

Yea

22:44

So we wait for host confirmation first

Granat

Claim collecting 1m before day?

yea ping participat that you're collecting claims and see if somebody falls for it

if its 1m before phase change then Priest cant change to target you

22:45

idk if thats a good strat

I don't think anyone is going to make a cc that fast lmaoooo

22:45

But yeah I'll do that

so who to check

Exorcist [Townsfolk Power]

Each day, the Exorcist may exorcise one player, removing effects caused by solo roles from them. The Exorcist learns which effects were removed, and the solo team whose effect is cured is also informed.

@Tsavorit if ghost comes out as wolf doesnt that confirm the other subject to others

22:59

@Tsavorit idea, should we check for MS and kill them tomorrow in the howl?

23:01

@Granat do you have any idea who it is

Seems really like sinisfuel

WAIT I HAVE A NEW STRAT IN the oven

23:02

im cooking

23:02

So basically ghost is actually confirmed town

23:03

bc if the WTS rescind the MS claim then TTS would do it to and confirm MS for a free TT

23:03

also, I realized all Reporter does is confirm ghost as scum

23:03

its not really useful actually

23:03

but mayor is basically tk

23:03

we should hold mayor

23:03

so

23:06

the strat is:

@Granat does NOT resign
@Granat still only does single lynch
Shortly after phase change (after host message) @Granat posts a message in #story-time asking for claim collection with this reasoning (if they were wolf one of the other two would've also rescinded claim forming TT; additionally they have the kal journal)

=> this is stronger than my current strat because:

reporter is not particularly useful
there is no super believable reporter target, except arch I guess
we keep mayor and can deny a second double lynch. even if ghost is still lynched the mayor re-election is delayed another day denying an additional double lynch. if ghost resigns we can still get a d3 double lynch
there will be a cit trying to form TT as well so ghost should try to be faster
people will not believe ghost but it doesnt matter much, my previous strat already ended in him being lynched thoughts?

i think thats smart yea

e.g.

@Participant at this point I believe im pretty much confirmed and there isn't really any other way forward
- I have received Kal's journal
- I am the only Lab member to rescind the MS claim - if the other test subject was town they would have rescineded as well to allow the MS to form TT, this means the wolf in lab must be between the other two

Please claim to me in cc by running `$cc create claim 759085156891099217`

(rephrased in ghosts style)

why would he be trusted still tho

23:09

eh it doesnt matter much ig

23:10

anyway @Tsavorit who to check

Tsavorit

the strat is:

@Granat does NOT resign
@Granat still only does single lynch
Shortly after phase change (after host message) @Granat posts a message in #story-time asking for claim collection with this reasoning (if they were wolf one of the other two would've also rescinded claim forming TT; additionally they have the kal journal)

=> this is stronger than my current strat because:

reporter is not particularly useful
there is no super believable reporter target, except arch I guess
we keep mayor and can deny a second double lynch. even if ghost is still lynched the mayor re-election is delayed another day denying an additional double lynch. if ghost resigns we can still get a d3 double lynch
there will be a cit trying to form TT as well so ghost should try to be faster
people will not believe ghost but it doesnt matter much, my previous strat already ended in him being lynched thoughts?

WAIT

23:12

What if we just hit mad scientist?

why though?

23:12

what does that do for us?

that way they cannot confirm Ghost, we kill 2 town also

we can kill ms next night but waste a lynch or priest on ghost

i think if ghost dies we can try to frame someone else

23:14

in lynch

23:14

although they might sus you

eh it will be tough

I'm just thinking we dont gain much by keeping Ghost alive anyway

i feel like the not resign strat is actually strongest

23:14

we deny an extra double lynch

23:15

and town may need to waste a lynch on ghost

23:15

if anything we want arch dead, not ms

they will probably do priest on ghost

23:15

i think

sure but it takes 2 double lynches

and push you for lynch

if there is a mayor election tomorrow then they can do a d3 double lynch

im gonna head to bed soon

uh will you be awake in the morning?

23:19

im not sure how we handle the light thing

23:19

optimally instant of having a correction we'd have a follow up message that tries to correct/cover it up

23:19

this is extremly weird to deal with

Message from @Meteorit sent by chimi (their mentor)

Swurtle messaged mgp claiming Tanner. Saying she disguised him as runner. Chimi wants you all to know so you don’t attack her

1

when was this

i guess your read of swurtle as a power role was right

23:23

okay

23:23

so

23:23

we are not attacking swurtle

im so epic

has or would swurtle ever fake tanner

23:23

im thinking no

no

what do we do with light

23:24

holy shit this is good

check

light not cit

23:25

ddd maybe cit

23:25

or maybe joke

23:25

hend not cit?

23:25

wait no its only 1 cit that gets the journal

23:25

not all citizens

23:25

so ignore me

23:25

23:25

okay but they're not journal receipeints at least

Feueropal

check

check light you think?

Maybe not

it feels wrong to use an unresolved situation for info

lets keep them alive to help us during lynch debates

some kinda of weird meta

23:26

hm oh yeah they're useful right now

23:27

honestly only arch is a big problem rn

yea

23:27

lets make sure nobody gets him TT

23:27

we kinda did that today

im still thinking ocean could be worth a check

23:27

11 messages only

maybe yea

23:29

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483955243451551784 do we say journo

you know whats hilarious. if we get tt then swurtle kinda fucked like last game

23:29

cause no ccs

Feueropal

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483955243451551784 do we say journo

no im asleep

okok (edited)

theres not point clarifying rn its not even towny

23:29

only helps wolves

yea

okay so are you fine wiht checking ocean as howling wolf?

yes

23:31

theoceancookie ?

23:31

right

yup

or Kazlek...?

kazlek i had the small suspicion on being ft that saw arch

they voted with arch

but its kinda insane

yea

23:32

ok we check ocean and maybe kill kazlek if negative?

you think kazlek would be a good kill?

im thinking yea

23:32

although it kinda confirms arch so maybe not

23:32

voted similarly

idk man

23:33

lets just do it so we can go to sleep

oh they are backtracking

check ocean as Howling Wolf yes

yes

-> ocean

-> kazlek

ok ocean it is

23:34

gonna do it

yup

23:34

i just wanna sleep atp

CORRECT

okay placed my vote

23:34

hopefully priest

good play i think

23:35

our disguise wolf worked out

23:35

howl*

23:35

ok night

2/3 chance of pyro unfortunately

23:35

but probably still ok

23:35

gn

We might not want them getting repo in case it confirms how many TMs died idk

@Granat @Host can we have mayor not resign?

the resign button was not pressed

Oh great

09:52

Thanks

Wolfpack

(1)

@Topas - @Tsavorit Winner: @Topas with 1 votes!

10:00

Announcement

@Tsavorit is attacking: Attack successful!

uh it says swurtle has died

10:11

but she hasnt (edited)

10:11

or am i going insane

10:12

@Host

the girl who lived...

10:12

1 sec

I feel like its going well for us overall

10:13

altho we might have lost tanner

10:13

we might have killed pyro or priest

Uh yeashe doesn't seem dead lol

bruh

10:14

how do i fix that?

kq silly

10:14

if she is supposed to be dead that is

10:14

!!!!!!!

we made double sure she died (edited)

Kq her again yea

we made sure shes dead

Image attachment

I think we might have killed priest right

10:24

its good that pyro ignited

10:25

LOL

@Tsavorit should I cc arch with my claim

Uh does that make sense rn?

10:33

We have chimi I guess now

10:34

Maybe chimi claims to have been attacked

10:34

@Calcit

does it make sense

10:35

4 ppl died 1 wolf 3 pyro (?) unless priest was involved

10:35

but they do think wolves struck twice

10:35

but it might be hard to sell in public

Eh might work

10:37

There is no hw and no priest death

10:37

It should math out

but do they think so

10:38

Should I claim FT

10:38

mmm

10:40

@Tsavorit need your help

Probably not?

10:40

Unless you're able to make it make sense with your public talking

i forgot how I talk

10:42

i feel like journo would be too sus esp if someone gets repo

10:42

and discovers yuki was journo

10:44

maybe exo?

10:45

If I am town i would normally be more proactive i think

Arch Wolf slipped https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484126573589299300

10:52

We can probs use this later

Oh I a subbed in?

12:05

@Participant what’s the plan here? Do I claim I’ve been attacked

12:06

Why did pyro ignite

12:06

This is absolutely wild

Calcit

@Participant what’s the plan here? Do I claim I’ve been attacked

Yes i think

Did ghost not resign?

12:09

What was the plan?

Yea Ts told him not to

Interesting

12:10

Ok do I participant ping? Saying I’m attacked?

I think so

12:11

Whichever you think is more natural

Cool

12:13

Btw runner can only survive wolfish attacks?

12:13

But yea

12:14

I’m going for it

12:20

;pyro

12:21

So 3 pyro death and we can say Hw did double howl?

