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@astraFlare-iac has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 2 @astraFlare-iac @crowechange

Hello!

19:37

Let's do 3 for 3!

Hi friend!

19:37

You go first, since you asked.

What's the usual rules for this kind of thing? One town, one wolf, one unaligned?

Uhhh. Well, you do whatever you want. We make the rules around here

I just wanted to make sure since this is my first time doing this...

19:39

It'd be unfair if I send like 3 town roles and force the idea

19:39

I'll go first, of course! I just want to know how these things usually go

I mean, it’s up to you. I have my 3 in the chamber, and it’s 3 town. Cuz telling you I could be an evil doesn’t exactly make me look good (if I’m evil)

Ohhhh! Got it!

Like, if we’re playing any deception game, even if I’m evil, I’ll be telling you I’m not.

19:40

And if I’m good, well, I won’t be telling you I’m evil lol

19:40

Unless there’s something to gain from it

My three possible roles are: Journalist Barber Huntress

But if you are evil and feel the need to tell me, I won’t stop you lol. But it’s not advised (unless you have some grand big brain master plan)

I actually consider myself one of the more dumber players! I admit it! I just don't do really well in the social deduction aspect, I'm more into trusting other people!

My 3 are: Tattletale Journalist Devout citizen

Ooooh!

astraFlare-iac

I actually consider myself one of the more dumber players! I admit it! I just don't do really well in the social deduction aspect, I'm more into trusting other people!

Luffy is like that too. It does well sometimes, then other times flops

19:43

He classically lies minimally

19:43

Or rather, is really bad at lying.

Same!

It’s hard lying as a new player especially. Since the roles are all new to them. But if you’re evil it’s a bit nicer having the pack or if you’re a solo, at least 1 other person to help you out

Based on our 3 for 3s, mine are all passive unclaimable roles, but you have tattletale in your list! You could say who you're inspecting and if I get the tattletale randomized investigation results, that could confirm you!

If I am that, I haven’t decided who yet.

19:47

And will likely be random (since I won’t have anything to go off of yet)

19:48

Nighttime is when I would have to have that figured out

19:49

But, tbh. On the chance that you’re evil. I prolly won’t wanna confirm myself as an info role (as weak as it is) cuz that would be a good enough reason to kill me if you are wolf

True! It's an end-of-night ability after all!

19:50

Don't worry! At the very least, since I soft claimed as Huntress, I made sure at least I won't target you if I die!

Well, that’s a nice at least lol

19:51

But, keep in mind. IF I am evil, I wouldn’t be telling you I’m evil.

19:51

In my 3 for 3

But then what's the point...

(This is just a general thing, not implying I am, just saying to not be swallowed up by people deception in this game. My play style is to lie ALOT! Lol. But I’m giving you this cuz you’re new and others have that info already, so just getting you up to speed)

We shouldn't lie in our 3 for 3s!

My 3v3 is honest. But just saying, don’t trust everything everyone says.

Nghhh... I'll try...

My thing is; I don’t like to take advantage of new players. So I’m just telling you as much as I can so you know what to expect a bit

Let's see... If I'm going with the assumption you're evil, then, uh... You could fake being tattletale if you were a Hell team? And that's about it.

19:56

Wait, no, that wouldn't work...

crowechange

My 3v3 is honest. But just saying, don’t trust everything everyone says.

You can trust me! My 3v3 is honest too!

Faking a tattletale would be bad imo. Cuz, like you said, if they tell anyone who they investigated, and someone in town gets the threat level and it isn’t who the liar said they checked, then they are outted

19:57

Good fake claims are roles that can’t be disproven.

Are there any in this list?

19:58

Oh, they mentioned Barber earlier!

19:58

Another Hell team fakeable role. Souls are OP! PLS NERF!

Yeah, Journalist, citizen, huntress, devout citizen… uhhh

astraFlare-iac

Another Hell team fakeable role. Souls are OP! PLS NERF!

They’re not as good as you think.

But you get auto protected!

19:59

And you can kill anytime!

Having souls is good, but, you need to have people give away their souls to be of use, and it is broadly known that you shouldn’t sell your soul to them.

What? So people who they wager just don't use it?

