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Werewolves Revamped
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 17-6-2024 23:15
@Shifting Shade Jay has been added to #homosexual.
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:15
^-^
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ddd cum
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too aggressive
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https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1252241721488838656/1252286977739591841 this could be either scum or town, i would also be insanely annoyed at ddd's strat if i were invi.... which is why he does it of course
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getting stalker outed early is not a bad strat tbh
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which is another reason to lean ddd scum
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if ddd is cub this is an insanely good play
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and if he isn't.... i'll keep it in mind for the future
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 17-6-2024 23:24
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Haunting [Haunting Information]
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Haunting is a gamemode in which you still play after dying.
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Players that die, turn into ghosts ($i ghost) instead of completely dying. Ghosts can no longer talk in the normal channels, but can interact with other ghosts in a graveyard channel and through ccs. Ghosts have their own elections ($i ghost elections) and a lynch equivalent ($i banishment), however banishment only occurs when so decreed by an elected role. When a ghost is banished, they are fully eliminated and no longer participate in the game. In the Haunting gamemode, the reporter role is replaced by the gravekeeper ($i gravekeeper). A list of all roles exclusive to the Haunting gamemode can be found under $i haunted. Win conditions are unchanged in this mode - whatever team reaches their win condition among the living players wins.
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if ddd is cub this is an insanely good play
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:25
i think it's more likely he's just giving himself alibi but i wouldn't put it past him
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 17-6-2024 23:25
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Ghost [Haunting Information]
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A ghost is a player who has died, but is still playing. Their abilities to interact with the living players are limited, but unlike dead participants they are not completely eliminated.
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Ghosts retain access to their original channels, but cannot write messages in them anymore (except for their own personal secret channel). By default, ghosts cannot use their role abilities anymore (unless specified otherwise). Ghosts can talk to each other in the graveyard and create new CCs with each other, but not with the living players.
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Gravekeeper [Extra Elected]
Haunted
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The Gravekeeper may check the original roles of ghosts.
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Each night, the Gravekeeper may check one ghost for their original role. They cannot check ghosts who have been banished. The roles given are always the role that player was originally assigned; a dog who chooses to become a fortune teller, then gets turned into an undead and finally dies will be shown to the Gravekeeper as 'dog'. The Gravekeeper is immune to disguises and redirections. The Gravekeeper is a replacement for the Reporter in haunting games and is elected on the first full day with a living Mayor and no living Gravekeeper. The Gravekeeper may resign at the end of any phase. The Gravekeeper gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Gravekeepers.
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Ghost Elections [Haunting Information]
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Similiarly to the living, the ghosts have three elections.
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The three elected ghost roles are: Banisher, Poltergeist, Banshee. Each of these roles is elected when all previous positions are occupied. Unlike the elections of the living, the elections of the ghosts occur at night. Additionally, the ghost elections only occur when there are two or more ghosts.
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Banisher [Extra Elected]
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Each day, the Banisher may decide whether a banishment will take place during the next night. There may not be banishments in successive nights.
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The Banisher may choose to resign at any point during a phase, but will only lose the role at the end of the phase. Choosing a banishment is an immediate action. The Banisher gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Banishers.
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Poltergeist [Extra Elected]
Haunted
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Each day, the Poltergeist may decide whether to haunt the tavern in the next night.
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The Poltergeist may choose to resign at any point during a phase, but will only lose the role at the end of the phase. Choosing to haunt the tavern is an end day action. If the Poltergeist choose to haunt the tavern, the tavern channel will be locked at the start of the night and it will be announced the tavern is haunted. Once the night ends, the haunting ends, and the tavern will be unlocked. While the Poltergeist is haunting the tavern, it is absent and will evade banishments (excluding the nightly banishment poll). Other roles which spend their night at the tavern (i.e. Alcoholic) must stay at home while the Poltergeist is haunting and are thus not absent. The Poltergeist gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Poltergeists.
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:27
my immediate thought is rename this to revenant @Tainted Specter . please jot this down as i will forget it
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:29
don't understand the point of this
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 17-6-2024 23:29
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Banshee [Extra Elected]
Haunted
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Each day, the Banshee may select one player to haunt in the following night, ability blocking them.
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The Banshee may choose to resign at any point during a phase, but will only lose the role at the end of the phase. Choosing a player to haunt is an immediate action. The Banshee may not choose to ability block the same player twice. The Banshee gains an additional secret channel, which is reused for any subsequent Banshees.