We could

12:22

Hopefully we got priest last night

Ok ok

12:22

Can push that narrative

Calcit

Did ghost not resign?

No resign cause last night reporter wouldn't have been important. Town would have to either lynch me or get priest to kill to get their extra poll/vote back

12:25

I should've woken up earlier to counter sharl :/

Interesting

12:26

What did sharl say

12:28

So we are almost evening the vote between scum and town

Alive Players | Total: 14

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

‍

- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

If we can convince that Pyro never powdered runners we can push Arch for lynch

They're MS and are trying to form tt based off of that

5 vs 9 with ghost 6 vs 9 with pyros (if ocean isn’t one) 8 vs 9

That or ghost is lynched

Wouldn't pyro only have 4 powders max up to now?

You can only powder or ignite

12:29

I’m pretty sure

12:29

So 3 powder and 1 ignite last night

Today we need to make sure none of us gets lynched

Mm

Gonna be hard

Once they get repo they can confirm ghost

I mean we can easily say sin is the wolf but the getting journal thing is not good

Feueropal

Once they get repo they can confirm ghost

Well at that point there's been enough delaying to give town a disadvantage

12:31

Someone got journal?

12:31

Yuki sent it last night but who got it

No

12:31

Which is crazy

12:31

Is Yuki not journal?

Yuki probably is journal given that she was asking for passwords from multiple people?

Hmm

12:32

So someone got journal and didn’t come forward

12:32

That’s no bueno

12:32

Maybe they will today

12:32

Maybe

12:32

Maybe they died

12:32

Heck ya

That would be nice but we know some of the cits

Who are cits?

12:33

Powdering sin is definitely a way to kill more right

Oh for sure

I feel like Alex is one of the pyros

Neo is a cit from n1 psychic wolf check

Alex is kinda scummy

12:34

Ok ok

But you're right sinisfuel was likely cit too and could've gotten journal

Yea but sin was around last night

12:35

He was in out of character

Journal told whoever receives it to only claim after phase change

Ah

Ts mentioned that in town too

Well

12:35

Poor sin

12:35

If he’s the cit

Yeah, it's rough

Town square is so quiet

12:35

And we are yapping

12:36

It’s always an advantage when we are scheming

Well, ig I push for sin being WTS and no wolf attack on MS last night

Did anyone even question that you didn’t do double lynch?

Yes

Ok rough

Sharl and arch

12:37

Is it super bad if I die today?

Granat

They're MS and are trying to form tt based off of that

That's fine

12:39

We can accuse arch for the scum slip later

Granat

Is it super bad if I die today?

Nah

We’d love if you don’t die

But better to avoid it

12:40

Arch scum slipped earlier

12:40

I linked it above

12:40

We can use it latrr

12:40

But I'm at work

Will do

12:41

Ocean could’ve been pyro

Wolf slip as in he mentions names?

12:42

Arch wolf slip

Yea arch seems to have disregarded that ocean could've been a pyro kill shortly after ocean was even mentioned

12:45

It's scummy (edited)

Lmao arch came out guns blazing

kek

It will unfortunately be some. Hours until I can really be active

It’s fine

13:27

We will just be chilling out here

13:27

Important thing is we gotta turn the tide against arch

13:27

But honestly maybe sharl will form tt from here

13:28

What does this mean https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484166675061538920 @Feueropal

What Meteorit was doing before you got subbed in

13:29

Any ccs and stuff idk

13:32

@Calcit make sure you get this right

D1 right?

Yea, after Arch i think

lol I also don’t wanna type too much and slip

This is good

14:12

They won’t kill ghost

14:12

So now we just gotta make sure none of us dies

Yep

14:49

If we can stop sharl getting repo would be great but thats unlikely

It's kinda bad bc of the double elected kill

I wish Swurtle was alive

14:54

Tanning me as runner would be so beautiful

@Participant claim to sharl?

15:04

What’s the plan?

15:05

I’ll cc and say I’m runner ofc what’s everyone’s claim

15:09

I claimed

15:15

We should use striking cry tonight if bass doesn’t die

Yes

15:18

I think we can use it already

We need a plan to claim btw

15:19

Fed you’re claiming ft?

Calcit

@Participant claim to sharl?

We have to

I think I'm just going to claim citizen publicly and response to his message at me

Bernstein

I think I'm just going to claim citizen publicly and response to his message at me

Hold on

Y

Is bass claiming citizen a good idea?

15:38

We already have ghost doing that

Idk but it's main character for me

15:38

In character

@Tsavorit what should bass claim?

@Bernstein howl

You should claim priest if anything

15:39

We just need to carry the entire pack through this phase

15:39

But I don’t wanna make this decision alone

I can wait for TS

What do yall think

I'm sleeping anyway

15:39

Night night

@Participant should bass claim priest? So we can get everyone through this phase?

I feel like if we killed priest we get revealed

That’s fine sharl won’t know till later

Or someone could claim peychopath?

Psychopath [Unaligned Investigative]

The Psychopath has a list with one third of all the players on it. If all players on that list are dead, the Psychopath wins and stops playing. The game continues. The Psychopath is strongly disguised as a role of their choosing. Additionally, they may either investigate or weakly disguise others each day.

Should we have bass claim psycho?

15:41

We have to come up with a list

15:41

7?

15:42

20/3

15:42

Ok let’s come up with a list

Calcit

@Participant should bass claim priest? So we can get everyone through this phase?

I was doing that?

Oh sorry

15:42

Can we have bass claim psycho?

See pinned

15:42

Ive not claimed yet tho

15:42

But scw as priest makes sense?

Yep

15:43

So

15:43

We can get bass to claim psycho

Sure

15:43

No exo counter then but is fine?

Or exo

Hmm

15:44

We can have bass claim exo

The howl still goes through if bass dies right?

D0 no exo, d1 arch no powered, d2 not yet?

Feueropal

The howl still goes through if bass dies right?

No

Shit

We need to make sure bass live through this phase

15:45

Psycho is probably less likely get killed

15:45

But we can also do exo

15:46

Exo clearly hasn’t done anything useful either

Alive Players | Total: 14

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

‍

- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

@Bernstein if you were exo who would you have exorcised

Calcit

@Bernstein if you were exo who would you have exorcised

Random

Randomizing out of:

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

‍

,

yeenlook

,

15:56

Selected @Hämatit (

) (edited)

15:56

Randomizing out of:

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

,

‍

,

yeenlook

,

15:56

Selected @Kyanit (

) (edited)

Those people probably

Like would you have exo’ed d0?

15:58

I feel like you would’ve

That doesn't make sense though since pyro only powders at night

So you can say you exo Hendy d0 and arch d1, nothing both time

15:59

Yea but bass is bass

15:59

uglysmile

15:59

I feel like he’d just be doing things

15:59

Idk

Bass wasn't that active d0 tbh

I just don’t know if bass will think it through

15:59

Hmmm

15:59

Ok

15:59

So nothing d0 and d1 arch

15:59

We are good for bass to claim the exo ?

Yep

16:09

I'm going to announce claim to sharl in storytime

I am actually at work

@Bernstein claim exo and say you didn’t exo d0 because you don’t think anyone would need it and also you were absent, and then say you exo’ed arch but you got rid of nothing

16:13

D1

Ok

Then say you haven’t exo yet

16:13

Ask who you should exo

Ok

I am also at work

I have claimed and done as I was told

You guys didn't claim yet?

Looks like fed and Ts

16:53

But honestly fed is at work

16:53

And Ts too

16:53

Ddd is voting me

16:53

Ddd is probably psycho or something ridiculous

@Participant do we think I should call out the arch scum slip and push for an arch lynch? https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484126573589299300

20:21

note how ocean was mentioned only like 5 messages above

I guess you can if you can do it in a way that’s natural

I would say (as a reply): This appears to be a scum slip, note how ocean is mentioned only a few messages up but arch seemingly knows that the pyro powders did not include ocean (edited)

20:25

@Calcit thoughts?

Yea that’s a good diss

20:26

Idea

20:26

@Feueropal did you claim??

Well now we gotta bring it up

Oh fuck

Fed claims journo doesn't he

20:27

Oop

Idk

20:28

Isn’t he supposed to claim Ft?

Dunno

Oh journalist

20:28

In the pinned message

20:28

Oh no

20:29

Idk

I said I got journal from Kal and Yuki is journalist

It’s going to be hard to save fed

Either I'm lying or Fed is

But fed didn’t even claim

Oh did he not

20:29

Yowch

20:29

We have an hour though

Arch won’t be back before pc I think

I can incriminate myself to save fed?

We may be able to do a snipe but I don’t like it lol

20:30

Noooo

20:30

Idkb

20:30

What’s Ts’s thought he’s smart

Granat

I can incriminate myself to save fed?

no

20:31

let me reason double howl

We should try to save fed but it’s gonna be kinda hard

20:31

I guess probably FT saw him or something

20:32

Fed is at work

20:33

I am staying off until I’m needed

Im literally at work

Ok fed you’re here

20:36

Hmm

20:36

What should you claim

20:39

It would suck if FT saw fed as psychic wolf

is sonnenstein just ft then?

