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Dead & Spectators

This channel is for dead participants and spectators. A complete role list can be found at the top of this channel.

13:17

Players | Total: 19

13:17

yes

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Detective

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- @Crowtherslip (Detective) yes

yes

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Apothecary

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- @Hazelkaty (Apothecary) yes

yes

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Grandma

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- @Cherri (Grandma) yes

yes

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Citizen

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thight

- @Spirndtle (Citizen) yes

yes

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FortuneTeller

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yeen

- @Kaldermoor (Fortune Teller) yes

yes

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HorsemanofPestilence

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- @Jayniper (Horseman Of Pestilence) yes

yes

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- @Jean D. Ash (Guardsman) yes

yes

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PsychicWolf

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- @Wood Aliimone (Psychic Wolf) yes

yes

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Tanner

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‍⬛ - @Beechscy (Tanner) yes

yes

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Child

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️ - @Firntom (Child) yes

yes

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Assistant

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- @Spruceclaire (Assistant) yes

yes

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CorruptWolf

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- @Luffy-of-the-valley (Corrupt Wolf) yes

yes

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HorsemanofWar

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- @Marrplefish (Horseman Of War) yes

yes

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Citizen

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worm2

- @esor goddD (Citizen) yes

yes

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WolfCub

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- @Ivyncitank (Wolf Cub) yes

yes

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Wolf

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- @Strycamure (Wolf) yes

yes

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Trickster

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- @Oakcean (Trickster) yes

yes

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Assistant

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️ - @St. Jeefhn's wort (Assistant) (edited)

13:17

yes

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SaboteurWolf

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- @Dogwootd (Saboteur Wolf) (edited)

I find it funny ocean was confused on what team she was

oh pack is not ctcing a lot wow

i do get why they wouldnt wanna go for those roles but id love to see a more original ctc

18:48

luffy mentions that he thinks det is powerful, so why not take up that claimspace?

18:48

if town doesnt know who det is, then the townsidedness he's talking about might go away

true that

18:49

but I do think that it would be difficult to fake

18:49

accually no

18:49

it works like psychic wolf

yea

i guess guessing the right roles for the list

i think its possible to fake as long as town doesnt have an obvious lead

but you dont have to tell town that

also wolves have a huge advantage with the det list here

18:50

theres only one wolf

yeh

18:50

both horsemen on it

yea

18:51

det can honestly be so good if it works with wolves here

yeh

and it can see that, as it only sees one wolf and working with the wolves to not have that wolf be the attacking wolf will also guarantee its roleblock on wolves to not waste a kill

or with horsmen, gives them more of a chance to connect together

Veranica

and it can see that, as it only sees one wolf and working with the wolves to not have that wolf be the attacking wolf will also guarantee its roleblock on wolves to not waste a kill

yeh

18:52

yeh it works really well for pack

hm working with det will be a roleblock fest ahha

18:52

i think det is very much against town this game

18:52

blocking guardsman can be really bad for town

yeh

ft too

i think luffy is focussing way too much on det going towards town that he doesnt realize det doesnt need a lot of game solving and can work with any team

19:29

its frustrating they wanna kill det bc it jsut doesnt show any of det's abilities and the teams it can work on

19:30

i hope they end up not doing it, focussing on det feels like a bad idea when theres things like ft and such

I think what luffy is saying seems accurate

19:47

The two lists detective has can be very high value info

oh they are

19:55

i just dont think coming to a conclusion that det can now only side with town is a good way to go about it

19:55

when in fact det siding with town (especially with this list but thats beside the point) is way less neccesary now

19:56

there's a pack wi and theres disguises

hi

soup

bye

ah so dumb

09:24

this is prob the dumbest thing ive done

09:24

so much pain

ouchhh

what did you do

claimed grandma n1 even tho they wouldnt get ccs until the end of the night

rip

chimi moment

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691188701728928/1437060920898486293

13:54

LOL

Invinci self-voting on lynch because he thinks it's mayor

️

I’ll never recover from this

someone always wants to lynch ddd

Ddd just has a lunchable vibe

I knew that would happen

Cherri

Ddd just has a lunchable vibe

Having a lunchables vibe is a good reason to get lynched (edited)

21:27

(get it?)

Mr beast product?

LOL

21:33

How come Luffy was lynched

21:33

What did Luffy do

Luffy-of-the-valley

Mr beast product?

Yea

Cherri

How come Luffy was lynched

Tie vote and swurtle was grandma'd (edited)

21:33

So it wasn't a tie

Ah

21:34

lol

21:34

My stupidity resolved a little

Nah you did fine

21:34

Everyone forgot about grandma

?????????

On the swurtle vote

21:34

That excuses you enough

I was the dumbest person alive and I should repent

It at least made the game winnable for wolves

21:35

So I'm thankful

Wait wasn't the vote tie to confirm grandma?

No it was random

21:35

Kind of

21:36

Unfortunately detective might blow the guardsman claim open

21:36

Unfortunately for wolves that is

well ocean did also vote so sharl had -1 votes

Duh ofc wolves will be happy I did that

21:38

Town hates me

dont worry pack may attack apot for claiming detective

I feel like 50% pack forgets to kill

oh arch is rlb the next night, intresting, and this night too from detective?

Luffy-of-the-valley

I feel like 50% pack forgets to kill

So true

22:05

Det claiming to wolf

Forget to kill? No way

both whisper roles died in the first 24 hours of the game...

00:07

Awww https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1437209478645944511

00:10

Honestly I died to make this game more fun

Did yall know this is my first night one death

Cherri

Did yall know this is my first night one death

May many more follow

hello :)

Welcome!

a worthy sacrifice

09:03

i hope

09:03

how do you do the thing where you see everyones true role

09:04

shark assistant and kal corrupt

09:05

nice

Town's in a relatively okay position, at least Kal-Arch-Swurtle are all in contact and have claimed to each other.

Steinaster

May many more follow

Well deserved after what I did

09:06

Hi ocean

09:07

I feel like arch could be like FT contacted me and become tt

09:08

Town would've been in a great position if I weren't so stupid

I've only been N1'd very few times over the years, I think.

09:08

The only one I remember was me as Lone Solo

That's so sad

09:09

When it truly mattered

It was because of that we got meta rules, because they killed me because I was top on the wolfpack poll, because I was the first signup, lol.

Lmao!

It was S5 though, so eons again.

09:10

That makes me feel so old.

Nah

09:10

Not compared to me

It's okay, in spirit I'm older, even if not physically.

I would agree with that

09:11

Sorry arch

09:11

pensivegayblob

09:12

Me so stupid

I'm kinda hoping for a Horse win

People are sussing Jay a little

09:13

I'd say fish is doing fine

09:14

Tbh I think the list was a bit town lean but with me dying it's now a toss up lmao

Yeah, maybe Jay can get out of the sus. I do think wolves are easier to lynch: Invinci wants to die as cub, dwtd and streamus just kinda exist, Snivy may be best positioned.

Yes

Cherri

Tbh I think the list was a bit town lean but with me dying it's now a toss up lmao

Yeah, we got that a lot, so thanks for doing us a service!

uglysmile

09:15

That wasn't the intention but I comfort myself by saying that

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437352918595534869/1437354242112491540

09:15

Horsemen are kinda cooked now

Both horsemen on detective list is devastating

Arch knows Swurtle and Kal, so both Horsemen are in like a group of 5.

Cherri

Both horsemen on detective list is devastating

Yeah, and 1 wolf. The randomizer did them dirty.

Lol solo is so much pain

09:17

Somehow everything is stacked against them

09:17

What did Katy claim?

Detective lol

09:17

To live I guess

Ah

09:18

Arch should try to become tt now I think he has enough

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691002193874945/1437155908835606630

09:21

lmao

yesss good sharl

Beautiful

13:46

Oh no horses are going to die so fast

13:46

Detective list did them dirty

13:46

This wolf pack is quiet

13:47

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437417512596803615 lmao sorry

What’s with this game

14:45

Why is it so quiet

Kill all the yappers at the start of the game.

Last few games had a few more people that also yapped a lot

pensivegayblob

gee no one claiming to sharl

17:39

or doing much of anything for that matter

17:40

did i die for nothing?

They are claiming

hmm I think I could vote

We got pinged

I clicked by accident

It's ok

phantom is annoying me so much (edited)

18:12

T-T

18:13

the town is just arguing the same point over and over

Cherri

They are claiming

oh maybe theyre hidden

18:13

bruh why are all channels automatically hidden all of a sudden

Oakcean

bruh why are all channels automatically hidden all of a sudden

because discord hates you

Ddd not claiming as cit is so wild

Detective might be making this too easy for town

19:36

Wait steamer claim assistant but that's not on detective list

19:36

So that means steamer is lying

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437522699550326825 with the roles they know they should be able to figure that out

20:28

i mean like who is whay

20:29

especially if they check ddd as real

20:29

which they will

20:29

then they know from the other incorrect ones which hom is jay and fish

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437527616566460506

20:57

not that particular horseman

I think this is a clear town win now

Cherri

Detective might be making this too easy for town

100% way too much info

@Luffy-of-the-valley help

Whats the issue?

idk something broke

Need me to promote

the bot said incrementing phase

21:17

but never switched phase

21:17

no one else is here

$help phase

21:17

Did you do phase next

Phase Help

Information

This command is only available to game masters, helpers or higher.

Try $help phase

21:18

I think the bot crashed temporarily and you might need to do $phase next

21:22

Could this game be half weighted or moved to off season, I think detective destroyed the balance, its an extremely easy town win even with grandma dead

21:28

Like town trusted just got formed and they confirmed every town except phantom and steef, probably one will get confirmed by fortune teller tonight

Detective might have too much info

21:31

This is after grandma died night 1 because of stupidity

Oh nevermind they confirmed steef already and are about to confirm phantom. So I guess game is solved

21:41

Yea they know the full role list

Yeah, I think Detective town-sides too much.

holy shit

21:46

Game solved

21:46

In 2 days

21:46

How did this happen

But also wolves' performance was lackluster.

