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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:10
@Jacob Turtoise has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 1 @Jacob Turtoise
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✅ Added @Chickie Owens to the CC!
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✅ Added @Kaya Seraph to the CC!
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:11
Hello, you two are confirmed as non-WWW Wolves.
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Wolf List (10) Pack (8) Bloody Butcher x1 - Turtle (Butcher) Wolf x3 - Alex (Journalist targeting Citizen), Kiki (Runner), Nick (Huntress) Psychic Wolf x1 - Ts (Coroner) Alpha Wolf x1 - Chickie (Medium) Wolf's Cub x1 - Sun (Fletcher) Sneaking Wolf x1 - Jay (Citizen) (One of the above may be a WWW) Non-pack (2-3) Lone Wolf -> Wolf x1 - Kaya (Citizen) Archivist Fox x1 Warlock x1 - Derp (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:12
In case I die, I'll promote you guys so that I can add
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:12
✅ Promoted @Kaya Seraph!
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✅ Promoted @Chickie Owens!
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:22
Okay, bad news. Our Psychic Wolf has just announced that Derp is Warlock. This means that we have a confirmed White Werewolf.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:26
that's not great
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we've had 2 nights though, shouldn't we have seen a WWW kill by now?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:27
They can choose to idle, and they often do in early game.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:27
i see
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:28
Because if they weaken Wolves too much, then they're also in danger.
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And they could've tried to mislead us.
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Well, Ts will reach out to him, seeing as he checked him.
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Hopefully he'll be able to feel whether he's legit.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:29
derp, you mean?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:29
Ts is reaching out to Derp, yeah.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:29
gotcha
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:29
This would mean that the WWW is likely hiding within the "Wolves" (Nick/Alex/Kiki)
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:30
and the other special wolves are probably not WWW, why?
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like psychic wolf is great but if Ts isn't confirmed it could be an issue
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(im not disputing im just trying to learn)
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Chickie Owens
and the other special wolves are probably not WWW, why?
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:32
They can be. However, the WWW is strongly disguised as the most common Wolf (in this case the regular Wolf). This would mean that if we ever were to e.g. check Ts or Jay as a Wolf, they'd be outed, because they claimed a different wolf.
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The WWW knows their disguise and will usually claim accordingly.
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The other thing is that Ts is our only Investigative role in wolfpack. It'd be kind of sad to have an 8-person wolfpack with no WI (it's possible, especially since we have two WI outside of pack, apparently) but it's usual to have a WI in pack.
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But yes, I haven't added them here because they aren't confirmed, which is why it's just us three.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:34
understood
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then how do we go about rooting out WWW?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:35
The Warlock claims to have no used their check yet, and is asking who they should check.
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:35
isn't it affected by weak disguises though?
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Chickie Owens
then how do we go about rooting out WWW?
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:36
Either they get lynched by town at some point, like Sun. Or we kill them in wolfpack poll. That's why you're so valuable as AW, because in a case where it's just WWW and a wolf left, Wolves will usually lose. But with your double vote, you can override the kill.
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:36
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Warlock [Werewolf Investigative]
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Each night, the Warlock may check one player’s role.
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Each night, the Warlock may inspect a player. They will be told what that player's role is. Inspecting a player is an immediate ability. The Warlock is affected by weak disguises, redirections, and obstructions. The Warlock is not a lycan, nor are they a member of the wolfpack.
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:37
Oh, and the Warlock's checks have been Lorelis and Ghost as Citizen
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Chickie Owens
isn't it affected by weak disguises though?
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:37
Yes, but it could still be valuable.
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Do you have any reads?
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:42
im thinking still
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is it an alright idea to type my claim in wolfpack chat?
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my idea is we keep tank alive because I as medium can feed him misinformation
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sorry as claimed medium
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:42
@Kaya Seraph the reason we have a trusted wolf-chat is because there is a WWW/impostor in the wolfpack, and so this is the wolf chat for 100% confirmed Wolves, where we can share info freely.
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Chickie Owens
is it an alright idea to type my claim in wolfpack chat?
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:42
No
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:43
alright
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:43
WWW will kill you first
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Chickie Owens 01-10-2023 21:43
makes sense
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i haven't heard much from alecks or kiki so it might be worth checking them out
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i will say nick seems to be the most experienced
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and they seem pretty quick to vote on basically anything
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but other than that no reads really
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taking all i got just to keep up with chats lol
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heyo
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tank is asking me (pretend medium) to check with dead if derp is scum
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Jacob Turtoise
@Kaya Seraph the reason we have a trusted wolf-chat is because there is a WWW/impostor in the wolfpack, and so this is the wolf chat for 100% confirmed Wolves, where we can share info freely.