20:40

@Bernstein strike role pls

Fed has to claim FT then idk

Tsavorit

@Bernstein strike role pls

imma just in case set my chooser id to bass

20:46

if you need it

thank you stein we will def need striking cry tonight

thing is

I think I'm going to bark

20:48

Woff woof

Great

i need to remind myself to be on discord before phase change cause i am going to game soon™

Strike team

Omg

Arf arf

We only have a few minutes

Gank

We can’t save fed

no its an hour

Calcit

We only have a few minutes

its 1 hour 12 mins

Bork bork

me doing the chooser command always summons bass

It's tru

20:49

It's because I get a ping

Oh oh

20:49

I’m so confused

Wolf dance party tonight

Great

Frederick is getting lynched

Some time to turn the tide

20:50

7 people voting

don't think there's much we can do

What wolf is he

PW

I guess we played blind and gamble then from now on

sonnenstein is likely FT if you read town square

Hmm we can potentially tie it

20:51

But me no likely

20:51

Psychic

20:51

Sorry I’m on the subway

20:51

I feel like we may be able to snipe but it’s probably a bad idea

20:52

If priest is still alive we’d lose one of us

hm i think we're losing now

Too many failure points

20:53

This is no good

20:53

Well not necessarily

20:53

But

20:54

If ghost doesn’t die he will be on the gallows tomorrow

Alive Players | Total: 14

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

‍

- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

5 vs 8 -> 5 vs 6 ughhhhhh

20:55

We can hope that pyro gets killed tomorrow

a snipe is game winning here I think

But not killing sharl and ghost makes no sense

otherwise we lose fed, they FT me most likely, but Priest ghost(?)

Ok ..

20:56

I’ll try to

20:56

Be here at PC

20:56

Gather the team

the numbers probably wont work out

20:56

@Participant who can be here at phase change (in exactly 1 hour)

Only if some people don’t vote

20:56

I can

I can too

But I may be on the subway

Calcit

But I may be on the subway

subway surfer

Just vote arch to tie

20:57

Maybe

we would try to snipe on arch if possible (i dont think it will be possible)

I can as long as I get pinged

oh we cant snipe to arch anyway

20:58

ddd will switch

20:58

so we dont have the numbers

We don’t?

its insufficient for a tie on chimi currently

20:58

ddd will switch

Bad

i should've done the arch thing earlier, unfortunately I only got off work this late

We have 9 people voting 3 people are wolves

thats 6 voters

21:01

if we switch onto chimi and arch does not show up its also 6

21:01

ddd switches so its 7

Yea

21:02

Not happening

also ive absolutely played my hand and am super scummy now

It’s rough

@Feueropal actually

21:04

I think you can claim Psychopath maybe

21:05

An FT check just yields PW if HW

21:05

But if they have Psychopath info that might have you as a threat

21:05

But idk why they would check you this much

Idc anymore

I think if you claim psychopath there might be a way out but probably not

21:05

but it could be worth a try

21:07

Dang if not for work we probably could've taken better control of today, this kinda was the key day

Yea maybe claim psycho

21:09

Do we wanna give fed a list

rand it?

7 people

Signed Up Players | Total: 20

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit) yeen

yeen

- kalimoor (@Kalkoolith)

- yuki_not_cutie (@Rubin)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- matstress (@Mondstein)

- theoceancookie (@Topas)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- federick (@Feueropal)

- neoimperium (@Onyx) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Smaragd)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

‍

- basscy (@Bernstein) yeenlook

yeenlook

- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- sinisfuel (@Citrin)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

Sin, Neo, Swurtle, Kal, Alex, DDD, sunnysunshine? (edited)

21:10

Maybe not me

21:11

@Feueropal you’re going for it?

Sharl is going to leave us in a pretty shitty position gang

we will kill ft tonight

Do you know who is ?

priest is either dead, or we hope fed's read on kazlek is right

With reporter this is terrible

yeah its clearly sonnenstein lmao

21:22

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484274643345997987

Oh how

21:22

lol

like 100%

21:22

well not 100%

21:22

like 90%

21:22

but like

Oh ok

just read those messages

Yea it’s pretty obvious

21:23

I hope priest died

yeah ocean either pyro or priest

21:23

we will see if sharl reevals that much

You claimed priest?

yup

Ok

21:23

Fuck

21:23

Sin will reveal ghost too

yup

We may as well kill sharl as this point

21:23

lol

21:24

No

nope

But like

21:24

Yea

have them waste priest or lynch

Not good

21:24

If Swurtle had lived

fed was right(ish) about swurtle lets see if he was right about kazlek too

It would’ve been a lot better

light not pr probs

Alex is giving pyro or am I crazy

21:25

He’s so quiet

hm no

21:25

doesnt give me pc from last game

Hmm

21:25

So he could be a pr

21:25

Cuz he’s just sending silly stuff

21:25

Nothing serious

21:25

Neo is cit

21:26

Hmm

alex didnt use n1 cc so likely not ft

21:26

cause he gave pw to yuki

And he pops up so fast

(is this allowed reasoning?)

Whenever there’s vote

21:26

So maybe he’s in tt

21:27

Kaz and Alex probably

21:27

Man I really wish fed lives here but yea..

21:27

Idk

21:27

Psycho would show up as psychic wolf too

thats why I suggested it for fed

@Feueropal are you claiming psycho?

eh well too late tbh

I have

Calcit

Sin, Neo, Swurtle, Kal, Alex, DDD, sunnysunshine? (edited)

Here is the list

21:28

Crying

oh okay nice

Poor fed

21:28

Being at work and targeted

idk ask him how he can have info against you

I’m gonna come out and vote now

weekday games are rough

Yea..

I cant care anymore

Sorry fed!!

21:29

We will try our best

At least howl wolf didnt die

To turn this into a victory

21:30

we basically have to gamble on pyro evening the odds

I’m gonna go into my doctors appointment soon

21:30

Good luck gang

I guess blocking MS TT harder would've been preferable, maybe

21:31

Next weekend game we will strategize better

lol

21:31

We have things stacked against us

21:31

It’s ok

21:31

We will be ok

what did bass claim?

Eco

21:31

Exo

okay so thats a 1v1

MS is kinda annoying honestly

21:32

Kinda wish pyro killed sharl

i have to think more about how you should play with it

21:32

its super confusing

21:32

we have to see if priest kills ghost tonight

There would’ve been no way forward

21:32

Yea

21:32

Well

21:32

This is not good for us

if priest does not kill a wolf we would end up with +2 votes tomorrow weirdly

21:33

i assume they will be able to kill a wolf

Huh

we kill twice and ghost gains a vote

Unless ocean is

21:33

Priest

yea if ocean is priest its actually great

21:33

its a 1/3 chance only tho

Yes well

21:34

Let’s get Alex and sunshine

21:34

Or

21:34

Kaz and Sunshine

let me iso alex

Tomorrow the dying wolf can try to get pyro to talk to us

21:35

Honestly as soon as sharl is repo ghost is open scum lol

alex has spoken more than I thought

Yeah

Ghost can start uniting the damn scums I guess lol this is so sad

21:36

Ahhhh

Shouldn't have claimed to have received journal cause then we get more options to counter MS

Hendy received the

21:37

Journal

Yes

So Hendy and sin

21:37

Greta

21:37

Great

21:37

Our empire crumbled right in front of our eyes

uh

21:38

kazlek had a random discussion about priest that i missed https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484186550622490786

Hmm

21:39

Ok if we can get the pyros to message us it would be great

21:39

Since ghost is exposed anyway

It's not revealing though when you put the message in context

Yea I feel the same

21:41

At least not definitive

I find it interesting that that's the only role they mentioned, same for Sonnenstein

21:42

Im thinking Alex is Exo

Interesting

21:43

Ddd is pyro ?

let see

He’s trigger happy

oh he is

21:44

remember https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1483902994952229034

Ok great

he randomly wanted exo to come out

Ghost can message ddd later

21:44

Literally ghost is going to be our brand ambassador tonight

21:45

then we have to let ddd live

Oh what happened

Fed rage quit

21:59

He had a bad day because of work and then comes back to be lynched

No..

21:59

Poll: Strike

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Amethyst

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Kyanit

- @Onyx

- @Granat

- @Sonnenstein

‍

- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Calcit

- Random

22:00

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Amethyst

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Kyanit

- @Onyx

- @Granat

- @Sonnenstein

‍

- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Calcit

- Random

Yay double kill

If I resign tonight, does town still vote for guardian tomorrow?

Granat

If I resign tonight, does town still vote for guardian tomorrow?