21:47

I need to read exactly how Bass was lynched, but it feels akin much like some form of negligence.

Like invinci and streamus and jay were instantly found out by claiming roles not consistent with detective list

21:48

And the list confirmed all the cits

How did the list confirm all the Cits

Because it had both cits on it

21:49

So anyone not on the list claiming cit was 100% fake

Right

Like sure there's lack lusterness involved but thats a pure luck thing

Well tank was found because arch was checked as the real guardsman

21:53

Recently I’m starting to question how pack used to win

21:53

I swear for the past few games town has just absolutely dominated

We used strong confirmed roles like executioner grandma and royal knight

21:54

And probably and overuse of invest roles

21:54

And I guess public lists also make it easier for town

21:55

So yeah I'd say those 3 factors are the most important

Yea fair

If we had partial list, low invest power, and no confirming roles. I'd say wolves win most times

No confirmable roles makes it difficult for town normally

21:57

But then

21:58

This game the confirmable role died (edited)

21:58

I think it’s probably detective + FT

Luffy-of-the-valley

Could this game be half weighted or moved to off season, I think detective destroyed the balance, its an extremely easy town win even with grandma dead

noo not my rare win

Not sure honestly if I didn’t do stupid it would’ve been even more decisive

21:59

So good thing I died

Luffy-of-the-valley

Like sure there's lack lusterness involved but thats a pure luck thing

I don't disagree, in fact I agree

Luffy-of-the-valley

Could this game be half weighted or moved to off season, I think detective destroyed the balance, its an extremely easy town win even with grandma dead

I'll think on it.

I’m not fully against it either maybe half weighted I know I’m gonna get a shit subjective score lmao

lmaoo

22:01

im feeling good about myself this game though it isnt perfect

22:02

maan i havent been in gm rave in a while always dead win or no win tsk tsk

22:10

Why are you normally always wolf

22:16

How did this happen - https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691077301010462/1437551458898808994

22:17

Ddd and worm

Luffy-of-the-valley

Could this game be half weighted or moved to off season, I think detective destroyed the balance, its an extremely easy town win even with grandma dead

I agree I think

22:23

The detective change wasn't discussed properly either nor agreed on which I didnt realize either

Oh it’s the emoji

22:24

Worm emoji

22:24

worm2

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

The detective change wasn't discussed properly either nor agreed on which I didnt realize either

And furthermore we ended up with two untested roles which is definitely a bad idea in hindsight, idk why this didnt occur to me in advance

Cherri

Why are you normally always wolf

im a good mix i feel. whatever team doesnt win im that. except sometimes i get a dead win yay.

22:59

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437561558170603665/1437561695793844224

22:59

omg beautiful last name

22:59

im jelous

jordan mixed up swurtle and fish

23:57

I was dead tired the entire day but didnt fall asleep cause i wanna go to bed at a reasonable time

23:57

now when I want to sleep I cant fall asleep cause I aint tired anymore

Try sleeping pills

No

What's up chat

the sky

That’s a beautiful last name

So how's the game looking

delicious

Town win ya

Aleeeeeeeeex

delicious

omnomnom

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

And furthermore we ended up with two untested roles which is definitely a bad idea in hindsight, idk why this didnt occur to me in advance

Yeah, I added Guardsman because we didn't have Detective, but then we ended up adding Detective.

Detective is

09:40

BROKEN

09:41

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691188701728928/1437581810895683604

09:42

GIRL IT WAS GONNA WORK

09:42

OMG

09:42

THESE

09:42

OPPS

09:42

DONT KNOW WHAT FUN IS

09:42

im pelting phan postgame

Yewki

especially if they check ddd as real

We deducted ddd is cit without asking him for his claim

09:46

Absolute cinema

09:48

Det is so incredibly townsided

Kaldermoor

BROKEN

Yeah

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1437214637778010215 No fucking way

09:53

I get sussed as ft

09:53

due to this INNOCUOUS AHHH COMMENT

09:54

Out of all the ways i can get sussed as FT i get sussed as FT that way ruhbruh.

I think sharl spoke too much

10:05

Indeed

10:05

Said rolelist solved

10:05

Hmm

Alive Players | Total: 13

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

@Host is the mayor ⅔ check rounded, rounded up, or rounded down?

Signed Up Players | Total: 19

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty)

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Cherri) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle) yeen

yeen

- kalimoor (@Kaldermoor)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

‍⬛ - basscy (@Beechscy)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- captainluffy (@Luffy-of-the-valley)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

- streamus (@Strycamure)

- theoceancookie (@Oakcean)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

Wait wolves also had the same solving capabilities

Kaldermoor

@Host is the mayor ⅔ check rounded, rounded up, or rounded down?

Good question. The bot knows, but I'd guess rounded up. So 13.

Look at sniv's channe

Mistle Toertle

Good question. The bot knows, but I'd guess rounded up. So 13.

Preposterous

Maybe not

So currently mayor has double votes

10:08

o

10:09

ceil

10:09

what does that pasta even mean.

10:09

Total/1.5

10:09

Oh yes

10:09

Ceil is

10:10

The uh uh uh

10:10

Math function for round up

10:10

Ans that equates 13

Kaldermoor

So currently mayor has double votes

Yes

10:10

I checked the logs

10:10

He got a double vote this phase

Mistle Toertle

He got a double vote this phase

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690932258045962/1437713703263797311 It dont mention it so might be good to bring up to @Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

10:11

But yippe

10:11

That means town wins

10:11

If this lynch goes through

Doesn't town win anyways

And if ddd doesnt throw

Mistle Toertle

Doesn't town win anyways

Depends on ddd

Alive Players | Total: 13

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

lol, lmao

It's 5 scum

Mistle Toertle

It's 5 scum

2 war doomed

10:12

Kruthers katy

10:12

Have no vote

Oh real, 5v7 then.

Yeah

10:12

Its closer than it looks

10:13

So thats why sharl claiming that all scum are mech proven bad,

10:13

Is bad

Kaldermoor

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690932258045962/1437713703263797311 It dont mention it so might be good to bring up to @Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

Hmm, is it usually brought up by the bot?

Should have just said X Y are mech proven bad at their claim

Mistle Toertle

Hmm, is it usually brought up by the bot?

I think so

10:14

I suppose its endphase

10:15

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437732140094849045

10:15

Tbf i think id rather not make counteractive plans against someone actively throwing

10:15

sharl is not the tanner. Rejoice

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

@Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor can you let me know if this needs to be announced now? I feel like it'd make sense, yeah

I had so much fun roleplaying with phan

10:23

The worst part is if he actually complied it would have worked

10:23

Same w/ ddd

10:28

My @DDD mentor never shipped...

honses gonna be hung damn

Steinaster

honses gonna be hung damn

We solved the list

10:31

was too funny to walk up to phan and say "ur child"

10:31

Then walk up to ddd and say "ur cit"

10:31

I would have walked up to jay and said "ur horseman of pestilence", then walk to fish and say " and you're horseman of war"

I think det is a huge injection of info for any team

10:49

The issue is that this injection of info is disproportionately strong for town: see: snivy VS mini TT utilizing it Snivy was just theorizing who is FT Mini TT found the 2 horsemen and confirmed a townie, which in turn cascaded into finding an extra scum (DDD Swurtle cit = dwtd 100% lying) It also completely fucked up the HMs @Mistle Toertle a small breakdown

10:50

it also made some people more trustworthy for TT

10:50

See: FT (me) cit (swurtle) arch (gman)

10:50

actually wait

10:51

det can build a TT since that helps him win significantly faster

10:51

XD

Yes, there is no true motivation to side with scum.

Mistle Toertle

Yes, there is no true motivation to side with scum.

Considering that invinci did not share any info with kruthers, it is well founded

Mistle Toertle

@Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor can you let me know if this needs to be announced now? I feel like it'd make sense, yeah

It's showing original message was deleted

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691015443550339/1437780605092892702 Imagine blud pulls this shit while war doomed

13:33

imagine

13:34

If i was alive, i would switch jay for kruthers if they started working together out of nowhere

13:34

Eyeroll

It's pretty much in ff territory

Yuh

How many fake assistant claims did we have

4

15:01

XD

That was devastating

15:02

Why is ddd so against tt lol

Ddd and phan

15:02

We didnt add them to tt for a reason

Looool

Even though mech confirm

Combative

Cherri

That was devastating

Town still won even tho I fucked up more than I can imagine

Kaldermoor

Even though mech confirm

Ddd is obvious (for all we know he would throw our entire game to wolves) Phan would probably somehow still be skeptical and end up throwing to wolves for all we knew too also both would yap against our plans in all cases so like h

Lmaoooo

15:07

Sigh

15:07

Phan tends to be skeptical

15:07

Unless mech confirmed

unhealthy skepticism

15:07

but

15:08

At least hes keeping reads are a thing in minf too

Cherri

Town still won even tho I fucked up more than I can imagine

The game isn't decided by one person

1

15:08

(Unless that person is detective)

15:09

But if ur town not in tt, you shouldn't be able to decide the game

Ofc but normally that merch confirmable person is very important

15:12

Need to try best not to screw up

Luffy-of-the-valley

The game isn't decided by one person

This and then inspite of your death town activity was high comparing wolf activity (not to diss wolves, there were active wolves, but not so many).

16:24

I like how Sharl calls them baddies.

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1437827015196803175

16:31

If they believe this explanation

16:32

16:37

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437828518191824946

16:37

Once mayor votes its over

16:37

like tbh

16:38

We know ddd will probably help wolves here somehow cuz he wants

16:38

Reject that tt is somehow 8 people

16:38

Help the 5 people that are like the exact amount of scum that can be left idk

16:38

16:42

The game is over

16:42

Steef revived

16:42

Oi bass

16:42

Why did you randomly say you trust me

16:42

It got me killed by wolves since they suspected i was ft for all the wrong reasons

16:42

Mistle Toertle

Yeah, I added Guardsman because we didn't have Detective, but then we ended up adding Detective.

