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Werewolves Bot B BOT 20-9-2024 12:21
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Juror [Townsfolk Group]
Limited Role
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The Jurors have a secret channel where they can communicate among themselves securely. During nights, the jury votes to investigate a player. If the jury successfuly investigates a non-town role, it is announced.
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The Juror is part of the jury. The jury can vote to investigate a player each night. The jury recieves the result of the investigation at the end of the night. If the result of the investigation shows a non-town role, the role is announced publicly. The jury is disbanded if there are 1 or fewer Jurors left; this means the jury is active only if at least two Jurors are alive. Any member of the jury, even if they lose their role, can still vote on who to investigate. One of the Jurors that has voted for the jury's target is randomly chosen as the investigator, who performs the investigations. The jury is affected by weak disguises. These effects are seen from the investigator's perspective.
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 12:22
oh lets go
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is this my personal channel
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Townsfolk (12) Citizen x3
  • @Cranberry Bog Worker
Assistant x2 Ranger
  • @Penniless Pickpocketer
Huntress Hooker Priest Juror x3
  • @Apple Seller
  • @Piffling Fisher
  • @Moonshine Maker Wolves (7)
Wolf x2 Sneaking Wolf Saboteur Wolf Tracking Wolf Tanner Recluse Solo (2) Plague Bearer Plague Carrier Unaligned (1) Angel
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 20-9-2024 12:53
Signed Up Players | Total: 22 🦎 - shapechange (@Radium Enjoyer) 🏹 - pokemoncross (@Penniless Pickpocketer) wasted - swurtle (@Shrivelled Vegetable) 🌙 - lunaxmel (@luna) 🦆 - aleeeeeeeeex (@Apple Seller) 👁🗨 - matstress (@Mat Weaver) 🔮 - lorelis (@Lounging Longshoreman) 🍆 - derpsnorlax (@Sleepy Security Officer) 🎨 - captainluffy (@Gold Hoarder) ☢️ - bobloy (@Wandering Worker) bobgun - char._.coal (@Bootleg Coal Miner) 🥖 - im_dumm0 (@Befuddled Banker) 🔫 - sniper__22 (@Gruff Gangster) 🖕 - ddd8000 (@Decently Dapper Dairyman) 🌌 - sharleclaire (@Aspic Enthusiast) 🐼 - kruthers (@Wrathful Grape) 🐟 - mrrfiish (@Piffling Fisher) bro_fist_kiss - charmolypi.x (@Cranberry Bog Worker) 🔥 - steinator (@Startled Stockbroker) 🐱 - katyhawk (@Haggling Hawker) 🍹 - sinisfuel (@Oblivious Oil Tycoon) 👁️ - huckhuck55 (@Hustling Huckster) (edited)
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WWR HR Creative Manager 20-9-2024 13:17
@Apple Seller Welcome back, Junior Game Master! Don't forget how we saw potential in you! Please hand in an edge case between two roles by the end of the day. Any interesting interaction counts!
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 13:31
I had an answer prepared from my search yesterday. My presentation today will be on the interaction between a corrupt wolf and the hags. I will preface though, that this interaction is not explained in the extensive rulebook, so I will use my own logical assumptions. If the corrupt wolf (or any of their teammates) want to vote with town on a pool to hang a hag without wronging the hag faction, they make the wolfish vote count as -1, therefore not voting to lynch the hag. Since it is not announced whose vote counted less, but it is possible to see that one vote was faked, this would lead to suspicion within the town members that voted the hag (since it would be announced that only town has wronged the hags despite the vote numbers not matching). This edge case would not work though in the case that a -1 vote still counts as a vote and the wolves end up wronging the hags as well. @Event Host I will look for another edge case in case my assumptions here are wrong
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I had an answer prepared from my search yesterday. My presentation today will be on the interaction between a corrupt wolf and the hags. I will preface though, that this interaction is not explained in the extensive rulebook, so I will use my own logical assumptions. If the corrupt wolf (or any of their teammates) want to vote with town on a pool to hang a hag without wronging the hag faction, they make the wolfish vote count as -1, therefore not voting to lynch the hag. Since it is not announced whose vote counted less, but it is possible to see that one vote was faked, this would lead to suspicion within the town members that voted the hag (since it would be announced that only town has wronged the hags despite the vote numbers not matching). This edge case would not work though in the case that a -1 vote still counts as a vote and the wolves end up wronging the hags as well. @Event Host I will look for another edge case in case my assumptions here are wrong
WWR HR Creative Manager 20-9-2024 13:34
Incredible find! We're now wondering what the answer is ourselves... Thank you so much for this! Take the day off. You've done incredible.
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Incredible find! We're now wondering what the answer is ourselves... Thank you so much for this! Take the day off. You've done incredible.
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 13:38
I am delighted to hear my work is of value 🫡 . I do believe though that taking the day off this early would be too unproductive, great efforts are needed to get through these tough times!
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 13:39
Maybe you can try applying for other positions again! We would love to see such a competent person in one of the higher up positions!
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 14:03
First of all I would like to apply for shared living (completely missed that announcement) @Event Host
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WWR HR Creative Manager 20-9-2024 14:03
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 14:03
By the way (edited)
14:03
Is that why I immediately got the flu
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WWR HR Creative Manager 20-9-2024 14:03
Well, it's hard to stay clean when you're homeless.
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 14:57
Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Role List Developer. It has become apparent to me that I don't have the experience required to be a Senior Game Master yet, and today's task being identical to the last 2 I had to do doesn't seem like it would change that. Therefore I will apply for the position of Role List Developer. If anything, I believe the 3 tasks I had to do so far gave me more experience for this position than anything else, not to mention the precision with which I have solved them so far. I believe my performance today more than qualifies me for this position. Additionally I have been a loyal employee as well, reporting any malicious behavior going on in the company and doing everything in my power for our success. My vast experience with other social deduction games will also help me with this position, seeing that I'm able to identify Kingmaker situations, edge case interactions that weren't even considered yet (despite not being credited for it) and general imbalances in the role list, even at a first read. I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host (edited)
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Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Role List Developer. It has become apparent to me that I don't have the experience required to be a Senior Game Master yet, and today's task being identical to the last 2 I had to do doesn't seem like it would change that. Therefore I will apply for the position of Role List Developer. If anything, I believe the 3 tasks I had to do so far gave me more experience for this position than anything else, not to mention the precision with which I have solved them so far. I believe my performance today more than qualifies me for this position. Additionally I have been a loyal employee as well, reporting any malicious behavior going on in the company and doing everything in my power for our success. My vast experience with other social deduction games will also help me with this position, seeing that I'm able to identify Kingmaker situations, edge case interactions that weren't even considered yet (despite not being credited for it) and general imbalances in the role list, even at a first read. I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host (edited)
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 15:00
This is a great application, however unfortunately the application of our current role list developer was equally great so we cannot accept you!
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This is a great application, however unfortunately the application of our current role list developer was equally great so we cannot accept you!
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 15:03
If I may, I would list to ask for what position you have considered me for a promotion. It was at your suggestion that I thought to apply for a different position after all.
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 15:04
Any position would be great! But our application standards are beyond our control
15:05
We do not decide which application is good enough and which is not
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 15:08
Are multiple applications in a day/ at once possible? And if I were to simply apply for a promotion, would I be offered a position based on my experience and exploits? @Event Host
15:09
I do believe that my experience greatly exceeds that of a Jr. position after all
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 15:10
You can apply 3 times per day
15:10
You have to either specifically apply for a specific position or you can apply for a pay raise
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I do believe that my experience greatly exceeds that of a Jr. position after all
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 15:11
We believe so too! If only it was up to us...
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 15:53
Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Senior Game Master. Your swift support and encouraging words have convinced me to apply for my dream position once again! On top of my prior experience and stellar (and still uncredited) performance during my daily tasks, I have also gone through 2 different trainings by both the prior and the actual Senior Game Masters. As you have also confirmed, my experience is much more suited for a senior position than my current Jr. post. While I only have the utmost respect for my current superior, Gold Hoarder, I would also like to bring to your attention that my longevity at this company surpasses theirs, and hope you will take this factor into account when reviewing my application. I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 17:57
Dear HR Department, leaving a job promotion aside at the moment, I would like to book an appointment so we could discuss my current salary. Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 17:59
Would you still like us to process the previous application, we must have mised it previously.
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Would you still like us to process the previous application, we must have mised it previously.
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 17:59
I would, yes
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Apple Seller
Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Senior Game Master. Your swift support and encouraging words have convinced me to apply for my dream position once again! On top of my prior experience and stellar (and still uncredited) performance during my daily tasks, I have also gone through 2 different trainings by both the prior and the actual Senior Game Masters. As you have also confirmed, my experience is much more suited for a senior position than my current Jr. post. While I only have the utmost respect for my current superior, Gold Hoarder, I would also like to bring to your attention that my longevity at this company surpasses theirs, and hope you will take this factor into account when reviewing my application. I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 18:00
A decent application, but unfortunately worse than the one from our current SGM. Rejected. ghost_pensive
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Dear HR Department, leaving a job promotion aside at the moment, I would like to book an appointment so we could discuss my current salary. Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host (edited)
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 18:00
Alright, let's do it
18:01
We can open up a meeting with your manager and HR
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 18:02
That would be lovely (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
We can open up a meeting with your manager and HR
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 18:21
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Dear HR Department, leaving a job promotion aside at the moment, I would like to book an appointment so we could discuss my current salary. Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host (edited)
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 18:50
does this count as one of my 3 applications
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 18:52
It did not for now, but would you like to submit the text you sent in the cc as a pay raise request?
