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Werewolves Bot B BOT 24.12.2025 19:50
@Dragon of Santa Clause has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 2 @Chief Wreath Designer @Dragon of Santa Clause
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Chief Wreath Designer 24.12.2025 19:50
Oki
19:50
Nice
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Dragon of Santa Clause 24.12.2025 19:50
I will edit the name so just dont mention your role but yeah
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Chief Wreath Designer 24.12.2025 19:50
Ok yeah you got it right
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 24.12.2025 19:50
✅ Renamed channel to yeen-plus-subscription!
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Chief Wreath Designer
Ok yeah you got it right
Dragon of Santa Clause 24.12.2025 19:50
Ik LMAOOOO
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add me to cc
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!!!
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Chief Wreath Designer 24.12.2025 19:51
Omg 😭 😭
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 24.12.2025 19:51
✅ Removed @Chief Wreath Designer from the CC!
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 25.12.2025 22:58
Alive Players | Total: 8 🦆 - aleeeeeeeeex (@Magical Flock Herder) 🕯️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Phantom of Christmas Past) 🧋 - thekremblin (@The Krampus) yeen - kalimoor (@Dragon of Santa Clause) 🤴 - aliisniv (@Chief Wreath Designer) 🍷 - sinisfuel (@Dispeller of Sin) 🐉 - neoimperium (@Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer) 🦊 - yuki_not_cutie (@Elf Yuki) (edited)
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✅ Added @Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer to the CC!
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✅ Added @Chief Wreath Designer to the CC!
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✅ Added @Elf Yuki to the CC!
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✅ Renamed channel to 🐾yeen-trusted!
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:02
Hello
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Hello
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:04
Hello
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:04
We win?
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:04
Congratulations, all of town is here Everyone else is confirmed scum
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 25.12.2025 23:04
Alive Players | Total: 7 🕯️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Phantom of Christmas Past) 🧋 - thekremblin (@The Krampus) yeen - kalimoor (@Dragon of Santa Clause) 🤴 - aliisniv (@Chief Wreath Designer) 🍷 - sinisfuel (@Dispeller of Sin) 🐉 - neoimperium (@Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer) 🦊 - yuki_not_cutie (@Elf Yuki) (edited)
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:04
We have majority
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We win?
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:04
If it was that shrimple
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you see
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:05
Why is it not shrimple 🙏
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:05
the natural evolution of this gamestate
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:06
Kal are you town
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Kal are you town
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:06
No
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:07
AEAO
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:07
snivy calm down
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town still always has a positive outcome here
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anyways pinned will be the rolelist
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AEAO
Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:07
Song
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Oki I can’t wait to see this totally legit rolelist
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:08

Yeens & Rolelists [SOLVED] ⭐

Town | (9)
• 1x Town Power ⤷ 1x Exorcist - 🦊 Yuki • 1x Town Investigative ⤷ 1x Aura Teller - 🦆 Alex† • x2 Town Killing ⤷ 1x Priest "Witch" - yeen Kalimoor ⤷ 1x Huntress - 🌊 Ocean† • x5 Town Miscellaneous ⤷ 2x Devout Villager - 🦎 Jay†, 🐟 Fish† ⤷ 1x Runner - 🐉 Neo ⤷ 2x Journalist - 🌌 Sharl†, 🤴 Snivy
Wolf | (5)
• 1x Wolf Investigative ⤷ Psychic Wolf - 🐢 Turtle† "Innkeeper" • 2x Wolf Miscellaneous ⤷ Wolf - 🎨 Luffy† ⤷ Sneaking Wolf - 🕯️ Phantom "Citizen" • 2x Wolf Killing ⤷ Lone Wolf → Wolf - 🧋 Kremblin "DV" ⤷ Howling Wolf - 🍷 Sinisfuel "Barber"
Solo | (2)
• 2x Solo Power ⤷ 2x Vampire - thight Swurtle†, 💡 Lightpulp† ⤷ 2x Undead - 🍷 Sinisfuel, yeen Kalimoor
Unaligned | (1)
• 1x Unaligned Killing ⤷ Chef - 🐦‍⬛ Bass†
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yeen Kalimoor | Priest
  • N1 - ❌
  • N2 - 🎨 ✅
yeen "Kalimoor | Witch"
  • N2 🎨 attack ✅ | defend 🦆 Alex† | Aura Teller
  • N1 - 💡 ❌
  • N2 - yeen ✅
  • N3 - 🐟 ✅
  • N4 - 🕯️ ❌
  • N5 - ❌
  • N6 - 🧋 ✅ 🦊 Yuki | Exorcist
  • D0 - 🌊 ❌
  • D1 - ❌
  • D2 - ❌
  • D3 - 🦆 ✅
  • D4 - yeen ✅
  • D5 - 🕯 ❌
  • D6 - ...
    Notes
  • N3 masking+Striking night
  • 🐉 is hit Once.