I personally love to guardsmen being added I think detective is kind of coded to be a town role though it doesn't really mess with anyone

Kaldermoor

Why did you randomly say you trust me

Because I knew you weren't a part of Wolfpack

Guardsman feels kinda weak

Beechscy

Because I knew you weren't a part of Wolfpack

Oh

16:43

Right

Kaldermoor

Guardsman feels kinda weak

Being weak is better than being too strong

16:44

Plus it wasn't very helpful that guardsman had to go public

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1437830269838295241 Girl ofc the det would be if they know ur wolffaahahsgdgzgdhdy

Beechscy

Plus it wasn't very helpful that guardsman had to go public

Nah thats normap

16:45

Normal*

Kaldermoor

Nah thats normap

I think guardsman shouldn't go public though it would be better to fake a role and bait out a wolf investigation or kill

I think

16:47

Detective

16:47

Could slot

16:47

In a partial with WWW

Did guardsman use ability yet?

Beechscy

Did guardsman use ability yet?

Nope

16:50

Will use tonight

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1437833893867950210

16:58

# girl

16:59

Get a load of this guy!

Doing my job for me

hes not even wolf aligned

17:00

17:00

but then

17:00

Whats worse

17:00

Ddd in tt
ddd not in tt

17:00

(They are the same picture)

Kaldermoor

Guardsman feels kinda weak

Depends on the role list, this game we have two role-blocking roles, so yeah. But if you don't and you give it Reporter or Mayor, wolves will either have to let them live or risk a 1v1.

It has to guess thoug

Guess what

17:17

It hasn't even activated yet, so wolves will always be afraid to attack there.

Mistle Toertle

It hasn't even activated yet, so wolves will always be afraid to attack there.

True...

17:23

I suppose its an interesting huntress sidegrade

17:23

Definitely weaker

17:23

Stronger early weaker later

Yeah, it's strong in that it will mostly hit scum.

I hate gen alpha

17:36

(To the people in this server who are from gen alpha i do not mean you)

17:36

But I had a bad experience today with a group of idiotic teens

Do we have any gen alpha in the server (edited)

no clue

17:38

15 yo

I like everyone including gen alpha

Damn

17:39

You shouldnt

17:39

That generation has no respect for anyone

Ddd is a difficult town to placate

Cherri

Ddd is a difficult town to placate

If he doesnt take his vote off town loses i think btw

17:52

If scum unites

How

17:52

I see

17:52

Do they have plans to unite tho?

no

Ah

17:52

How many scums left

Alive Players | Total: 13

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

And if they win by uniting in an already (non and) mathematically solved game its all ddd's throwing fault

Werewolves Bot B

Alive Players | Total: 13

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

5

17:53

2 war doomed

17:53

So 0 votes

We have 6 votes tho right

5 scum vs 8 town

17:53

Well 7+1

17:53

Lemme think

17:53

8+1

17:53

5 scum

17:53

One swap

Do mayor have extra vote yet,

6v6+1

17:54

oh what

Cherri

Do mayor have extra vote yet,

Yes

I see

17:54

We should be ok

Kaldermoor

5 scum vs 8 town

5 scum 7 town 1 det Det is town vote Det+town war doomed

17:54

5v6

17:54

If ddd doesnt take his vote off hes basically a scum vote

17:55

6v5

17:55

So scum wins by 1 vote

Oh I see war doomed

17:55

Ddd was already suspended because of this

shouldnt consider cases of (equivalent of) throwing anyway

Hard to say

Like are u gonna help the 2 guys who claimed assistant are getting lynched

Maybe ddd really believe that tt is wolf

Cherri

Maybe ddd really believe that tt is wolf

after ddd claims assistant too

17:56

❓

lol no way

Kaldermoor

Lemme think

this statement is ban worthy

No i mean

Isn’t he citizen

Uhhh

17:56

Fish*

Steinaster

this statement is ban worthy

Cuh

Thinking isnt allowed on this server

Idk

17:57

Ddd is being difficult

17:57

Good thing scums aren’t really doing anything

Cherri

Ddd is being difficult

when isnt he

lol

But yeah

Cherri

Good thing scums aren’t really doing anything

We literally shouldn't be losing here gamestate/mathematically wise

I hate gen alpha from today onwards

If we lose its entirely ddd's fault

Kaldermoor

If we lose its entirely ddd's fault

bimg bomg

Why did that statement feel oddly natural

17:58

lol, lmao even

which

Yes true

Botj

Steinaster

I hate gen alpha from today onwards

Ok ICBM

Kaldermoor

Ok ICBM

You calling me a missile?

Steinaster

You calling me a missile?

An Inter-continental Ballistic Missile yes

I am the size of one yes

Crazy

18:10

Snivis plan will flop thanks to phan adding ddd to the cc with me asking them to "claim Tanner to Wood Aliimone"

I mean I know myself well enough to say that about me

18:10

damn

18:10

imma tan you as alive

That wouldnt do anything thoug..m

It would

18:11

It would confuse everyone

18:11

Even you

But

18:11

I am

18:11

Alive

No you are dead

18:12

No

18:12

I am

18:12

Yeen

18:12

yeen

no

18:12

you are

18:12

neey

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691188701728928/1437852721511137333 Are they

18:13

Forgetting

18:14

That ddd pinged saying i sent him to lie to someone

18:14

Then pgan said

18:14

Something similar

18:14

Then

18:14

Its a wolfpack

18:14

90% of the time they forgor

Kal who do you think will win

Steinaster

Kal who do you think will win

Town

18:18

town just wins

Kaldermoor

Town

Town has ddd and phantom

Ddd is not town

18:18

so irrelevant

18:19

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437561558170603665/1437854163672236063

18:19

Plssss

18:19

Swurtle knows this is fr a wolf

ong a wolf

All will make sense in time, child. Your cooperation is instrumental in our success.

Remember your mission: - CC Wood Aliimone - Fake Tanner [run ;tanner] to Wood Aliimone. - Fake D0 actions (I suggest: you and swurtle) - Fake D1 actions (i suggest: you and DDD) - Fake D2 actions (I suggest: you and Wood Aliimone) - Convince him.

18:21

this was way too funny

18:21

If ddd remembers this should make any snivi rebuttal worthless

18:21

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437854599368278116

18:21

Are u /srs

Alive Players | Total: 13

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- shapechange (@Jayniper)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire)

- murrfiish (@Marrplefish) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

18:21

Dead Players | Total: 6

- chimi.loves.shrimp (@Cherri) yeen

yeen

- kalimoor (@Kaldermoor)

‍⬛ - basscy (@Beechscy)

- captainluffy (@Luffy-of-the-valley)

- streamus (@Strycamure)

- theoceancookie (@Oakcean) (edited)

Like /srs /frfr /ongod

what about /nocap

True

Lol.

lmao this game is so weird

18:42

as a good wwr game should be ig

whats kruthers doing

18:43

Did town not promise to give him the win?

he tryna save wolves?

Funny Katy is in there lmao

didnt he conclude thats inoossible

Lmaooo

18:43

I’m dead

wait where

The anti trusted squad

ooh just saw it lmao

18:46

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437859950159466590/1437860879956836502

Cooked

18:48

Wild

18:48

This could be scum uniting

Omg

18:49

Omg

18:49

Omg

18:49

Ong

18:49

If we lose due to

18:50

bruhrubrhurb

18:50

I SWEAR IF WE LOSE TO DDD

18:50

IM GONNA LOSE IT

18:52

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437862543459615011

18:52

please omg

18:52

Omg

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437454316486135869/1437805653883093134

Oakcean

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437454316486135869/1437805653883093134

hes kinda cooked

Oakcean

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437454316486135869/1437805653883093134

literally not the only roadblock is u and ddd lmao

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437862657595281609

18:53

PING EVERYONE

Oakcean

literally not the only roadblock is u and ddd lmao

deadass

18:54

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437862882925609052/1437862887480885410

18:54

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

18:59

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691061824290889/1437864216659890308

18:59

Insane luffy shade

omg

20:02

58 minutes

If they sniped ddd is going to be in trouble

Cherri

If they sniped ddd is going to be in trouble

Ironically fish sleeping in might save us from that situation

20:24

actually no.

20:24

it still ties

20:24

And thats basically town loss

Fish is going blub

Fish be fishing

17 minutes

omg nevermind town win!!!

The Jay

21:00

and

21:00

The Fish

and

21:02

The Bot Issue

21:07

Preposterous

The bot didnt want to switch phase

@Jayniper

21:07

hy

21:07

Det was krutha

yuki had to do the command like 3 times

Steinaster

yuki had to do the command like 3 times

Sob emoji

the bot hates the pc time apparently

or just you

or just me

21:08

that's an option too

Lmao

21:08

Game over

Alive Players | Total: 11

- kruthers (@Crowtherslip)

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

- aliisniv (@Wood Aliimone)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

️ - steef07 (@St. Jeefhn's wort)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

Sniv poisoned

21:08

Kruthers guesses

21:08

Yeah

21:08

Its over

in ddd we trust

Steinaster

in ddd we trust

sybau

Kaldermoor

sybau

no

story time will be delayed a bit I have to walk home and its cold outside

anyway sleeping problems can be a thing now as I dont have to be anywhere for the rest of the week

Kaldermoor

The Bot Issue

what happened

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

what happened

it didnt want to switch phase

it happened twice so is worth investigatoing

Steinaster

it didnt want to switch phase

it looks like it did?

21:11

i dont see the issue (edited)

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

it looks like it did?

we did phase next

21:11

to make it switch

21:11

but the late switch didnt work

wdym

21:12

you ran $phase switch and it didnt do anything?