Kaya Seraph 01-10-2023 21:54
Oh shit ☠️
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Duuuuude
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 02:07
invincitank asked me to change my "medium" question and I said OK
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i should have said it's too late to change in retrospect but it's fine
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they wanted me to ask "is Babi town"
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it could be a test to see if im true medium, or it could be actual information searching
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i have til tomorrow to respond
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cause sleeping
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what should i answer?
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 07:12
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Medium [Townsfolk Power]
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Each night, the Medium may ask the dead players one question.
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During each night the Medium has access to a second secret channel, where they can ask a question, once day starts the channel is locked, and a Yes/No poll is created. All dead participants are able to vote on it during the day. Of course, there can be members of all teams in the dead participants. The question needs to be one simple yes/no question without any hidden meaning to it. Not voting as a dead participant should not give the Medium any information. Once the day ends, the poll is closed, and the Medium gains access to the second secret channel again.
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 07:15
I thimk you can change, just say yes. About Babi, we have 3 Town + 1 Wolf dead right now + whoever dies tonight. (5 Town if Invinci and Luffy die). You only have to give results tomorrow night, right? Make the Warlock (Derp) check Babi, and then if she's Town, act as if the Town voted yes. And if she's Solo, act as if the Town voted no.
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So, in case I die tonight: You will have to contact Ts, to get him to check people. You will have to contact Derp or make Ts contact Derp to get the Warlock checks.
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@Kaya Seraph what is your fake-claim, by the way?
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 07:20
Oh citizen
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I felt it was a safe choice
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I’m still getting used to everything
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 07:21
Yup, that sounds fine 👍
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Of course, don't worry
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 07:21
Nice nice
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 09:36
@Chickie Owens Warlock told me that Babi is Pyromancer; so you tomorrow night when you tell the results, act as if both Town & Wolves said no.
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 09:51
Here is the role list @Participant
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Role List Townsfolk | 17 • Butcher x3 (Invinci, Supermoon, Dumm0) • TK x3 • TP x2 • Exorcist x1 • Fletcher x2 (Luffy, Huck) • Crowd Seeker x1 (Swurtle) • Citizen x2 (Lorelis, Ghost) • Journalist x1 (Arch) • Other Town x2 Werewolves | 10 • Bloody Butcher x1 (Turtle) • Alpha Wolf x1 (Chickie) • Lone Wolf x1 -> Wolf (Kaya) • Wolf x3 (Alex, Nick, Kiki) • Sneaking Wolf x1 (Jay) • Psychic Wolf x1 (Ts) • Wolf's Cub x1 (Sun) • Archivist Fox x1 Solo | 6 • Pyromancer x1 (Noah -> Babi) • White Werewolf x1 (maybe one of three Wolves?) • SK x4 Unaligned | 2 • Chef x1 • UAK x1 Dead Unknown • None. Key Confirmed Probable Possible Dead
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 09:52
Warlock checks: N1 Lorelis - Cit; N2 Ghost - Cit; N3 Babi - Pyro
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Warlock checks: N1 Lorelis - Cit; N2 Ghost - Cit; N3 Babi - Pyro Psychic Wolf checks: N1 Swurtle - CS - yes; N2 Limbo - Assassin - no; N3 Derp - Warlock - yes (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 09:56
IF Ts is set up for lynch for some weird reason (because his fake-claim is quite good), it is probably because the Warlock leaked and is illegitimate. However, if not, he is probably lynched. Ts knows of Chickie's role as AW and Jay as SnW, so if Chickie dies to WWW tonight, it could be Ts. (edited)
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I'm giving you all the info I can muster.
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Huck is my Fletcher who gave me a Customer ability, but revoked it.
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 14:13
Alright we have good infor going forward
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 15:49
@Kaya Seraph so someone gave out info
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Because Turtle died to a killing, and both of our attacks were blocked
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A witch seems likely, but someone had to have given out who was being targeted for both to be blocked
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Chickie Owens
A witch seems likely, but someone had to have given out who was being targeted for both to be blocked
Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 16:30
Do you have any suspects?