  • 3x Waiters - 🦆, 💡†, 🍷
  • "I assume I got attacked N2"
  • Demonized - 🍷, 🧋 "Fakeclaim" | Dead†
-# Last updated: Early D6
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Chief Wreath Designer
Oki I can’t wait to see this totally legit rolelist
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:08
Oh nah i did actually paste it from the underwolrd channel
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We were ready to blackmail wolves
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i was actually the priest
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i just found the perfect pivot to claim witch
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:09
Oh nice luffy snipe
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:09
The roleswap was real
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okay
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i did the math
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You guys always draw
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Krem was the one who leaked
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Me
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Can we lynch krem
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🙏
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:10
Yea
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:10
Alr pro
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:10
Why are you acting like you aren’t town 💔
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Chief Wreath Designer
Why are you acting like you aren’t town 💔
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:10
Uhhh
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To upkeep my lie to tt?
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:11
Oh
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I just saw
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Undead
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:11
priest me doesnt act towny in any situation in town square
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Chief Wreath Designer
Undead
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:11
oh
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yeah all the info is there
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:11
Ok well
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This is
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:11
ocean hit sin
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which was so clutch
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:11
Why can’t people just kill me why am I always in the final 😭
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:11
i manipulated tt to live as long as possible and pull the specific huntress hit off
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Why can’t people just kill me why am I always in the final 😭
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:11
uhmmm
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maybe i convince phan to kill you at night or smth?
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idk wolves also draw
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Its a 3 way draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:12
Wait wait so ocean was huntress
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:12
Why are you surprised of this
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💔
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:12
That should be revealed right why didn’t it reveal 😭
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That should be revealed right why didn’t it reveal 😭
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:13
Kill has to be successful
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Aka
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Actually kill
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I think
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:13
Oh
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That’s sad
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:13
@Host is huntress supposed to reveal if they hit demonized and the person turns
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Also hi this is the grand finale
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of my 100000000 crashouts
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Naughty List Assessor 25.12.2025 23:14
No. Huntress only reveal when their target dies
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No. Huntress only reveal when their target dies
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:14
Nice ty chimi
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No. Huntress only reveal when their target dies
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:14
@Chief Wreath Designer
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:14
That’s nice
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Naughty List Assessor 25.12.2025 23:14
NP
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:14
Wolves will likely leak undead here
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After i ping for their lynch
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uhhh
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Who wants repo
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That person is likely dying so uhm
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who wants to die early before the draw
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Dragon of Santa Clause
who wants to die early before the draw
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:15
@Participant
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figure i dont keep sin out
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 25.12.2025 23:15
✅ Added @Dispeller of Sin to the CC!
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:15
Mi amigo fiel
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Dispeller of Sin 25.12.2025 23:16
hi guys
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Yayyy
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Dragon of Santa Clause
That person is likely dying so uhm
Elf Yuki 25.12.2025 23:17
idm
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:17
The fish mislynch 😿
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:17
yeah sorry
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Dispeller of Sin 25.12.2025 23:17
Yea :/
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:17
it was necessary if we remotely even wanted to aim for a draw outcome
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Elf Yuki
idm
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:17
Alrigjt
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:24
When did you turn undead?
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Dispeller of Sin 25.12.2025 23:24
Im town
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Chief Wreath Designer
When did you turn undead?
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:24
N2
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This results in a draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:25
So early
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:25
For the record
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So early
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:25
Yep
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Im pretty sure both wolves and you have a cc by now
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but the outcome is still a 3way tie no matter how you view it
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:26
Yeah
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Ofc
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Ofc
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:35
if you dont believe me then uhhhh
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Do the math
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Also krem is crashing out
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He was the one that leaked me
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@Elf Yuki @Dispeller of Sin @Chief Wreath Designer @Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer please vote
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if town for some reason decides to lynch me i gave phan/krem the green thumb to win on the spot in that case
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please understand I was losing from N2 and im literally happy with a draw so pls.
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🙂
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Do not """"forget"""" it's also a cheap tactic. We have 24 hours and in that case I'm handing wolf the win
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:42
Im thinkinggggg
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Im thinkinggggg
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:42
What about
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Ping me for questions
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:42
Whyd you kill alex and not me 😔
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Whyd you kill alex and not me 😔
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:43
😭
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Alex seemed to need the break
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Hes kinda
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Wasted rn
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Most likely
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:43
Oh lol okay
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I havent been pack killed in ages
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I havent been pack killed in ages
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:44
Isn't that a good thing
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If i was town i'd have probably made you+yuki tt a while ago tbh
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Drawing the kill out like that was just peak journo i'll give it to you
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Just yeah
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Ulterior motives
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You kinda are tt with yuki now
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...!
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:46
Thats nice to know
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I think this is like a really hard position to be in
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I think this is like a really hard position to be in
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:46
Uhhh for both of us
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Consider I have to moderate 2 teams that are coming to terms that it is a draw 100%
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:49
Sharl was journalist
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Omg
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Sharl was journalist
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:49
Yeah
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That wasn't actually a malicious ML
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100% accidental
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But it got ocean as town (conf) and sin as scum (conf)
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Which then made us know pulp was vamp 100%
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:50
Well thats great
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Well thats great
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:50
Aye
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Infolynch
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:51
Poor swurtle got night 1 iilled
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:51
yeah
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my honest hyena reaction to
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joining underworld with just pulp
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and realizing his demonizes
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were
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utter
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ass
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krem was a good one... Until sin turned and i realized krem wolf Jay ❌ Sin ❌ Alex ❌ Me ✅
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well
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@Chief Wreath Designer are you voting?