21:12

ah yeah thats on me

21:12

the bot reloaded at 59 that was probably me

21:12

at around that time i was confused why the dev bot didnt reload

but i had used the wrong id and reloaded this bot instead

well

21:13

at least its working now

though I dont see where $phase switch was run

21:13

hm no the reload is unrelated

21:14

it did the phase change right after $phase next was run and besides that no $phase next or $phase switches were run

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437352918595534869/1437898247879528540 My guy after what katy saw they gonna lie to u

21:14

Why can I vote

21:26

I clicked on something by accident again

you can add reactions still but not new ones

21:27

it also pings host

Oh gosh

21:28

Idk why I kept making this mistake

Luffy showed me this after i

21:46

Voted heart for dan's birthday

21:46

oops

21:51

det didnt work out

21:51

thats embarassing tbh

21:51

I mean

21:51

the list was awful

hey i did tell them not to put in 2 limited roles

both horses and cits

the det list was very unfortunate and i honestly thought it would encourage det working with wolves bc there was only one wolf on it

21:52

id love to hear more det feedback bc i do think it can still work out somehow

The concept is good imo (edited)

21:53

i just think this game was unfortunate

its unique and i like it

21:53

it needs a bigger game too probably

and probs partial

Works in partial

21:55

Although this is a good scum det showcase

21:56

a role so townsided you cant reliable scumsided play it lol lmaox

unfortunately not everyone has a neutral stance on ua roles

Embedded image

why

22:04

not the gfd flashbacks

okay so we totally could have attempted a snipe but invi just ignored me :) cool :)

when opera

tomorrow!!

nice

its a short one

whats it gonna be

the makrapoulos case

enjoy!

i will :D

:D

Veranica

Pls.

Jayniper

okay so we totally could have attempted a snipe but invi just ignored me :) cool :)

Yeah, wolves are on something this game.

The Tutel

Mistle Toertle

Pls.

hey youre host, you put it in

not my bestest game but i think/hope i wouldve read well

22:10

if not for the Situation

you couldve chosen not to actually put it in there

ah but what if you'd killed and slaughtered them?

with hammers?

with hammers ❤️

i wouldve just paid even less attention to the game whahaha

Aleeeeeeeeex

with hammers?

only with hammers

Veranica

hey youre host, you put it in

the peer pressure was real

Image attachment

i dont think thats pressure tbh

No, I'm kidding

The second statement

I just wanted to appease.

22:12

It is a cute role to be fair.

oh yea fair i wish det had worked out better

Mistle Toertle

Yeah, wolves are on something this game.

i was right about basscy wasnt i

What did you say about him

bass was tanner

that he was blatant wolf

He AFKed his D0 action and then he refused to claim and got lynch for absolutely no reason, so yeah

ddd was pretty blatant too

He's cit

HUH

22:14

nvm then

yup

He was wolfsiding tho

LMAO

him and phan are both town

no phan def read town

Town has him confirmed but purposefully left him out of TT (edited)

the swurtle treatment

Yeah

except that swurtle is in tt

Wolves were: Luffy, Streamus, Dwtd, Snivy, Invinci, & Bass

i actually lowkey thought katy was doing an apoth/pr play too

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2 LOOTS

I was hoping for HM win, but then the Det list low-key just :/ killed you from the get-go

i think i had mostly correct vibes on people except swurtle and ocean (and ddd, who doesn't count)

You and Fish were on the same wavelength because you kept dooming the same people and claiming the same role

Mistle Toertle

You and Fish were on the same wavelength because you kept dooming the same people and claiming the same role

we were so in sync

Jayniper

i think i had mostly correct vibes on people except swurtle and ocean (and ddd, who doesn't count)

Nice, I believe it

one moment where sharing the same braincell didnt end up working

RIP Snivy for using his wolf guarantor on this game

LOL

shouldve used my town guarantor

His only guarantor too. Whoops! Should've waited for me to post the list

every game im like "surely this will be the one where town loses, so i wont use my guarantor" and then they win again

Lol

Mistle Toertle

His only guarantor too. Whoops! Should've waited for me to post the list

no the list was fine

22:18

i mean grandma is inherently kind of unbalanced but whatever

It died quick

didnt even affect this game

Jayniper

every game im like "surely this will be the one where town loses, so i wont use my guarantor" and then they win again

dont worry the moment you use it it will end in a only ua win

LMAO real

So true

in all fairness i way prefer solo

22:19

i never mind losing when im solo bc expectations are so low

I used my Pyro guarantor that one game, I just have a bunch of guarantors stashed up so yeah

Jayniper

i never mind losing when im solo bc expectations are so low

Real

as solo you start with no hope

22:20

so you dont care about losing

After subbing into wolf team 7/8 games in a row, I'm a bit over being wolf

Mistle Toertle

After subbing into wolf team 7/8 games in a row, I'm a bit over being wolf

real

22:20

i kept on being mentor for wolves and then getting subbed in bc they were ia

I always sub in in a losing position too, it's like meh

as the game goes on and you are in a position to win you really wanna do it

1

puts you off mentoring

Jayniper

i kept on being mentor for wolves and then getting subbed in bc they were ia

Real

Mentoring Swurtle once already fried my brain

I never mentored Swurtle.

i also never mentored swurtle

Just a bunch of IAs and some less IA people.

I was gone for 5 mins at the very start of the game to eat

i do remember the one time swurtle reverse mentored

and swurtle swurtle momented

bc it was in the worst possible game to reverse mentor in

Lol

i literally ate my food

22:22

checked discord on my phone for 1 second

22:22

and see swurtle swurtle momenting

I want to know what admin made her GM

oh god swurtle gm was pain

22:24

(sorry swurtle i am not trying to badmouth you)

Jayniper

i do remember the one time swurtle reverse mentored

lmao

22:25

nothing to be learnt from there

22:25

"hey look how we prepare claims before tt for- WHAT DID HE SAY IN TOWN SQUARE"

lmaooooo

22:28

"so this is how you win a game?" "absolutely not"

Steinaster

(sorry swurtle i am not trying to badmouth you)

She ate

22:32

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437859950159466590/1437867636179337259 I swear the role lists just don't do UA anymore

I had 3 ua games in the last 2 seasons

22:33

or 4

22:33

i forget about the raccon game

Yeah your UA and Wolf percentage is the same, which is bonkers

cause if i hadent won id probably have been makred ia

22:34

i also get solo a lot

I was UA 5x between S5-S7, but I've only been once since then and that was Look-Alike (i.e. I had an alignment after N1) probably in Thieves' Hell or whatever.

22:38

Interesting, I've never been Hell team.

Mistle Toertle

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437859950159466590/1437867636179337259 I swear the role lists just don't do UA anymore

Ive been Ua 3 times

22:42

Twice Chef

22:42

Once Cat

Jayniper

we were so in sync

we even claimed the same role due to both thinking the other would claim cit

I've been 2x Cupid, Riding Hood, Look-Alike, one of the Hags, & Chef.

we should add a submit box for horses to tell the others what theyre claiming

22:44

it sounds kinda goofy but also im not 100% joking, if it were like a day 0 action or something it could be cool

Marrplefish

we should add a submit box for horses to tell the others what theyre claiming

unironically ive been mulling over ways to do this that dont just seem tacked on

especially cause claims are fluid and you could be forced out of said claim after submitting it

because it WOULD be useful

Hmm.

horses have a major disadvantage over other solo teams bc they by default cant coordinate

Jayniper

unironically ive been mulling over ways to do this that dont just seem tacked on

IMO even just a day 0 submit info of what role youre claiming to the other horses would be cool because you could also have plays like putting that youre claiming runner then going for mayor and stuff

22:45

or you could get forced out of a claim due to circumstances and the info becomes outdated

but the problem is that if u do this u could then do a fox-style play

22:46

where you mention the role u submitted subtly

22:46

and then it would become too easy to unite

yeahhh true

in reality i think horses just need to be restricted to larger games

22:46

where there's a broader spread of claimables

22:46

and thus less chance of overlapping

so what happens when both horses submit cit then switch off

i dont even really think we misplayed that was so unfortunate for us

22:47

just like

yea lol

randomly thinking of how this game went

22:47

what do we do about that

22:47

lol (edited)

we were both going for the same strat of dooming quiet, mildly scummy players

yeah

i guess in future horses need to think about who's worth targeting based on different roles

and claimed assistant because we thought the other options were bad and left cit to the other player

like if HoW knows that HoP is going to be going for players who give off pr vibes, they should go for more public players

22:48

etc

22:48

(this is not a criticism of how u played0

yeah fair

wolves crashing out

22:50

in car style

22:50

im sorry but invi not even responding to me is insane

22:50

we could have sniped, very possibly successfully

i was asleep

22:51

oh i know

Horses got caught from pure luck, not their fault

More like pure misfortune. (edited)

yeah thats why i mentioned in my CC with jay that i dont like how new det has an RNG based check on every fakeclaim in their list

but mayor wasnt voting and a wolf was, so if wolf had taken off and kruthers had also taken off it would have been doable even with one missing

22:51

i think

i also find it funny i immediately knew jay was horse and jay thought i was wolf

22:52

It's because detective gets the second list

22:52

That makes it so powerful

22:52

Town solved the game near instantly after seeing it

yeah

I called the unbalance as soon as I read the role but I probably should have read it before game started

so detective can roleblock 1/3 of the game based on vibes alone

Instead of roleblocking the Wolves/Solos, it should allow scum to double their action if guessed correctly and still roleblock town. Boom, then it has motivation to work with Town (they probably have the claims/role list worked out), and it has motivation to work with scum (they will readily give their roles to Det if they get an extra action out of it).

and there's 0 downside to working with tt

1

22:54

since you winning doesnt inconvenience them at all (edited)

I dont think doubling actions is a thing we can implement currently

Lame.

22:55

Fish's actions doubled this game!

TRUE

So if the bot does that, it should also be able to do that other times (I say with 0 coding experience)

i do like the idea of doubling the evil teams actions though

We probably need to remove one of the lists as well

22:57

Tbh idk if it can be fixed but we can try

Marrplefish

i do like the idea of doubling the evil teams actions though

I cooked for real

22:57

But I do actually think it's an okay solution, at least to test

22:58

Because I feel like then there is motivation/a need for Detective to work with all teams.

