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okay fine

01:45

you had points and you weer right

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dont put me down for it

01:45

im admitting you are right

01:45

dont get pretentious now

No problems

we need to find a way to fix this

We can't rely on election now

01:45

We have to make do with what roles we have

now ocean is for sure wolf, i dont see why a hm would pull this

01:46

im gonna just trust you here bc ocean already knows what i am anyways

01:46

im exorcist and im SO gonna die tonight if ocean is hm

01:46

if wolves dont get ocean, hm are just gonna re-doom me and i cant do shit

01:46

ugh

An immediate effect

01:47

So you're easy to prove

no

01:47

how would i be proven

01:48

my effects arent visible unless you get a trusted and doomed person to tell the truth

True, true, its only proof between the two of you

01:49

Have you exorcised someone today yet? I'd like to ask you to undoom me, and I can tell you my role

01:49

Let's make a mini tt

i undoomed myself

Oh

also i cant do anything

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its not day anymore

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so unless i live until tomorrow, i cant prove you

01:49

i dont think people get informed of undoom anyways

01:50

only solos and i do i think

01:50

when did you get doomed

01:50

might be good to collect dooms

01:51

ocean said they got 6 doom claims at least and idk if thats true but its something

I got doomed middle phase last night

it really doesnt matter when you get doomed

01:52

you're not allowed to go "i got doomed mid phase so it must be someone who was active then/someone in x timezone/someone who knows how to delay an action"

01:52

thats meta

01:53

it doesnt matter when you got doomed but ig people are using it to try and find out which dooms they have

Oh, I thought that's what you meant by asking me "when"

no

01:54

just the phase

And we got host confirmation its fine to say big sweeping periods like "early" or "late"

i know you did

01:55

im expressing my and probably everyones annoyance at having to re-explain a rule

01:55

its got to do with meta and any info you can take out of it is likely meta

I see, sorry

01:55

I just said the same answer as what I told ocean

did you end up claiming to ocean

Nope

01:57

I don't trust ocean one iota

you think it matters

01:57

as in like

It does.

01:57

It's a good role.

do you think you not claiming while so many people have

That's why I don't want them to have it.

well

01:58

thats not what im saying

01:58

im asking if you think they will figure out whats up with most of the list even if you havent claimed

No, I don't think they will

thats some hope to cling on to

If you're referring to "oh there's only one TP left but only light didn't claim" stuff

01:59

Then no

yea

01:59

something like that

01:59

they know the tp claim bc i did claim to coean

01:59

i did read ocean as town tho

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like i really did

01:59

i think their points made sense in the conversations

02:00

but i was probably right about the whole ocean turning my words against me thing

And that's why you have so much hatred for publicly saying reads out right? Lol

02:01

Your reservations were on the mark

i love the way you argue

02:01

you bring up good points but all of them felt tunneled to the point they didnt feel real and more of a grasping at straws thing

02:02

every tiny detail felt so thought out that i didnt think a single person could think of it

02:02

pretty suspicious of you being wolfteam having a backup of people

Oh wow that's some high praise, thanks!

oh dont think im good

02:02

im way past my prime

02:02

i like playing but im not good at it

To be frank I also love your arguments

02:03

You really consider everything and try not to be blindsided

at least town square wont be silent when im playing

02:03

ive been told too many times ive come off as aggressive and now im trying to be extra careful

For what my opinion is worth, I never felt that from you at all

we should do some numbers probably, but what chance do you think we lynched bad here, seeing that ocean mightve been horribly misinformed with missing claims

Well, for one Neo was apparently a chef that didn't communicate with any waiter

well thats at that point neither a loss or a win

02:05

couldve been on our team

02:05

couldve been against us

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but better than a pr dead

Yeah

tho a chef claim feels lackluster

A chef with no waiters too mind

02:06

No one got protected or died extra

it was a late defense and a wolfpack could come up with it bc if youre on the chopping block anyways, you can just claim anything to live a day longer

Ky Narec

A chef with no waiters too mind

i mean, not every waiter bites

02:06

and not every chef contacts waiters

02:06

waiters knowing theyre waiters might not help them

02:07

its usually better to know waiters but i do think sometimes not having your waiters know theyre waiters could be beneficial

Viv’Nia Nia’Viv

and not every chef contacts waiters

True, but no one in general said they were contacted as restaurants customer either

i dont think anyone would do that publically

02:07

as it is just more likely chef targets waiters for food

02:08

and then revealing youve been fooded gets you on the possible waiter list and thus becoming a target