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:34
ethan is probably scum bc he's toooooooooo quiet
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Shifting Shade Jay
don't understand the point of this
Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:37
it can transfer info to the living
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Shifting Shade Jay
my immediate thought is rename this to revenant @Tainted Specter . please jot this down as i will forget it
Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:38
ah yea we didnt have a good name for that one so we kinda gave up lmao
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Tainted Specter
it can transfer info to the living
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:38
how
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:38
its a reverse medium
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it can send "yes" / "no" by haunting or not haunting
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:39
hmm
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im ngl this is not obvious in the description whatsoever
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:39
I think this might be one rare exception where strategy advice needs to be in the role desc
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:40
yea
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Tainted Specter
it can send "yes" / "no" by haunting or not haunting
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:40
also this is just sort of a normal medium bc the ghosts are still the one answering
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:40
the main idea for that role was just to have some way to transfer info to the living, we discussed a bunch of options but players will find a way to abuse anything
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Shifting Shade Jay
also this is just sort of a normal medium bc the ghosts are still the one answering
Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:40
oh yeah you're right
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Tainted Specter
the main idea for that role was just to have some way to transfer info to the living, we discussed a bunch of options but players will find a way to abuse anything
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:41
i get this but i'm not sure it's very... usable?
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:41
idk either
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Specter Luffian 17-6-2024 23:43
its mostly a filler role to get to the third one
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:43
when i first read it, i thought it was just a shitty guardian
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:44
I do want there to be a somewhat usable way to transfer info to the living
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its just extremly difficult to do that
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:45
situation quadrant: organised vs disorganised town, known town vs unknown alignment polti O+K: reinforces town's advantage/status quo alignment balance D+K: does basically nothing O+U: does basically nothing except potentially confirm polti's alignment if they're scum D+U: offers some opportunity for misdirection if the polti is scum but this is very limited as probably everyone will be aware of how little any polti info they do get can be trusted
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obviously several situations will fall outside the quadrant (scum control of town + known town polti could be very interesting), but this is rare
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Tainted Specter
I do want there to be a somewhat usable way to transfer info to the living
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:47
polti chooses a question, ghosts vote on it like a normal med poll, results are published in taven?
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:48
thats good
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I think
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let me think about it and we can consider putting it in
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sounds better at first glance at least
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though I dont want to lose haunting the tavern
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Tainted Specter
ah yea we didnt have a good name for that one so we kinda gave up lmao
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:49
it's probably the shittiest name a role has ever gotten. i don't mean this in a bad or good way but i do believe it to be factual
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:50
eh I think there's probably slightly worse
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:50
name literally one
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:50
didn't we once name a role very cursed citizen?
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:50
but see that's funny
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:50
id argue its shittier than banisher
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:50
it's "what it says on the tin" but very tongue in cheek, self-aware
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banisher is. banisher
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:51
yeah, it does exactly what it says
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:51
well it doesn't actually
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:51
like reporter and guardian
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:51
it says it banishes
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but it doesn't
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Shifting Shade Jay
name literally one
Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:51
some of these might convince you: The Thing, Very Cursed Civilian, Alternative Look-Alike, Cupid Wraith, Vigilante, Grayish Werewolf, Grandpa, Last Living Baby Wolf, Executioner Wolf, Stalker Wolf (edited)
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Shifting Shade Jay
well it doesn't actually
Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:51
well if it doesnt banish, nothing gets banished
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:51
it determines the time period of potential banishes
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:51
thief
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:52
I mean the banisher might banish
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they just want opinions first
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Tainted Specter
some of these might convince you: The Thing, Very Cursed Civilian, Alternative Look-Alike, Cupid Wraith, Vigilante, Grayish Werewolf, Grandpa, Last Living Baby Wolf, Executioner Wolf, Stalker Wolf (edited)
Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:52
okay tbf last living baby wolf was not thought out at all and wasnt even a role in the first place
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:52
well tbf when we named it banisher we didnt think this was a remotely good role name either
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:52
thats fair
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llbw is defintiely shittier than banisher
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time to make a wwr role tier list
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:53
wwr role tier list, but the roles are represented by icons so really it becomes an icon tier list
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Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:54
firebug is SSSSS+ tier
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normal wolf is in "iconic" tier
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Tainted Specter
some of these might convince you: The Thing, Very Cursed Civilian, Alternative Look-Alike, Cupid Wraith, Vigilante, Grayish Werewolf, Grandpa, Last Living Baby Wolf, Executioner Wolf, Stalker Wolf (edited)
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:54
none of these really convince me 1. the thing: funny 2. very cursed civilian: already described 3. alternative look-alike: an alternative version of look-alike, which is a not-great name but not a very bad one 4. cupid wraith: again, it's the cupid (good name) version of a wraith (good name) 5. vigilante: literally just a mediocre name, why is it here. the role was bad, not the name 6. grayish werewolf: bad, but it's not quite as "tin" as banisher 7. grandpa: grandpa 8. last living baby wolf: has beautiful and poignant memories attached to it 9. executioner wolf: wolf version of executioner (good name) 10. stalker wolf: wolf version of executioner (good name)
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:55
well
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I guess its a matter of opinion 🙂
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:56
no
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i'm right forever
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:56
also vigilante deserves to be on every list
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Shifting Shade Jay
i'm right forever
Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:56
(* about 80% of time)
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Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:56
that's fair and i'll take it
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things i was wrong about: 1. smoked salmon 2. thought i was a lesbian
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:57
3 out of 15 S11G8 questions
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Shifting Shade Jay
things i was wrong about: 1. smoked salmon 2. thought i was a lesbian
Vesper the Veiled 17-6-2024 23:57
omg me too
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Tainted Specter 17-6-2024 23:58
imo banisher is bad because its just a bad name
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but things like "last living baby wolf" and "grayish werewolf" are just completely unserious
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and they're bad
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making them worse
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😄
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anyway, yes if we keep it we rename it
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back to the important things: how can we keep tavern haunting
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Tainted Specter
imo banisher is bad because its just a bad name
Shifting Shade Jay 17-6-2024 23:59
banisher is bad specifically because it uses a word from an action/ability/mechanic it's related to in its name. but in an inaccurate way
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Tainted Specter
back to the important things: how can we keep tavern haunting
Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 00:00
just keep it when ghosts are voting or something
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:02
Create a WWR Roles/Icons tier list. Check out our other Art tier list templates and the most recent user submitted Art tier lists.