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It did not for now, but would you like to submit the text you sent in the cc as a pay raise request?
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 18:53
Doing so would leave me with no requests today?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 18:53
Yes
18:53
You have only 1 application remaining
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 18:54
Okay, I will send it as a pay raise request
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 18:54
please resend the relevant text as a pay raise request with an event host ping then
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 19:00
Dear HR departent, I would like to request a pay raise, as I believe to be more than qualified for it through my work and activity. My individual tasks in the first and second day were to research interesting interactions between 2 different roles. While doing these tasks I have read through the entire extended rulebook once, repeating areas of interest as many times as necessary. My answer on the first day was related to the previous game I had just won and one of the tactics I used to achieve that, namely the interaction between herald and dog/cat. In a situation like the previous game, where the dog and cat were forced to become aligned, and there was no additional FT / warlock in the role list, we got to a situation where we knew one of them was dead but couldn't confirm the role of the other. Using reporter information though, I figured out that the night the cat had died was the same night I was checking for FT with my herald ability. This basically meant I could confirm the remaining dog no matter what they chose and form an alliance. On the second day, I did a bit of theory crafting themed after snowballing, with various interactions between the cupid and role changers. I talked about the vampire and the infecting wolf targeting the cupid's lover specifically, and how it removes one player from one faction and adds two to another one. With this analysis I also highlighted the case where the cupid's lover was a cult member, making such a play even stronger by planting a spy in the town faction. My task on the third day, but this time I was asked to research and edge case instead of any interaction. For this I went with the aforementioned corrupting wolf - hag interaction, which had already been on my mind yesterday, and which was praised by you as an incredible find and even brought up to higher management. (1/2)
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I have additionally received specialised training from my managers in various subjects and learnt about the backend functionality of the game, giving me an even better understanding on how to perform my tasks as a GM. I hope you will carefully consider this request and make an offer appropriate for my dedication and results so far! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller (2/2)
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Dear HR departent, I would like to request a pay raise, as I believe to be more than qualified for it through my work and activity. My individual tasks in the first and second day were to research interesting interactions between 2 different roles. While doing these tasks I have read through the entire extended rulebook once, repeating areas of interest as many times as necessary. My answer on the first day was related to the previous game I had just won and one of the tactics I used to achieve that, namely the interaction between herald and dog/cat. In a situation like the previous game, where the dog and cat were forced to become aligned, and there was no additional FT / warlock in the role list, we got to a situation where we knew one of them was dead but couldn't confirm the role of the other. Using reporter information though, I figured out that the night the cat had died was the same night I was checking for FT with my herald ability. This basically meant I could confirm the remaining dog no matter what they chose and form an alliance. On the second day, I did a bit of theory crafting themed after snowballing, with various interactions between the cupid and role changers. I talked about the vampire and the infecting wolf targeting the cupid's lover specifically, and how it removes one player from one faction and adds two to another one. With this analysis I also highlighted the case where the cupid's lover was a cult member, making such a play even stronger by planting a spy in the town faction. My task on the third day, but this time I was asked to research and edge case instead of any interaction. For this I went with the aforementioned corrupting wolf - hag interaction, which had already been on my mind yesterday, and which was praised by you as an incredible find and even brought up to higher management. (1/2)
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 19:10
An excellent application. We can offer an increased salary of 20 TokenCub
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It should be noted that for JGM this is two raises in one
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An excellent application. We can offer an increased salary of 20 TokenCub
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 19:13
I will happily accept that offer!
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 19:13
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Apple Seller 20-9-2024 19:26
May I ask 3 questions, 2 of which are related to the application process?
  • Is it possible to know who I am currently living with since I'm in shared housing?
  • Is every application seen as a standalone, or is information I added in one application regarded in the next ones as well?
  • Do failed applications impact the outcome of future decisions that impact me, or am I free to keep trying?
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May I ask 3 questions, 2 of which are related to the application process?
  • Is it possible to know who I am currently living with since I'm in shared housing?
  • Is every application seen as a standalone, or is information I added in one application regarded in the next ones as well?
  • Do failed applications impact the outcome of future decisions that impact me, or am I free to keep trying?
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 20-9-2024 21:04
1. Why? 2. Applications are seen standalone, pay raise requests are in addition to your original application and past accepted pay raise request 3. Failed application have no impact besides using up your application limit for the day
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1. Why? 2. Applications are seen standalone, pay raise requests are in addition to your original application and past accepted pay raise request 3. Failed application have no impact besides using up your application limit for the day
Apple Seller 20-9-2024 21:07
Okay, thank you
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If i answer the first question it might come back to bite me in the ass
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 00:06
Your updated balance is: 115 Your sick! You have the Flu. As you have no health insurance you need to buy the medicine yourself or you will be unable to work. It costs 20 TokenCub (edited)
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Your updated balance is: 115 Your sick! You have the Flu. As you have no health insurance you need to buy the medicine yourself or you will be unable to work. It costs 20 TokenCub (edited)
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 00:09
I got 25?
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Also would buying basic insurance cover a flu, and would I be able to use it now?
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Apple Seller
I got 25?
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 00:13
It was +15 today total
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If we did everything right!
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Also would buying basic insurance cover a flu, and would I be able to use it now?
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 00:13
Basic insurance does indeed cover flu, but only starting from tomorrow
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It is also too late now to get insurance as it is night
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 00:13
damn shared housing
00:14
ill pay, would hate not to work
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 00:15
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 21-9-2024 12:05
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Plague Carrier [Solo Miscellaneous - Plague Team]
Basics
The Plague Carrier wins with the plague bearers and joins a channel with them to communicate securely.
Details
The Plague Carrier does not have any special abilities. If somebody tries to copy a plague bearer, a Plague Carrier is created instead. The Plague Carrier can become contaminated. A contaminated Plague Carrier will never die due to the plague. A plague bearer may not attempt to directly contaminate the Plague Carrier using one of their rodents. If the last plague bearer dies, and there are rodents left, the Plague Carrier stops being contaminated and becomes a plague bearer. At the start of every phase, the Plague Carrier is told the amount of living contaminated players.
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Plague Bearer [Solo Killing - Plague Team]
Basics
The Plague Bearer's disease is lethal and highly contagious. Their desire is to kill off all other players.
Details (1/2)
The Plague Bearer starts the game with rodents that carry the plague. They have one rodent for every five players in the game (rounded). If there are several Plague Bearers then they know each other and their rodent counts are combined. Each Plague Bearer may use one rodent per night. Each night, the Plague Bearer may free one of their rodents to contaminate another player. Contaminated players will be affected by the disease. The Plague Bearer cannot be contaminated. If the Plague Bearer attempts to contaminate an already contaminated player, they are informed, but the rodent is still used up. Contaminating a player is an immediate ability. Any player who visits or is visited by a contaminated player immediately becomes contaminated themselves. All types of action (target, attack, investigation, etc) are considered visits. At the start of the second night after being contaminated, the player is informed that they are contaminated.
Details (2/2)
At the end of the second night after being contaminated, the player will die. This is not an attack. Should the player still be alive afterwards, they remain contaminated, but will not die due to being contaminated again. If no members of the plague team or channel remain, all players stop being contaminated: they are not informed of this. If the Plague Bearer attempts to use a rodent on the Plague Doctor, the attempt fails, the Plague Doctor immediately dies (this is not an attack), and the rodent is not used up.
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 12:06
If someone is contaminated on one day and is visited 2 days later the visitor still gets the plague correct?
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Werewolves Broadcasting Company 21-9-2024 12:10
Correct
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WWR HR Creative Manager 21-9-2024 12:10
Welcome back to work! Of course we work through the weekends! Could you find us another edge case or unique interaction between roles please? @Apple Seller
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 12:10
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 12:26
I would like to check my account balance @Event Host
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 12:27
We believe your account balance to be 95 currently
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 12:32
Okay, thank you
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:25
I believe I found another vaguely documented edge case: I will now talk about the interaction between Hooker and Priest (thought of it while thinking about the current game). The details of the Priest go as follows: "If the targeted player is a lycan, they are attacked. If they are townsfolk aligned, the Priest dies.". The word targeted here would imply that the Priest's attack doesn't actually need to go through, their target just needs to be townfolk aligned for them to die. That leads to a possible edge case where the Priest attacks a Hooker visiting someone else. In this case, the Priest's attack cannot reach the Hooker as they are not home, but their target is still townfolk aligned. My own assumption in this situation would be that the Priest will not die when using holy water on a visiting Hooker, but in my opinion the wording could leave it up for interpretation. @Event Host
14:27
In the same vein, I am wondering what would happen if the priest targeted a townfolk aligned role that's protected by a guardian or any other protective role.
14:27
Wait wait I would like to expand my answer as I thought of an even weirder edge case.