02:08

thats how waiters are usually found out, compared and filtered

02:09

and wwr is unfortunately a game of "usually this, normally that, we always do x and y" (edited)

02:09

i wanted to cc you yesterday but before i got the chance to regain that thought, ocean had claimed and i did trust ocean

(sorry if Im on-and-offline I'm doing chores atm but im reading your messages)

nono dont feel pressured to react immediately

02:12

i just like expressing my thoughts when possible and send so many message if im comfortable speaking

02:12

i still need to backread but talking is more fun than reading sometimes

I should finish backreading too

Looks like you can rest assured ocean is real huh

...

12:16

Nope, there's still a chance ocean just told wolves not to attack for the night to seem like a 100% guaranteed witch

12:16

Because it's a one time protection deal they only sacrifice this once and can go back to killing

12:17

Their main concerns are the UA hence why the two lynched votes last time seemed UA

12:18

I claimed to ocean for now but if they don't take me off lynch I'm going public and scorched earth

12:19

I gave them until 4 hours from now

Ky Narec

Because it's a one time protection deal they only sacrifice this once and can go back to killing

you think thats worth it to wolves?

Ky Narec

Their main concerns are the UA hence why the two lynched votes last time seemed UA

why would wolves be concerned about ua?

Potential horsemen apocalypse would make wolfkill useless

14:29

They want to get rid of all non-town first so they can have an easy time killing town later

why would they be concerned about ua

14:30

it doesnt answer my question

Not specifically ua, but solos too

why would wolves be concerned about ua

14:31

specifically

I think I just put them in the same category

yea uh

14:31

dont

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wolves dont give a flying fuck about ua

Then let me rephrase

they might care about its effects

14:31

no i know what youre on about if you replaced ua with solo

14:31

but solo is not ua

Wolves care about solo and want to get rid of potential non-town non-wolves

14:32

They don't know which is solo and which is ua

14:32

If they find confirmed ua they can let them be

14:32

But, well, you're already fully trusting ocean (edited)

14:32

Trust wise

14:32

So this perspective makes no sense now

well they also dont know which is town

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like

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they cant know if a player is town, ua or hm

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so what the point

It is in their best interest to lynch suspicious claims and scumread players

14:40

Instead of killing anyone as long as its not wolf

14:40

You said it yourself that they can just use reads snd not rely only on mechanical confirmation

well i dont see your ua point still

14:41

its okay

14:41

it doesnt matter

So the other tk is dead

11:41

If there's no second death

Kal contacted me saying im not a threat

14:05

Ocean confirms she allowed kal to do that

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What does this mean

14:06

Did they misinterpret me being a slight threat as "not a threat"

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And thought I'm ua

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And tried contacting me for helping them vote (edited)

14:06

What the actual hell is happening

Ky Narec

Kal contacted me saying im not a threat

huh

14:16

i dont think ocean is wolf lol

14:16

i know you still think that

Kal is still saying I was checked as non threat which means I'm UA = Angel

14:29

What???

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Is this seriously a pack wolf using tracking wolf info to contact UA?

14:29

Except they misread?

14:30

They thought I'm "not a threat" when in fact i would appear as "slight threat"

so youre convinced youre angel too?

An angel is not slight threat

14:45

Slight threat is for town misc

lemme get this straight

Apparently kal was baiting

14:47

Thinking if I was UA i'd bite at the first chance of pack contacting me

14:47

I got kicked out of the cc right after

14:48

Sigh

you were suspected of being angel didnt lynch bc of it kal apparently told you? who could be wolf, angel, other ua, solo, or even town that you were not a threat, potentially revealing kals role now you say that kal is trw or pack with trw while not taking into account that 1: kal could be lying bc why would he randomly tell you and 2: youre not angel and thats why they decided to tell you (opinions change and check could defeat a bad read) youre very set on you being suspected angel to the point you dont look past it that feel more sus than whatever kal was doing tbh but alr

I did think kal was lying hence I confronted ocean about it

14:49

And admitted it was kal just baiting

of course kal is lying

I was trying to consider in what world would a town misc be checked by tracking as not a threat, and came up with nothing

trying to get you to admit youre packless or ua

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im sure you claim to be town misc

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of course you claim to be town misc

Yeah, that's the bait part, so I was just super confused because it doesn't mechanically match

your town misc claim means nothing to nobody probably

14:51

maybe only ocean

Mhmm

oh well

Yeah this was all just for nothing

no it was useful to read your reaction probably

They might check my comments there for reads yeah

14:51

I bet kal added ocean right after kicking me

they will check for reads

14:52

thats the only reason theyd do it

Reads are so unreliable thoughhhhh

14:52

Urghhh

are they?

