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18:36

PUK PUCK REFERENCE

18:37

Didn't expect you to use a CC on me immediately though

if you consider this immediate

18:38

but yeah

I mean, it's because I was expecting a CC after phase change at the earliest, so yeah it's immediate by that standard (edited)

i was thinking, if we lynch wrong and herald info happens. is it better to reveal it or not

18:39

by that i mean

18:39

should we make a wolf undead

18:39

or lynch the next day

18:39

what do u think is better

It's definitely better to announce it

18:41

Even if we don't make assassin attack, the town needs to know that the surviving claim is a scum

yeah sorry i mispoke

18:42

i meant the second thing i said

18:42

is it better to make them undead or to lynch them and skip that part

Better to lynch and use a different target for kill in my opinion

i also think so

18:43

because the damage that can be done to town is huge

18:43

if vamp is coordinated with wolves

Especially if we kill wolf turning them undead and we lynch them again anyway

18:44

That'd be wasting two kill chances

idk if i trust you but ill just say im also herald

There's always the possibility vamps won't target the huntress claim but it's a game of chicken

was trying to figure out the best course of action here

Ohhhh

18:44

Who did you check N1

assassin of course, how could anyone check anything else lol

Innkeeper would have been good too

idk, we have 4 info roles

Honestly I was so close to just participant-pinging that night and making a plea for heralds to split between Innkeeper and Assassin by dividing the player list into two

18:47

Coincidentally you're at the center

18:47

Back when we had 19 players

Retired Captain

idk, we have 4 info roles

Yes but I don't really consider Medium an info role and the other one is wolf aligned

18:48

Medium isn't even investigative, it's a power role

medium is most certainly an info role

18:48

herald too

It's hard to fit Medium into a systematic approach of mechanical claiming

Lantern Checker

Medium isn't even investigative, it's a power role

yeah but journalist and ranger and raven keeper arent investigative either, id still call them info roles

Considering it has the quirk of having unreliable info source

old medium used to tell you what each person voted for

That would have been more helpful yes

18:51

Oh well

18:51

For now, you have Huntress on your ability right?

18:51

For this phase?

i have it delayed

18:52

in case we lynch someone else

Same

18:52

Reminds me of that game when I was also Herald and we had absolutely zero tolerance

tolerance?

For mistakes

18:53

One mistake is an instant lose

was it the roaring wolf game

Yup

that was a fun game

18:53

i had fun playing it with you

One of the boldest Herald actions I took there was checking the current lynch target as a very specific wolf

18:53

And I got it RIGHT

yeah i mean what else were we supposed to have you target lol

If you trust me enough we could split the checks the same way

18:54

I check Huntress and you check a specific scum role

i dont know if i trust you enough to do that

But of course, there's no confirmation I'm even an actual Herald in your eyes

18:55

Yup

the risk if you being scum

18:55

and the damage a false result could cause

18:55

its just

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yknow

So we'll both check Huntress as planned

unless you trust me

I don't either

18:56

The way you CC'd me earlier than I expected makes me suspect foul play and fake claiming in advance

18:56

So I'm in the same boat as you

how is this foul play lol

If one of us is scum, this is going to be one tense coin flip 50-50 for guessing Huntress

18:57

So I hope you're actually Herald

Retired Captain

how is this foul play lol

I actually social read you as scum leaning, specifically wolf before you CC'd me

how did you ffeel last game when i tld you that you were confirmed scum and any arguing otherwise was futile

I forgot what happened last game tbh

18:58

Let me check

white werwolf

Ah I was Alpha Wolf that game

18:59

And I think I claimed Cleric?

18:59

No, Cursed Civilian

cursed cit

Lantern Checker

I actually social read you as scum leaning, specifically wolf before you CC'd me

was it cuz i townread arch?

No it was

19:02

We could put a devout villager as mayor? And hope wolves ignore it

19:02

Normally people who suggest devout villager as mayor forget that wolves get easy kill from it

19:03

But the second sentence is phrased such that you know it's an issue and your solution is to just hope wolves ignore it

isnt that better?