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Wait wait I would like to expand my answer as I thought of an even weirder edge case.
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:29
  • nevermind the case i was thinking about can't happen
14:30
unless I missed a role, I'll go through the list rq but in the meantime the case i highlighted will be my answer.
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I believe I found another vaguely documented edge case: I will now talk about the interaction between Hooker and Priest (thought of it while thinking about the current game). The details of the Priest go as follows: "If the targeted player is a lycan, they are attacked. If they are townsfolk aligned, the Priest dies.". The word targeted here would imply that the Priest's attack doesn't actually need to go through, their target just needs to be townfolk aligned for them to die. That leads to a possible edge case where the Priest attacks a Hooker visiting someone else. In this case, the Priest's attack cannot reach the Hooker as they are not home, but their target is still townfolk aligned. My own assumption in this situation would be that the Priest will not die when using holy water on a visiting Hooker, but in my opinion the wording could leave it up for interpretation. @Event Host
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:32
Yes that is indeed an edge case. And as you have pointed out the priest attack doesnt actually always goes through, it first checks the target. As it checks a Hooker as a townsfolk-aligned role it would then die and not execute an attack
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:34
By the way, have you ever considered something akin to ToS Transporter?
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so someone who swaps the position of 2 people at night
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:39
I don't really see what this adds
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I don't really see what this adds
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:39
I mean it's one of the strongest roles in ToS for a reason
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:39
Sure, I can see why
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  • nevermind the case i was thinking about can't happen
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:40
What I was thinking here was Assistant redirecting a wolf to the Priest's target but I figured it doesn't work that way
14:40
Instead with something like a transporter this kind of interaction would actually work that way
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:40
transporter makes the game more chaotic and unpredictable
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while not really adding anything interesting or unique
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:41
Interesting is subjective I guess but it is definitely unique
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Only thing that kinda works like it right now is the plague spreading to all visitors as well
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:41
interesting isn't really subjective
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at least not from a game design perspective
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it is slightly unique as it can direct kills onto others which others cant really do
14:43
but its other part is just an unlimited protective role
14:43
unlimited protective roles are famously extremly uninteresting in a long-form werewolves game
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:44
Yeah with how "weak" roles are in this version it would definitely need to be nerfed
14:44
The perspective is really interesting though, thanks for entertaining my thoughts (edited)
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Yeah with how "weak" roles are in this version it would definitely need to be nerfed
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:44
The roles tend to be pretty powerful here tbh ghost_hepi
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The roles tend to be pretty powerful here tbh ghost_hepi
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:44
I respectfully disagree
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:45
Transporter works in a short-form context where more chaos is nice
14:45
But in a game with few nightly kills each protective roles needs to be extremly carefully considered
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Apple Seller
I respectfully disagree
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:46
I guess you are right in that we dont have extremly powerful roles
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:46
My only term of comparison is ToS and town roles there are much much stronger, to the point where you can just follow the meta and have a decent chance at winning. I'm not saying the roles here are unbalanced, just that they're fairly weak so there's a lot more social deduction involved, as opposed to just organising knowledge and cooperation
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:46
What we like to do is design roles with a power, but weak powers
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:47
I personally dislike roles like wolf or citizen for example, but I understand why they exist
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:47
In the old days the game setup was some powerful roles (assassin, fortune teller, etc) and many powerless roles (citizen, wolf)
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:47
Especially in games like this
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:47
But we too dont enjoy citizen and wolf
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In the old days the game setup was some powerful roles (assassin, fortune teller, etc) and many powerless roles (citizen, wolf)
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:47
ah yes the good old jailor meta thing
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:47
So over the years we tried to design weak roles that we can put in instead of powerless roles
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So that people have at least some power, even if not the strongest one
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In long-form context you cant have tons of powerful roles unless you want chaos
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:48
I can see why now that i've played (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:49
Our famous series of Thief's Hell game is an example of games where we put only powerful role
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:49
Having a single result as herald was pretty fun but I was still pretty much at the mercy of rng for like 4 days
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:49
Herald is one of those roles specifically constructed to be weak
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Yet it can be game changing if well utilized
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There's also a problem of roles being able to proof themselves too easily
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If you have any power that affects anything or gains info it can be decently easy to figure out if you really have that role given an entire day to examine evidence
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Role design has to be very different when considering players can have hours to think rather than minutes
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And we're always trying to improve/adjust/fix things
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
Role design has to be very different when considering players can have hours to think rather than minutes
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:53
Good point
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:54
We famously do not have a generic protective role that can protect one player each night (besides Guardian which is elected)
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Which is a common role and I dont think anyone can say its bad
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However in WWR it would be uninteresting
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Sure, it's effective and powerful and useful
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
We famously do not have a generic protective role that can protect one player each night (besides Guardian which is elected)
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:54
that was the first thing i noticed when i signed up lol
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:55
And sure you'll be able to save people, and sure probably every now and then a unpredictable protections or kill happens which could be considered interesting
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But in the end it is more interesting to have people deal with the fact that their key people can die
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Also the biggest (and difficult to solve) issue in long-form werewolves is that dead players cannot play, so extending game durations is not desirable
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On Mini Wolves I'm sure a protective role like that would work
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:57
Yeah the medium is iffy at best considering dead players can just read all chats (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:57
Medium is right now the only interaction with dead and it's not very strong or interesting
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:57
I think dying early is just something you gotta deal with
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:57
Most of the time it is a simple quesiton that requires no engagment from dead players to answerr
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:58
people leave ToS matches when they die early and those last 20 minutes lol
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:58
Yeah, but they can play another one
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We can't really offer that
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It's why we were testing a game mode called Haunting where dead people can still play
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:59
Btw do the dead people who still participate in the event have access to all chats as well?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 14:59
Yes
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so technically they can still applications ghost_slight_smile (edited)
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 14:59
So you're just gonna trust like 10 different people later on not to give info
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
so technically they can still applications ghost_slight_smile (edited)
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:00
surely they can't read event ccs 🙂
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:00
dead people can see everything
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Apple Seller
So you're just gonna trust like 10 different people later on not to give info
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:00
yes
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
dead people can see everything
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:01
Hello ghosts 👋
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:01
but yeah people just gotta deal with dying early
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but it still sucks
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:21
Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Role List Developer. I believe the 4 tasks I had to do so far gave me more experience for this position than anything else, not to mention the precision with which I have solved them so far. I believe my performance in the last 3 days especially more than qualifies me for this position. Additionally I have been a loyal employee as well, reporting any malicious behavior going on in the company and doing everything in my power for our success. My vast experience with other social deduction games will also help me with this position, seeing that I'm able to identify Kingmaker situations, edge case interactions that weren't even considered yet and general imbalances in the role list, even at a first read. Additionally, I have been extensively trained in areas relevant for this position by my superiors. I now have an understanding of the backend behind GM duties, as well as the programming behind the game of werewolf and role functionality. I can confidently say that my vast experience of working with Google spreadsheets, including JS extensions, and my theoretical background gained during my Software Eng. studies qualifies me for this position. Following an interesting discussion with my superior I also gained a better understanding of the balancing that goes behind role modifications and additions! I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
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Dear HR Department, I am writing this email with the intent of applying for the position of Role List Developer. I believe the 4 tasks I had to do so far gave me more experience for this position than anything else, not to mention the precision with which I have solved them so far. I believe my performance in the last 3 days especially more than qualifies me for this position. Additionally I have been a loyal employee as well, reporting any malicious behavior going on in the company and doing everything in my power for our success. My vast experience with other social deduction games will also help me with this position, seeing that I'm able to identify Kingmaker situations, edge case interactions that weren't even considered yet and general imbalances in the role list, even at a first read. Additionally, I have been extensively trained in areas relevant for this position by my superiors. I now have an understanding of the backend behind GM duties, as well as the programming behind the game of werewolf and role functionality. I can confidently say that my vast experience of working with Google spreadsheets, including JS extensions, and my theoretical background gained during my Software Eng. studies qualifies me for this position. Following an interesting discussion with my superior I also gained a better understanding of the balancing that goes behind role modifications and additions! I hope my application will be very carefully considered and thank you in advance for the swift response! Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:24
A truly unbelievable application, the best we have seen so far, for any position. We will fire our current Role List Developer and hire you. We offer a salary of 60 TokenCub
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We do however require you to adjust your living situation. At such a position we cannot have you reside in shared living.
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
A truly unbelievable application, the best we have seen so far, for any position. We will fire our current Role List Developer and hire you. We offer a salary of 60 TokenCub
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:26
I am content with the offer I was given and will accept this position. I will also move into a house for this reason!
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:27
ghost_thumbsup
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@Apple Seller Here's your first task: Please design a balanced role list for 32 players. Please additionally summarize your thoughts behind the role list as well once its done.
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@Apple Seller Here's your first task: Please design a balanced role list for 32 players. Please additionally summarize your thoughts behind the role list as well once its done.
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:32
Are there any statistics sheets I can use for this?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:32
What sort of statistics are you looking for?
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:32
role win rates / individual game results
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:33
Nope! Unfortunately we do not have that anymore
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It broke google
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true story
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:33
lmao ok got u
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:40
@WWR HR Generalist (Dead) hypothetically speaking. Since my current application is the best for any position, could i apply to positions one by one and get people fired then come back to a higher position
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hepi
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 15:58
Oh it is the best application we received overall compared accross all positions
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That doesn't mean you would get a different position with it
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But you can try!
