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Pyromancer

Pyros

Pyromancer

You are part of the Pyro team. You win when all remaining alive players are part of the Pyro team or Unaligned.

hey sarv!!

07:23

welcome to the flames

HI

10:10

Firebug

Firebug [Solo Killing - Pyro Team]

Limited Role

Basics

Each night, the Firebug may ward one player.

Details

When the Firebug wards a player, that player is protected from attacks for the night. Should anyone other than a member of the pyro team try to attack the warded player, the attack backfires, igniting the attacker as well as all powdered players. This is considered an attack executed by the Firebug. If the warded player is not attacked for the entire night, they are powdered at the end of the night. Warding is an immediate ability. The Firebug is a member of the pyro team and channel. The pyro team wins when all other players are dead or unaligned. When the last original Pyromancer dies, the Firebug turns into a Pyromancer.

I protect you tonight I guess?

18:51

Hmm, or should I just randomly ward other players. For powdering sake?

18:51

Hmm…. Prolly actually.

18:52

Yeah, nm. I’ll ward a random person tonight. Protecting ourselves doesn’t hurry up the powdering.

So hear me out. If sharl gets monarch. I protect him and you powder someone. There is a slight chance wolves attack sharl unless he wolf too. Could kill a wolf tonight if sharl due to my ward?

19:05

And also we might be able to kill the person you powder.

19:06

@Host Silly question #2. If pyro powders someone, and I ward someone. Warded player is attacked. Does the person pyro powdered that night also die? Or is the powdering after the warding?

they will die

Tight

warding does not block attacks from pyro team

19:07

but it blocks everything else

No yeah, I know that, just that if sarv pows someone, that person would die if warded players is also attacked.

19:08

In the same night.

Correct

Okay so, point stands, I’ll ward whoever gets monarch.

Nullarcanist

Hmm, or should I just randomly ward other players. For powdering sake?

I think that makes more sense, plus if they are attacked it makes the attacker think they have allies, potentially throwing them off us being a team?

So you think, don’t ward the monarch?

@Host if I use the ignite ability, and the person firebug protects doesn't get attacked, since they're both end of night triggers, would the person powdered via the protect be attacked by me?

yeah it happens at the same time

19:17

so they would be attacked i suppose

So we could also do a kill tonight.

19:18

But honestly, I think pow and ward to get 2 powdered would be better.

19:18

More deaths in future rounds.

19:18

But tomorrow night we could do a pow/ignite.

19:18

3 kills.

19:18

So long as one of us don’t die.

If the person elected isnt a werewolf, they're guaranteed to be attacked tonight. If we powder someone else and they die from my ignite, we confirm as much (since the team is focused on the monarch and people who voted for them) but if your ability powders the attacker and actually protects, we know that the monarch is werewolf (since the wolves aren't focused on attacking monarch)

True, but also, if monarch is town and they get attacked, then we kill a wolf instead. And in that case, we still get info cuz the wolf died instead of monarch, meaning sharl is either town or UA

19:27

cuz the attacker of the warded player dies.

19:28

But yeah, I honestly don’t mind either way.

Nullarcanist

True, but also, if monarch is town and they get attacked, then we kill a wolf instead. And in that case, we still get info cuz the wolf died instead of monarch, meaning sharl is either town or UA

So we do ward and into ignite, warding the monarch hoping to kill the attacker then? And if they don't get attacked, we waste an ignite but we know for a fact that the monarch is wolf? That sounds like a good plan

Riding Hood [Unaligned Miscellaneous]

Basics

The Riding Hood wins when they are killed by a wolfish player.

Details

When the Riding Hood wins, the Riding Hood ascends and stops playing. The game continues. The Riding Hood will win if they are killed by a wolfish player. If the Riding Hood is killed in another way, they lose. If the Riding Hood is protected they neither die nor ascend. When the Riding Hood is killed by the wolfpack, the wolfpack may not attack anyone the following night. When the Riding Hood ascends, the wolfish player responsible will be ability blocked the for following day and night. If no wolfish players remain, the Riding Hood stops playing, descends and loses. The Riding Hood is nonaligned.

i dont think we waste an ignite. you would still powder someone. and if the warded person is attacked then the powdered and the attacker of the warded person dies

19:35

and if the warded person isnt attacked then hey, we have 2 powdered people

Do you get confirmation if your ward worked?

either way, i think we get info

19:36

uhh.... well, we would know due to the ignite deaths, but... uhhh

Firebug [Solo Killing - Pyro Team]

Limited Role

Basics

Each night, the Firebug may ward one player.