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y u no voting
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:52
Im thinking
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:53
About what
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What is stopping yall
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:53
About
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Everything
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All the scenarios
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:53
I spent an entire afternoon
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Doing them
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its just a draw
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Optimally, that is
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Wolves would be throwing if they kill me, for example
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:54
A draw would be optimal
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And
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:54
Yep
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:54
Christmasy
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:54
Lmao
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:54
But like
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It just doesnt give me my satisfaction
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Ill feel like a deflated baloon
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:54
Kek
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I mean
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If you guys deviate from a draw, you are willingly choosing to lose instead of a draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:55
Yeah
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Yeah
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:56
The only (pseudo)guarantee that i can get that you guys are following through, is if you vote
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:56
Ok
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Fine ill vote
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I surrender
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Just vote
23:56
Just vote
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:56
sob emoji
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:56
I already kniwmim gonna be out so just vote
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I already kniwmim gonna be out so just vote
Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:58
Ty sniv
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At night wolves kill sin
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And tomorrow, i will have to vote against you, but the poll will tie
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Chief Wreath Designer 25.12.2025 23:59
Why are they killing sin 💔
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Sinis a wolf
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Dragon of Santa Clause 25.12.2025 23:59
Hes undead
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Currently it is 3v2+1v2
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Kill wolf
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3v2+1v1
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Nightkill sin
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3v1+1v1
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Tie poll
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Etc
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Chief Wreath Designer 26.12.2025 00:00
Okay…
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Okay…
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 00:00
Any deviation results in an alignment loss so
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The fun part is (i didn't mention this to wolves)
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3v1+1v1
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 00:01
@Chief Wreath Designer if wolf kills town here, all towns alive+mayored undead win
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If wolf kills undead, wolves lose, town wins
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wolf has to do nothing
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For a draw
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So the funny thing is the moment town deviates, they lose, the moment wolf deviates, they lose
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since that loss is also shared with me it is in my best interest to enforce the scenario where it is a draw
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3v1+1v1
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 00:05
Cool thing about this is that if wolves know this it self enforces the draw sooooo
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hy
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@Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer @Elf Yuki I'll wait for your votes. Deadline is 3 hours before PC before i consider something is up and kingmake for wolves (remember PC is 24 hours!) @Dispeller of Sin 🤝 we drawing ts from pure mud
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wait
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wait up
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Chief Wreath Designer 26.12.2025 00:09
Perfect!!!!! :D
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Perfect!!!!! :D
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 01:37
Tl;dr it didn't work out
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We asked hosts (krem+I)
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lmoa
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Welp
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@Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer @Elf Yuki I'll wait for your votes. Deadline is 3 hours before PC before i consider something is up and kingmake for wolves (remember PC is 24 hours!) @Dispeller of Sin 🤝 we drawing ts from pure mud
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 01:38
This still stands
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@Elf Yuki if you wanna exo sin to confirm im not bullshitting go ahed
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Waiting on votes
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chrismus has been pretty nice
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Chief Wreath Designer 26.12.2025 02:57
Turtle literally warned us
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He said he attacked you 😔
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Dispeller of Sin 26.12.2025 03:20
on like n2 🙄
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Chief Wreath Designer
He said he attacked you 😔
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 11:31
Well
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Witch was a pretty great bluff
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yeen
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Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 15:10
Wolves have placed their ominous votes
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Neo will be the sacrifice if demands aren't met
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thight
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer 26.12.2025 15:47
What demands 😔
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer
What demands 😔
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 15:49
Krem needa die
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Kremblin is a filthy Lone Wolf, he tried to leak me and he's Wolf! Very suspicious. Very weird.
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Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 23:16
Thank you people 💜
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Now
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If phan does nothing we vote him out tomorrow and it is technically a tie As An alignment win does not happen optimally
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cuz a loop eventually forms
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Chief Wreath Designer 26.12.2025 23:54
Ok well you have sin
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Who can do nothing
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I mean make sure wolfpack is a tie
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Dispeller of Sin 26.12.2025 23:55
im town
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Chief Wreath Designer
I mean make sure wolfpack is a tie
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 23:56
😭
23:56
Undead dont have votes
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im town
Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 23:57
Well since you are town, you dont vote in poll ever here Jst ignore it
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Frfr
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Dispeller of Sin 26.12.2025 23:58
Okay bet Guys what do we do. Against the undead.
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Dragon of Santa Clause 26.12.2025 23:58
uhm
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💀
💀 1
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Dispeller of Sin
Okay bet Guys what do we do. Against the undead.
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 00:20
Sorry 😭
00:20
Arent you an undead wolf
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 00:22
No dude I'm town Barber
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Dispeller of Sin
No dude I'm town Barber
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:46
Day 6 and you havent barbered anyone smg my head
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 00:47
Nobody's told me who to barber. I don't know how to think for myself.
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Dispeller of Sin
Nobody's told me who to barber. I don't know how to think for myself.