No

22:01

But one sec

22:02

Need to evaluate whether if you should

Granat

If I resign tonight, does town still vote for guardian tomorrow?

dont, your double vote may matter

Ghost you may want to talk to ddd

Bark bark wolf wolf bark wolf wolf howl

Might have to wait a while before ddd responds

No worries

Should I point out the FT slip to sharl

22:11

I feel like I would do it

22:11

its sooo fucking obvious

Maybe ..

22:11

Idk

i dont think im making it very long anyway

22:12

if ocean is priest im done

22:12

if kazlek is priest im also done

22:12

if mat? was priest im also done

22:12

are there other candidates

interesting question sharl

Voting

and

as discussed

22:29

No target from sharl so far

Should I vote?

22:31

Or just you voting

jsut me should be fine, then you can outvote me if necessary

Cool

22:40

I hope ddd messages us

I'm asked to attack bass

Oop

23:32

If I'm the real runner I dodge these

Lmao

23:39

So Alex is prob the exo

Bernstein

If I'm the real runner I dodge these

Did you ever ask sharl who to exo

No I just told him I was

23:40

And then he stopped talking to me

23:40

What do you want me to say

Bro

23:40

It’s fine

23:40

You’re cooked anyway

Naw I'm public claiming runner tomorrow and saying I was attacked

23:41

I hit this going to have to crash out pretty hard in public to be believable though

Bernstein

Naw I'm public claiming runner tomorrow and saying I was attacked

That's uh wild

..

00:03

Don’t do that

00:03

@Granat did ddd message you back

Yes but ddd doesn't want to work with us

Lmao!!!!!

00:59

Is he serious

01:00

Did he admit that he’s pyro

No

Oh

01:00

Maybe he’s not pyro?

He tells us to assume that he's not pyro

I guess you can blast a message asking pyro contact you

01:00

Is there any way for you to survive?

I'm outed scum to sharl and sharl is tt

Ok

I guess me dying or not is a matter of if town wants guardian or not

So maybe it’s time for you to ping for pyro to message you

01:02

Also in th morning

01:02

Before Pc

01:02

Make sure you decide whether to resign with Ts

01:02

I feel like it depends on if oyro wants to work with us

I'll wake up early then

You may wanna resign

Yeah

No resign imo

01:03

Likely priest on ghost

Shoot a message?

01:03

To pyro

01:03

In town

But 2 vote worth guardian

01:04

If no priest alive then resign bad

01:04

If priest on ghost resign pointless

Fair

@Tsavorit should we shoot a message to get scum unite?

Probably gone to bed

May as well go for it you’ve got nothing to lose right

I love it

01:52

I love it ghost !!

01:52

The chaos is going to come

I literally only sent one message lmaoooooo

Loool

Did anyone message you

Nope

So ddd is the pyro damn it

03:03

Worst partner in crime ever

03:04

Also sharl knowing that you were wolf for sure and didn’t tell Ts to kill you

03:04

That’s probably not good right

03:04

Probably means he has another priest he trusts more

03:04

R

03:04

Or

03:05

He doesn’t wanna lose mayor

03:05

I’ll leave it for you and Ts before PC if you’re around but either way we can probably ask host

03:05

We should probably make a decision about resigning

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- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- kazlek (@Kyanit)

- neoimperium (@Onyx)

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- sunnysunshine123 (@Sonnenstein)

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- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

5 vs 6 tomorrow, even with the extra vote

03:06

If pyro won’t help us

What about psychopath

Hmmm

04:18

Maybe?

04:19

We can make an emotional plea for psycho

04:20

Just say wolf will die too fast for you to win

04:20

It would suck if psycho died already

04:21

I also don’t like the possibility of psycho playing both side

Calcit

We should probably make a decision about resigning

Still think this is not good

Town has to kill ghost imo

Calcit

Probably means he has another priest he trusts more

So this, priedt alive

07:48

Ocean pyro, ddd pyro

No activity during night

09:37

Not resigning mayor so I'm going back to sleep

Strike

(1)

@Kyanit - @Tsavorit Winner: @Kyanit with 1 votes!

10:00

Announcement

‍

@Bernstein is attacking: Attack successful!

10:00

Wolfpack

(1)

@Sonnenstein - @Tsavorit Winner: @Sonnenstein with 1 votes!

10:00

Announcement

@Tsavorit is attacking: Attack successful!

Nice they attacked me

10:15

So priest alive

10:15

But now hopefully not

10:15

Making me open scum

10:16

Scum now has a vote majority

10:16

At least one of psycho and pyro still lives

10:17

If psycho alive we control kills and they should ally with us to not have a town swipe

10:18

Ocean confirmed pyro

Ddd is not pyro

11:13

Who the heck is that last pyro

11:13

Is it Alex?

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- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- aleeeeeeeeex (@Amethyst)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- hendawy361 (@Hämatit)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- jeand.arch (@Aquamarin)

- neoimperium (@Onyx)

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- ddd8000 (@Diamant)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

Is Neo or Alex

11:15

It’s Neo or Alex

11:15

Unless it’s light

11:16

Wait I just realized

11:16

4 citizens?

11:16

11:19

Last night FT saw you lol based on the question sharl asked

11:20

Also I’m kinda outted too

11:20

Because I said I was attacked uglysmile

uglysmile

Neo is confirmed cit via pw n1, no?

11:54

Then alex?

11:54

Why not ddd?

11:55

We're all outed

Ish ddd guardian?

12:19

It’s probably Alex

12:19

Someone talk to Alex lol

Light just messaged claiming psychopath

We need to make a deal with them

13:20

Ask for the list, so we can kill a the townies from it

I think light is baiting us for info

13:33

Instead of giving the list, they're asking whether last night's kills were from howling wolf or from priest

13:35

Psychopath Kill List

- Ghost (THREAT)
- Alex (THREAT)
- Swurtle (DEAD)
- Bass
- Chimi
- Neo (Not a threat)
- Hendawy

I'm not convinced that they got this unlucky with deaths

1

Light's checks are:

D0 - Ghost
D1 - Alex
D2 - Federick
D3 - Neo

Mmm

14:07

Well at least we can try to hit up Alex maybe

14:07

If there’s a single ounce of truth in lights

14:07

I also agree

14:08

That sounds very unlucky for a psycho

14:08

So it’s probably Alex

14:09

I mean pyro probably don’t wanna work with us

14:09

Wolf kills are much faster and reliable

14:09

But if we approach it in the way that town already know who he is then maybe it’s fine

14:10

@Host when psycho dies doesn’t it say psycho descends in story time

14:11

I have a feeling that psycho has died

Granat

I think light is baiting us for info

Convince him that lynching you will be a town sweep

14:21

We should lynch alex

Town sweep?

You should argue if they lynch you they just win

14:26

Meaning there will not be enough time to get enough deaths

14:27

We should convince him to unvote or lynch any other target

14:27

If not psycho doesn't matter we need to try

Calcit

But if we approach it in the way that town already know who he is then maybe it’s fine

We should do this?

14:28

We thinking Alex is pyro then? I think I missed why

Tsavorit

We thinking Alex is pyro then? I think I missed why

Well there’s no one else

15:20

Who else could be pyro?

15:21

Idk if I buy light being psycho the

15:21

Ehh

15:21

Tbh**

15:22

We know Hendy is a cit

15:22

Neo is a cit

15:22

Sin is a cit

15:22

&-

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- neoimperium (@Onyx)

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The unknown is ddd, light, and Alex

15:23

Ddd is trusted so prob exo you know how he copies bot messages

15:23

So pyro is in there

Calcit

Well there’s no one else

Oh ok

15:28

Idk im at work

15:29

So process of elim makes sense

Calcit

Ddd is trusted so prob exo you know how he copies bot messages

Oh

It’s ok I’m also at work

15:29

lol

15:29

I just come in and out

15:30

@Granat whenever you have some time, cc Alex

you’re our saviour we appreciate your hard work

Haha hoping it all works out

Rough situation

okay

17:39

let me math

17:39

ddd is exot? alex pyro? light psycho?` how do we know this?

17:39

but lets go with it

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I'm not lying well >.<

Lying?

17:41

lol

17:41

It’s the truth uglysmile

uglysmile

Tsavorit

ddd is exot? alex pyro? light psycho?` how do we know this?

We don’t know but we do know ddd is trusted

Alex is questioning our attack on n2 and why we attacked chimi when mgp claimed runner the day before

Hmmm

alex - pyro sharl - mad scientist hend - citizen arch - runner neo - citizen ddd - exorcist light - psycho ghost - wolf, mayor bass - howling wolf bass - howling wolf chimi - wolf 6v6 for psycho: we will attack anyone at night, but pyro might kill any one person (there should be one powder) but if we all open scum vote on alex we might get a townie to switch to break the tie to at least lynch a scum this could put us 1 vote ahead, but then next day psycho teams with town to lynch any one of the wolves on list we then kill a townie psycho can keep the game in balance until everyone is eliminated

17:43

I think we're basically ALL confirmed scum, right?