Details

When the Firebug wards a player, that player is protected from attacks for the night. Should anyone other than a member of the pyro team try to attack the warded player, the attack backfires, igniting the attacker as well as all powdered players. This is considered an attack executed by the Firebug. If the warded player is not attacked for the entire night, they are powdered at the end of the night. Warding is an immediate ability. The Firebug is a member of the pyro team and channel. The pyro team wins when all other players are dead or unaligned. When the last original Pyromancer dies, the Firebug turns into a Pyromancer.

@Host am i told if the ward was used?

19:37

to protect

19:37

against attack

itd probably depend on the host tbh, should write it down in the desc (edited)

Nullarcanist

uhh.... well, we would know due to the ignite deaths, but... uhhh

Well they only die from ignite if they're powdered

either way you can tell

19:38

id say yes

19:38

but maybe ts disagrees

i think it should be known, cuz if it isnt then we might not know our powdered numbers

OH WAIT

cuz like, attack vs not attack against ward = powder / no powder

The attacker is ignited not powdered, so me igniting would do nothing

exactly

So yeah I think we ward monarch and I powder someone else

but everyone that is powdered ignites if the warded is attacked

19:41

so you wouldnt ignite, you would just powder

19:41

and if the ward is hit then the attacker and the person you powder ignites

19:41

2 kills for us if we ward the right person

Nullarcanist

and if the ward is hit then the attacker and the person you powder ignites

It wouldn't do anything since the attacker isn't powdered, ignite only kills if the person ignited is powdered

19:42

So it would only kill the one I powdered

19:43

Wait actually lemme check

no, the attacker dies instead and it ignites all powdered players

@Host if the person ignited by attacking whoever firebug Watford isn't powdered, do they still die?

19:43

*warded

well they get attacked, which often but not always results in death

Ohhhh

19:44

Ok thanks

19:44

My mistake

19:44

I thought ignited only like hurt powdered people

19:45

Wait does everyone else know the people who died were killed via ignite? Like will storytime say "x and x were burned alive"?

ya know, i honestly dont think the monarch would be attacked tonight. points to that. A- if its town, wolves will prolly think that it would cast suss on them for not killing them B- firebug is in the game and it is an obvious pick for a ward. C- if town gets monarch, its sort of early for monarch to be effective, their interests will be more on powerful town roles

Wait maybe we don't protect monarch? Like we get the same information - it they die it's cause they were town if not they're wolf. so maybe we ward someone else with the intention of just powdering them, setting up more potential kills?

so i may due to that logic, just jump bcak to random ward.

19:47

yeah, i think we came to the same conclusion at the same time lol

yeah

19:47

Ok so random ward, powder monarch?

same brain cell

Or random ward random powder?

i wouldnt even powder monarch. cuz like, i doubt a strong role would want to be monarch

That makes a lot of sense actually

19:49

Ok glad we're on the same page after wierd miscommunications lmao

19:49

(mostly me misunderstanding how the rules work?

19:49

I refuse to read

same, reading is for punks

19:53

im way better at skimming and missing all details

I'm bad at this convincing thing ngl

20:03

I'm gonna powder technomage

Celestial Custodian

id say yes

i agree, its a conditional attack (ignite = attacks) which works same way as priest - you are informed of the attack's success/failure and if it doesnt even occur you'd know too

Tech Supervisor

i agree, its a conditional attack (ignite = attacks) which works same way as priest - you are informed of the attack's success/failure and if it doesnt even occur you'd know too

so id be informed if they are powdered as a result of the ward?

yes

sick

20:40

thanks

@Nullarcanist I'm gonna powder techno, if they end up talking too much shit we can pull them into a cc and tell them we'll pull the trigger if they don't stop. Or we just kill them and say someone is framing us cause no one would be stupid enough to kill the one person casting doubt on them

is techno ddd?