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 15:58
i see i see
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ill leave that thought in the backburner for now
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
It broke google
WWR HR Creative Manager 21-9-2024 16:06
I remember this vividly
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oh right the support ticket lol
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 16:12
Can a barber attack each day or is it a one time use?
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WWR HR Creative Manager 21-9-2024 16:12
1x
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starting d2
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 16:12
okay, thank you
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 21-9-2024 16:23
Packless Werewolves
While most werewolves are part of the wolfpack, some werewolves are not part of it and are considered to be 'packless'. All 'lone werewolves' and 'foxes' are considered to be packless. List: ArchivistFox Archivist Fox ClairvoyantFox Clairvoyant Fox DisguisedFox Disguised Fox LoneWolf Lone Wolf LoneWarlock Lone Warlock Recluse Recluse Tanner Tanner Warlock Warlock Baroness Baroness Gallant Fox Greater Coyote Lesser Coyote
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
@Apple Seller Here's your first task: Please design a balanced role list for 32 players. Please additionally summarize your thoughts behind the role list as well once its done.
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 16:27
May I run my role list through the SGM first for a second opinion before handing it in, or would that be seen as incompetency on my part?
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 16:51
Nevermind that, I have confidence in my own work! Before I give the list and the thoughts behind balancing I would like to add that I did try backreading previous games, but could not find a single one with a 32 player role list. The closest I could find had 29 players, the one I played earlier, so it is quite hard to tell what a perfectly balanced looks like. The game I came up with is: 16 Town
  • Executioner
  • Barber
  • Huntress
  • Assistant (2x)
  • Devout Villager
  • Citizen (3x)
  • Child
  • Idiot
  • Assassin
  • Random TI (2x)
  • Fortune Apprentice
  • Random TP 10 wolves
  • Wolf (2x)
  • Wolf Cub
  • Sneaking Wolf
  • Scared Wolf
  • Corrupt Wolf
  • Pack Tanner
  • Lone Wolf
  • Tanner
  • Clairvoyant Fox
2 Solo
  • vampire (2x)
4 Unaligned
  • angel
  • despot
  • rival
  • rival
From What I've seen, games usually follow a ~50% town, ~30% wolf, ~20% solo/unaligned formula, so for my first ever rolelist I stuck close to that. I will now explain the various synnergies, mechanics and attempts at balancing that went into this:
  • Vampires: The solo faction I went with was vampires. Though this may seems crazy in a 32-player game due to corrupted players reviving as undead, I have taken several measures to balance the faction.
  • Assassin / Barber / Lone Wolf: Because of the number of players and the existence of vampires I have added a few killing roles to help reduce the number of players early
  • Executioner, Angel, Child, Wolf Cub - this not only prevents the executioner from easily becoming TT, it's also an attempt at balancing the vampires by allowing several extra lynches through various circumstances to get rid of infected players without turning them Undead.
  • Vampires, Tanner, Pack Tanner, Random TI, Fortune Apprentice, Clairvoyant Fox - the game has several investigative roles in play which could further weaken the vampire faction by allowing them to be found early. Therefore there are both a tanner and a pack tanner in play.
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  • Executioner, Barber, Random TI, Random TP: The barber acts as a guaranteed town trusted, with the executioner being a backup town trusted. To balance this I have added 3 random town roles that allow for other factions to fake claim with more freedom.
  • Sneaking Wolf, Citizens: Adds an extra check to various investigative roles
  • Idiot, Corrupt Wolf: the idiot gives town a third possible town trusted, and the corrupt wolf servers to possibly fake that role.
  • Huntress, Scared Wolf: Huntress gives more killing power to town to accelerate the game and the scared wolf acts as a counter
  • Devout Villagers: possible extra interaction between town and vampires
  • Despot, Citizens, Wolf, Assistants: misc roles that allow more deflection and weak claims
  • Rivals: I'm a fan of possible kingmakers and secret deals in a game like this where you get to actually spend time devising strategies
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@Event Host
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phew
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 16:58
Good work! It is nice to see all your thoughts laid out like this. Unfortunately you are right and we have little use for a 32 player list as we rarely have above 30 players... So I guess it goes straight to the shredder
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But good work anyway!
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 17:09
Dear HR department, I would like to request a pay raise, as I believe to be more than qualified for it through my work and activity. So far I have completed all my tasks at this company with great success. During my time as Jr. GM I have found previously undiscovered edge cases, as well as interactions that got people confused in older games before the depression, and interesting interactions discovered through my own experience. Not only that, but despite today being a weekend, I have also solved an additional task for the role I've been promoted to. Not only was this task difficult because of my inexperience as a Role List Dev, it also involved an uncommon situation with a game of almost double the size of the average WWR game. I tackled this task with all my might and I believe to have achieved a stellar result despite the unfavourable circumstances. Aside from my role specific tasks, I believe to have shown great loyalty to our company by my participation in extra lectures by my superiors, as well as my curiosity for the technical aspect of the game. Not only that, but twice now I have opted to buy expensive medicine despite these tough economic times rather than miss a day at work, as I believe that we're going to need every sliver of work possible to get through this crisis! I have also incurred additional costs by moving into a bigger property, worthy of my position, so as to not lower the image of our company! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
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Dear HR department, I would like to request a pay raise, as I believe to be more than qualified for it through my work and activity. So far I have completed all my tasks at this company with great success. During my time as Jr. GM I have found previously undiscovered edge cases, as well as interactions that got people confused in older games before the depression, and interesting interactions discovered through my own experience. Not only that, but despite today being a weekend, I have also solved an additional task for the role I've been promoted to. Not only was this task difficult because of my inexperience as a Role List Dev, it also involved an uncommon situation with a game of almost double the size of the average WWR game. I tackled this task with all my might and I believe to have achieved a stellar result despite the unfavourable circumstances. Aside from my role specific tasks, I believe to have shown great loyalty to our company by my participation in extra lectures by my superiors, as well as my curiosity for the technical aspect of the game. Not only that, but twice now I have opted to buy expensive medicine despite these tough economic times rather than miss a day at work, as I believe that we're going to need every sliver of work possible to get through this crisis! I have also incurred additional costs by moving into a bigger property, worthy of my position, so as to not lower the image of our company! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 17:22
Unfortunately you already have the highest possible salary for your position and we cannot grant you another pay raise.
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Unfortunately you already have the highest possible salary for your position and we cannot grant you another pay raise.
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 17:24
Would it be possible to negotiate for benefits such as basic insurance?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 17:26
That would need to be discussed with the CEO and Treasurer. We are currently not authorized to grant benefits such as basic insurance, which would have to be authorized by the CEO. Furthermore the Treasurer would need to check if we can fit this in our budget.
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 18:04
I understand
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 18:06
If you'd like to schedule a meeting with the CEO and Treasurer let us know!
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If you'd like to schedule a meeting with the CEO and Treasurer let us know!
Apple Seller 21-9-2024 18:10
Will skip out on that for now. Instead I would like to buy basic insurance
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 18:12
ghost_thumbsup
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 23:51
@Participant You have been infected with the Common Cold. It is covered by your health insurance so there are no further consequences for you.
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Apple Seller 21-9-2024 23:54
Let's go
23:54
I am incredibly drunk can you ignore anything I say until 11 utc
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 21-9-2024 23:57
ghost_joy
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 00:50
Who tf is the bank
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WWR HR Creative Manager 22-9-2024 12:32
Lucky for you, your illness was covered. Otherwise you wouldn't have been able to work on this lovely Sunday! Your had some strong points yesterday in listing that such a big role list was totally unneccesary! So please come up with a 29 player role list! @Apple Seller
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 16:44
@Event Host Are taxes paid automatically? If not I would like to pay my taxes
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 16:44
They are not paid automatically!
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You need to specify the amount of tax you want to pay
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 16:45
My current salary is 60 right now and that makes me fall within the 20% bracket right?
16:45
Actually could I also see my baance while at it
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 16:45
Your current balance is 130
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We cannot give any advice on tax payments unfortunately, we're only HR
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 16:46
I will pay 12 coins in taxes
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 16:46
ghost_thumbsup
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 16:46
(i did double check this with a calculator for reference) (edited)
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 22-9-2024 16:55
✅ Created #treasurer_stuff!
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 16:55
could i have this refunded
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 22-9-2024 17:07
Apple Seller's ccs is 3!
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Apple Seller's ccs value now is 2!
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 17:07
refunded
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 17:09
Thank you
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 22-9-2024 19:19
⛔ Syntax error. Invalid Player: huck!
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⛔ DiscordAPIError[50035]. Invalid Form Body. parent_id[CHANNEL_PARENT_MAX_CHANNELS]: Maximum number of channels in category reached (50). Could not set category!
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⛔ DiscordAPIError[50035]. Invalid Form Body. parent_id[CHANNEL_PARENT_MAX_CHANNELS]: Maximum number of channels in category reached (50). Could not set category!