All town listed lose their vote for a day upon ascension

22:59

Idk

Instead of the roleblocks?

Luffy-of-the-valley

All town listed lose their vote for a day upon ascension

nahhh this leads to weird voting check possibilities and stuff too

23:01

also roleblocking is stronger against scum than town anyways

Roleblocks barely do anything to town

Town dies with a one day delay if Det guesses them correctly.

23:03

But in all seriousness, I don't really think it's easy to punish town more than this, so my best bet would be to reward scum instead.

ye

make scum great again

Marrplefish

i was asleep

the eeper

Luffy-of-the-valley

I dont think doubling actions is a thing we can implement currently

child and cub technically do it,no?

No that's poll addition

so wouldnt that be the same as ability addition

23:46

or at least possible in a similar way

23:46

x happens so another use of y occurs

23:46

idk thats thats the case in the code

Mistle Toertle

Instead of roleblocking the Wolves/Solos, it should allow scum to double their action if guessed correctly and still roleblock town. Boom, then it has motivation to work with Town (they probably have the claims/role list worked out), and it has motivation to work with scum (they will readily give their roles to Det if they get an extra action out of it).

im interested in this suggestion

Well it's more like poll creation

same thing

I mean i dont doubt ts can do it

23:47

He just hasn't done it yet

x happens so y gets created again

23:48

we shouldnt let formalization be the deciding factor on a role

Mistle Toertle

He AFKed his D0 action and then he refused to claim and got lynch for absolutely no reason, so yeah

LMAOOOO

Jayniper

every game im like "surely this will be the one where town loses, so i wont use my guarantor" and then they win again

I actually used nonmisc

00:00

Yayaya

00:00

I kinda wanted gman

00:00

I was so close to instantly claiming gman without reading anything but decided to peek at my role for once

00:00

And like

00:00

'Hmm maybe lets chill'

I hope guardsman gets targeted tonight and winds up killing everybody seven kill

02:00

Arch UAV incoming

Idc I killed ft

09:34

I feel so bad yesterday and the day before I just was not locked in at all

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Ggs kruthers

And I predicted the mayor

I ate that up

10:08

Swurtle is about to be sabotaged clock it

10:08

That’s what she gets for baiting me

Wood Aliimone

I feel so bad yesterday and the day before I just was not locked in at all

You were MVP wolf, hands-down.

Wood Aliimone

Swurtle is about to be sabotaged clock it

Lol

11:32

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437460013118521497/1438111456569589882

11:32

Did he not see kruthers ascended

Oh my

Paying attention as wolf = ban worthy

Wood Aliimone

Idc I killed ft

If i didnt fall asleep before tank asked me for the d1 tan that ould have gone differant

12:55

️

12:56

Haheha

12:56

What was up with all other wolves tjogugu

12:56

Didnt they pay attention "kalimoor sent ddd to 'lie to someone'"

Welcome snivy

13:18

You were wolf mvp for sure

13:19

I think it’s prob ff time?

no ff unless hosts feel like it

Ofc

game solved ever since hms died

Alive Players | Total: 8

- hexakaty (@Hazelkaty) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spirndtle)

- jeand.arch (@Jean D. Ash)

️ - phantomtomicbomb (@Firntom)

- sharleclaire (@Spruceclaire) worm2

worm2

- ddd8000 (@esor goddD)

- invincitank (@Ivyncitank)

- .dwtd (@Dogwootd) (edited)

2v6 eveb if ddd feels quirly 3v5

14:00

crazy that i have to consider numbers of a townsfolk swapping to scum but wtv

14:00

eternal suffering

Lmao

14:10

Ddd is always a wild card

Btw doesn't this say grandma died https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691181403635732/1437170053815599145

Not sure

Luffy-of-the-valley

Btw doesn't this say grandma died https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691181403635732/1437170053815599145

I guess so

16:50

It tells 1 phase later

16:50

AM -> PM (for me)

16:51

Grandma is genuinely op if hidden too actually

Swurtles still in there because there was no grandma to kick her out (it disbanded) (edited)

16:53

She lives in grandma house now

@Cherri you own swurtle's soul now

Yesss

Luffy-of-the-valley

Btw doesn't this say grandma died https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691181403635732/1437170053815599145

Yes good catch @Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor is there a way to stop that disbanding?

Disbanding should only happen when no group members remain

18:07

So should be independent of grandma

Grandma isn't in the group

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

Disbanding should only happen when no group members remain

is it as its a whisper channel rather then a group channel? (edited)

Mistle Toertle

You were MVP wolf, hands-down.

Oh really?? Tysm

18:43

I like felt so bad because I thought we were in a winning position N1

Kaldermoor

If i didnt fall asleep before tank asked me for the d1 tan that ould have gone differant

Yeahhh idk that was so confusing two claims!! I thought it was bass but then when we got two I was like wait surely one has to be it right

Cherri

You were wolf mvp for sure

Tysm!!!

18:45

I’m so glad I didn’t end up doing that thing and try frame bass

Wood Aliimone

Yeahhh idk that was so confusing two claims!! I thought it was bass but then when we got two I was like wait surely one has to be it right

Tbh good chain of thinking

18:50

But town had solved the list

18:50

So

Town did solve very fast ggs

I felt funny and enlisted swurtle phan (fail) ddd (super fail) and myself to bait wolves

18:50

there was 0 point in it

Should’ve found ft N1 and kill detective N2

Lmoa

Swurtle bait was so funny

Yeah leaving det alive is uh

18:51

Bad idea

18:51

Det claim too op

It was so unconvincing it was almost convincing

Surprised katy lived so long

18:51

As det claim

Wood Aliimone

It was so unconvincing it was almost convincing

yeah LMAOOO

I love wolf normally but this game was so hard

18:52

I hate psychic wolf but it’s balanced

It was hard for town too

It feels so helpless buuuut it did give some info

Kaldermoor

It was hard for town too

~~not~~

We just composed cuz i found swurtle (and vibed out she wasnt tanner) and arch's claim supported he would not have been a tanned wolf

Steinaster

~~not~~

cuh wdym

Grandma - I want to claim collect! Trickster - I want to claim collect! Fortune teller & detective - We found everyone

Hardmode the moment chimi outed

Wood Aliimone

Grandma - I want to claim collect! Trickster - I want to claim collect! Fortune teller & detective - We found everyone

LMAOOO

Kaldermoor

Hardmode the moment chimi outed

you got det

Steinaster

you got det

Det wanted to help wooves

that cancelled it all out

cuhhh

you still got all of det info

Teue

I think we could’ve done things differently

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437050926379831357/1437541531014922302

Sabo arch the night after

Sabo arch idk

18:54

Tough decision

Contact tanner when sycamore was dying

All you needed was ddd

Cuz if hes ctced hes not getting realistically elected

Steinaster

All you needed was ddd

^

to mess with town

He was honorary 7th pack

18:55

Scum could have won the day ddd was voting btw

Ddd

The numbers were 6v5

Has he ever actually been wolf before

yes

for sure

Ofc

Yeah town solved the game the day town trusted formed

But it’s just funny how’s he’s always sus but never real sus

I dont really think the game was winnable even with grandma dead

Det broken

Mmm probably not

Det basically fucked over hms

chimi doing everything in her power to ruin towns life

Instantly

honses got fucked over yes

18:56

and everyone that fake claimed cit too

I kinda wanted to live

At least wolves didn’t kill scum N1

"Hey snivy ur the psychic wolf"

Broke the streak

Wood Aliimone

Broke the streak

dw next game you play youll kill scum

18:57

as scum

what if snivy solo tho

then snivy solo

Pro snivy gaming

18:57

Has WWW ever won

Yes

probably

I played a very memorable game where it won

Luffy-of-the-valley

Yes

Im curious on the how

skill

I was chef and helped them out

I’m so angry the most recent time I was solo it was a vampire game and wolves had got into town trusted and like violently lynched us

Luffy-of-the-valley

I was chef and helped them out

Oh zamn

L

Luffy-of-the-valley

I was chef and helped them out

Nice luffy

Gotta be like me be in tt as undead and controlling wolf kills, cult kills and lynches

18:59

Power freak

That was one game

A game of all time

It was a horror start

19:00

1st undead and 1 vamp lynched

Scum when im town ^

I was so lucky i got cult member (vera) on my team

19:01

and got wolves tp do my kills for some conversions as scum needed it

Kaldermoor

Det broken

ye it was the first game of the new det so changes will be made

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I did try to help scum to balance it out

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19:02

whos lover you gonna be

Crowtherslip

is it as its a whisper channel rather then a group channel? (edited)

No it isn't it's a group

Imo detective probably should be deleted

Luffy-of-the-valley

Imo detective probably should be deleted

@Veranica statement

I think it only works as a solo, which was also previously deleted

damn ice king hater

But i think it actually had more success as a solo than ua

Steinaster

1st undead and 1 vamp lynched

Damn

I feel like maybe its better if det doesnt have a list of roles and they just need to guess the roles

Luffy-of-the-valley

Imo detective probably should be deleted

I mean quite a few UA roles do end up being sided one way or another this time was very much just luck of the draw my list ended up the way it did, with both citizens and hourses

Cherri

I feel like maybe its better if det doesnt have a list of roles and they just need to guess the roles

Hmm

Cherri

I feel like maybe its better if det doesnt have a list of roles and they just need to guess the roles

I think it should at least be alignments or you have 0 chance

Crowtherslip

I think it should at least be alignments or you have 0 chance

^^^

hmm

or we would need to buf it to be able to just get roeles rather then guess them during the day

Alignments only is a good nerf to kick off

idk

19:17

perhaps

Cherri

I feel like maybe its better if det doesnt have a list of roles and they just need to guess the roles

Yeah the list is just broken

As solo: every correct pair KILLS people

19:17

Crowtherslip

I think it should at least be alignments or you have 0 chance

With the low amount of players it can be doable

hu ye, but very hard, rn now its defently to easy, i figured out most on myself with just process or elimination

If they die you do just get their role for free

true

19:20

but can only check one a night or hope the reporter shares

Crowtherslip

I mean quite a few UA roles do end up being sided one way or another this time was very much just luck of the draw my list ended up the way it did, with both citizens and hourses

Pretty much any combination of lists would be problematic for balance imo

what if the detective needs to guess everyones alignment instead?