And yes, they can protect from night attacks, but that uses up a soul which may want to be used as killing someone. Plus, you can still lynch the devil or demon and souls won’t protect against that.

astraFlare-iac

What? So people who they wager just don't use it?

Yeah, p much

20:00

Some do, but like, you shouldn’t.

20:01

My preference when I get wagered is to just talk them up to try and figure out who is the devil talking to me.

20:01

But using it just makes the hell team stronger

20:01

So it’s not ideal to use it.

Why not? Especially for a non-active role, having a soul to wager for a one-time use ability is better than having nothing right?

20:01

Especially if it's early days like days 1-2.

One sec, getting more coffee

Oh! Sorry for barging in on your coffee time then!

20:03

It's 3 AM for me so I probably should also go, hehe

naw, its all good.

20:09

okay, so. think of the devils bargain like this... you can get protection (which is good mayyyyybe on late game if your role is strong) you can kill someone (which is good if you know someone worth attacking) or you can trade your role (which is good if you dont care if the devil knows it, ie, youre not a strong role... like journalist or citizen) so, with this.... protecting yourself early game is sort of a waste cuz you dont know where the attacks are going to go. so its basically giving the hell team a free soul. attacking is mostly only useful for the wolves or other evils, since its easier to hit town than evils. both of those things give souls for a potential wasted ability use. which in turn helps the devil protect themselves. then trading roles is fine if you dont care about them knowing your role, it also gives you info about another (and also gives them that info) but this doesnt give them a soul, so thats okay.

20:09

but, in saying that, if you get the role of someone like, the assassin, then that sucks as town, cuz theyll surely kill the assassin.

20:09

if they get a soul

20:10

so, all being said, its not great giving them souls since it ups their defence and also gives them more opportunities to kill town.

20:10

keep in mind, they start with 1 soul per member of the hell team. so rn, they already have 2 souls

20:15

basically. to sum it up. its the devils bargain cuz it seems good on paper, but it helps them. so at the end of the day, its not worth taking the deal only to make them stronger.

20:16

the only deal worth taking is the investigation which doesnt give them your soul.

20:16

but that also exposes both you and the person you check.

20:16

so it has its own risks.

I see!

20:18

That actually makes a whole lot of sense now that you lay it out like that!

20:19

Man, I was totally tricked by the devil's bargain! What a well-designed game!

20:19

So the best move for townfolks is to waste the devil's time by refusing the wager!

basically, yes

20:20

like i said, i like trying to get them to talk so i can try and figure out who it is

20:20

so i may teeter on choosing something and asking for their help or wtv.

20:21

if they ever give names for attacks then it helps narrow it down. but a lot of experienced players will talk minimally in there.

Figures...

so if thats ever the case, then ill just like, pester them and shit post

I kind of don't like that the best way to play the game is to speak as little as possible

so if youre the devil, now you know to not bargain me, ill waste your time to no end

Especially when you're a townfolk it sucks because everyone else has little groups they talk in while you're alone in an empty town-square...

astraFlare-iac

I kind of don't like that the best way to play the game is to speak as little as possible

i mean, in the case of the devil in the bargain chat, it is, cuz you dont wanna be found out. but like, i yap constantly and do.... uhhh... alright. not saying im good, but like... it seems to work on occasion.

Come to think of it, I haven't actually won any game so far?!

20:23

I always die!

so its not an umbrella strat. generally, the talkative ones get killed. but like.... its fine if it helps put town in a better position.

20:24

i also yap a lot when im scum too.

Last time I did that as town they lynched me...

i think the key thing is; be careful with what you say, cuz if you say the wrong thing you could get lynched or killed by scum.

20:26

like. dont elude to being a strong role unless theres something to gain or youre baiting wolves to kill you (huntress for instance is okayyyyy) also, if you say something in town, wolves or scum may try to twist your words to get you lynched (if they think youre town and they see an opening to make you look scum)

20:27

anyways, youll get there homie. just takes time to get used to the roles and all the mechanics and such.

20:28

theres really no "right" way to play. this is just my own point of view.

Who is the tattletale inestigating?

Let’s see

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tortoise

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06:33

▶️ Selected @Catnip ( realsad

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Quantum

alr, i have an idea

19:06

but cant publicly say it

19:06

uhhh.