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 20:21
@Apple Seller this has been fixed, try again
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@Apple Seller this has been fixed, try again
Apple Seller 22-9-2024 21:03
Am fine in the meantime
21:03
Could I have that refunded as well
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 21:04
Did it create a channel?
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Did it create a channel?
Apple Seller 22-9-2024 21:08
It did yes, it's the one huck was trolling in
21:08
The one he asked me to rename
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 21:08
ah
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 22-9-2024 21:08
Apple Seller's ccs is 3!
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Apple Seller's ccs value now is 2!
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 22-9-2024 21:08
refunded
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 21:09
Thank you
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@Event Host do I have night phase to do my task too?
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@Event Host do I have night phase to do my task too?
WWR HR Creative Manager 22-9-2024 21:10
No.
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 21:12
I'll vote for PPP @Event Host
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WWR HR Creative Manager 22-9-2024 21:12
👍
21:12
Excellent choice, if I can say so myself!
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 22-9-2024 21:28
Alive Players | Total: 20 🦎 - shapechange (@Radium Enjoyer) 🏹 - pokemoncross (@Penniless Pickpocketer) wasted - swurtle (@Shrivelled Vegetable) 🌙 - lunaxmel (@luna) 🦆 - aleeeeeeeeex (@Apple Seller) 👁🗨 - matstress (@Mat Weaver) 🔮 - lorelis (@Lounging Longshoreman) 🎨 - captainluffy (@Gold Hoarder) ☢️ - bobloy (@Wandering Worker) bobgun - char._.coal (@Bootleg Coal Miner) 🥖 - im_dumm0 (@Befuddled Banker) 🔫 - sniper__22 (@Gruff Gangster) 🖕 - ddd8000 (@Decently Dapper Dairyman) 🌌 - sharleclaire (@Aspic Enthusiast) 🐟 - mrrfiish (@Piffling Fisher) bro_fist_kiss - charmolypi.x (@Cranberry Bog Worker) 🔥 - steinator (@Startled Stockbroker) 🐱 - katyhawk (@Haggling Hawker) 🍹 - sinisfuel (@Oblivious Oil Tycoon) 👁️ - huckhuck55 (@Hustling Huckster) (edited)
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 22:41
Town x14 Executioner x1 Cult Leader x1 Cult Member x2 Huntress x1 Herald x2 Aura Teller x1 Assistant x2 Journalist x2 Citizen x2 Werewolves x8 Psychic Wolf x1 Scared Wolf x1 Saboteur Wolf x1 Sneaking Wolf x1 Wolf Cub x1 Tanner x1 Lone Wolf x1 Disguised Fox x1 Solo x3 Flute Apprentice x1 Flute Player x1 Flute Charmer x1 Unaligned x4 Chef x1 Angel x1 Cat x1 Dog x1 (bound to ft/warlock) Balancing:
  • Executioner / Cub / Angel: town has the possibility of gaining a town trusted, but other factions have counters to it.
  • Flute / Cult / Lone Wolf / Executioner / Huntress: Since flute isn't a faction that can kill players, additional killing roles are added to accelerate the 29 player game
  • Heralds / Aura Teller / Dog, Cat / Psychic Wolf / Journalists: necessary investigative roles, countered by disguised fox, tanner and assistants
  • Scared Wolf - counter to Huntress
  • Chef - Kingmaker
  • Citizen, Sneaking Wolf - further counters to TI
  • Tanner, Disguised Fox - indirect help for flute team
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WWR HR Creative Manager 22-9-2024 22:43
That's really nice! Thank you for this list. We won't add it to the archives, as we currently lack a team member in that department, but we will cross your task off of today's list!
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 22:43
wait
22:43
is huck 🦀
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WWR HR Creative Manager 22-9-2024 22:44
You can check all currently available positions on our notice board, #event-information!
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Apple Seller 22-9-2024 22:44
like there is an archivist
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 23-9-2024 12:16
✅ Created #schemes_and_machinations!
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WWR HR Creative Manager 23-9-2024 12:24
Nice job on your Sunday work, now let's get ready for some Monday work. I'll go easy on you, can you make a simple 16 player role list? Oh, but don't include any wolves. Switch it up! @Apple Seller
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Nice job on your Sunday work, now let's get ready for some Monday work. I'll go easy on you, can you make a simple 16 player role list? Oh, but don't include any wolves. Switch it up! @Apple Seller
Apple Seller 23-9-2024 12:30
Thank you for giving me more work, I love work
12:30
what happens if i guard a priest that used holy water on town
12:31
can i keep them alive / will they found out they died but got saved?
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 23-9-2024 12:31
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Guardian [Extra Elected]
Basics
The Guardian protects the town. When there are 15 or fewer players, the Guardian may choose one player. This player cannot be killed by attacks during the current night. When there are more than 15 players, they may choose up to two.
Details
The Guardian chooses their protected player(s) during the night, and they will be protected from attacks during the current night. They may not protect a player who was protected by a Guardian in the previous night, but may protect themself and/or alternate between two or more players. Any attack against a player protected by the Guardian fails, however a protected player may still die through other means. The Guardian is elected on the first full day with a living Mayor, a living Reporter and no living Guardian. Protecting players from attacks is an immediate effect. The Guardian may resign at the end of any phase. The Guardian gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Guardians.
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WWR HR Creative Manager 23-9-2024 12:32
Guardian protects from attacks, but a priest simply dies
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 12:32
figured
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 23-9-2024 13:20
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Ranger [Townsfolk Miscellaneous]
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The Ranger may select a player to reveal with their dying breath.
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The Ranger may target a player. They can update this target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Ranger wants. The Ranger may choose to target nobody, which will stop their power from being used. When the Ranger dies in any way other than by directly being lynched, their target will be revealed in story time. The Ranger’s role, their target, and their role will be revealed to all. If the Ranger did not target a living player, the Ranger’s role isn’t revealed. The Ranger is affected by strong disguises.
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:23
@Event Host i would like to pay my tax of 12 coins for today and see my balance
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i assume we'll be informed when the new party is elected and the laws come in place
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@Event Host i would like to pay my tax of 12 coins for today and see my balance
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:26
ghost_thumbsup
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balance: 141
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:26
nice nice
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!baltop
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i assume we'll be informed when the new party is elected and the laws come in place
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:28
Yes you will be
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:39
@Event Host for my task today, when you make a role list can you fix rng components without telling the players about it
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for example
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im planning to add a psychopath
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but i want a specific role to always be a target for the psychopath
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:39
for any pre-game randomization we usually say its "arbitrary" not "random"
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:39
does this HAVE to be announced?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:40
so things like psychopath list are always created by whatever method hosts wish
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this can be random or hand-picked
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:40
okay
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actually
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the question was more like
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"I will hand pick the list, but do I have to tell players what was hand-picked?"
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:43
You don't have to tell anyone anything about what method was used for assassin
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:44
Well this is my list for today: 16 players: 9 town 2x exorcist 1x herald 1x witch 1x executioner 1x crowd seeker 3x cit 4 horse: All start as Horse, but the roles gained will be exactly: death, famine, pestilence, war 1 chef 1 angel 1 psychopath Balancing:
  • 4 horses in a 4 player game are quite strong, so town gets some strong roles as well, with the exception that they don't gain a lot of TI
  • Exorcists: 2 of them are needed in my opinion to prevent the game from ending too fast, the dooms can spread really fast with 4 horses.
  • Witch / Exec: Town has very limited/ conditional killing power, they should at least find and hang 2 horses
  • Herald, Crowd Seeker: - heralds are imo very strong in a horse game, since famine can render pretty much any other TI close to useless. Crowd seeker is also a TI that isn't easily countered by horses, but they also need good reads to get info so it's self-balancing in a way.
  • Exec / Angel: - good old exec counter to prevent town from instantly getting TT
  • Chef: Possible kingmaker with additional killing power
  • Psychopath: Neutral player. To prevent a double Kingmaker situation tilting the power balance, one of the psychopath's targets will be the chef, though the players will not know this. Additionally, 2 of the psychopath's target will be horses, picked at random.
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 17:45
Excellent work! ghost_smile
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Excellent work! ghost_smile
Apple Seller 23-9-2024 17:50
Only the best for the company 🫡
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 18:10
how do i random between 3 specific players
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@Host
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Werewolf Street Journal 23-9-2024 18:11
$random whitelist emote emote emote
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 23-9-2024 18:13
⏺️ Randomizing out of: wasted, 🔮, 👁
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▶️ Selected @Lounging Longshoreman (🔮) (edited)
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 18:17
@Event Host i would like to apply for standard insurance
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WWR HR Creative Manager 23-9-2024 18:29
👍
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 19:41
If one of the last 2 jurors dies at night do we lose that check as well @Host
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If one of the last 2 jurors dies at night do we lose that check as well @Host
Werewolf Street Journal 23-9-2024 19:42
no, because investigative actions always happen before kills.
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 19:42
Okay
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Thank you
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Werewolf Street Journal 23-9-2024 19:42
which is why you were able to check last night even though fish died and he was the only one voting
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 22:56
@Event Host Do I receive any benefits
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For being level 5
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Maybe some tax cutoffs?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 22:57
Yes, the maximum possible salary for your position!