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:48
Can you give me a haircut
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🥺
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 00:48
2 dolla
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Dispeller of Sin
2 dolla
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:48
What if i just have a dream
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🌹
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 00:49
I don't serve POOR people. Bye
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:49
Thats crazy
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Insane even
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 00:49
Just barber me
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Dispeller of Sin
I don't serve POOR people. Bye
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:49
Okay what if
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Chief Wreath Designer
Just barber me
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:49
Snivy is rich 👁️
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 00:50
My name is
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Iggy azalea
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 00:50
Dawg
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Diva
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Chief Wreath Designer
Just barber me
Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 00:55
I guess :/
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 01:46
I hope wolves kill sin
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I hope wolves kill sin
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 01:51
uhmmmmm
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...😭❓
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 02:05
he's mad i won't give him a cut
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 02:07
@Dispeller of Sin why does everyone want u dead...
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Dispeller of Sin 27.12.2025 02:07
too awesome 😞 every1 is jealous...
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 02:09
The wwrorld is not ready for this diva
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 03:40
Because I do t like people who say lalalala
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Chief Wreath Designer
Because I do t like people who say lalalala
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 10:57
Sin lalalala'd his last lalalala
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 27.12.2025 14:43
✅ Renamed channel to 🤝townyeen-diplomacy!
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 14:43
You will understand why this name is relevant
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 21:21
@Elf Yuki i provided thee with early sacrifice Why not provide me with skin-color name
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 22:47
@Participant I come to you after a revelating question I asked if you could allow your alignment to be hurt if that allows you to pursue a gamestate that can end in a better outcome (assuming the gamestate is stagnating and the "optimal" is to just perpetuate it)
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What do you guys think? Discuss
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It introduces a chance of loss, a chance of tie, and a chance of win for ALL alignments
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Actually no, there's no chance of tie with wolf (phan and I discussed this)
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If you are interested i can lay out the math
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Otherwise, say that you want the game to end somewhere (i'm pretty sure if the only alignment that can 'safely' break stagnation declines the game just ends in draw)
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Dragon of Santa Clause
@Participant I come to you after a revelating question I asked if you could allow your alignment to be hurt if that allows you to pursue a gamestate that can end in a better outcome (assuming the gamestate is stagnating and the "optimal" is to just perpetuate it)
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:05
im not sure what you mean
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are you implying we are kingmakers?
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are you implying we are kingmakers?
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:09
no
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It is more complicates than that actually
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:10
so here my understanding
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phantom has three choices tonight
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phantom has three choices tonight
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:11
Phantom's best choice will always be abstaining
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Other 2 results in his immediate loss
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He knows this
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We argued an entire evening about it actually and he ended up shanking sin
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☠️
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:13
1. kill town --> 1a. kal + phantom lynch town --> 1aa. kills you --> wolf win / 1b. kal + town lynch phantom --> undead/town wins 2. kill you --> town wins 3. do nothing --> same tie situation as today
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ok how about we do something fun
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Chief Wreath Designer
1. kill town --> 1a. kal + phantom lynch town --> 1aa. kills you --> wolf win / 1b. kal + town lynch phantom --> undead/town wins 2. kill you --> town wins 3. do nothing --> same tie situation as today
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:13
What no
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:13
if phantom chooses not to kill
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:13
1a. Kill phan
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Tie
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:13
then we just roll for who wins
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:14
my luck is rigged fr
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Dragon of Santa Clause
1a. Kill phan
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:14
in what world?
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:14
Okay lets see
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:14
this is a practice roll
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 27.12.2025 23:14
⏺️ Randomizing out of: 🕯️, yeen, 🤴
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▶️ Selected @Phantom of Christmas Past (🕯️) (edited)
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:14
rigged
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:14
my turn
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 27.12.2025 23:14
⏺️ Randomizing out of: 🕯️, yeen, 🤴, 🐉, 🦊
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▶️ Selected @Chief Wreath Designer (🤴) (edited)
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:14
Zaaaamn
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:14
oh well well well
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
Rigged
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:15
a prince always wins his games
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over a candle
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and a
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
I will NOT leave it over rng
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:15
yeen
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Chief Wreath Designer
and a
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
Watch your words
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Chief Wreath Designer
yeen
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
Best outcome
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10000 years of goodluck
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Dragon of Santa Clause
I will NOT leave it over rng
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:15
lets do a who can stand on one leg the longest competition
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Chief Wreath Designer
in what world?