Alive Players | Total: 18

- sharleclaire (@Plague Serenader)

- im_dumm0 (@Nebula Soothsayer)

- gh0st_5had0w (@Ghostly Wolf) thight

thight

- swurtle (@Spiritualistic Turtle) ❤️‍

- sarvak2 (@Arcane Druid)

- nick262008 (@Harmonic Guardian)

- alphaviki (@Penumbral Defender) ▪️ - e_thsn (@Curse Caster)

- dutchwaffles (@Venomous Dirgebearer)

- ddd8000 (@Technomage Lycanomancer)

- relaxedmato (@Relaxed Villager)

- jeand.arch (@Galactic Growlmaster)

- slowsuffocation (@Suffering Civilian)

- invincitank (@Lupine Tank)

- mayatsuu (@Ephemeral Nomad) babagun

babagun

- sawauh (@Luminary Herbalist)

️ - phantomtomic (@Phantom Wolf)

️ - huckhuck55 (@Nullarcanist) (edited)

yup lol

21:45

figures

21:45

let him talk shit. he just makes himself a target by trying to make someone look bad

21:45

we can keep him alive and let him talk himself into a death

21:45

or powder him

21:46

but knowing him, i wouldnt pull him aside and threaten him, thats exactly what he wants

21:46

dont fall into his trap

okay, imma roll for my ward...... no sharl or us

22:06

!random

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22:06

▶️ Selected @Phantom Wolf (

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oh, actually, no to that also, cuz they claimed cit, and thats unlikely to be attacked

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22:07

▶️ Selected @Nebula Soothsayer (

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sure

22:07

warding val i guess?

22:08

or...... counter point to that, got a cc with mato and he seems to think hes going to be attacked tonight.... so maybe him? havent really been following in town

Nullarcanist

or...... counter point to that, got a cc with mato and he seems to think hes going to be attacked tonight.... so maybe him? havent really been following in town

I already powdered techno earlier, sorry, if you think the person you ward will actually be attacked, it'll result in him being killed with the ignite as well

no no, all good

22:49

that roll was for my warding

22:50

not for your powdering

22:50

oh, right

22:50

nm, i confused myself quickly

22:50

lmao

Penny drop moment lmao

anyways, its all good

22:50

ddd has accused a lot of people

22:50

he might be rrh

22:50

which doesnt really matter for us

The good thing about being on a team is that we basically have double CCS

true!

I think phan might actually be a valuable ally, if nothing else they're a useful idiot since they've shown themselves really willing to say dumb shit to either put a target on his back or help the group out

well.... ally in the sense that, he may stir up chaos in his own way.... but i dont think we should approach anyone as pyro team.

Well yeah we shouldn't let them know we're pyro or they'll kill us since we only win with them dead

22:53

But I'm saying if one of us can convince phan we're town they'll fucking go to bat for us or just stir up enough chaos to get the target away from us and onto him

i have a cc with him

22:54

so i could see if i can get him on our side

22:54

but my cit claim is surely to raise suspicions

22:55

though.... when there is a town lead i will prolly ctc something else and say i was just messing around

That's a good idea, I think the fact that you supported him when he claimed cit so early will mean he's a bit more likely to trust you

we'll see. phan is always tricky to deal with

22:55

we have a funny at odds relationship

22:55

but yeah, if i can get him onto the party then yeah.

Yeah they feel like a wildcard, I don't have the history with players that you do but just immediately get the vibe that they'll fuck everything over for the meme

aura teller will be our main threat honestly, so getting rid of them should be a high priority. hopefully wolves deal with that

I think we shouldn't present ourselves as allies, it'll look really fucking weird that we just decided to trust eachother immediately unless we were given role information that we were on a team

agreed

22:57

which is why i kind of accused you as wolf

22:57

lightly of course through a troll remark

22:57

but still

22:57

mainly, i just want to cause some chaos if at all possible

22:57

cuz i can mask that in angel moves

Yeah I tend not to speak much, and I miss a lot in chat, so I think you baiting people is probably the best move

22:59

Yeah wolves will be scared of lynching I feel

22:59

If worst comes to worse and I genuinely am a suspect, a hail Mary is to claim angel hoping wolves will vote someone else

naw, never claim angel. that is a sure fire way to get lynched, cuz lynch wouldnt say that to get unlynched

23:05

just be super bad at defending yourself on purpose so you seem like youre okay with the lynching

Thanks

23:13

I feel like your apprentice lol

23:13

Being taken under your wing to save me from my own stupidity

lmao, im not much better, but there are a couple hints i can pass on to you oh young padawan

powdered

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Werewolves Bot B pinned a message to this channel. 05-01-2024 07:02

Hmm… I may try and bait an attack on me for tonight from wolves. Then protect myself.

08:06

Hmm… can I ward myself?

@Nullarcanist did you get confirmation on whether your ward powdered or ignited?