Lame and easy

hmm

Steinaster

@Veranica statement

fucking funny but i dont think we should delete roles if theyre currently being championed, in progress, tested and received feedback (like rn)

19:25

@Luffy-of-the-valley i understand you hate it but its no reason to want it to be deleted

19:25

especially because i am working on it

19:26

its not like im like "man i think x role is not doing well rn and its in process of being revamped, we should delete it"

19:26

im working on it

19:27

i understand that its broken rn and it ruined the game, but that doesnt mean it cant be fixed in some way, i still have hope for it and ive been seeing some really interesting feedback on it (edited)

19:31

besides, i dont think we should delete roles unless theyre out of mind/out of sight, bc rn we have an issue running to bring back hags, which we deleted right before (edited)

The issue for hags is a different role so it required removal not sure how that's relevant

19:34

The issue with detective is clearly the list so we need to remove it, though it don't think it is unusable without it

its got the same name

19:34

thats horribly confusing

19:34

yea see, thats good feedback

19:35

so we need to find a way to make det less townsided, starting with the list

I think removing the roles will be a goos starting point and seeing how that plays/ if it makes it too hard, so they dont know the roles at all

Veranica

thats horribly confusing

The new hags? I reused it because it's inspired by original hags and it could be neat to keep their specific powers. If you think that's bad the suggestion can be altered to a different name

Crowtherslip

I think removing the roles will be a goos starting point and seeing how that plays/ if it makes it too hard, so they dont know the roles at all

maybe then add a way to check alighment during the day as a option if it feels too hard

also im very confused bc theyre ua, they have the same ish wincon (of course thats the change) and its literally called "readd hags" so excuse me for comparing them?? huh?

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I'm confused by your confusion (edited)

19:38

They're clearly related

19:38

But it's not a revamp

then what would you call it

19:38

bc if they get created, you know they'll have the same name and probably the same icon

19:39

i think its veyr much related to what iw as talking about, seeing as it could jsut be considered as a very full revamp of hags if hags werent deleted

Yeah and I'd consider the old hags to be be separate roles, we have many such cases

well now they are

19:40

if they werent deleted, this suggestion could just as well be "just" a hag revamp, which is kind of what i was going for by mentioning it

19:40

but sure

19:40

consider them as different roles now, seeing as they have to be bc old hags are deleted

19:40

i do think it was a waste of a delete bc it could all be reused

19:41

but right, not relevant

19:41

lets talk det

19:41

take away list

19:41

turtle suggested an ability to roleblock town and double non-town actions instead

19:41

i think that could be very interesting

19:42

should be worked out better probably

19:42

maybe limited to certain role categories to not make solo and wolves too powerful, we only need them to be buffed enough to work with det but not enough to have det side that way

Veranica

consider them as different roles now, seeing as they have to be bc old hags are deleted

Tbh I would definitely never have suggested a variant that changes their key mechanic if they weren't deleted but this is an irrelevant difference in opinion on how we prefer to work on roles

Veranica

turtle suggested an ability to roleblock town and double non-town actions instead

Doubling is difficult

19:44

Like copying

it coudl also be something else tbh

19:46

det sending their investigation to a team fo their choice (not townsfolk)

19:46

tho i do think granting extra abilities would be interesting

Reviving old roles that have role icons is a good idea in general I think

Veranica

det sending their investigation to a team fo their choice (not townsfolk)

on this, det day invest maybe only being able to be sent out to aother alignment (possbily of dets choice, possibly random between non-town salignments) might be an interesting take

Like for example we reused reaper. It ended up having similar powers but that was a coincidence, we just wanted to use the theme and icon

it might not benefit det or the alignment chosen too much, but it forces det to stray away from town communication more as the non-town alignment might then never give det its info at all

Luffy-of-the-valley

Like for example we reused reaper. It ended up having similar powers but that was a coincidence, we just wanted to use the theme and icon

i mean it is funny how reused roles always seem to have similar abilities, and i personally think that both reaper and hags couldve just as well been revamps of the role, but thats apparently just the way i think about roles so whatever

19:50

theyre deleted already so its whatever, im glad the cool reaper icon gets reused

19:50

its still one of my favorites

Veranica

i mean it is funny how reused roles always seem to have similar abilities, and i personally think that both reaper and hags couldve just as well been revamps of the role, but thats apparently just the way i think about roles so whatever

the way you think about it is perfectly valid and makes sense

Ah yet another person who can read https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436690934841475073/1438296421416570880

he might be onto something

Did we win yet?

We won so hard (edited)

05:10

I'm trying to get my friend to play a game next game

Ggez

Oakcean

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1436691002193874945/1437155908835606630

aahahahahahahhaha

ah the turningpoint of everything

09:07

welcome to the afterlife

Cherri

Ddd not claiming as cit is so wild

Detective saved his ass (edited)

Kaldermoor

sharl is not the tanner. Rejoice

why would I have been tanner

as a loser i will be voting 0

09:11

i am not biased

Mistle Toertle

I like how Sharl calls them baddies.

so that I don't accidentally forget the s in the usual word and get immortalised

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this poll is very biased lol obviously

as a winner i am upset at the lack of 1.0

Townies vote abstain !!

Jean D. Ash

this poll is very biased lol obviously

It's going to ne 0.5 at most.

scums can pile on 0, but we town winners are maj /j

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Ok townies pile on 0.5!!

Pls.

didn't Kruthers try to play with wolves?

09:14

but they ignored

Yea he also gave the list to wolves and figured out tanner and FT, and knew swurtle cit

09:14

From what i saw in snivys channel

i thinl town was just too good

then wolves misplaying shouldn't penalise our work then

well after that mess at the start

09:15

just skill :>

none of the baddies claimed citizen

One did tbf

09:15

But publicly

and they also yeeted both confirmable roles in the first 2 nights

Ggs

i worked really hard as a corpse

I feel like this game should not be weighted down

Nah im sorry but the happiness of killing the games claim collector just for another one to appear the next night

it is fair tho thay we were too town sided if we had gramma

Wood Aliimone

Nah im sorry but the happiness of killing the games claim collector just for another one to appear the next night

Luffy misplayed terribly

yuppp

im ngl i wasnt 100% sure luffy was scum until ocean was killed lol

if Luffy had played right, we'd have had a trickster fight for 2 days

i havent even backread his sc i gotta see that thoughprocess

Jean D. Ash

this poll is very biased lol obviously

yeah

i just wamted fortune teller gone since D0

09:19

Also idm abt the points

Kaldermoor

So scum wins by 1 vote

damn this could have happened huh

Spruceclaire

didn't Kruthers try to play with wolves?

Yes, but this isn't about that. It's about that Detective basically automatically confirmed any scum as scum. Like almost every single scum was found not by town, but by UA. UA shouldn't be kingmaker like that. It's unbalanced for scum to play a game in which no matter their fake-claim, they are confirmed scum by Det list.

yep ddd was uhhhhh very interesting to watch

What did he claim

Cherri

whats kruthers doing

I guess hedging bets

Mistle Toertle

Yes, but this isn't about that. It's about that Detective basically automatically confirmed any scum as scum. Like almost every single scum was found not by town, but by UA. UA shouldn't be kingmaker like that. It's unbalanced for scum to play a game in which no matter their fake-claim, they are confirmed scum by Det list.

hmmm

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1437723929803227147/1437724476081967238

09:23

Lol

Mistle Toertle

You and Fish were on the same wavelength because you kept dooming the same people and claiming the same role

that was funny. Seeing Kruthers getting doomed twice in one night

Mistle Toertle

RIP Snivy for using his wolf guarantor on this game

oh what?

Steinaster

as solo you start with no hope

so true

especially if you ARENT hell team

ok but i unironically would vote 0 even if i were town

09:29

the win wasnt really on anyone except for the det lol

Jean D. Ash

especially if you ARENT hell team

yeah

09:29

pyro's get close, but then always die out towards the end

09:29

but usually they create massive chaos before they go out

the voting for 0.5 is genuinely just people wanting free score

09:32

@Mistle Toertle why is it even a vote they even have majority

09:32

wild

I mean its marketed as season game

Jean D. Ash

I mean its marketed as season game

yeah but it was like uber unbalanced

09:43

det is very stupid as it is now

~~hey hosts fault for making it season instead of OS to test this potentially townsided role. Why punish players that try playing the game as on season game~~

???

09:44

you know like

09:45

at 0.5 it punishes the losers

09:45

at 0 it punishes no one

09:45

its just null

09:45

why punish the losers who unfairly lost (edited)

09:47

saying it punishes the players when its giving them points for an unfair win and not punishing the players when its making them lose points for an unfair loss is wild

Jean D. Ash

~~hey hosts fault for making it season instead of OS to test this potentially townsided role. Why punish players that try playing the game as on season game~~

this is such a weird thing to say tbh

Marrplefish

@Mistle Toertle why is it even a vote they even have majority

I didn't know town would be so invested in their cheap win

something something democracy. I personally would probably have put it at 0.5, but I let the players decide if they want it differently.