19:03

instead of someone converting

It isn't, because we delay reporter

19:03

And have to vote mayor again D2

19:04

Doubly so if N2 is a howling wolf night so wolves get to kill twice

i guess it depends, right

19:04

how much you care about reporter

A lot

vs how much damage a converted town lead does

We still don't know what Yuki was

not assassin

The mayor is not a town lead

19:04

Specifically not a town lead

19:05

We literally picked Pixel gamer because we can easily trash a citizen role as sacrifice

but yeah i think cit is better

19:05

im the one who suggested h8im yknow

19:05

not you

You did indeed

19:07

I'm... I'm part of the "we"...

i picked and everyone agreed

It was a consensus!

so yeah i dont think the devout idea was bad but i did come up with an even better one right after

Lantern Checker

We could put a devout villager as mayor? And hope wolves ignore it

My issue is that this one came after that

so i dont think the arguement of me choosing bad ideas on purpose should hold water here

19:09

to be fair, i think it is more likely that wolves will ignore devout villager

19:09

than otherwise

Sure, but mayor is still a big target because of repo

19:09

I hope Yuki was a wolf

19:09

Let Jay's death mean something

they probably were

Also, who are you voting for lynch

19:10

Kal?

well i was thinking kal but theres plenty of time

Not for me

19:10

Phase change is 5 Am

so i was waiting for a bigger sample size before i decided

So in 4 hours

19:11

I just want to ensure that there won't be a tie

19:11

That's the worst case scenario for both of us Heralds

19:11

We get no info AND we lose our chance to kill a scum

yeah good idea

19:12

youre playing well

19:12

proud of you

I didn't expect to get a mechanical-focused role though

19:13

Pre-reset was best for my social read tutorial

19:13

I was Devout Villager so I was pretty much free to read people

how come you finally decided to start doing social reads

19:14

and i think herald is a really good role for social reads

I keep getting called out for my bad takes and reading comprehension

19:15

And a new season was coming

19:15

So it was just the right time for a change of pace, like how a lot of people do New Year's resolution when they could have started it any day even if not on jan 1

so its like a new years resolution?

19:16

never too late to start

19:16

could come in handy in every day life as well

I know my result but I'm not sure if should say before seeing yours

Actually wait what am I doing

✅ Removed @Lantern Checker from the CC!

23:22

✅ Added @Carpenter Arch to the CC!

You there?

yes

23:39

gimme a sec

23:39

you both heralds?

23:39

i assume you cleared me

Lantern Checker

The way you CC'd me earlier than I expected makes me suspect foul play and fake claiming in advance

wow very interesting line

I removed him

23:43

Just in case his results were different

Yeah actually there was another herald claim other than him and you, but im not gonna disclose more

23:44

but light looked sus from what i read

I'm not surprised someone fake claimed it

23:45

A vampire with someone from both alignments could fake the claim perfectly

Retired Captain

A vampire with someone from both alignments could fake the claim perfectly

not on day 1 though, they only have themselves

Yeah

23:46

For now

23:47

Until you join them with the entire claim list

damn

‍♂️ ill be on the lookout for when light calls me out (possibly), tho the other herald said they cleared me so

Yea ur clear

light can be very persuasive so im not ready for another round of arguments lol

23:50

i guess if light fakes his result you and the other herald can vouch for me

23:50

23:52

did you roll pixel as cit mayor?

23:52

i saw the post but i actually didnt see why he wa svoted

23:52

i was too transfixed on kal lol

Carpenter Arch

did you roll pixel as cit mayor?

No we chose him because he claimed cit

23:56

Seemed like the best option

Retired Captain

they probably were

So luffy did you think yuki was wolf? I backread and did not see yuki was sus at all. Thats my worry because Jay mightve chosen a wrong target

00:09

I remember youre the one who said you can read yuki

00:09

But to me personally they werent sus

00:10

But it was d0

Well the thing is

00:10

I could read them, past tense

00:10

But I did tell them their tells

00:10

So they might have changed it up

00:10

But yea they seemed town to me

00:10

From what I read

00:10

I'd wager theyre more likely town than not

gonna sue Jay after this game ends if she was town

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1384579207857704971/1384602197123268640

Yeah i saw that, the issue is that yuki was chill being sussed like that which is towny for her

00:12

I think theyd be more tense when targetted as scum (edited)

Last time I accused her, she over compensated

00:12

As in they changed up behaviour quickly after being sussed

I worry that shes secretly herald and i have wolf and vamp on my hands with the three claims

You only have herald claims right?

I mean i didnt ask for claims yet

I could go public but with light already public I can just wait for him

Yeah, but if light vouches me you didnt need to do that

00:14

I think

Yea I think it should be unnecessary

But light was saying things that were sketch earlier "wow you cced me so fast as a fellow herald thats sus" that doesnt even make sense

00:15

And it also feels like they were assuming you're town by trying to change your target to some other role?

Yea good point

I really hope town doesnt throw and claim their real role instead of claiming herald as cit for example

00:17

When i collect claims

00:17

But claiming another town role as town to TT seems to be in fashion

00:17

I'm most worried about you being undead

True, im thinking ill pass the claims to a DV claim i trust the most

00:18

But thats the issue, no way to confirm them lol

We can't check anyone can we?