19:29

Wait sorry I can't read

19:29

Ignore me

lmao

19:30

hello

HI! Sorry for being afk today

19:30

Did I miss anything?

not really

19:31

been pretty dead honestly

I think it's just cause night 1 we have no information

19:33

Should I avoid replying to you all the time to not make it look like we're on a team?

naw, talking together in town doesnt raise any flags imo.... its just 2 people that are active at the same time

19:36

as long as we arent like.... the only 2 people with a strong opinion on something

It kinda feels like a waste to get someone I powdered killed, but at the same time I feel acting like I'm town gives me the best chance of not being suspected, yknow?

yeah, well.... i bet the vote will tie anyways, and noone else is a better target for the lynch.

19:38

so if it ties, we can ignite, if it doesnt then wtv.

If you ward me, and I'm not attacked and later I ignite, am I safe? Or do I get blown up?

19:39

Cause idk if that put a target on my back if they actually are wolf

you cant blow up due to any pyrotechnics

Nice, I think maybe you ward me tonight then? And I powder someone we wanna kill too?

well.... i have been saying stuff thats sort of town strong, so i was thinking of warding myself tonight, atm, just reading your messagesin town, i dont think you seem ike a threat

19:41

oh! you know what

I don't think you're protected from immolation

i have an idea.

Arcane Druid

I don't think you're protected from immolation

i am

19:41

i asked

Ignore me then lmao

lol

Aight lemme hear it

if we ignite tonight..... uhhh.... so ddd said to prove that im coyotee (cuz i claimed to him as a bait of sorts) to kill dummo. hes powdered. so.... uhhh..... if dummo dies tonight i may be able to get in with the wolves briefly as a coyotee

19:43

but also, ddd could be town trying to get a coyotee through a bait,

❗ Could not find role coyotee. Did you mean custom coyotes (aka Coyotes)?

19:44

Custom Coyotes [Werewolf Team Group]

Basics

The Coyotes are a secondary wolf group, containing (usually) one Greater Coyote. The coyotes and the wolfpack do not know each other, but have the same alignment. If the wolfpack fails to kill a townsfolk, the coyotes can attack a player in the next night, but if the Greater Coyotes dies, they lose their ability and join the wolfpack instead.

Members

Greater Coyote Lesser Coyote

19:45

Lesser Coyote [Werewolf Group]

Limited Role

Basics

The Lesser Coyote is a packless non-lycan wolf who shares a secret channel with the other coyotes: however, the coyotes do not know the identities of any other wolves.

Details

The Lesser Coyote knows the identity of the other coyotes and shares a channel with them. The Lesser Coyote is not a lycan, nor are they a member of the wolfpack. When the last original greater coyote dies, the coyotes' channel is disbanded and the Lesser Coyote joins the wolfpack.

Deleted Message @Arcane Druid You're not allowed to delete messages during the game!

there is greater

19:46

and lesser

Sorry I just realised it was stupid

19:46

I can't even shame delete my stupidity

lmao

19:46

live with your silliness!

Sorry for interrupting you

sorry?

19:46

dont be sorry

19:46

youre our great and superior pyro

19:47

no need to be sorry for anything

Thank you

Nullarcanist

if we ignite tonight..... uhhh.... so ddd said to prove that im coyotee (cuz i claimed to him as a bait of sorts) to kill dummo. hes powdered. so.... uhhh..... if dummo dies tonight i may be able to get in with the wolves briefly as a coyotee

So we ignite with the intention of killing ddd, leaving no one to question your coyotee claim and allowing you to form other private alliances with Wolfpack members?

well.... its a thought, if ddd survives

19:49

but im open for other ideas too

It's better than anything I have rn

19:49

Do the wolves have any protection abilities?

but also..... if ddd is a wolf. then, i may be able to avoid being attacked under the suspicion of me being wolf, and i think you havent raised any flags.... so i could maybe ward someone aswell to get 3 kills

19:50

scared wolf is the only one that sort of protects (runs from first attack

Scared Wolf [Werewolf Miscellaneous]

Basics

The Scared Wolf will be protected from the first night attack to target them.

Details

If it is attacked by anyone at night, it will escape unharmed the first time. The Scared Wolf is informed that they were attacked. After being attacked once, it will lose its ability.

Nullarcanist

but also..... if ddd is a wolf. then, i may be able to avoid being attacked under the suspicion of me being wolf, and i think you havent raised any flags.... so i could maybe ward someone aswell to get 3 kills

That sounds like a plan honestly. You know anyone who's wolfpack?