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I didn't know town would be so invested in their cheap win

something something democracy. I personally would probably have put it at 0.5, but I let the players decide if they want it differently.

i think it should be 0 and i dont even really care about my score i just think its stupid to put it above a 0 for a game that unbalanced.

it was thought the det change was good, then it wasnt, so its logical it turns into OS because it was unbalanced. voting 0.5 only because you won shows that you don't understand what this is about

and putting it to a vote when the town (winners who benefit) has majority is also wild (edited)

its up to a vote because we figured the players might have a good understanding of this, but if its just gonna be town vs losers, that's unfair

09:49

i think fish is saying some good things here

i dont even care about my own score too

id have voted 0 as town

its not punishing players if its 0

Veranica

this is such a weird thing to say tbh

Hey, its a joke lol

09:50

Hence the line

09:51

But if everyone else wants 0, ill be fine tbh

if theres a good agreement that it should be 0.5 then i get it, but if its just the leftover winning town then i dont see anything fair in it

09:51

if its just people wanting points, i think it should be 0

Marrplefish

and putting it to a vote when the town (winners who benefit) has majority is also wild (edited)

Yea lol that part is funny like i pointed out before

i proposed to put it to a vote because i assumed players were a good judge of how the game went and would understand how to vote lol

09:53

if everyone says "det made the game and it was an easy win" and still votes 0.5, that's pretty telling that it should be 0

09:54

and i do understand arch's point of "we put effort in it and thats why its 0.5" tho

09:54

also 0.5 punishes everyone, scum and town equally

09:55

we'll see what the vote says

hows .5 punish everyone equally btw

09:55

not saying its wrong i just dont get it

because it lowers everyones score by .5

09:55

so a town win doesnt have much impact

im confused cause the options are basically 0.5 and 0 and comparatively .5 punishes scum more over town since it means theyll lose points instead of not while town will just not gain points

nobody loses points? you lose points when you get negatives and a 0.5 doesnt make negatives?

09:57

with 0.5, subjectives are in play and could be adjusted to make the scoring more balanced too

oh do scum not lose points on loss they just get less right

with 0, its just "the game is offseason"

i forget how scoring works

scum just get less points

oh i see

unless they screw up severely

you can only lose points if youre inactive, gamethrowing etc

well then idc as much about 0.5 i forgot how scoring worked

09:58

i mean i still think it should be 0 but i thought it was like, worse

losers just get considerably less points

09:59

but they still gain from played games

09:59

if you lose like 10 games but stil play normally (ie not inactive), its still quite some points gained at the end

i feel like 0.5 + considering how it was harder for wolves in the subjective scoring should be fair no? (edited)

#honserepresentation

and their neighhhbours ofcourse ofcoursr

@Host i really think the game should be demoted to OS instead

10:01

Subjectively speaking,

well there is a vote out

Option "A"

Even with det help theres still some good plays by town imo, the sharl and ocean cooperation and mutual trust was really noteworthy

you can vote there

but like i can see why ppl think its a cheese game

Kaldermoor

@Host i really think the game should be demoted to OS instead

(This is an objective view)

wait huh

Kaldermoor

Subjectively speaking,

what

Kaldermoor

(This is an objective view)

huh

Veranica

what

Option "A"

no but

tbf

"this should be OS, thats my opinion" "also this is objective"

Det was broken

Veranica

"this should be OS, thats my opinion" "also this is objective"

In my honest yeen

yeen

defence,

10:04

There is no defence I'm just mildly tired

10:04

I meany objective/subjective

i like how 0.25 isnt even considered ehre

Tbh that's what i'd go for

10:06

Detective let us solve the game down to exact roles from the point of me-swurtle-arch-sharl tt

10:07

And let us directly shoot at both HMs in one go

Would detective having everyone and every role in the list while keeping the roleblock simultaneously be a better change? Oorrr

10:08

Instead of 1/3 of players

well most people want the list gone again

It eliminates the narrowing down scums issue, no?

Although yes town played very VERY well we still played in an unbalanced field due to how disproportionately useful was det

10:09

Another thing to see is

10:09

Hey wait i have a good point

10:09

TT consisted of a citizen, the ft, and the gman

10:09

det list contained all 3 of those

10:10

discuss about this

the changes i have for det rn is removing the list and possibly adding more scum-sidednexx (there was a suggestion to keep the roleblock for town only and have the other teams get something else that benefitted them more0

but it might also have been luck that it was disproportionately useful

Veranica

the changes i have for det rn is removing the list and possibly adding more scum-sidednexx (there was a suggestion to keep the roleblock for town only and have the other teams get something else that benefitted them more0

Double actions is just

10:10

10:11

I'll also point out that this leads to det getting a freer win

10:11

their wincon would need to be harder, then

Kaldermoor

Double actions is just

thats why i say "something else"

10:14

the original suggestion was double actions

i personally still like double actions

Protection?

and i changed it to "something else" because i think double actions is too scum sided and being straight up anti-town is just a solo thing

Veranica

and i changed it to "something else" because i think double actions is too scum sided and being straight up anti-town is just a solo thing

protection is too little methinks

i think it should depend on the category, or not have anything happen at all

Marrplefish

protection is too little methinks

What is the inbetween im protection- -double actions

my other suggestion was for det's invest to go to a scum

Kaldermoor

What is the inbetween im protection- -double actions

IDK but protection will not often work

so det has to side with scum in some way to get their information

Veranica

my other suggestion was for det's invest to go to a scum

Oh hmm

10:15

Like tattletale? :v

Marrplefish

IDK but protection will not often work

thats why protection is good tho, because it would need working together to work

Kaldermoor

Like tattletale? :v

yup

What if scum just

10:16

Doesnt help

10:16

Cuz

10:16

Det solving is far too devastating for scum

det fucking DIES if they get put in a CC with town

10:16

thoughts??

LMAO

LOL

The nuclear option

theyd be lynched cuz they cant cc the town trusted LOOOL

i think more likely they get put in a succession CC for proving someone and randomly die

10:17

10:17

or alternatively someone just CCs everyone as soon as first CC drops because funny

10:18

i think this is the nerf det needs

Marrplefish

i think more likely they get put in a succession CC for proving someone and randomly die

️

Make it an ice king team solo

10:18

Jkjkjk

What if

10:19

Det

10:19

Kills

Ice Kingdom team

?

10:19

@Veranica would killing town be Good

Crazy

omg wait i just had an amazing idea

10:19

what if we deleted det as a UA

10:19

and had it come back as a solo

Thats practically the price to pay vs scum

we could rebrand it

10:19

it could be like

10:19

ice based

scum are deadlocked The equivalent is basically town deat

Kaldermoor

@Veranica would killing town be Good

thats very anti town

With revolver fr

Marrplefish

what if we deleted det as a UA

it used to be solo, sort of?

remember the very first incarnation of ice king

Veranica

thats very anti town

When it guesses whole list

If you guess a role correctly, the player is frozen / cant talk in public channels

Pyro ahh...

we had ice king, which had to guess players roles and if it was correct, theyd freeze (roleblock) the player for the rest of the game/until ice king died

it had another version where it would steal that players votes for the same duration

Veranica

we had ice king, which had to guess players roles and if it was correct, theyd freeze (roleblock) the player for the rest of the game/until ice king died

(i know thats why i said we could rebrand it and it could be ice based)

That's not fun at all

i like it as ua tho

i agree im just trolling

10:21

we need more ua that we can use thats not just angel, psycho, despot

Thief /j

10:23

Well i also had Raccoon but u guys didnt nerf it yet since it won twice in a row

u guys

lmoa

you can also actively join in on the role designing process if you think a role should be a certain way

I have

10:24

Except det

10:24

I havent been forced to read its long ah desc up until now

What about a ToS pirate variant of UA

rock paper scissors

like UA forces a player to play rock paper and scissors. If the player loses, they die. If the UA loses, the UA is exposed/cant play rps for the next night?

10:27

Im pretty sure it has been suggested before tho

sems pretty random rather than strategic tho

true thats the issue i guess

11:32

but if we want to diversify UA, thats an option

11:32

also the UA can have a whisper with the target and play mind games with them if needed

11:32

influence them to choose paper for example

11:33

also they need to kill a town and a scum (or two each) to win

11:33

which makes it balanced i think? idk

that seems kinda lame

i like the concept of a rock paper scissors or cardgame inspired ua tho

13:20

but just rock paper scissord is indeed kinda lame

"Joker" or "Jack" with a card game inspiration could be cool

13:26

but something as simple as play game -> die if you lose sounds like itd be extremely frustrating

maybe not die but negative effects like roleblock or public role reveal

i don’t deserve winning with everyone smh

Sticker

14:28

next game i remind everyone to read their role and information channel

next game i remind everyone to read

Cherri

i don’t deserve winning with everyone smh

yea im sorry chimi but that was. something for sure

Jean D. Ash

maybe not die but negative effects like roleblock or public role reveal

Public role reveal is questionable to be scumsided

lol

That was something

I think it should be 0 because its unfair to count a near unwinnable game

15:29

Even if it wasn't for sharl becoming town lead, arch was about to be due to receiving det info (and ft check) and the same thing would have happened (edited)

15:29

There was nothing that could have prevented it

Kaldermoor

Public role reveal is questionable to be scumsided

it's kind of just bad all round - scum getting revealed ruins them, town pr getting revealed ruins them but also gives town someone to claims collect, town misc getting revealed (presuming it's like ranger where only strong disguises apply) is really good for them

15:30

so it ends up being pretty townsided really

Luffy-of-the-valley

I think it should be 0 because its unfair to count a near unwinnable game

0.5 is fine because, although game was definitely townsided, town would probably have won without det because wolves were not playing well (and fish and i weren't doing great either)

15:31

also 0 means no points for anyone, 0.5 means everyone gets some points

Plus if it isn't 0 then this is the last season game

15:32

With a less than 1.0 weighting

it's still the last season game regardless

No if it was 0 it'd be off season

not how it works

If the game was moved to off season we get another season game, no? It happened before

season games can be weighted 0 - it's specifically if they're converted to offseason that they become, well, offseason. that isn't being proposed here and shouldn't be

I saw above that it'd be off season if 0

15:33

Or something like that

the shift from season to offseason doesn't and shouldn't happen because of a balance issue (especially a kind of minor one like this)

15:34

that's something we reserve for cheating, high impact host mistakes, etc (edited)

15:34

if this is 0.5 weighted, we can have a 0.5 weighted os to balance out the weight totals

Jayniper

the shift from season to offseason doesn't and shouldn't happen because of a balance issue (especially a kind of minor one like this)

(it's kind of like a last resort measure)

Idk i dont think it was a minor balance issue

15:37

They shouldn't be able to find 5 scum in one night from a ua

15:37

In a game state with 6 scum alive (edited)

Luffy-of-the-valley

I saw above that it'd be off season if 0

No idea where "above" you saw that. Are you talking about divine inspiration or something? I personally wouldn't convert this to OS regardless of the weighting.

again, offseason conversion (in my view as an admin with experience of it) should specifically be reserved for non-balance issues which have a high impact on the game - like cheating, very bad host mistakes, and so on - but where a reset isn't appropriate. the hosts aren't even proposing offseason conversion. so regardless of your opinion on the impact of the balance issue, this game isn't a candidate.