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 22:59
I feel like I've done enough work for some extras :(
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 23:02
Try a different position ghost_slight_smile
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We cannot pay more for this position
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 23:16
What happens if I apply for a position tomorrow after I pay my taxes (edited)
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also can i apply for a promotion during night phase
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also in the current economy, what would the starting pay for the CEO be
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 23:28
also I would like to know my balance
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What happens if I apply for a position tomorrow after I pay my taxes (edited)
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 23:41
if you apply for a position with higher pay you have to pay some additional tax
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but the part you paid would still count
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also can i apply for a promotion during night phase
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 23:41
no
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also in the current economy, what would the starting pay for the CEO be
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 23:42
probably something like 60 coins
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 23:44
hmmm
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guess i'll send an application tomorrow
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a BANGING application
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 23-9-2024 23:52
@Apple Seller You have been infected with Anxiety Disorder. Unfortunately this is not covered by your health insurance. You may buy the necessary medcine for 60 coins or you will be unable to work.
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Apple Seller 23-9-2024 23:53
will pay
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 00:03
ghost_thumbsup
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 00:22
@Event Host have i already paid the big boy insurance, can i cancel now?
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 00:32
What do you mean?
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 00:32
like
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i applied for mid-tier insurance today
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have i already paid the first batch and if not can i still cancel
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 00:58
You have paid for it already
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 01:03
okay
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 10:04
@Event Host Can i ask for a list of all dead people
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 10:52
@Host if i yapped a bit too much but the person in the cc didnt see the messages yet]
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can i edit to nothingburgers
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Werewolf Street Journal 24-9-2024 10:53
No
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 10:53
cool
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im stupid
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Werewolf Street Journal 24-9-2024 10:53
If you do delete content that is relevant to the game hosts will resend it :)
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 10:53
i know
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no 5 second rule 🥺
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 11:59
ping
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Werewolves Broadcasting Company 24-9-2024 13:35
pong
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@Event Host Can i ask for a list of all dead people
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 13:51
Welcome back to work! Lucky your anxiety got instantly cured! Today's task is to design a 14 player role list! But go crazy! I want to see at least 1 deleted role! (There are a few listed on our website https://werewolves.me/) Now for this question, we cannot give you information about deceased employees because of our privacy policy.
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Welcome back to work! Lucky your anxiety got instantly cured! Today's task is to design a 14 player role list! But go crazy! I want to see at least 1 deleted role! (There are a few listed on our website https://werewolves.me/) Now for this question, we cannot give you information about deceased employees because of our privacy policy.
Apple Seller 24-9-2024 14:14
where exactly can i find the removed roles?
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 14:17
Apparently it's a sublink that's not available on the normal website
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WWR is a discord variant of the social deduction game Werewolf/Mafia, with regular games & both classic and unique roles.
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Scroll down to the Archive section
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 14:23
o thank you
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 14:38
wait when was trickster wolf removed
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didnt we have a game with it this season
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wait when was trickster wolf removed
Werewolf Street Journal 24-9-2024 14:47
it was removed for s11
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you're probably thinking of corrupt wolf
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 14:48
i am yes
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 24-9-2024 15:31
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Aura Teller [Townsfolk Investigative]
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Each night, the Aura Teller may check a target to determine if they are “a threat” or “not a threat”.
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The Aura Teller cannot see a player’s role, but they can check whether or not they are a threat. Lycans, and roles classified as killing roles show up as a threat. The Aura Teller’s inspection is an immediate ability. Some roles or players may be able to kill, but will not show up as threats as they are neither lycans nor a role classified as a killing role. The Aura Teller is affected by strong disguises and redirections.
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Sneaking Wolf [Werewolf Miscellaneous]
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The Sneaking Wolf will appear as a citizen to most investigative roles.
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The Sneaking Wolf is strongly disguised as citizen and will appear as citizen to most roles and powers inspecting them. If the Sneaking Wolf loses their role, they no longer appear as citizen.
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 15:37
Town (x7 / 50%): 1x Cit 1x Coroner 1x Huntress 1x Journalist 1x Aura Teller 1x Fortune Apprentice 1x Herald Wolves (x4 / ~30%): 1x Sneaking Wolf 1x Wolf 1x Psychic Wolf 1x Recluse Solo (x2 10% rounded up): 1x Flute Apprentice 1x Flute Player UA (x1 10% rounded down): 1x Bear Balancing:
  • Game based around Bear: IMO pretty strong role so I made sure to added limited visiting roles in every team
  • Flute gang: Small game so I added a faction that 1. visits and 2. can't snowball the game way too fast
  • Aura Teller: TI that cannot find the Bear, Flute or Recluse
  • Sneaking Wolf / Cit - non-visiting roles that keep eachother in check
  • Coroner - acts as a possible counter to bear
  • Herald - exists to find flutes
  • Huntress - killing role for town
  • TI - Town has a lot of investigative roles, but that's countered by Bear and the fact 2 of them can only find 2 of the wolves. Wolves also get an investigative role to give the Bear more options
  • Town roles look a bit strong for a small game, but they have no way to confirm anyone, other than trusting the Journalist.
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 15:52
Well, to be fair, a lot of these Town roles can easily be claimed and also confirmed.
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I feel like town is a bit strong in the list
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But of course that's countered by bear
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Maybe a bit less unique town roles and some more duplicates for added difficulty?
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 15:52
i mean i dont think they're easy to confirm, just hard to fake claim
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 15:53
Everything is fakeclaimable
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 15:53
but even then at most you're left with
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uncheckable 50-50s
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if scum manage their claims well (edited)
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i also had 2x cit no fortune apprentice
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 15:54
I feel like that's a bit more managable for town
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 15:54
also had a version with
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sabo wolf instead of psychic
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to stop town from getting reporter
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but that leaves wolves pretty vulnerable to flute
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need me to formally change the answer? @WWR HR Creative Manager
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 15:56
Yes please
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 15:57
Town (x7 / 50%): 2x Cit 1x Coroner 1x Huntress 1x Journalist 1x Aura Teller 1x Herald Wolves (x4 / ~30%): 1x Sneaking Wolf 1x Wolf 1x Psychic Wolf 1x Recluse Solo (x2 10% rounded up): 1x Flute Apprentice 1x Flute Player UA (x1 10% rounded down): 1x Bear Balancing:
  • Game based around Bear: IMO pretty strong role so I made sure to added limited visiting roles in every team
  • Flute gang: Small game so I added a faction that 1. visits and 2. can't snowball the game way too fast
  • Aura Teller: TI that cannot find the Bear, Flute or Recluse
  • Sneaking Wolf / Cit - non-visiting roles that keep eachother in check
  • Coroner - acts as a possible counter to bear
  • Herald - exists to find flutes
  • Huntress - killing role for town
  • TI - Town has a lot of investigative roles, but that's countered by Bear and the fact 2 of them can only find 2 of the wolves. Wolves also get an investigative role to give the Bear more options
  • Town roles look a bit strong for a small game, but they have no way to confirm anyone, other than trusting the Journalist.
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removed apprentice, added extra cit
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didnt add sabo, i still think this list doesnt let town confirm anyone early
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so there is the chance for scum to get repo
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 15:57
All right, thank you!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 16:54
I assume housing has an impact on what diseases you can catch
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Is this public info you can give me?
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I assume housing has an impact on what diseases you can catch
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 16:58
It does not, it does however have effect on your health directly
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:01
What effect
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 17:15
Depends on the housing
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Or lack thereof
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Depends on the housing
Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:21
Is there a list of effects and can I see it
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 17:31
A better house keeps your healthy
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Being homeless, of course, makes you more sick
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:32
May I know my balance and what my health is
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 17:32
Your balance is 101 TokenCub and your're in a very condition!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:32
right taxes (edited)
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Are CEOs forced to live in a mansion?
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 17:35
You can't be living in a normal house when you're running such a business!
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You have a certain image to uphold!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:35
What if I want my image to be relateable to my compatriots
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It's tough economic times, nobody would be happy to see a CEO flaunting money
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 17:36
That's not true! The wealth of the CEO reflects the wealth of the company!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:46
By the way, you said if i get a promotion the taxes i pay today need to be for the new position not my current one
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But the salary I received today was that of a role list dev
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wouldnt it make more sense to get taxed as one?
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regardless if promoted
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 17:56
also are we guaranteed to get the premium insurance tier illnesses every night right now? @Event Host
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By the way, you said if i get a promotion the taxes i pay today need to be for the new position not my current one
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:24
You're not in a new position?
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also are we guaranteed to get the premium insurance tier illnesses every night right now? @Event Host
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:24
Illness isn't a guarantee, it's influenced by previous sicknesses and your housing situation
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You're not in a new position?
Apple Seller 24-9-2024 18:25
if i were to be in one
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:25
I'm confused what you're trying to ask
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if you apply for a position with higher pay you have to pay some additional tax
Apple Seller 24-9-2024 18:26
^
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This would imply that if I get a new position with higher pay, I will have to pay those taxes today
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whereas the salary i received today is that of a role list dev
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not of the hypothetical new position
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This would imply that if I get a new position with higher pay, I will have to pay those taxes today
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:27
That's correct (edited)
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whereas the salary i received today is that of a role list dev
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:27
Also correct
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not of the hypothetical new position
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:27
Also correct
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 18:27
But it should be my income that's taxed, and my future income, no?