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
Why would you not lynch phan
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Chief Wreath Designer
lets do a who can stand on one leg the longest competition
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:15
oh my god
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wwr sponsored by beast games type shit
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:16
pls
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tell me you know the fish girl video
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Dragon of Santa Clause
Why would you not lynch phan
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:16
we would try to but ultimately if phantom kills town its up to you to decide if wolf wins or we tie
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Chief Wreath Designer
tell me you know the fish girl video
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:16
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nop
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:17
oh ok
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Chief Wreath Designer
we would try to but ultimately if phantom kills town its up to you to decide if wolf wins or we tie
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:17
a tie is better than a loss
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Ofc
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It is not kingmaking it is directly deciding for a clearly better outcome
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Wolf always loses if he kills me or if he kills town
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Ironically, both result in wins for either of us so
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Dragon of Santa Clause
Wolf always loses if he kills me or if he kills town
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:18
then it this case wolf needs to do what would make him get more points which is staying alive longer which means killing town 2nite
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:18
if phan doesn't kill we can lynch phan tomorrow
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Chief Wreath Designer
then it this case wolf needs to do what would make him get more points which is staying alive longer which means killing town 2nite
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:18
no
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:18
agreeeed
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:18
He cannot take an action that directly hurts his alignment
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:18
he can if he knows theres no chance of winning
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:18
but if all actions hurt his alignment then his best action is not actioning
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Chief Wreath Designer
he can if he knows theres no chance of winning
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:19
Well he knows the concept of a draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:19
ok lets just stalemate then!!!!!!!!!!!! like no wtf 😭
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:19
no thats the thing
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theres a way to not stalemate
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It requires
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One of you to die to a lynch
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Phan does not want this
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:19
if he doesn't belive he csn win he can make his team not last by making underworld lose first
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:20
guys you are not understanding
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any action he takes results in immediate loss
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:20
kal resign from mayor
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:20
no
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i will tomorrow if a town is lynched though
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thats the deal
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Discuss
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:20
why
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Dragon of Santa Clause
thats the deal
Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:20
that would be throwing for your team tho
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
It wouldn't be
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:21
your contradicting yourself
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
no
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show me
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why
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Dragon of Santa Clause
It wouldn't be
Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:21
you could have won tho
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
with words
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Elf Yuki
you could have won tho
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
no
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:21
if you dont resing with a town lynch no?
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Elf Yuki
if you dont resing with a town lynch no?
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
no
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:21
especially with guardian too
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:21
If i have guardian, maybe
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let me think
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Elf Yuki 27.12.2025 23:22
well youd just use it on yourself
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town lynch makes pack win
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no matter what
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because pack can stall
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to get more kills
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Elf Yuki
town lynch makes pack win
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:23
no
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it doesn't
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also i have rationalized
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:23
yea
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thers one town vs a mayor undead and a wolf
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during a night phase
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:24
Depends if you let me elected as the guardian?
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ehhh
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Wait up
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Dragon of Santa Clause
Depends if you let me elected as the guardian?
Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:25
i feel like this just elongates the game by a night phase
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he can just kill who was protected the night before
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who will most likely be you
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kal who demonized you was it swurtle or light
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:26
nah it was sin
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:27
no
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:27
meow
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:27
idc im votinv with phantom tommorow
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:27
I need time to process
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:27
just emd the game alr
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:27
For the record
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@Chief Wreath Designer the big time question is, would you give me guardian?
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🤔
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:28
i want guardian
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:28
I also want guardian
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:28
so wolves can night kill you
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:28
So wolves can, too, nightkill you
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:28
also if phantom kills a town tonight i requeted it be me
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:28
i see we have a conflict of interest
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Chief Wreath Designer
also if phantom kills a town tonight i requeted it be me
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:29
hmm
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Interesting
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:29
im a celebrity get me out of here
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im a celebrity get me out of here
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:30
Lmao
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Okay so
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Will you lynch a town tomorrow?
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Basically deciding between a draw and a win/loss/tie
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-# game probably ends earlier with the former too but like. (edited)
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🔥 ✍️
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Chief Wreath Designer 27.12.2025 23:41
town is killed = 2v2v1. --> town is lynched 2v3 = 1 v 2 v 1 --> town is killed = 2 v 1 = Undead Win --> undead is killed = 2 v 1 = Town Win --> no kill = 1 v 2 v 1 --> town is lynched 3v1 = 2 v 1 = Wolf Win night --> wolf is lynched 3v1 = 2 v 1 = Undead Win day --> nobody is lynched/tie = loop back to 1 v 2 v 1 --> wolf is lynched 4v1 = 2 v 2 = Town x Undead Tie undead is killed = no kill =
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oops
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oops
Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:43
Why are you assuming town kill
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Any action phantom takes instantly makes him lose
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yeah hes just not killing here
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Dragon of Santa Clause 27.12.2025 23:58
@Chief Wreath Designer so well
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:04
kal i have come with the conclusion
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that you have two choices
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1. A stalemate where wolves infinitely dont kill and we infidently tie the votes 2. A tie where wolves either kill one of us and we lynch them or one of us gets lynched and we can then lynch wolves
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1. A stalemate where wolves infinitely dont kill and we infidently tie the votes 2. A tie where wolves either kill one of us and we lynch them or one of us gets lynched and we can then lynch wolves
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:08
It's not like I have agency over either
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well
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:09
its like talking to a brick wall
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Chief Wreath Designer
its like talking to a brick wall
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:10
what
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why
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:10
because neither of you are losing
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😪
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omg kal
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if you let us lynch you tommorow
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:10
gurl i literally have ZERO agency i dont have the tying power (im forced to sheep with wolf) nor the killpower (im not the wolf)
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:11
we have more time to do the aib game you wanna do!!!!
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Chief Wreath Designer
if you let us lynch you tommorow
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:11
phan cannot allow this to happen so
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Chief Wreath Designer
we have more time to do the aib game you wanna do!!!!