19:52

If he actually is wolf though, he'll have told the pack what you said and you'll still be expected to prove you're coyote, no?

not really. just ddds sort of weird claim

its funny that u guys are team again

again?

19:53

we were team before?

Yeah thieves night

last time he played

(they them)

babywolf

^

cant believe huck forgot his baby

my memory is extremely flawed lmao

Mine too dw lmao

i kind of wash away all past games after they finish.

Good idea, helps prevent grudges

maybe thats why im so excited when a new game starts. its like the first game ive ever played every time

Ok so plan for tonight: I ignite, you ward yourself

19:55

Right?

Ok ok out of townie disguise: @Nullarcanist I genuinely think holding off the lynch is a bad idea. If you're right and we genuinely do get more time to kill, shouldn't we be doing as much?

yeah, i know.... but..... i kind of want him alive so our ignite could get more people lol

20:05

then it looks to wolves like im trying to save him.

20:05

so that makes me safe

20:05

but also, with the arguement that is town sided, i may be able to build some trust

20:05

also, the people against saving ddd might be wolves, cuz they dont want to have a lynch

Ohhh it's a trust play

just an idea

My bad I thought it was genuine

Nullarcanist

so that makes me safe

I think we should play it as you being convinced by me. You still get the angle of defending ddd, and we still get the upsides of more time to kill and stuff

also, having angel still alive gives me room to play chaotic under that guise

I think this is the best play, genuinely, if you disagree I'm down to hear it from the perspective of how it benefits us rather than town, but I think playing it this way gets me in good graces of town, you in good graces of wolves while also making you sympathetic to town

yeah, it hopefully works out that way

20:15

playing the sides

20:15

the only thing im losing is the angel play if hes angel.

20:15

well.... if hes angel.... wolves might not see me saving him as being a wolf saving attempt

20:16

so i actually hope he is wolf honestly

My only concern is that I've implied I have a valuable role and that I'm town, making me a bit of a target

cuz i cant say outright, im trying to save my fellow wolf lol

But I'm hoping that I can say it was a bluff

Nullarcanist

cuz i cant say outright, im trying to save my fellow wolf lol

You still have the coyotee play, since you wouldn't know for a fact he's wolf

20:17

So you can say you wanted to save him just in case he was actually wolf

Arcane Druid

My only concern is that I've implied I have a valuable role and that I'm town, making me a bit of a target

yeah, i may protect you tonight perhaps

I think that's best? Idk it's up to you

do we gamble and try to ignite more people, or do we play it safe

20:18

thats the question

20:18

or just chill and slowly powder

20:18

i kind of wanna play agressive to cover more ground.... but thats fa more risky

I think we play it safe. If someone attacks me, we get a good ignite without me wasting an action. If I'm not, oh well

20:20

I think the plan should be I powder someone, you protect me and we hope I'm attacked so we can kill 3 people

20:21

But if I am protected, the pack will know I wasn't killed and will attack me twice the following night to get around the ward

Arcane Druid

I think the plan should be I powder someone, you protect me and we hope I'm attacked so we can kill 3 people

sure, that sounds alright

Arcane Druid

But if I am protected, the pack will know I wasn't killed and will attack me twice the following night to get around the ward

i can ward you every night if i want

20:22

if we think you are a key target

If the ward succeeds I will be, no?

20:22

They decide to attack me and the attacker dies, I'm immediately a high priority

20:23

And wards only work for 1 attack per night, so if I get attacked twice I'll still die

20:25

Regardless, who should I powder?

i think if you are protected by a ward, it doesnt exactly make you a high priority.... like.... it could just be the firebug warding willy nilly or it could mean that you are on the pyro team. but regardless.... they wouldnt use 2 kills in 1 night on you. that would be a waste.

20:27

and powder eh? hmm

20:27

noone is really a high priority atm

20:27

so.... hmm

20:28

someone that hasnt said much maybe?

20:28

cuz they might not be attacked. letting us have more people powdery

Good idea

20:35

I'll go for sarah

20:35

Just random pick

(they might make you roll for it, to avoid the meta.)

I don't wanna powder the people who've claimed cit

20:45

They're too useless to target right now

20:47

Or phan

NO

Huck idk if you can still see this BUT IM SO FUCKED

12:12

WHY DID I CLAIM A ROLE I THINK IS DEAD WHEN THERE'S A REPORTER???

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