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And my income today falls within the 30% tax bracket
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But it should be my income that's taxed, and my future income, no?
WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:28
You seem to assume that capitalism works in your favor
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 18:34
Truly tough times out there (edited)
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 18:43
Dear HR department, I am writing this email with the intention to apply for the post of CEO. My experience consists of:
  • theoretical background at university level
  • work experience as a junior gm
  • work experience as a role list dev
  • 3 different trainings done by Senior GMs (handling of players, wwr rulebook training, balancing)
  • constructive seminars on balancing and role list building with HR members
  • successful hosting of 15 mid-large scale tournaments My achievements at this company include:
  • identifying and preventing corrupt seniors from getting away with abuse of power
  • several pay raises that make me the only level 5 employee
  • a promotion straight to the highest level
  • successful completion of 4 different junior gm tasks, as well as 4 different role list dev tasks, some of which even uncovered previously unconsidered edge case interactions between roles
  • overtime work in the form of doing tasks for 2 different positions within the same day
  • monetary savings as well as perfect health at times where the population is overrun by debt and epidemics Through my experience and achievements I believe to showcase all of the necessary skills a CEO would need to run such an important company! My loyalty can be seen through my constant and high quality work, as well as my seriousness in dealing with corrupt staff or my cooperation with other company departments. My managerial abilities are evident through my experience of leading large staff teams for my tournaments. My ability to efficiently handle money can be seen through my good material situation despite these tough times. Most importantly, my capitalistic and free spirit is showcased through my constant and rapid evolution at this company. As someone who started from being homeless and then proceeded to climb the corporate ladder through an excellent work ethic and informed economic decisions, I believe I would be the perfect CEO to represent this company! (1/2)
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I hope you will carefully consider this application and would like to thank you in advance for the swift response! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller (2/2) @Event Host
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Dear HR department, I am writing this email with the intention to apply for the post of CEO. My experience consists of:
  • theoretical background at university level
  • work experience as a junior gm
  • work experience as a role list dev
  • 3 different trainings done by Senior GMs (handling of players, wwr rulebook training, balancing)
  • constructive seminars on balancing and role list building with HR members
  • successful hosting of 15 mid-large scale tournaments My achievements at this company include:
  • identifying and preventing corrupt seniors from getting away with abuse of power
  • several pay raises that make me the only level 5 employee
  • a promotion straight to the highest level
  • successful completion of 4 different junior gm tasks, as well as 4 different role list dev tasks, some of which even uncovered previously unconsidered edge case interactions between roles
  • overtime work in the form of doing tasks for 2 different positions within the same day
  • monetary savings as well as perfect health at times where the population is overrun by debt and epidemics Through my experience and achievements I believe to showcase all of the necessary skills a CEO would need to run such an important company! My loyalty can be seen through my constant and high quality work, as well as my seriousness in dealing with corrupt staff or my cooperation with other company departments. My managerial abilities are evident through my experience of leading large staff teams for my tournaments. My ability to efficiently handle money can be seen through my good material situation despite these tough times. Most importantly, my capitalistic and free spirit is showcased through my constant and rapid evolution at this company. As someone who started from being homeless and then proceeded to climb the corporate ladder through an excellent work ethic and informed economic decisions, I believe I would be the perfect CEO to represent this company! (1/2)
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 18:47
Rejected.
18:48
A decent application but not better than our current CEO
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 20:25
Dear HR department, I am writing this email with the intention to apply for the post of HR Generalist. My experience consists of:
  • theoretical background at university level
  • work experience as a junior gm
  • work experience as a role list dev
  • 3 different trainings done by Senior GMs (handling of players, WWR rulebook training, balancing)
  • constructive seminars on balancing and role list building with HR members
  • successful hosting of 15 mid-large scale tournaments My achievements at this company include:
  • identifying and preventing corrupt seniors from getting away with abuse of power
  • several pay raises that make me the only level 5 employee
  • a promotion straight to the highest level
  • successful completion of 4 different junior gm tasks, as well as 4 different role list dev tasks, some of which even uncovered previously unconsidered edge case interactions between roles
  • overtime work in the form of doing tasks for 2 different positions within the same day
  • monetary savings as well as perfect health at times where the population is overrun by debt and epidemics Through my experience and achievements I believe to showcase all of the necessary skills an HR Generalist would need to run such an important company! I have displayed cooperation with various departments such as the treasury or the archive and very am in close working relations with other workers such as the Senior GM. I have also shown the ability to filter corrupt staff and take action where necessary. I have additional vast experience in dealing with staff recruitment and management through my extracurricular tournament activity. Lastly, my good health makes a good spokesperson for our company's image, as I will often be the one to work with potential new talent. The remainder of my achievements act as a testament to my loyalty, ability to adapt in multiple positions and overall soft and social skills! (1/2)
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I hope you will carefully consider this application and would like to thank you in advance for the swift response! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller (2/2) @Event Host
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I hope you will carefully consider this application and would like to thank you in advance for the swift response! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller (2/2) @Event Host
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 20:29
This is a worryingly good application, but slightly worse than the person who currently has the position! Rejected! (edited)
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 20:29
What does worryingly good even mean
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 20:30
it worries me
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by usual terms it was a good application
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 21:14
Dear HR department, I would like to recommend the current Sr. Game Master, Gold Hoarder, in the event he were to apply for a salary raise. While I understand the need for consequences for his plagiarism, I personally believe that this action had no malicious intent, and above all that he is an excellent asset to the company regardless oh this incident. During my days as a Jr. GM he was always putting in considerable effort into training me and even nowadays he is still as helpful and committed as ever! Best Regards Alex the Apple Seller @Event Host
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 21:15
We only judge based on applications, not on recommendations
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 21:15
I would also like to pay 18 coins in taxes and call for a meeting with the treasurer and the CEO
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WWR HR Creative Manager 24-9-2024 21:15
👍
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 21:15
regarding benefits
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 24-9-2024 21:17
✅ Created #benefits-meeting!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:12
@Event Host i would like to switch to premium insurance
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:24
ghost_thumbsup
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:38
@Apple Seller You have been caught for TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD TAX FRAUD You did not pay your taxes during Day 1 You are fined the following amount: Three times todays tax. Your total fine is: 54 Please pay at you earliest convenience.
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:39
😔 i did not see the announcement day 1
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its why i was homeless too 😔
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:39
It was the second game's day 1 ghost_slight_smile
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:39
yeah i had completely missed it until i saw people talk about houses
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:40
Ah!
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:40
I wish to know the consequences of delaying the fine payment (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:40
You will probably be fined more as soon as the government notices!
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There's never a guarantee they'll notice, took a few days this time after all (edited)
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yeah i had completely missed it until i saw people talk about houses
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:41
Should've paid the tax late ghost_slight_smile
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:41
i would like to know my balance
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:41
Current balance: 83
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You may go into debt if you wish
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:42
Is there a chance i won't get any disease
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:43
The mechanics of sicknesses haven't changed since the start of the game
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so the amount of sicknesses hasn't actually increased
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I will be determining who gets sick shortly
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:44
pretty sure i got one daily
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uhhh
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will cancel all insurance
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:44
ghost_thumbsup
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:44
is there a time limit
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to pay the fine
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legally
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normally you'd get a 3-days notice right
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or something
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:45
probably
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Is there a chance i won't get any disease
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 24-9-2024 23:53
@Apple Seller Sickness - Cancer - 100 Coins Required You have been infected with Cancer. Unfortunately this is not covered by your health insurance (it would've been covered by premium insurance!). You may buy the necessary medicine for 100 coins or you will be unable to work. Alternatively you may ignore this message entirely as I am infact lying.
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Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:53
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
probably
Apple Seller 24-9-2024 23:56
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WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:14
@Apple Seller do you like money?
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:15
of course
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Apple Seller
of course
WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:17
I have a lucrative investment opportunity for you 100% guaranteed no risk investment No fees and no charges I take an amount of your tokens and then reinvestment with a guarantee of doubling your money within 2 phases
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead)
probably
Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:19
So is there a time limit or am i already too late to pay legally
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WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:21
@Apple Seller do you wish to invest
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Apple Seller
So is there a time limit or am i already too late to pay legally
WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 25-9-2024 00:21
[Automated Reply: We cannot process your request outside of business hours]
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:28
Yes give me a second im doing subtractions with 3-digit numbers
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WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:28
I see
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:30
2 phases counts day and night separately?
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@WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist
00:30
so next night phase?
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WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:30
Yeah
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:33
okay im investing 80 tokens @WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist
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WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 00:34
Pleasure doing business with you
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@Event Host
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 00:34
Also will donate 1 token to the charity if possible
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Apple Seller
Also will donate 1 token to the charity if possible
WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 12:06
You know the drill! Create a role list! Now create 2 of them! Create 2 12-player role lists that look very similar, but have something unique of their own. Like a synergy! Would you also still like to donate?
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WWR HR Creative Manager
You know the drill! Create a role list! Now create 2 of them! Create 2 12-player role lists that look very similar, but have something unique of their own. Like a synergy! Would you also still like to donate?