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:11
........ 😭
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:11
we are eating into our aib time 😔
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:11
Mmmno
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thight
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:11
we dont want to open signups in 2026
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thats bad luck
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:11
Game will end tomorrow (Montag, 28. Dezember 2026)
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So dw
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Open signups 2027
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God luck
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🤑
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:12
i mainfest you lose EVERY game in 2026
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lose thi game to reverse effects
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:12
top tier manipulation right here smh my head
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Phantom doesn't have a choice I don't have a choice
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The only alignment that has a choice is town
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:13
what choice are we presented with
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer 28.12.2025 00:14
Shaking my head my head
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Chief Wreath Designer
what choice are we presented with
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:14
So either you guys:
  • Lynch town tomorrow, open up window for win/lose aside from draw
  • Do nothing, and draw
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Shaking my head my head
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:14
smh my head indeed
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:14
you think phantom wont kill anyone?
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:14
phantom knows that he loses by killing anyone
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:14
not necessarily
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:14
it's not an "i think" it's a "girl i spent 3 hours arguing with him trying to kill someone"
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:15
he can actually win if he kills someone next phase more specifically he can win if he kills town
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:15
no he cant
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🥀
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:15
not killing anyone only makes the game loner
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longer
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:15
cuz the optimal play for both of us is to just kill him
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:15
well what if town decidesd to partner with wolves and lynch you
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unknowingly we give wolves the iwn
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win
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Chief Wreath Designer
well what if town decidesd to partner with wolves and lynch you
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:16
You forgod a tie for a loss
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:16
phantom doesnt know we wouldnt do that
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win
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:16
....... 😭 ❓
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Chief Wreath Designer
phantom doesnt know we wouldnt do that
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:16
Thisbis some
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:16
any scenario is possible so technically he can kill
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Dragon of Santa Clause BOT 28.12.2025 00:16
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 28.12.2025 00:16
(edited)
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:16
Type shit
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:16
the only kill leading to a loss rn is you
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krem said we should snipe you and i houldve done it 😠
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even if it meant losing
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:17
uhmmm
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what
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why
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you would have just
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lost
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:17
2nd place 🎀
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:17
actually no what was gamestate at that time
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4v2+1v2?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:17
it was 3 v 2+1 v 2
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:18
oh
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Snipe me
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Chief Wreath Designer
it was 3 v 2+1 v 2
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:18
no yeah thats also a draw
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Itbstabilizes at 2v1v1
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:18
wolves have killing power
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:18
Ofc i had ulterior motives to be alive rather than sin
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wolves have killing power
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:18
3v1v2
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2v1v2
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2v1v1
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draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:19
uhn
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:19
yes
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townVundeadVwolf
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:19
hmpfh
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hmpfh
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:19
smh
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Sniping me would have changed nothing
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:19
🤴
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it wouldve guaranteed your loss
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:19
hmm
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No
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I still "draw" along with
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Everyone else
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2v1v1 wolf here doesnt kill or loses
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Undead forced to vote with wolf
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:20
how do i make undead lose tommorow
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:20
Town ties or loses
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Deja vu?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 00:20
by lynching town?
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how do i make undead lose tommorow
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:20
whar
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Sob emohi
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Undead doesnt lose in that scenario just draws
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Itd all draws sniv ITS ALL DRAWS
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puts triple caffeine down
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because neither of you are losing
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 00:26
I just realized why are you assuming we are NOT losing 😭 (edited)
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 15:34
Yall got phan panicked for a sec smh smh
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Anywayas
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@Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer are you the power of neo
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer 28.12.2025 15:36
What on earth is going ON anymore
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer
What on earth is going ON anymore
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 15:41
yeen
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Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer
What on earth is going ON anymore
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 15:45
  • DRAW - vote yeen lynch | 🤴 guardian
  • Chance of [WIN/LOSE/TIE] - vote 🤴 lynch | yeen guardian That's about the premise of what is happening
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and basically the conclusion of yesterday's discussion
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This is snivy's opinion
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  • DRAW - vote yeen lynch | 🤴 guardian
  • Chance of [WIN/LOSE/TIE] - vote 🤴 lynch | yeen guardian That's about the premise of what is happening
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 15:48
@Elf Yuki if you want to get upto speed aswell
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The meth is up there (i think)
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now excuse me while i go honk
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  • DRAW - vote yeen lynch | 🤴 guardian
  • Chance of [WIN/LOSE/TIE] - vote 🤴 lynch | yeen guardian That's about the premise of what is happening
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 21:45
@Chief Wreath Designer
21:46
My name on guardian because it actually helps you 🤩
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 21:56
Nobody on guardian is more devastating for you than me having guardian, realistically anyways
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:07
Will the game end this phase if we don’t lynch me?