19:07

need a jounalist to come forward though. and scum cant know they are journalist.

19:07

and they have to die tonight lmfao

19:07

ugh, its a tricky path actually

Oh?

19:12

Is this for after phase change or before it changes?

19:13

Oh it is for after this

im thinking to get a journalist into the mayor spot, then theyll be killed tonight likely, then tomorrow they can start gathering claims and begin to sort out the list

Ahh...? But no journalist would do that, and not this late into the phase

i mean, we still have 3.5 hours left.

19:21

thats more than enough time

19:22

the sacrifice for town is the tough thing

19:22

and like. the other thing is, how do we keep the plan secret from scum.

19:22

its tricky

19:22

brb, coffee

19:24

you know what, imma choose to trust you

Oh?!

which may be a bad idea, but, its all ive got

Why the sudden change of heart?

im journalist

YOU ARE?!

yeah

Got it! Then I'll trust you too!

19:25

I'm Barber!

so maybe i just claim and see if i can get mayor, the long game is; i die tonight, then whoever gets the journal can be town trust.

19:25

hi barber!

Hmmm, so are you sending out a code in public that can be answered only by those in the journal channel?

naw, i have a good code that the person that gets the journal can reveal upon my death

19:29

just have to deal with cc wars first lmfao

19:29

then i do public claim

well, that didnt work lmao

19:56

oh well

19:56

i tried

At least for the other town we now have one journo claim!

ye, thats soemthing i guess

19:57

doubt ill die now though, which was my goal.

19:57

hmm.

19:57

i could go full suicidal and claim assassin later tonight

19:58

say that it was a weird big brain play initially to keep myself alive.

19:58

or smt

19:58

need to think this through

19:59

but mainly, i wanna die tonight if i can

@astraFlare-iac imma give you a password also. whoever gets the journal will be the only one who has it.

21:16

password Tater tot poutine with too much sriracha

@crowechange Can you tell me who you're sending journal to?

Oh hi

16:28

Sorry, just catching up on other ccs

16:28

Did you kill Jay?

I've got a LOT of ccs this past 30 mins too LMAO

16:28

Nope!

16:28

It was a Hell kill!

Interesting

16:28

So he’ll kill yeah

16:28

Hell*

I'm about to kill someone, and I'm publicly claiming it for town trusted

Yeah, I’m passing to the other journalist

Oh LMAO

16:29

THAT'S A PLAY YOU CAN DO?!

Cuz if they get it, then are town trust. That puts a target on them, then if they die, someone else gets trusted

16:29

So it keeps the trust moving

16:29

That was my logic anyways

OOOOH

16:29

That's so smart!

Tyty

16:30

And someone claimed the other journo to me, so if they are telling the truth, it should be an easy pass

I see! Then, do you think I should kill you, or someone else?

It’s risky now, cuz like…. Night 1 would have been vamp safe. But by now I am prolly demonized. Especially after yesterday’s public activity. I think I would rather die to lynch, it’s a safer way to pass the journal and not waste your kill

Got it!

16:35

Wait!

16:35

"When a demonized player is killed in the night"

16:35

But this is the day, so you won't turn undead!

16:40

@crowechange What if you send it to Devout Villager?

16:41

Because the devout villager absolutely can't be undead

16:41

Im in contact with a claimant

Yeah, I could do devout.

Please do

The other journalist was good early game, but I can pass to them now

16:46

Now that we have someone who’s a little more trusted

16:46

Being you

Did you put the journalist name on it?

16:46

So we also know

You still have the password right?

I have two passwords

crowechange

password Tater tot poutine with too much sriracha

This

The other one from the krem

16:47

Yup! I got it!

16:49

Here is the plan I'm Barber, and I kill you. This proves I'm town trusted (ish), and the journal goes to Devout Villager. If the journal goes to Devout Villager, then that means Cat (Krem) is most likely town-aligned and is telling the truth!

16:50

@crowechange I just need the go signal from you and I'll press the button!

sure, gimme some time first. in like an hour you can kill me. the kill being barber is way more likely now too cuz the hell kill using a soul to do it

16:51

i doubt that hell would hit 2 people in one day

16:51

so like.... your claim is pretty undisputable

16:51

oh, and ill give you my claims that i have too

16:51

uhh

16:51

stein claims journalist

Got it! Do I approach stein about the passwords later?

well, the password was mostly for whoever got the journal

16:54

and your password is for who gets the journal.