15:42

again, i think the most appropriate course of action - that doesn't erase people's expectations of getting points for this game, whilst also ensuring relatively fair compensation - is to weight this 0.5, and have a 0.5 rated os to round out the season

i did also see OS and 0 weight mentioned above

15:43

i think by fish?

15:44

but yeah another 0.5 game would be nice

Just not a fan of a near scripted game with predetermined outcome affecting rankings

like i said wolves were gonna lose anyway so doesnt really matter

Luffy-of-the-valley

Just not a fan of a near scripted game with predetermined outcome affecting rankings

in fact - wolves could fairly easily have prevented their own loss here, because we had an opportunity to snipe which they refused to take!

2

15:46

so i'd actually argue it was by no means predetermined

I'd consider OS conversion if a majority vote 0 for weighting (Ts suggested this too). But as it stands, more people are for 0.5 than 0 (5-2), so yeah.

I saw without detective they would lynch ddd instead and maybe wolves could have won in that case

15:46

But who knows

the balance was off, but not off enough to make the game unwinnable. wolves actively chose not to win

And besides the snipable part was due to ddd voting with wolves which I wouldn't factor into game balance

it actually wasn't

15:48

and also - uh, not really?

15:49

a) we could have sniped without voting on ddd's candidates, if everyone was around b) the uncertainty that ddd had over sharl was legitimate and a factor of game balance

I mean he got suspended for a long time last time he did that

as it is, the wolf i contacted ignored my attempts at communication and organisation when they had nothing to lose from collaboration :)

Luffy-of-the-valley

I mean he got suspended for a long time last time he did that

what? no?

15:49

he was suspended for rulebreaking

It was when he refused to claim to ts

ts was mechanically confirmed iirc

15:50

sharl was absolutely not

I think ts wasn't actually

i neither know nor care, but this case was markedly different in that sharl's trustedness was entirely social

15:52

i know you're probably annoyed about not winning (i am too ofc) but you can't put that solely down to detective, and either way i'd rather get points for a game i lost than not. and i think most people feel the same way

yeah i meed the moolah

I'm not really bothered by points or winning or losing, its just my opinion of fairness. Though a weighted game where you lose does have a negative effect on your overall rankings

15:55

Coins are unrelated to weighting

As it stands, I (personally, as a spectator of this game), believe that scum this game does deserve an all-in-all negative effect on their overall ranking based on the performance exhibited, even in spite of any balancing issues that may have been present.

big agree

Jayniper

as it is, the wolf i contacted ignored my attempts at communication and organisation when they had nothing to lose from collaboration :)

Even my attempt to help wolves early on did not go far

16:00

While yea detective did effect the game I dont think it was the biggest reason for scum losing or ultimately wolves did not play the best and got quite unlucky with some of their claims and the ways things played out.

wolves played pretty badly

16:01

well, there were probably a couple wolves who did fine (can't really blame the new players)

snivy was aight

i was bad this game town carried me lmao

Jayniper

a) we could have sniped without voting on ddd's candidates, if everyone was around b) the uncertainty that ddd had over sharl was legitimate and a factor of game balance

Yes but both were precisely fault of ddd

i mean, yeah, sure? but not relevant

16:05

the relevant thing is that even with that background, wolves chose not to snipe

wolves mathematically and gamestate-wise do not win in that case ever

16:06

bdhdhdhd

16:06

ddd just put a random ah vote

16:06

Scum was deadlost that morning

Kaldermoor

wolves mathematically and gamestate-wise do not win in that case ever

regardless of what should have been mathematically possible, it remains that it was possible

16:07

and thus wolves fucked up by not doing so

16:07

i don't know what your point is

16:07

i'm not saying that point alone means the list wasn't unbalanced

o

16:09

Yeah i agree with that ig

Kaldermoor

ddd just put a random ah vote

When? All my votes had reasons behind them.

esor goddD

When? All my votes had reasons behind them.

Alright

16:14

Let me reword it: I consider your vote misplaced because it could have potentially turned a 100% lock town win into a town loss

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so it ends up being pretty townsided really

Yeah

16:15

I think thats an issu

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@Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor what the hell happened with the worm/reaper/fortune teller issue

worm

Jayniper

@Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor what the hell happened with the worm/reaper/fortune teller issue

correct input format is: input1;input2 anything else it uses a parsing system to figure it out. here the input was :worm2: fortune teller it cant tell what is what due to missing ";" so it looks through the inputs and searches for possible player and role names For players it succeeds on worm2

worm2

, then it has to search for a role next. now in case of <player> wolf or other one word roles, this would be easy, but since its a multi word role its more annoying, after all it can also accept nicknames and typos so inputs like tre saplng horsemen of dath are possible where it gets really difficult to tell what part is what. So to be able to find even multi word names and roles like that, it first searches each individual word for a role, and then searches for word combination. (so we check if tre, saplng, horsemen, of, dath are a role each. if no we start searching for combinations of 2 words in a row, etc) I also noticed that some themes may put role names into nicknames which makes things REALLY tough. I mean even "Ts" is a role name, so if we just search for the first player and first role name ts citizen would parse as player:ts, role:ts The fix I chose for this for some reason was to search for the first expected value (player) from the start and for the last expected value (role) from the end, by reversing word order so it would search "ts citizen" for player, finding "ts" and "citizen ts" , finding "citizen" However if we apply this to :worm2: fortune teller, we now parse that to player:worm2 and then in reverse teller fortune :worm2: to ?? - it fails to find anything that is a role (it actually didn't at the start, it gave worm at first, more on that later, this is for when it gave reaper), so it looks for role names that are somewhat close to the input. reaper is just 3 typos away form teller, so it chose that. The issue here is that it searched for teller, fortune, and :worm2: first, then teller fortune and fortune :worm2: - due to the reversed word order the word combinations were the wrong way around, so it never looked for fortune teller and instead settled on a bad guess The worm issue is a separate bug. I reused the word combination logic for both roles and players (like I said player nicknames with spaces can be parsed), but I shouldn't have done that! There was a piece of code in there that says "if its an emoji that belongs to a player immediately accept that input and stop searching" - this makes sense for players, why try word combinations and typo searches if there's an emoji right there. but reusing this for roles means that if it cant find a role while searching through the words from the back it will eventually hit the emoji and instantly accept it to a role. It then converts the emoji to a string yielding Worm as a role

Tree Sapling ☠ Kaldermoor

correct input format is: input1;input2 anything else it uses a parsing system to figure it out. here the input was :worm2: fortune teller it cant tell what is what due to missing ";" so it looks through the inputs and searches for possible player and role names For players it succeeds on worm2

worm2

, then it has to search for a role next. now in case of <player> wolf or other one word roles, this would be easy, but since its a multi word role its more annoying, after all it can also accept nicknames and typos so inputs like tre saplng horsemen of dath are possible where it gets really difficult to tell what part is what. So to be able to find even multi word names and roles like that, it first searches each individual word for a role, and then searches for word combination. (so we check if tre, saplng, horsemen, of, dath are a role each. if no we start searching for combinations of 2 words in a row, etc) I also noticed that some themes may put role names into nicknames which makes things REALLY tough. I mean even "Ts" is a role name, so if we just search for the first player and first role name ts citizen would parse as player:ts, role:ts The fix I chose for this for some reason was to search for the first expected value (player) from the start and for the last expected value (role) from the end, by reversing word order so it would search "ts citizen" for player, finding "ts" and "citizen ts" , finding "citizen" However if we apply this to :worm2: fortune teller, we now parse that to player:worm2 and then in reverse teller fortune :worm2: to ?? - it fails to find anything that is a role (it actually didn't at the start, it gave worm at first, more on that later, this is for when it gave reaper), so it looks for role names that are somewhat close to the input. reaper is just 3 typos away form teller, so it chose that. The issue here is that it searched for teller, fortune, and :worm2: first, then teller fortune and fortune :worm2: - due to the reversed word order the word combinations were the wrong way around, so it never looked for fortune teller and instead settled on a bad guess The worm issue is a separate bug. I reused the word combination logic for both roles and players (like I said player nicknames with spaces can be parsed), but I shouldn't have done that! There was a piece of code in there that says "if its an emoji that belongs to a player immediately accept that input and stop searching" - this makes sense for players, why try word combinations and typo searches if there's an emoji right there. but reusing this for roles means that if it cant find a role while searching through the words from the back it will eventually hit the emoji and instantly accept it to a role. It then converts the emoji to a string yielding Worm as a role

that is extremely fucking funny

Hazelkaty

@Cherri what was it like, dying n1

It wasn’t bad I was mostly ashamed but town was doing so well

I think ddd wouldve been suspended again if wolves sniped with him

no he wouldn't

Lmao

Lol did detective ruin the game

that and every scum claiming assistant while sharl looks very towny (edited)

How did guardsmen perform unfortunately I don't think it was a solid test for him since he had to go public

i mean guardsman going public is a pretty good usecase of the role

Jean D. Ash

that and every scum claiming assistant while sharl looks very towny (edited)

tbf both me and jay had no way to coordinate and our only real options were assistant/cit

03:16

and we both left the more commonly claimed role of cit to the other

We need to make Universal Horse Code so that the horsemen can still communicate in secret

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