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@Host
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Christmas Village Manager 28.12.2025 22:09
The game will end when it is unable to continue or a team wins. If the game is unable to continue that is down to a host decision and players will not be informed until after said decision is made
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:09
Ohhh ok thank you
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The game will end when it is unable to continue or a team wins. If the game is unable to continue that is down to a host decision and players will not be informed until after said decision is made
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:09
Basically ending next year
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🥀
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:09
Well using this information
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I am going to choose to not be passive
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Because I do want the game to end
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Because I do want the game to end
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:10
You'll probably have to do it in the form of reverse snipe
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Christmas Village Manager 28.12.2025 22:10
You should always be making the decisions that allow either your team to win or allow you to survive as long as possible. Players don't need to worry about when or how the game ends unless they are winning. Host can chose to end a game early if the case deams it
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:11
Ok so using this information
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:11
Since phantom wants a tie,,,,, and as much as i want it i have 2 votes so iont got a
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:11
I am going to continue to tie the lunch
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:11
say in untie
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:12
I can’t lynch myself because then
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It’s a night 2 v 2 v 1
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:12
I resign mayor and then
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Town dies
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:12
Which means undead wins
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Because
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:12
Morning 1v1v1
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Chief Wreath Designer
Which means undead wins
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:12
What
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Waht the hell
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:13
Wait nvm
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Phantom can’t kill you at night
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:13
No continue i want to know how i win
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☠️
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:13
If he kills another town
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Then town and undead will lynch phantom
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But that’s what I was thinking
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I forgot town and wolves will vote together
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:14
wait so i win or
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Wasnt that scenario always draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:15
If I get lynched and phantom kills another town it’s a stalemate or undead win
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Or actually
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It’s a wolf win in that case
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:15
Is it
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:15
Wtv it’s a permanent town loss
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Yeah because if that lynch then draws phantom can just kill you
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:15
uhhh pluh?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:15
So town will become kingmaker
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:16
If i dont have mayor i avoid that scenario
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Since then town can safely work with me for a tie?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:16
Well it would still be a 1 v 1 v 1 😔 where a tie would still be a wolf win
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Chief Wreath Designer
Yeah because if that lynch then draws phantom can just kill you
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:16
ooooh
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Chief Wreath Designer
Well it would still be a 1 v 1 v 1 😔 where a tie would still be a wolf win
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:16
No i mean tie as in
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Town+undead tie
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:17
The one town and you? (edited)
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:17
no
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Chief Wreath Designer
The one town and you? (edited)
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:17
Oh yeah
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:17
You both lynch phantom
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:17
anyone+wolf never works
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since wolfkill
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:17
Ok hmm
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:17
basically the optimal scenario
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:17
But if phantom refuses to kill
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:18
2v1v1
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draw
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total draw
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:18
Then we go to my 2 v 2 v 1 vote scenarios
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Chief Wreath Designer
Then we go to my 2 v 2 v 1 vote scenarios
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:18
also a tie
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actually, this is why you give me guardian here
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:18
Why?
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:18
i can, with 50% certainty, force that scenario
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its in my best interest
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i might just do myself as well
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:19
But how would that stop phantom from refusing killing
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But how would that stop phantom from refusing killing
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:19
it prevents
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it
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?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:19
I feel like he’s stubborn enough to not kill
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:19
No hes forced to
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:19
Like he hasn’t even contacted me
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:19
And i dont understand his motives but he says hes forced to for some reason
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Dragon of Santa Clause
No hes forced to
Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:19
How
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How is he forced to kill?
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:20
Something something "reduce votepower as safely as possible"
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"Otherwise it is throwing"
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:20
Ok so let’s assume your tell in the truth
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If phantom is forced to kill tonight
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Chief Wreath Designer
Ok so let’s assume your tell in the truth
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:20
Excuse me
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Chief Wreath Designer
If phantom is forced to kill tonight
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:21
Idt hes forced to
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Its more like he believes he is
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:21
Why not give guardian to town
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Because if we’re working to a tie we are working together
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:21
Not in my best interest
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Chief Wreath Designer
Because if we’re working to a tie we are working together
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:21
Precisely
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yeen
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:22
Town won’t betray you because we cannot win but you can betray us if that makes sense
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:22
Town having guardian is simply not something I'd like
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Chief Wreath Designer
Town won’t betray you because we cannot win but you can betray us if that makes sense
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:22
How
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:22
If you don’t get rid of mayor
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Putting town in the king making position
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:22
If i have mayor that becomes stupid then because it is a tie until i eventually die
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Cuz i cant work with either team
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Actually i think it is just wolf win
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Why all the important discussion is always close to pc
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💔
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:24
Ok so in the scenario where phantom believes he has to kill and he kills a town member and you betrayed us by not giving up mayor you lock town out of a win because we either tie leading to a wolf win or we lynch wolves leading to an undead win because at that point getting rid of mayor would not be beneficial
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Actually I think if you got unelected of mayor it would not be in your best interest
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Ok so in the scenario where phantom believes he has to kill and he kills a town member and you betrayed us by not giving up mayor you lock town out of a win because we either tie leading to a wolf win or we lynch wolves leading to an undead win because at that point getting rid of mayor would not be beneficial
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:24
No i flat out lose?
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Both teams are forced to tie
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Dragon of Santa Clause
No i flat out lose?
Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:24
If you have mayor? And phantom kills a town?
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Chief Wreath Designer
If you have mayor? And phantom kills a town?