16:54

they go to you and say it

16:54

that way you know they actually got the journal

16:55

hmm

16:55

i do have a bit of a worry now though about killing me

16:56

cuz like.... it confirms you (thats good) but, is killing a town now still good?

16:56

im just pondering this

16:57

i mean, if it gets you to find the devout and also be confirmed. thats progress in the right direction.

You're a potential demonized, so you might not even be town

16:57

Anymore

yesterday was good cuz we didnt have any trusted people, im just wondering if now its still good

16:57

rather than killing someone who is more suss

The plan hinges on the fact Barber kill is immediate

16:58

It means we get info AND we can lynch a sus based on the info

astraFlare-iac

You're a potential demonized, so you might not even be town

demonized doesnt mean undead. i would have had to been attacked at night to be undead

16:58

which i wasnt

Yup

16:59

And if I kill you during the day theres no chance of you turning undead

true, yeah, so thats fair. my death would be for the greater good

16:59

just wondering if there is more suss people out there.

16:59

like, my suss list is pretty big atm

There are two situations 1. I kill you, and we lynch a sus 2. I kill a sus, and we lynch you The 2nd option has less info than the 1st

uhh, lemme grab it for you

No, no

17:00

Send it all to journal!

17:00

Because I'm with devout villager, if they got it then they'd prove themselves that way!

i mean, you can have it too. suss list is in there, and i trust you 100%

17:01

my main suss read here is.

jays shifty rational and refusal to share the cc im in with him.
fish spearheading the tie lynch vote so adamantly
quan cuz hes just been overall super shady and also resistant of there being a TT.
- he was also there for the formation of the kill me plan. hes pretty much announced himself as scum.
zach also literally said hes wolf in town, but that cant be taken too seriously i guess
and finally, everyone else that dog piled ontop of the vote to save me.
- chimimom, cloud, cookie, fish, krem

Krem...

17:01

I see...

krem said he just got online at that moment. which is... idk... not a foolproof rational, but i guess makes sense

Any last words?

but even still.

crowechange

krem said he just got online at that moment. which is... idk... not a foolproof rational, but i guess makes sense

Sounds like an excuse yeah

hollup, i need to get some more stuff in the journal

17:02

one sec

17:02

gimme like, 10 minutes

17:02

ive been living in ccs

17:02

and not the journal

Got it! We'll commence the killing in 10 mins!

@astraFlare-iac wait, let me argue with town a bit

17:09

unless its too late

No no go for it

17:09

You technically still have 4 mins left lol

lmao

17:10

ill stay in town. my journal is mostly done

17:11

i hope its a top seller and gets published

17:11

maybe my future generations will profit and ill become famous

Oh right, can you give me cc host privilege

17:11

So I can share this Director's Cut of the book

oh sure

Command error. You are not an owner of this CC!

17:12

Command error. No valid players, that are part of this CC and not already an owner, were provided!

huh?

17:12

oh

17:12

lmao

17:12

you already are the host

17:12

oh wait

Oh right

imma pass my game show on to jay

17:13

one sec

I'm the one who started the 343 LOL

oh wait

17:13

jay is dead

17:13

17:13

uhhh

17:13

meh

Quick!!!

wtv.

17:13

imma just promote all my ccs

17:13

one sec

17:13

oh, lmfao

17:13

i only have cc wars that i own

17:14

damn

17:14

ive been popular

omg.... wtffff

17:23

this game is crazy

17:24

okay..... uhhh

17:24

wait

You're still alive...

i need to....

17:24

uhhh

17:24

hang on

I already sent the command though...

oh.... no.... nm

17:24

i got overwhelmed by something on my own doing

?

17:25

Please don't change anything and wait for Host

17:25

It would suck if you doubted me at the last second because of bot delay...

yeah, no, im back to normal

17:26

like.... i thought i found something but it was a shitpost

17:26

im just digging through my ccs for any last bits of info to add

Are you proud of me, Huck...?

18:11

Your sacrifice wasn't in vain...!

I'll be using this as MY journal!

Please don't be scum please don't be scum

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