Pretty much

if psycho open scums with us today then they will be able to lynch one of us with wolves tomorrow

17:43

but we eliminate a town at night

17:44

this should give them a good chance at winning

I worry light not being a town or that’s all

17:44

I mean

not being psycho?

Not being psycho

yea

Yea

but we're open scum and need to turn the tides today

Alex is our best bet

let me talk to light

True

its the best chance

Ok

17:44

Cool

pyro is difficult to predict

Pyro probably hate to work with us

17:44

Let’s be honest

if we all open scum we tie the lynch on alex

We can?

town should realize he's pyro and might side with us over a tie

Gmmm

if light votes with us

Hmmm

17:45

Ah ok

we need either alex or light to defect

I only worry that light is town but there’s nothing t lose

but light has a realistic path to victory

We are all open scum

im almost certainly confirmed scum

That list is terrible

whats the psycho list?

It’s he really that unlucky lol

Granat

Psychopath Kill List

- Ghost (THREAT)
- Alex (THREAT)
- Swurtle (DEAD)
- Bass
- Chimi
- Neo (Not a threat)
- Hendawy

I'm not convinced that they got this unlucky with deaths

Here

17:46

But it’s possible

Granat

Psychopath Kill List

- Ghost (THREAT)
- Alex (THREAT)
- Swurtle (DEAD)
- Bass
- Chimi
- Neo (Not a threat)
- Hendawy

I'm not convinced that they got this unlucky with deaths

this

17:46

ah

17:46

let me math it

7

17:46

There’s town, wolf, and pyro

17:46

It does mean that we will need to lose some people to satisfy psycho

Light's point was that I die last with sharl and wolves with with psychopath

Huh

I'm gonna walk home from uni, be back in 20 mins or so

Coool

this is too difficult to math out

17:49

BUT

17:49

if light doesnt work with us we refuse to kill ANYONE

17:49

cause we have already lost

Yea sure

Granat

Light's point was that I die last with sharl and wolves with with psychopath

Can you add me to the light cc once you're home?

Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 20-3-2026 17:50

Well yes

17:50

If ghost die then we have no oath to winning

yep so in that case we do not kill to ruin the other non-towns chance of winning

17:52

its very difficult to math out tbh

17:53

we can either try to tie on alex and hope for a town tie break vote or we try to vote out any townie with both non-towns (but this likely is too good for wolves to be realistic) (edited)

17:55

whats mat

17:55

interesting alex turned from exo into pyro

17:56

mat is journalist?

17:56

oh so journalist is between mat and light

17:56

oooooh

17:57

ykw that makes sense thats an extra role confirmation

17:57

okay I think thats makes light's claim to be very likely?

17:57

otherwise it would be VERY difficult for town to realize that light should claim psycho to wolves

17:58

they shouldn't have any way of knowing which cits we know (neo is a super random check) and psycho claim to wolves as journalist is kinda random

17:59

so thats should be the game solved

17:59

now the question just is if there is any path to win

17:59

im not sure where you got ddd being tt though

Tsavorit

im not sure where you got ddd being tt though

ddd is calling himself tt

18:07

It's not from reads or any proof

Can I just share the role list?

18:07

we have to open scum together

Sharl should know the list but it doesn't seem like other town do

Tsavorit

if light doesnt work with us we refuse to kill ANYONE

i was pinged in dead chat that something about this statement is not in accordance to the rules

oh we dont have to do it

18:08

Or wait

18:09

hm

18:09

If we lose I want to minimze the amount of time spent dead the minimize living enemies

18:09

Okay we refuse to kill anyone of value

18:09

Yup that works

18:09

We will just deliberately kill awful choices as thats still optimal for losing wolves

18:09

We just need to kill anyone

18:09

You are right

18:10

thanks!

Tsavorit

We will just deliberately kill awful choices as thats still optimal for losing wolves

isnt that just a fancier way of saying we are gamethrowing?

EdelSteinhändler

isnt that just a fancier way of saying we are gamethrowing?

nope

18:12

if we mathematically cannot win we want to kill as many people as possible

18:12

that doesnt mean we kill the people that are good to die for pyros or psycho

18:12

but you are right we should be killing as we want to kill as many enemies as possible (edited)

18:13

good that you pointed this out before I said it anywhere else

18:17

hend and neo on list

18:18

thats bad for us

18:18

maybe we let alex live and have him ignite

18:19

bc we cannot kill sharl or arch via NK

18:19

so the psycho strat doesnt work super well

Tsavorit

maybe we let alex live and have him ignite

That could be very bad for us though

could be

18:19

its 2 powders, right?

18:19

oh no

18:19

one powder?

Yep assuming that we killed one of the pyros before

uh we just gotta try on alex

18:22

I cannot comprhend how it maths out

18:23

@Participant lynch attempt on alex guardian attempt on me(?)

18:23

alex is too risky if he powdered sharl

Tsavorit

@Participant lynch attempt on alex guardian attempt on me(?)

okay?

yep

@Participant vote

Alex for lynch

Ts for Guardian

18:26

can we lynch sharl?

18:27

okay this is so ridiculously complicated to math bc it relies on what happens with alex

18:29

I dont know if we can win and I dont know if light can win

18:30

You probably have to do a funky resign somehwere

18:30

to get our votes low enough that light isnt forced to ally against us

18:36

okay this is so good actually

18:37

okay so lets consider scenario vote out alex we kill ddd light votes out bass we kill neo light votes out chimi we kill hend we vote out arch we kill sharl, killing you leaving just me and light

What’s the situation

@Calcit vote me guardian, alex lynch

18:38

light is cooperating and I realized we kind of are fully reliant on each other too cooperate

Did light agree to vote with us?

18:38

Great

yup

18:38

he will vote against us the next two days

18:38

bc he has to

18:38

then afterwards he has to vote with us otherwise he loses

18:38

so this will be a razor thin victory if we manage it

18:38

but I dont see any other path

18:39

oh its risky

18:39

we can make it less risky if we put in a resign + arch lynch

18:39

yes we need to vote out arch before we kill hend AND neo

18:39

one of them must be alive for us to be able to negotiate

Coool

18:43

Wait how did yall know that about Alex

18:43

It’s a lie lmao

Yeah dunno where ts got that from

Lmao

???

18:47

oh the FT thing

18:47

I made it the fuck up

18:47

It sounds good

@Bernstein

I doubt they FT checked alex??

Bass is sleeping again lol

Bass will... hopefully wake up

He always does kinda

Ok just understood what you're going for

18:49

I resign tonight if alex (pyro) dies

18:49

Otherwise we will always be able to tie?

uh I dont think so?

18:49

I think we need you as mayor

18:50

wait rn its 6 v 5+1, right?

Alex lynch and ddd dying puts town at 4 people plus light for 5

so if we vote alex out its 5 v 5 + 1

18:50

we kill dd its 4 v 5 + 1

We have 4 wolves alive plus mayor making us 5

okay but then we just win

18:50

so dont resign

True

18:50

Ok

18:50

kek

so light relies on it tying

18:50

im sorry?

But hmm

18:51

It depends

18:51

We may just be able to tie

wait but theres the arch kill as well

If Hendy comes online

Light can't rely on it tying though cause then wolves don't die

yes we are expecting a tie as well

True

in which case we kill alex tbh

18:51

that way he can only get a single powder ignite in

Alex could ignite tonight tho

and we just pray its a favorable one

18:51

yup but only 1 powder

True

we've all bee fairly active

18:51

if lurker maybe town

The best case is probably killing Alex rn

so we just pray

Not me trying to take a break and ended up here

soooryyy

In an intense game

18:52

It’s ok

18:52

At least it’s with you all

1

i thought this was lost tbh

18:52

but somehow our vote situation improved

18:52

which is kinda hilarious

18:53

they really priested me

18:53

I kinda figured

18:53

from this convo https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484300163265855593

18:53

that was kinda bizzare

18:54

Im confused

18:54

did they see me as scw and were thinking I was wolf?

18:54

did they see me as wolf in the disguise night?

18:54

attacking me over ghost is a 3 vote swing in our favor

18:54

or well 2?

18:55

if... alex survives and kills any townie then light is actually also screwed

I’m pretty sure

18:58

They saw you as scw

18:58

And thinking you could be wolf

18:58

And they wanted to get guardian (edited)

did they think the strike howl was through

18:58

I mean I argued that you'd be an idiot to not use it earlier

18:58

but

18:58

they clearly figured i was wolf

I think they probably thought it could be a striking cry

18:58

I mean

18:59

Masking

18:59

I believe bass will come tho

me too

18:59

if not its fine

Bass will come

99%

19:00

im scared bass will fight me for having 1% of doubt in him

19:06

Uh I think light needs Alex to survive and not ignite probably

19:07

If I try to math it out in my head

19:07

We need Alex to die, or to not ignite or to ignite a townie

@Granat do we have a cc with alex?

19:37

where he admits to being pyro?

Yes

19:37

And no

explain

Alex doesn't outright admit to being pyro

ah

19:38

i thought thats how we got alex is pyro

lol?