Apple Seller 25-9-2024 12:07
what is my balance
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WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 12:07
Your current balance is 123 TokenCub
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WWR HR Creative Manager
Your current balance is 123 TokenCub
Apple Seller 25-9-2024 12:11
didnt i invest money O.o
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WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 12:12
I'm not responsible for any errors in our system provided by @WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist's business.
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I can verify again later, should something have happened that we were unaware of.
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 12:13
for now i will pay 18 in taxes and donate 1 to the charity
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 25-9-2024 12:24
✅ Created #duckduckduck!
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Apple Seller
didnt i invest money O.o
WWR Inc's Freelance Lobbyist 25-9-2024 12:29
There might be slight delays in accounts so the bank can verify your transaction
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Apple Seller
for now i will pay 18 in taxes and donate 1 to the charity
WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 12:55
You current balance is 43 TokenCub, would you still like to go through with your taxes and donations?
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 12:56
yes
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WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 12:56
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 17:08
@WWR HR Creative Manager for a 12 player game, is a list without a solo faction fine? I have an idea involving unaligneds
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o sorry for direct ping
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@WWR HR Creative Manager for a 12 player game, is a list without a solo faction fine? I have an idea involving unaligneds
WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 17:31
Yeah, it's possible
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 17:32
okay, i will start cooking
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:duckchef:
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 19:07
Town (6x) 2x Cit 1x Herald 1x Journalist 1x Huntress 1x Assistant Wolf (3x) 1x Pack Tanner 1x Sneaking Wolf 1x Wolf Cub Dog 1x Cat 1x Angel 1x 1 time locked as ft/warlock, 1 time locked as rivals - Dog and cat are either forced into a faction, or may choose to side with one and change along the way Balancing:
  • Very small game, so only Huntress as a killing role with Wolf Cub in the mix as a counter
  • 2 investigative roles (outside Herald) so wolves get a Pack Tanner to counter it. Town gets an Assistant with very limited power here
  • Good old Cit / Sneaking Wolf as a further counter to the incredibly strong FT.
  • Journalist to give town the slightest TT possibility
  • Angel as a neutral role
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19:07
For some reason I find this harder to balance than the 32 player role list
19:08
if i replace angel with another another wolf, wolves can gain vote majority way too fast
19:08
but only 3 wolves means town cannot have any strong roles
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WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 19:09
I like this list!
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Apple Seller 25-9-2024 19:09
Am glad :D
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WWR HR Creative Manager 25-9-2024 19:09
It looks pretty well balanced in my opinion!
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Great work!
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Take the rest of the day off
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 00:01
@Host you added me to mayor chat
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not repo
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i didnt read any of the messages
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Apple Seller BOT 26-9-2024 00:02
url
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 26-9-2024 00:02
This url is not available. aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4uZGlzY29yZGFwcC5jb20vYXR0YWNobWVudHMvODY2Nzc2Njc1MDEzNDkyODI3LzEyODg2MjE2NzA3NzIyNDQ1NDEvaW1hZ2UucG5nP2V4PTY2ZjVkOWYzJmlzPTY2ZjQ4ODczJmhtPWIwYTQyMmQ0ZmFhMzUwMjdlMjQ3ZmI0NjI0YTM4NGJkZjYwODFhZGIxYjYwYjhlYzE3ZmFkZmJkNTIyMWQ0ZDMm
yes 2
no 1
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Werewolf Street Journal 26-9-2024 00:02
ive manually removed the mayor role for now
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ghost is handling this phase change so he should correct it
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 00:03
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Werewolves Broadcasting Company 26-9-2024 00:03
My bad
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This is my fault for copy pasting commands .,.
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I'm super sorry for that
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 00:05
no problem lol
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 11:58
Welcome back to work! Can you make us an insane role list? However many player you want, but don't add a Townsfolk team! @Apple Seller
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 11:59
oh hell yeah
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also i would like to pay my tax evasion fine
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and could i know my balance after it
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 12:00
You've done your taxes yesterday, haven't you?
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Yeah! No worries for you!
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Did you mean you want to pay your taxes instead?
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 12:01
I would like to check my balance
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 12:01
Your current balance is 64 coins!
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 12:02
I will pay 18 coins in taxes and subscribe for premium insurance
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 12:02
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 26-9-2024 12:04
✅ Created #quack!
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 13:03
@Event Host hello how much of a raise did i receive for me generous donation
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 13:06
You've received a raise of 0.1 coins! You now earn 60.1 coins per day!
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 13:07
let's go!
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 15:49
is 20 player all any without towns a copout answer
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@Event Host
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 26-9-2024 15:52
what
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 15:52
for my task today
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20 players with completely random roles, no restrictions
15:52
but can't be town
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 26-9-2024 15:53
yeah that doesn't count
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 15:53
aight
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 16:21
I present to you
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Werewolf Traitor:
  • White Werewolf 2x (act as a team, one gets the most common role, the other gets the least common non-alpha wolf role, can kill one pack every night)
  • Wolf 3x
  • Alpha Wolf 1x
  • Scared Wolf 1x
  • Saboteur Wolf 1x
  • Random WW Misc 5x
Idea/Balancing:
  • Pack roles are not known in the pack
  • White Werewolves act as a team to get rid of all other wolves
  • 5 randoms to allow white wolves claim leeway
  • Wolf strategy would be to get Saboteur Wolf confirmed (though it takes at least one night and you lose the vote that day and Saboteur Wolf cannot be saved), collect claims, and slowly get rid of all wolves of the same claim, then probably make the claims public.
  • A lot more social deduction involved rather than relying on role abilties
  • Alpha Wolf can't come out too early because they'll immediately die
  • White Werewolf disguise rules are public so doing math with the claims allows you to make a guess where the fake claims are
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16:22
you said it needs to be insane not balanced but i still tried to make it winnable for both sides
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problem with no town is that many of the wolves know each other since the start AND most other factions don't have investigative roles
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i could have gone the route of like
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cramming wolves and a bunch of solo factions into the same game (edited)
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but that's just one step removed from all any imo
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in terms of chaos
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but instead i remembered white werewolf existed and wanted to do something with it (edited)
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 26-9-2024 16:25
Yes, this does seem like a decent list! I find it difficult to say if it would be balanced at all, but that wasn't the goal anyway. It doesn't seem all that insane, but I suppose it is acceptable
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 16:25
i also had something in mind
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like
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a bunch of cubs and a bunch of scared wolves
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and one white werewolf disguised as scared wolf
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where killing one cub triggers a cascade until you find the true evil or everyone else is dead
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 26-9-2024 16:38
All of those are still reasonable sane
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Here's (probably) our most insane list we've ever had: TownsfolkCard Townsfolk (1) LastLivingCitizen Last Living Citizen WolfCard Werewolves (1) WerewolfPlaceholder Last Living Wolf HellCard Hell Team (1) Devil Devil Rodent Plague Team (1) PlagueBearer Plague Bearer PyroCard Pyro Team (1) Pyromancer Running Pyromancer Running FluteTeam Flue Team (1) FlutePlayer Acrobatic Flute Player Acrobatic UnderworldCard Underworld Team (1) Vampire Cubbish Vampire Cubbish WhiteWolvesCard White Wolves (1) ScaredWhiteWerewolf Scared White Werewolf CovenCard Coven Team (1) BitterHag Faithful Bitter Hag Loyal Horsemen Horsemen Team (1) Horseman Horseman of Pestilence & Death NightmareTeam Nightmare Team (1) Reaper Reaper GraveyardTeam Graveyard Team (1) Zombie Lurking Zombie Lurking Cryptographer Cryptographer Team (1) CryptographerCryptographer UnalignedPlaceholder Unaligned (16) Thief Thief x2 Thief Musical Thief Musical Thief Prankster Thief Prankster Thief Childish Thief Childish Cupid Cupid Cupid Lovestruck Cupid Lovestruck LookAlike Look-Alike LookAlike Copycatting Look-Alike Copycat Apprentice Smart Apprentice Smart Apprentice Copycatting Apprentice Copycat Burglar Burglar Burglar Lovestruck Burglar Lovestruck UnalignedPlaceholder Smart Rival Smart UnalignedPlaceholder Childish Rival Childish Chef Faithful Chef Loyal
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 16:40
im sorry i had no idea what i was working with
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i thought it would need to be insane but playable
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horseman of pestilence & death
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i just wanna know
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was this hosted fully by hand
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surely you didnt programm functionality for all these one-off looking roles into the bot
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cramming wolves and a bunch of solo factions into the same game (edited)
Apple Seller 26-9-2024 16:42
so you would have wanted to see something like ths
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WWR HR Generalist (Dead) 26-9-2024 16:44
I mean we still host fully by hand, so yes it was hosted fully by hand
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almost none of those roles are one-offs, but they have modifiers which act as a second role that does not affect alignment
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https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1176626957337763860/1177301047753064588 you can find the absolutely insane gamelog for that game here ghost_slight_smile
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Apple Seller 26-9-2024 16:51
holy fuck
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i clicked that and was greeted by an essay for N1
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WWR HR Creative Manager 26-9-2024 17:01
It's a bit of custom that everyone once in a while, Ts and I go crazy with designing the most cursed offseason
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The main component being the Thief role
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