Yeah

14:52

You CC'd me saying ocean is deffo wolf

im 100% sure that this list, seeing the roles that have so far been revealed/suspected, is based on having to read

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not on just blindly checking and hoping

Ky Narec

You CC'd me saying ocean is deffo wolf

i mean yeah, like i just mentioned, opinions can change

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and i got some useful reads out of it

My point wasn't that you were wrong, my point was that reads are unreliable

14:54

Feels like gambling at some point

come to someone with desperatation and they might say some cool things to think about

14:54

ive since gotten enough info to trust ocean

Ky Narec

Feels like gambling at some point

if youre not certain on your reads, sure

14:55

its a part of "would a player, with this role, in this kind of setup do this"

There are biases and barriers after all, it's just not my thing

and slowly you find more info, usually based on what other people say, and find out what you think is the truth

That's deduction

yea

14:55

reads are deduction

That's not reads

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Reads are "hmm this seems sus, he's not usually this talkative... LYNCH"

huh

14:55

no

That's how I always saw it

reads are always present

Stuff like deducing Neo is not town is just deduction

theyre less forward in wwr usually

Even if you didn't read any of his comments and just know what he claimed you could reach the same conclusion

Ky Narec

Stuff like deducing Neo is not town is just deduction

well its partially a read which leads to that deduction

That's not reads that's just a logical explanation

14:57

Not a psychological whatever

14:57

"Since we have 2 tk and there are 3 claims there must be 1 fake" is not a read

if i were to say "i read neo as town bc town woulve tried to get out of this with a chef claim to make sure they dont die" thatd be a read

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i dont think that

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dont try to debunk that

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thats not my actual thought process

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but its still a read based on what you think

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and if people dont agree you might change your pov

And what does your read say I am

Ky Narec

"Since we have 2 tk and there are 3 claims there must be 1 fake" is not a read

sure

Let me see the thought process

14:58

I joined the mafia sister server but I'm still on the fence in reality

Ky Narec

And what does your read say I am

your activity in town square and your general town-forward approach until ocean came around makes me read you as either town or ua trying to seem town

Why couldn't I have been wolf

earlier you had some more anti-ocean points when i was more convinced on ocean, which made me think you mightve been angel trying to get lynched

Ky Narec

Why couldn't I have been wolf

bc youd have made it weirdly hard for your wolf team to be so town-forward all the time

I mean, there's nothing stopping me from saying stuff and still using my wolf abilities and pack kill now is there

15:00

I never said anything completely against pack

i also think a wolf wouldnt vote so easily on a random lynch c theyd be suspected

It was day 1

15:00

We were just kinda trolling around

thats partially where everyones angel fear came from tbh

Ky Narec

We were just kinda trolling around

we werent and you know it

Ky Narec

I joined the mafia sister server but I'm still on the fence in reality

im a big mafia hater actually

We were! You random rolled mayor too

Ky Narec

We were! You random rolled mayor too

i very much backed up my random mayor

15:02

there was no backup thoughts on a random lynch

It was all just a time where mistakes can be laughed off

there was tons of discussion on a random mayor tho

Ky Narec

It was all just a time where mistakes can be laughed off

aw are you getting sentimental

Yeah...

15:02

sniff

would you have actually wanted bass for mayor

Those were the good old days...

15:02

Yeah

lol

I wanna give the guy a chance

dont

15:03

itll get to his head

It was my read

15:03

That he's town and is good to mayor

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That's what this is about isn't it

15:03

Trusting your read

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You can't invalidate my read just because it didn't match yours

15:04

But deductions, logical explanations?

15:04

You CAN debunk those

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Because there's clear impossible dead ends

15:04

Not so with reads, it's all vague and timey wimey

15:05

Last game I asked people how they always, always get it right whether I'm town or scum

15:05

Apparently it's because when I'm scum I pretend to be incompetent and make silly mistakes that are hiding my actual scum actions

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But when I'm town I do things as they expected me to

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So this game I'm trying to break that kind of read on me

15:07

I make silly mistakes while doing what is expected of me while pretending to be incompetent and fighting TT at all costs

15:07

Sorry, I rambled for long enough