Tsavorit

im scared bass will fight me for having 1% of doubt in him

Why what did I do

I thought you made it up

Bernstein

Why what did I do

I said im 99% certain you will vote

Nothing

I should've been 100% certain

Tsavorit

I said im 99% certain you will vote

What about that 1%

EXACTLY

19:39

I knew I shouldn't doubt you

Understandable I am an agent of chaos who knows what excuse I would have that 1% of the time

19:40

Sorry team couldn't vote got struck by a meteor

if anyone on wwr could manage that, somehow i could believe you pull that off

19:40

getting struck by a meteor

19:40

alien conspiracy to eliminate bass

19:40

i can see it

What I don't see though is how we were able to get voting majority why are they allowing us to hit Alex They know for sure me or TS is a wolf

light is psychopath

19:41

if they vote out ghost they just lose

19:41

cause then the town targets wont die

19:41

but if they vote with us they can switch to town tomorrow

19:42

and we can get a very slow kill

So light siet the play up?

19:43

Set*

19:43

That's crazy if I was Cheryl I would not have allowed that

basically light cant win without us killing the town targets

19:44

but we can refuse to kill them if light doesnt vote with us, instead we would kill the other town targets until we lose

Ok ok I understand that light is forced to work with us

19:45

But surely Charo would be able to see this and just not allow it

19:45

I feel like town is just rolling over and getting the win to us

No we have vote majority with light

19:45

Cuase town didnt kill ghost

Oh see that sounds like a skill issue they should have elected a proper mayor

19:45

Then we wouldn't have majority

the votes shifted 3 votes in our favor

19:46

Bro ok it's a wrap then

because:

we killed two townies
they attacked me and I survived
ghost gained the mayor double vote

Tsavorit

because:

we killed two townies
they attacked me and I survived
ghost gained the mayor double vote

Holy moly they attacked you were you scarred wolf That's crazy town went like -3

19:46

Game is just over now

19:46

Wowww

19:46

What a swing

19:47

We were in trouble until that

I kind of thought sharl figured I was scared wolf

19:47

so im utterly confused

19:47

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1483466632159297660/1484300163265855593 we had this bizzare convo

See that's what I'm saying I think there has to be some sort of misplay for town to go negative 3 here

i thought he was hinting that he knew i was scared

Such a low variable on the percentage chance that we're living in this timeline

Bernstein

See that's what I'm saying I think there has to be some sort of misplay for town to go negative 3 here

the misplay is not killing ghost to get guardian

That's what I'm saying

19:48

This universe is a rare one we should not be in this current game state

19:48

19:48

I'm shocked

No we had pretty much lost ngl

19:48

also neo clearly isnt in TT

Exactly

19:48

We went from losing to can't lose

19:48

We went with some questionable risky strats and were all exposed

I don't think we earned this one

I had kinda mentally already closed up this game

Got gifted a present

Bernstein

I don't think we earned this one

we did

19:49

we did decently well

19:49

but we also did some misplays

19:49

same for town

I mean I didn't do anything special I think my play was standard

I mean I set up the game state with MS

We should have been a slight loss

Imagine alex is not pyro

Bro from -3 to -4

19:54

is he genuinely not pyromancer lmao

okay im trying to commit on the psycho claim so we can have a chance with less dead wolves

20:47

Is alex really pyro?

20:48

this feels like a particularly difficult thing to convince people off

20:50

its making me reaaally doubt it

20:50

i dont even know why we think so

20:50

i thought he was exorcist

20:56

ah pyro could be dead, right?

20:56

that would also work out

20:57

wait no

20:57

if the pyro was dead there'd be no hidden scum

20:57

yeah if there is a hidden scum its alex

20:57

or neo

20:57

but neo is checked as cit

20:57

oooh so lets see from neo if there is a hidden scum

20:57

all of town would be TT atp if there is no hidden scum

20:58

watch light flip the vote last sec. but thats why i need to flip a safety vote

Granat

ddd is calling himself tt

where is this from?

21:05

dang its the gamble

From me asking to speak to ddd as pyro

ah

21:06

oh but that could just be a lie then

And he comes back with no can do cause he's in tt

21:06

lol

why would ddd claim TT to a pyro

21:06

thats just a lie then?

21:06

to bait?

21:08

It's gambling time

21:08

Now here's the question

21:09

can we have some more luck on top of the priest hit

21:09

q: do we have to vote out alex at night (edited)

21:11

scenario #1: townie dies scenario #2: sharl dies scenario #3: ghost dies scenario #4: alex powders and does not ignite #1: if we kill another townie we might be up 2 votes and win. if we hit the same target we should be all good as well #2: -2 for town if we kill a towni and -2 for us. so the tie will hold. in the next night alex cannot ignite again as nobody is powdered #3: unrecoverable #4: we should be up one vote and can vote alex out

What’s happening

okay i tried to claim psycho to get anyone to flip their vote

21:21

but they're not budging

21:21

sad

21:22

So.

21:22

We gamble on the pyro powder of last night

21:22

past-pyro is the kingmaker now

I see

21:44

Who do we kill tonight

21:44

Did Alex say who he powdered

What happened to us having majority

21:44

Gg

Bernstein

What happened to us having majority

No we can tie

What’s the plan now

This is fine

Yea

21:46

Killing Alex would be better but hahaa

21:46

Oh well

We kill Alex to remove volatility and have a chance at a double kill

Losing one of us would kinda sucks

If we kill town we. Might overlap with alex

21:46

If Alex kills us we lose

Yea

21:46

Alex isn’t trying to work with us is he?

21:47

We should just kill Alex

21:47

I mean

21:47

I don’t see any way out of killing him

21:47

Well

21:47

Unless ddd is priest

Yup kill Alex. If he kills town we win. If he doesn't kill we do the psycho plan. If he kills us we lose

21:48

Fair enough, decent odds

21:48

Much better than I expected

Tsavorit

Yup kill Alex. If he kills town we win. If he doesn't kill we do the psycho plan. If he kills us we lose

I mean he definitely has one of us ignited

21:49

Lol

Yep

Bernstein

Lol

How do you know

21:49

I mean he’d lose anyway

Cuz I know the guy

Maybe he’s just vengeful at this point

Ye

Unless bro is never the pyro

but I’m pretty sure he is

21:49

Light got a threat hit on him

21:53

Light is this unlucky hhh

21:53

Huh

21:53

What a psycho list

Calcit

Maybe he’s just vengeful at this point

he powdered based on last nights info

True

21:54

It’s unlikely he powered us but

21:55

Who knows

21:55

Would be nice if he is cooperative

21:55

But also cooperating with wolves isn’t good for pyro

21:56

Is there a world where Alex isn’t pyro?

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Amethyst

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Onyx

- @Granat

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- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Calcit

- Random

I am really getting the feeling Alex is not pyro

22:00

which is concerning

22:00

but okay

22:01

okay

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Dang no kill poll

?

Oh I saw

22:02

If Alex is not pyro

22:02

Then who’s pyro

ddd?

What did he say to

22:03

Ghost

22:03

?

22:03

Alex

apparently ddd claimed tt to ghost

22:03

who claimed pyro

22:03

wait

Huh

why in the world did ghost claim pyro to anyone

22:03

okay

22:03

I think

What

I misinterpreted some things

22:03

Okay

22:03

So ghost said ddd is exorcist and alex is pyro

22:03

I do not understand why to be honest

Okay well to me DDD is tt right

22:04

Sharl made him guardian

wait

Why else would he be guardian?

right

22:04

that makes sense as reasoning

Unless sharl messed up really bad

22:04

Ddd is exo

no youre right

So

then alex is pyro by method of elimination

22:04

unless mat is

Hendy and Neo are cits

alex could be journalist #2

Wait

22:04

Mat?

22:05

Mat?

mat is unknown, right?

Dang

wait no

22:05

mat is a pyro death

22:05

mat is not pyro

Both pyros were alive on the night we killed ocean

22:05

Could we have killed pyro last night?

22:06

It’s possible

sinis swurtle and mat are all not pyro

22:06

that means priest is alive

22:06

cause sunny is definitely ft

Sunshine and kaz could be

22:06

Pyro

22:06

Ok

no sunny you cant convince me

So Kaz could be pyro

22:06

So Alex would be priest

kaz fed (who is back?) and I agree on being pr

Or ddd priest?

yup

Does Alex seem tt to you?

hm

22:07

actually confirmed not tt

22:07

based on town square defense behaivor

So Alex cannot be tt

22:07

So he’s not priest

so priest is between kaz and ddd

Ddd could be priest

as is exo

Wait

we dont have to play for priest being alive as that means we lose

Is priest even proven ?