00:18

Well nit properly at least

00:18

We have medium but it's pretty delayed

~~This is why I said TIs were underwhelming~~

In return we have 4 of them

I guess but herald cant check past deaths

00:19

Imagine if yuki is innkeeper

00:19

I think wolves are gonna target me and mayor tonight

Unless mayor is a wolf

Pixel voted me earlier but i didnt see them as THAT scummy because at least they gave a reason (that they trusted kal more)

Do you suspect the people that voted u

I think Light and PKR looked the worst to me

00:27

Pixel is a newbie bias but their reasoning was alright

00:29

Do you remember someone else who voted against me in poll

00:29

Before poll ended

00:29

I remember having more votes at some point

I believe one or more people switched

00:32

I didn't keep track

00:32

I think PKR was one

Damn yea he was the only person i saw

00:46

I think time didnt vote but im unsure

00:49

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1384579207857704971/1384723902579867781

00:49

Might be reading too much but it did feel weird he said "im town last game"

00:49

If hes town wouldnt he say "im town again"

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Or smth along the lines

00:49

Pointed that out when i double posted lol

Oh yea

00:59

Time voted abstain

00:59

And then unvoted at some point

Oh btw what did you think of swurtle trying to tie it

Didnt she vote kal ?

Yea

03:37

She said she voted because she wanted it to tie

@Carpenter Arch what should I target now

06:44

Or do you lack the required info

06:44

I'll go on assassin for now, it makes the most sense for me

06:44

I'll delay action

Retired Captain

I'll go on assassin for now, it makes the most sense for me

Or medium

Yeah, I just figured assassin was more likely to get a counter claim

06:51

But then again idk what the claims are

Damn its very interesting Light did not establish contact with me at all lol

06:54

Why worry about undead if ur role is public

Maybe he used his cc on something else

06:54

Is that even legal logic

06:54

It's probably what happened though

Like for warlock

06:54

Maybe

06:55

He just dropped the info and sowing seed of doubt publically

He did vote for you too

Barely anyone claimed to me at all

06:56

Maybe bad timezone and we let town wait too long

Now you see why I said it's useful to let people vote on their own instead of ask them

06:56

We don't have proper invest capabilities

06:56

So something like that was the best way to get evidence out of people

Yeah i can see kal x light lol

I think he would have cc'd you if he had one

06:58

He was doing a lot of initiative taking this game

06:58

But thats just my theory

You think hes towny?

Light?

07:01

At first I did at least

07:01

Thats why I cc'd

07:01

I still think so to an extent

07:02

My guess is that gh0st is the other herald claim

Imagine if youre warlock and hes ur wolf and yuki was herald lol

Retired Captain

My guess is that gh0st is the other herald claim

Cant confirm nor deny

Yea I know

07:03

I'm just being transparent with my opinions

07:03

Gh0st seems like town

07:03

And probably not a vanilla one

Well NOW light cced me

07:07

Are you two in close contact

️ but nvm we have two ccs

07:07

**one

Yea how would I even talk to him

I guess two wolves cant really both claim heralds

It only works if one of us is undead

07:08

But if that were true then yuki would be huntress instead of you

07:08

And I assume you know that's not the case

07:09

So anyways, assassin or medium?

07:09

I'm sleeping soon

Retired Captain

So anyways, assassin or medium?

Medium maybe?

Okay medium it is

Like i have very little info to go off from

I know it's between the three 1x roles

07:12

But either way

07:13

They probably all survive the night

07:13

So my action here likely is useless

Yea thats what i was thinking. They will probably attack me and the mayor

07:17

Vamp should have three demonizeds by now

Retired Captain

They probably all survive the night

Or one of them is yuki

07:17

Really want her to be wolf/warlock/vamp lol

07:18

If only jay targetted Kal lol

At the very least assassin is alive

07:18

That much i know

07:19

Ngl i think yuki was town

07:19

The more I think about it, the more I think it

07:21

Anyways, heading to bed now

07:21

Goodnight

✅ Added @Local Coalminer to the CC!

Carpenter Arch

But light was saying things that were sketch earlier "wow you cced me so fast as a fellow herald thats sus" that doesnt even make sense

Here

yepyep

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17:10

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✅ Added @Timely Inspector to the CC!

17:21

✅ Added @Lantern Checker to the CC!

✅ Added @"Greatest Yard" Winner to the CC!

What's up

Oh i just wanted to show u

Oh show me what

The cc

21:18

To debunk the reasons they wanted to lynch me

I was sleeping what were the reasons and what are you debunking

Uh there was a wall post earlier

21:55

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1384579207857704971/1385279745180041379

Ok

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