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:24
Yes
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:25
That’s your 2 v our 1
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Dragon of Santa Clause
Both teams are forced to tie
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:25
^
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And then wolf holds the keys of the game
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:25
Town wouldn’t be forced to do anything
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We are locked out of a win
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:25
the point is that i also am
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:25
So we technically have to do what would keep us alive the longest which is to lynch wolves
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:26
Since it causes a mathematical loss for me
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Chief Wreath Designer
So we technically have to do what would keep us alive the longest which is to lynch wolves
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:26
Huh
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Now i think thats not true
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Wolf would kill the undead first or the wolf loses
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👁️
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:27
Bro imagine I’m lynched and then phantom kills a town ember 😭 It’s 1 v 2 v 1 Tie = wolf win Wolf lynch = undead win Undead lynch = impossible Tow lynch = wolf win
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And you have to keep mayor because if you drop it it’s going against your win con
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:28
Offset by the possibility of a tie...?
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Chief Wreath Designer
And you have to keep mayor because if you drop it it’s going against your win con
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:28
no
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I can just
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Protect myself
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Drop mayor
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Cause a tie (as i think it is completely irrelevant to walk to a mathematically impossible vote)
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:29
I feel like guardian is redundant in this situation
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I feel like guardian is redundant in this situation
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:29
For you it isn't
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Since it objectively increases your chances of positive outcome
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:29
We can’t protect ourselves thooo there’s gonna be two towns
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Look kal ik what you are doing you are trying to work towards a win here and I just cannot let that happen 😭
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I’m willing to lynch myself atp but I’m not giving you guardian
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I’m willing to lynch myself atp but I’m not giving you guardian
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:31
Cough
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Why not guardian
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:32
Because guardian gives you the win 😭 😭
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Look kal ik what you are doing you are trying to work towards a win here and I just cannot let that happen 😭
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:32
Having guardian increases my chances of win entirely because i can cause a tie?
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like
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In the 1v1+1v1 scenario it is irrelevant. It extends the gamestate once
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Im the 1v1v1 scenario it is irrelevant too. Gamestate ends in a tie that same day
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Chief Wreath Designer
Because guardian gives you the win 😭 😭
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:33
so. point?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:33
Guardian lets you get a solo win
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:33
Explain? Im interested
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:33
Why the heck would you not take it at the chance you can
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:34
My current understanding is
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That i can cause the 2v2v1 tie situation
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which is just net positive
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:34
In the 1 v 1 + 1 v 1 I alr explained how town cannot win. You can prevent a wolf win with guardian by protecting yourself the night of a tie
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:34
for both of us mind you
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Chief Wreath Designer
In the 1 v 1 + 1 v 1 I alr explained how town cannot win. You can prevent a wolf win with guardian by protecting yourself the night of a tie
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:34
yes.... And the next night?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:35
You lynch phantom at day
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:35
what is this assuming
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:35
Wait no
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:35
cough,
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Thats also assuming i dont resign mayor
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:35
Ughhhh it’s just another loop
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:35
LMAO
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:35
I hate this game
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:36
yeah so
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resigning mayor
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ends in a tie Which is a positive gamestate
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even if i do and phan does nothing
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that is yet another draw but with -2 votepower for both sides
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:36
So you want me
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To lynch myself
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And give you guardian
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:37
yes, that is what I am suggesting
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:37
And your gonna drop mayor
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:37
yes
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:37
Ok and if you don’t
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:37
Game ends in draw Again
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:37
It doesn’t matter if there’s 2 or 1 town
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:37
hmmm wait
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:38
@Elf Yuki @Neo the Red Nosed Reindeer if he doesn’t drop mayor give the win to wolves
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:38
2v2v1 is something i havent considered
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:39
Why do I have to wake up so late
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2v2v1 is like a whole nother conversation
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:39
i always just considered resign mayor protect self
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if game continue
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But if i stop phan kill then it is optimal to have mayor
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Hummm
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Thoughts
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:40
2v2v1 is like , a draw
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Just lynch phantom
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:40
Its a tie,
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Yes
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:40
And 1 v 2 v 1 is a town loss
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But 1 v 1 v 1 is a tie
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So
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At the end of the day
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It’s a gamble
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:41
Tie loss tie
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?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:41
And your forgetting
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:41
For me then it is tie loss tie aswell
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:41
That I think stalemate is still in the table here ?
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And the only loss is bass lol
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Chief Wreath Designer
That I think stalemate is still in the table here ?
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:42
Yes, I just suggested something
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:42
That would be so funny
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:42
Like IK we will be here for at least 2 more days
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If the draw continues so,
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🥀
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:42
I feel like we can get a tie but it’s entirely luck based
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I want to give guardian to town in this case
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Because we can try block the wolf kill which puts us in the 1 v 2 v 1 situation
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:43
I will not forgo guardian to town since i can instantly just lose at night 😄
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:43
But then it’s still a 59/50
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Dragon of Santa Clause
I will not forgo guardian to town since i can instantly just lose at night 😄
Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:44
You losing means phantom loses as well he just wouldn’t do that 😭
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Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:44
hmmm
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He might just go ballistic on me
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again i wont forgo guardian to town
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and
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having guardian in game is mutually beneficial to both of us
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and
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i like how it looks
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so
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🫱 ❓
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:47
Hmm
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If we get into a situation
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You know what I CVA
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Chief Wreath Designer
If we get into a situation
Dragon of Santa Clause 28.12.2025 22:49
?
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Chief Wreath Designer 28.12.2025 22:58
i cba
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if we go to the next day
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then ill lynch myself
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