22:07

You don’t die

22:07

True

22:08

Ddd is certainly exo

priest is proven either by repo or by lack of ctc

Well

22:08

Idk

since I switched to psycho

Ok

22:08

But after yesterday tho

considering I got priested

We lose?

no

So a priest claimed to have attacked you

we have to gamble

And you didn’t die

My favorite

yes

22:08

but

22:08

there is no other priest claim

Yea the FT check

22:08

Hmm

besides me

22:08

who rescinded

22:08

and was apparently FT checked

Yea but you switched after the ddd announced

yup

So

ooh

22:09

ddd not priest

Ddd doesn’t feel oriest to me

I see

Yea

kaz priest then

It’s not a guarantee but yea

so alex pyro

More likely than not

22:09

But idk

sharl said he cannot lynch alex without throwing

22:09

which is weird

22:09

but i guess he understands the gamble

22:09

that if pyro has a wolf powdered and ignites they win

Hmm

I think that locks in the list

lol I feel good but also this game has surprised me in the past

which means mat confirmed ???

22:10

cause then mat is journo

Mat confirmed, journalist?

22:10

Hmm

22:10

That

mat could be exo

Gmmm

22:10

Hmmm

22:10

Could be

but these roles dont matter

22:11

priest and pyro matters

Ok light also got a threat hit on Alex

22:11

So Alex is either priest or pyro if we believe him

We have to kill pretty ya?

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Runner - Arch

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22:12

cleaned up role list

Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 20-3-2026 22:12

I hope this is right

I think mat and ddd are uncertain

Kill the guy with the white and black profile picture of the guy sitting down or something

But the way sharl said things makes me think Alex is pyro

but that really doesnt matter at all

Randomizing out of:

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yeenlook

,

22:13

Selected @Granat (

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But like you said if priest is alive we are dead anyway

I think we kill Alex here

Syntax error. Unknown command rool!

if priest is alive we're dead

Randomizing out of:

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yeenlook

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22:13

Selected @Bernstein (

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if pyro has us powdered we're dead

Yea let’s get rid of Alex

22:13

I mean

so we need:

pyro to not ignite or to not have us powdered

(edited)

We shouldn’t even consider priest being alive

yup basically don't play for realities in which we've already lost

It’s an instant loss situation

yup

Yea

22:14

So the best thing is to get rid of the pyro who’s an uncertainty

its only worth considering the less likely scenarios when you have margin for error

Wait

22:14

What if light is pyro

22:14

thonk

who is psycho then?

22:14

mat?

Could be

22:15

Hmmm

22:15

No

22:15

No

is it worth playing that reality?

22:15

like what we do in that scenario

With sharl saying he can’t kill Alex without throwing

22:15

That to me sounds like Alex is pyro

same

And priest is dead

22:15

Ok

oooh yeah

Yes let’s do this

he realized the only town win is the pyro gamble

22:15

yup

Fuck if we get out of this one it’d be insane luck

lol the funny thing is then it would mean me being super scummy actually was super useful

22:16

cause then they attacked me

lol actually yes

22:17

The fact sharl asked you about it in town square too

22:17

That’s so funny

i was praying they would attack me and leave ghost alive but i absolutely did not except it to happen

Yea ghost not dying is critical

Calcit

The fact sharl asked you about it in town square too

I still don't understand what the scared wolf howling disguise conversation thingy was

22:17

Like what was the point

22:17

At that point I just figured he was onto me

Yea ..

22:18

lol

But it was like free info for us

I guess we will know when the game is over

22:18

But you surviving last night was very critical

it only works bc not a single wolf died at night

22:18

wild

22:19

it was so over

Well also the big boom really helped us

22:19

Getting rid of so many town

22:19

If Alex is pyro it’d be so funny

22:20

I called him as pyro as soon as I was subbed in

why?

22:21

did you read him as pyro right away?

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Cuz he isn’t around a lot and only memeing

22:23

Also igniting was a pretty ballsy move

22:23

I thought only a player like Alex would do

22:23

Or ddd

#1: pyro no ignite its a 5v4+1 with light as a tie breaker, who will join town N4 Alex -> 5v4+1 / 1 D4 Bass -> 5v3+1 / 1 N5 DDD -> 4v3+1 / 1 D5 Chimi -> 4v2+1 / 1 N6 Arch (blocked) -> 4v2+1 / 1 D6 Arch (tie) -> 4v2+1 / 1; for this one light sides back with wolves N7 Arch (success) -> 3v2+1 / 1 D7 Hend -> 2v2+1 / 1 N8 Neo -> 1v2+1 / 1 D8 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v1 / 0, psycho ascend, only I survive #2: pyro ignite sharl its a 4v3 / 1 with light as tie breaker who will join town N4 Alex, Sharl, Ghost -> 4v3 / 1 D4 Bass -> 4v2 / 1 N5 DDD -> 3v2 / 1 D5 Chimi -> 3v1 / 1, after this light switches to wolf N6 Hend -> 2v1 / 1 D6 Arch (tie) -> 2v1 / 1 N7 Arch (blocked) -> 2v1 / 1 D7 Arch (tie) -> 2v1 / 1 N8 Arch (success) -> 1v1 / 1 D8 Neo -> 0v1 / 0, psycho ascend, only I survived #3: pyro ignite arch its a 4v4+1 with light alive, but not enough to outvote us. we are forced to betray light N4 Alex, Arch -> 4v4+1 / 1, light should side with town but it will be futile D4 Ddd (tie) -> 4v4+1 / 1 N5 Ddd -> 3v4+1 / 1 D6 Hend -> 2v4+1 / 1 N6 Neo -> 1v4+1 / 1 D7 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v3 / 1 #4: pyro ignite light its a clean 5v4+1 N4 Alex, Light D4 Arch (tie) -> 5v4+1 N5 Arch -> 4v4+1 D5 Ddd -> 3v4+1 N6 Hend -> 2v4+1 D6 Neo -> 1v4+1 N7 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v3 #5-7: pyro ignite hend, neo, ddd its a 4v4+1 with light alive, but not enough to outvote us. we are forced to betray light. HND1 and HND2 refers to whoever of hend, neo and ddd remains. HND0 is the one that dies N4 Alex, HDN0 -> 4v4+1 / 1, light should side with town but it will be futile D4 HDN1 (tie) -> 4v4+1 / 1 N5 HDN1 -> 3v4+1 / 1 D6 Arch -> 2v4+1 / 1 N6 HDN2 -> 1v4+1 / 1 D7 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v3 / 1 #8-9: pyro ignite bass or chimi It's a 5v3+1 with light, light could tie with us but will join town. BC0 is the dead wolf. BC1 the survivor out of bass or chimi N4 Alex, BC0 -> 5v3+1 / 1 D4 BC1 -> 5v2+1 / 1, light after this sides with wolves N5 DDD -> 4v2+1 / 1 D5 Arch (tie) -> 4v2+1 / 1 N6 Arch (blocked) -> 4v2+1 / 1 D6 Hend -> 3v2+1 / 1 N7 Arch (success) -> 2v2+1 / 1 D7 Neo -> 1v2+1 / 1 N8 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v1 / 0, psycho ascend, only I survive #10: pyro ignites ghost its a 5v3 with light, which is a town win #11: pyro ignite me not sure if I can math this out bc a wolf win with a wolf death always has me as the sole survivor so im not sure if this can be done. in fact the only path here might be a 0v0 outcome where ghost kills sharl in the final 3, causing a light ascension and loss for both town and wolves N4 Alex, Ts -> 5v3+1 / 1 D4 Bass -> 5v2+1 / 1 N5 DDD -> 4v2+1 / 1 D5 Chimi -> 4v1+1 / 1, light after this sides with wolves N6 Hend -> 3v1+1 / 1 D6 Arch (tie) -> 3v1+1 / 1 N7 Arch (blocked) -> 3v1+1 / 1 D7 Arch (tie) -> 3v1+1 / 1 N8 Arch (success) -> 2v1+1 / 1 D8 Neo -> 1v1+1 / 1 N9 Sharl, Ghost -> 0v0 / 0, psycho ascend, no winners (edited)

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22:39

@Participant This means we lose in exactly three scenarios:

ghost dies by pyro
I die by pyro (but likely just everyone loses in this)
sharl dies by pyro

22:39

there are 10 non pyros and the option to not ignite

22:40

meaning there are 11 total scenarios

22:40

We win in 8 out of 11 scenarios Town wins in 2 scenarios Everyone loses in 1 scenario

So what's the overall percentage

22:43

8 out of 11 round like 73

22:43

76

Yeah though its not really up to chance

We will see

Yup

22:44

It's already been decided

22:44

We just have to see which scenario it is

22:44

Unfortunately the sharl scenario is more likely than others

Interesting

Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 20-3-2026 22:45

It would be tough if it were sharl

22:46

Igniting arch is great tho

22:47

Me or bass dying is the most satisfying

22:48

But pyro killing you is the most poetic one

22:48

Either way

22:49

The game has been decided if everyone plays optimally

22:49

We just have to wait till the morning to find out

22:50

Also light is the most unlucky psycho I’ve see

I just realized I mismathed scenario #2 where sharl dies

00:53

we also win that one

00:54

cause alex and sharl are -2 town votes, ghost is -2 wolf votes, so its just the same situation as today where we win with psycho