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Wolfpack chat isn’t the most active for me to really see who’s the imposter
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 16:50
Hmm
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I dont really know what roles could do that? From my understanding WWW also wants town to die
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So it could be one of the 3 generic wolves
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It has to be a pack member, unless a trusted told someone about voe plans
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Im unsure how else killing would have been blocked
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:46
Ive been informed it probably wasnt an info leak, rather we just targetted obviously
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 19:55
Oh I see
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This doesn’t eliminate the possibility of an imposter correct
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:57
We definitely have a WWW
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Of the 5 people it could be im taking steps to check 2
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Ts and Jay
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Since they're the most checkable right now
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And the 3 generic wolves we wouldnt be able to tell
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If you have CCs or something if you could maybe snoop or something
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See whats up with the Alex and Nick
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:00
What is an example of something I could ask
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:00
Im asking Kiki stuff in wolf chat rn
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Uhh lemme think
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Ok so we're looking for someone not trying to risk too much for wolfpack
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Agh this is hard
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:05
We can’t just ask people to make their case for why they should be trusted
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:05
Not really
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Cause that lets on we know about WWW
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Of the 5 nonconfirmed wolfpack, 4 shouldnt know about WWW existence
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Im checking the 5th one
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Idk if you have CC ask then what their claims are?
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If it matches with what Turtle gave us, back to square 1
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If it doesnt, we have info
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Dont reveal that you or I wolf trusted
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:08
I have one cc with the reporter
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They asked for role claims
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I’m guessing I can make 2 more yeah?
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:09
You can have up to 3 yea
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I think i can make one also
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We could ask conflicting questiond to one of them
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:09
What is an example of questions we could ask
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:10
Hmnm
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Idk i havent played wwr much
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:10
I’m thinking I make it seem like I’m a regular wolf just trying to see what everyone’s roles are
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:10
That'd a good start
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:10
And whoever we think is sus we ask the conflicting questions
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:11
Sounds good
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 20:11
Alr ill cc nick and
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Alex
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Those two I don’t see very much in chat
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Oh nick was involved with something earlier wasn’t he
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Before I subbed in
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 20:14
I think? I cant remember
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Ill read backlogs
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I think nick almost was lynched but got out of it
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 21:49
Jay is 100% clear so we could add them here
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Ts is 99% clear also
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So we know it's one of the 3
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Kaya Seraph 02-10-2023 22:24
It’s either nick, alex or Kiki then
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 22:56
We should add Jay and Ts to here
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 23:00
⛔ Syntax error. Invalid subcommand help!
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⛔ Syntax error. Invalid Player: jay!
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⛔ Command error. No valid players, that are not part of this CC already, were provided!
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✅ Added @Jane Jaidens to the CC!
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 23:01
Heyo you were confirmed to not be WWW, so you get access to the wolf trusted chat
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 23:06
✅ Added @Terry Skinner, PhD to the CC!
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 23:06
Heyo im gonna be honest in retrospect it was a misplay but i used Warlock to 100% confirm you (edited)
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Or like
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99%
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Close enough
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But having psychic 100% trusted seems valuable so
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Jane Jaidens 02-10-2023 23:39
hey pleading
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Jacob Turtoise