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Shifting Shade Jay
just keep it when ghosts are voting or something
Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:03
oh I know - ghosts vote in the tavern!
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:03
are you adding other alignments as well or is this just town?
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:04
might take a bit to update, i added the other alignments
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:05
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Tainted Specter
are you adding other alignments as well or is this just town?
Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:07
try now
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Vesper the Veiled
try now
Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:08
what icons are they? its not all default and its also not all default+limited from what I can tell
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Bat is there but Ravenkeeper is not for example
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:08
these are added
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:08
yeah they're there now
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:08
its everything i could quickly find in my own folder, as tierlistmaker is a bitch and doesnt support drag and drop, so switching between folders is a hassle bc i need to save after each edit (edited)
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:08
ah
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:09
which takes a minute or so every time
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:09
man this kinda makes we realize we couldve used coroners coffin for gravekeeper
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:09
oh yeah I remember it being hell
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for tog
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 00:13
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i clicked after the wolves were added but they werent there for me and im not redoing it
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they're pretty much all A though
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arch fox is S
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:14
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:14
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:14
based on roles overall
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 00:15
oh i was ranking the icons
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lol
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:15
yeah i started with icons
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but im glad cat is consistently S tier
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:15
i rated my first thought for each icon
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some are more rated on icon others more on role, some on both
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 00:15
wow ts you would suck at doing research surveys (edited)
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:15
all the HM icons fucking SUCK i hate them but i have no inspo for new icons
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:16
i dont like pyro role much, but when I see the icon its more of a "cool flame icon" and not "solo role i dislike"
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i cant remember ever seeing cat in play so thats purely icon
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:16
gaslighting you into liking pyro by having sick asf icons
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firebug goes so hard i love it
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:17
oh yeah!
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also result: cat and archivist fox are most beloved
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:17
archivist fox is a good role and a good icon
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 00:17
yea
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:18
tho my all time favorite unlimited icon will always be angel
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:18
surprised u guys like coroner so much, that and mad scientist are prob my least fav town ones
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:19
coroner is a great role imo
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:19
not as a role, just icon
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:19
i think the icon is a bit too shady/grey-ish
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its F tier for me bc im picky
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:19
ig coroner isnt ti anymore but still has the eye
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or maybe thats an old image
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Vesper the Veiled 18-6-2024 00:20
image hasnt been changed yet
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Specter Luffian 18-6-2024 00:21
arts really good though overall, amazing job vera
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 10:29
https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1252241721488838656/1252531722612903966 feels like kruthers may be pack if my insane ddd wolfcub theory is right
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we'll see who pushes most strongly today
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https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1252241721488838656/1252531722612903966 feels like kruthers may be pack if my insane ddd wolfcub theory is right
Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 10:48
this also relies on ddd not knowing how ghostly wolf cub works tbh
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or at least not understanding how weak it is?
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OR relying on people finding his role out after his death and then - or fenrir banishing him. just realised that
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 18-6-2024 10:49
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Fenrir [Werewolf Killing]
Haunted
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Every other night, Fenrir may banish one ghost. Fenrir may still do so while a ghost themself.
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If they choose not to banish, they will once again have the option to banish in the following night. Banishing a ghost is an end-night ability. Fenrir is a member of the wolfpack and a lycan.
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 10:49
i reckon that might be it
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this kind of makes sense actually bc it's probably the only real way to use the WC power
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 11:14
@Shifting Shade Jay could you be subbed in? (edited)
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Shifting Shade Jay 18-6-2024 11:26
sigh. if i must be
11:28
tbh i am more into haunting than i was randomisation so im not too annoyed
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@Tainted Specter sub me in, boy!
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Shifting Shade Jay
@Tainted Specter sub me in, boy!
Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 12:30
👍
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Tainted Specter 18-6-2024 20:28
hm but the new poltergeist is just literally medium
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