00:54

so its yet another variant of the psycho plan, this one just painfully slow with nothing phases

00:57

This means the only town win is if ghost is powdered

00:57

A ghost powder is fully nonsensical

00:57

This means the only realistic loss is if I'm powdered and then town doesn't even win

01:02

#1, #2, #8, #9 - slow psycho reliant wins which only I survive #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 - fast wolf wins #10 - town win #11 - psycho only win, but we should be able to kill all enemies to maximize that

Ok dang

01:43

Mr mathematics

01:44

Let’s hope the universe goes our way

01:44

And priest is dead

Alex has threatened to ignite us tonight

Oh dang

03:20

Do it do it do it

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@Participant Lynch

Arch Guardian

Ts

10:08

afaik this now means bass and chimi will need to be killed as not killing scum is throwing according to hosts

10:08

but if we can flip a single town vote or have them unvote we just instant win

10:08

but it should not be feasible to do so

yeah I dont have any realistic path to turn a vote here

10:23

light should switch back to me guardian later or at least unvote as otherwise we dont kill neo/hend in time for him to win

Mhm

11:50

Game's solved though

11:51

I feel kinda bad for convincing alex that we'll keep him alive only to kill him

Wait did you do that?

11:52

So he wouldn't ignite?

Alright

11:53

Wow

11:53

Alex is fuming rn

11:53

Being solo so many games in a row is already frustrating enough lmao

11:55

Sorry Alex!!!

11:55

In the next game we will finally be on the same team again

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5 vs 5 vs 1?

12:01

Town doesn’t have the vote to lynch ghost and I don’t think light will help town

Tsavorit

So he wouldn't ignite?

Yeah, I had to do that last night after you had gone to bed

Ah

12:08

Good work

12:08

I didn't think it would be possible tbh

12:08

I was just hoping we get the lucky scenarios

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Town doesn’t have the vote to lynch ghost and I don’t think light will help town

Yeah if light votes out ghost he knows he loses

12:09

Cause then his list can't get finished

Yea

12:10

So will light win this scenario

once town realizes this they are forced to side with light

He will fight

12:10

Right

as per rules and as specifically stated by stein you cannot not kill

Coool

12:11

Alex is so mad rn I bet

Poor alex

12:11

Solo again

How many times in a row now

4

It’s like the universe punishing him

12:11

Oh my gosh

oh whats the fourth?

12:12

i know plague last time

12:12

and rating site as flute apprentice

12:12

oh but s15g2 was at

Forth time Alex is playing solo in a row

12:12

Wait no I'm wrong

Mannnn

it says he was journalist is s15g4 (edited)

Three solo games out of the most recent four

yea

Holy

12:13

That can’t be fun

12:13

Altho ocean and Alex pyro duo

12:13

I swear they were pyro in an earlier game

12:13

Where Alex was killed n1

Yowch

I’ll be dying in a few days

12:15

This is a long assgame

12:16

Gaslighting

What

ruh roh

13:49

Wait

13:50

Light isn't gonna vote with town

Light won’t do that right?

light doesnt need sharl dead

That's just town loss

there's just enough townies alive to have a wolf loss with a listed psycho target alive

Didn’t light already say he won’t switch his vote

yea

13:51

but im saying he cant ally with town

Ah I see

13:51

Get me in the cc with light I will be a fly on the wall

would sharl self lynch even work for town

14:05

current: 5v4+1 / 1 d4 sharl, ghost 4v3 / 1 n5 ddd, 3v3 / 1 d5 chimi, 3v2 / 1 n6 neo, 2v2 / 1 d6 bass 2v1 / 1 n7 arch (blocked), 2v1 / 1 d7 arch (tie), 2v1 / 1 n8 arch (success), 1v1 / 1 d8 hend 0v1 / 0, psycho ascend only I remain

14:05

that doesnt even work its just a slight shuffle of the kill order

14:05

but we have no reason to go for it, ever

14:05

since if town commits to it we win without psycho

14:06

but light can be made to lynch sharl

14:06

thats bizzare

Interesting

14:09

So what works best for us?

yea i think town can force light into a sharl lynch

Oh?

but i think its fine, but there is mayor to consider

But it’s still the same for us?

14:09

Hmm

Calcit

Oh?

if they dont lynch anyone psycho loses

14:09

though thats throwing

Interesting

yeah so they cant do that

I see

just like we cant say we wont kill at all

If town gets mayor what’s that look like or can they even

they could with light support

Ok

14:10

Then what’s that after

but then once again we just kill the other townies

Hmm

if we lose at least one townie remains alive

14:11

we just make that hend or neo

What’s arch getting mayor looks like

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dont see how that happens

14:11

if sharl/ghost goes through we go -2, town goes -1

14:11

then at night town goes -1

14:11

so tomorrow its the same situation

Is it bad for psycho for get arch mayor

yes

14:12

bc then wolves lose

Hmm

14:12

Ok

14:12

So

14:12

It doesn’t really do much

if wolves lose at least one townie remains alive

14:12

and we can fully control who that is

Calcit

It doesn’t really do much

yeah but we shouldnt support it

Yea ok

a tie is preferable

14:12

then we just straight up win

Welp

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

22:00

- @Tsavorit

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Onyx

- @Granat

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- @Bernstein yeenlook

yeenlook

- @Diamant

- @Calcit

- Random

okay well hosts told me not killing when you can is throwing

22:00

so I didnt math this path out

Town threw

22:00

ah

but its the easiest one

Are you going to try and let light win too?

nope we cant

22:01

he lost bc town threw

Then we've options on how to night kill

n5 ddd d5 arch (tie) - light has to side against us now n6 hend d6 arch n7 neo

1

22:02

light will be forced to side against us tomorrow in attempt to slow us down but its futile

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this is the best outcome for us

22:03

though feels kinda unfair for light

Wait why did Town through what happened

they decided they prefer just instant losing over being able to kill 3 more wolves

Lmao

When I said we will simply not kill hosts intervened

22:04

Town just does it

22:04

vote DDD

Ok

I hope hosts take pity on us now

Can we give light a win still

Nope

23:05

Just as you must kill as many enemies as possible, you must keep as many allies alive as possible

Waaait mat is exo and ddd journalist then?

lol omg

we didnt even consider that

@Participant what would be your kill/lynch order¿

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if possible have 1 person on both polls please

youll either ff with fish if shes awake or with me who is back in like 6ish hours

chat i dont remember how to FF

10:37

@Participant can we get kill order pls :3

Tsavorit

n5 ddd d5 arch (tie) - light has to side against us now n6 hend d6 arch n7 neo

@Host

and then sharl lynch which may or may not kill ghost?

EdelSteinhändler

and then sharl lynch which may or may not kill ghost?

Oh yeah we do that last

12:06

Wait is that the wrong list

12:06

I think that list was in case of sharl lynch

12:06

But it still works

12:06

Add sharl as the d7 lynch, yeah

12:07

If you're here right now you can go FF phase by ohase

12:07

I can put the votes

will do

12:13

i guess I do $phase next?

12:14

@Tsavorit

EdelSteinhändler

i guess I do $phase next?

Yea

ight

12:15

Warning! A phase command should not be run in this game state. Please rerun with 'force' flag to confirm.

Run $cpnf

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

12:15

- @Tsavorit

- @Saphir

- @Hämatit

- @Lapislazuli

- @Aquamarin

- @Onyx

- @Granat

‍

- @Bernstein

- @Calcit

- Random

It's a command that forces phase next no matter the warning or state

ight

Short for $confirm phase next force

EdelSteinhändler

ight

Ready, I've voted

Wolfpack

(1)

@Hämatit - @Tsavorit Winner: @Hämatit with 1 votes!

12:16

Announcement

@Tsavorit is attacking: Attack successful!

12:17

Poll: Wolfpack Wolf

Wolf

12:17

- @Tsavorit

- @Saphir

- @Lapislazuli

- @Onyx

- @Granat

‍

- @Bernstein

- @Calcit

- Random

Ready

Wolfpack

(1)

@Onyx - @Tsavorit Winner: @Onyx with 1 votes!

12:17

Announcement

@Tsavorit is attacking: Attack successful!

12:18

Alive Players | Total: 6

- mctsts (@Tsavorit)

- sharleclaire (@Saphir)

- lightpulp (@Lapislazuli)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Granat)

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- basscy (@Bernstein)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Calcit) (edited)

@EdelSteinhändler Pls not issue that MS kills dead test subjects as well (edited)

so ghost survives?

No

12:19

Ghost dies

ight

12:19

imma put that into log

But sinis doesn't

12:20

Hes already dead

ye

According to storytime he died again

12:20

Which is the bot mistake

12:21

@EdelSteinhändler i think you maybe need to manually run $end too

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