IF Ts is set up for lynch for some weird reason (because his fake-claim is quite good), it is probably because the Warlock leaked and is illegitimate. However, if not, he is probably lynched. Ts knows of Chickie's role as AW and Jay as SnW, so if Chickie dies to WWW tonight, it could be Ts. (edited)
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 23:50
my claim is not good btw
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checking me was a waste sorry to say
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ive not been doing a good job at being towny
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Town: TG x3 Butcher Butcher - 🥖 imdumm0, 🧻 invincitank, 🌚 supermoooneclipse _TK x3 Witch Witch - TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - (Likely Huntress? Maybe Yuuki) TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - (Maybe Executioner?) TP x5 Fletcher Fletcher - 🎨 captainluffy, 👁️ huckhuck55 Exorcist Exorcist - TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - (Likely Innkeeper?) TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - (Likely Herald?) Other x6 Journalist Journalist - 🐓 jeand.arch CrowdSeeker Crowd Seeker - thight swurtle Citizen Citizen - 🐺 gh0st5had0w, 🔪 lorelis TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - (Likely Cursed Civilian?) TownsfolkPlaceholder ? - **_Wolves* WG x1 BloodyButcher Bloody Butcher 🐢 mister.turtle WK x2 LoneWolf Lone Wolf - 🧲 rokaya AlphaWolf Alpha Wolf - 🪲 chickaen Other Wolvex 7 ArchivistFox Archivist Fox - 🧋 thekremblin Wolf Wolf (Claim) - 💀 nick262008, 🦉 chao5895, 😭 alexiiosu WolfCub Wolf Cub - ⚖️ slowsuffocation SneakingWolf Sneaking Wolf - 📖 jayanna Warlock Warlock - 🍆 derpsnorlax PsychicWolf Psychic Wolf - 🛠️ mctsts SK x6 Pyromancer Pyromancer 🔆 babibdou Wisp Wisp WhiteWerewolf White Werewolf *likely sk roles Pyromancer Pyromancer PlagueBearer Plague Bearer PlagueBearer Plague Bearer UAK x2 Chef Chef Angel Angel (Unconfirmed) Unknown 4️⃣ - harperette 🐙 - alphaviki 🕯️ - phantomtomic 👁‍🗨 - matstress 🌌 - sharleclaire 🐱 - katyhawk ❤️ - nottinghamshire 🖕 - ddd8000 🙀 - yuuki_not_cutie 🍋 - Limbo✨ 💚 - mojo182 😃 - topkinsme 🍊 - orangeorangeorangeorangeorange. 🐈 - wwhythough (edited)
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There has not been an AF message today, so AF is dead
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Thus AF was krem
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Terry Skinner, PhD 03-10-2023 00:09
I was asked by invinci to add luffy and dumm0 into our cc - I fear that might've been necessary for them to see proof that I'm lying(?) This does however show that they didn't necessarily trust invinci
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I say we kill luffy - invinci is clearly not in charge of tt if luffy and dumm0 need to check something for confirmation
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luffy has been much more vocal against us than dumm0
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Kaya Seraph 03-10-2023 00:37
The townsfolk were pretty sus of Luffy before
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Terry Skinner, PhD 03-10-2023 00:37
hes confirmed now pretty much
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due to sun being confirmed scum
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and there not being a ctc
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luffy is 100% confirmed
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Kaya Seraph 03-10-2023 00:38
Ah
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Alright I’m convinced
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A safe choice
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Terry Skinner, PhD 03-10-2023 00:51
maybe its worth thinking about the role list a bit: • With a White Werewolf we have a major disadvantage: Pack's main ability, the trust is compromised • Team Distribution: 10/35=28.5% (wolves) vs 17/35=48.5% (town) (⇒ 0.58 Ratio) compared to a standard distribution of 30% vs 50% (⇒ 0.6 Ratio) we have a minor disadvantage • With 16 (technically 17? - I'd count Angel) scum we have a required claim space of 16 roles. According to our current knowledge the maximum claimspace is: ‣ Butcher x1 (claimed by Bloody Butcher) ‣ TK x3 (Witch, Unknown x2) ‣ Fletcher x1 ‣ TP x3 (Exorcist, Unknown x2) ‣ Other Role x5 (Journalist, Citizen x2, Unknown x2) ‣ Angel x1 For a total of 14 claimable roles if we're being VERY generous for the list. 3 TK claims and 4 TP claims is completely unreasonable, a more realistic claimspace is probably 2 TK and 2-3 TP. 13 claimable roles is the most that seems sane (claiming 4 TP and 2 TK, not ctcing the expected strong TK). That's once again a significant disadvantage • In the known roles town has 2 confirmable roles (Fletcher) and one super powerful role (Crowd Seeker), whereas the wolf roles are not particularly noteworthy (there definitely have been worse packs, but also much better ones). I would say the known roles put us at a slight disadvantage So everything we know is completely against us. This means most likely the things we don't know are actually pretty much in our favor: • I think it's almost guaranteed there is not a strong TK (No Assassin, Cult Leader or Priest). The most reasonable options seem to be Executioner and Huntress I guess? I was thinking a Barber earlier, but that seems too strong now (not claimable). • Similiary I think it's guaranteed there's not another strong TI (No Fortune Teller). I think most likely not another TI at all. Maybe an Aura Teller, but I think not? A Huntsman would put as another significant disadvantage so that's not really an option. • For TP it seems highly likely there's a Herald. Other options are Stalker, Medium and Innkeeper (maybe no TI, but Innkeeper instead? That would seem reasonable I believe) • The two unknown roles are pretty much guaranteed to be TMs and I believe one must be a Cursed Civilian to make up for the disadvantages So maybe the remaining roles look something like this: TK: Executioner, Huntress; TP: Innkeeper, Herald; TM: Cursed Civilian, No Idea (edited)
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Yuuki got elected without much explanation, right? Possible Huntress claim there?
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I think Angel, Huntress, Innkeeper, Herald and Cursed Civilian are very good guesses, the last 2 roles I'm not so sure about
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Executioner doesn't feel right, but it's the only option that seems remotely balanced. Next best option is double Huntress I think but that's awful
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Jane Jaidens 03-10-2023 00:58
holy
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Terry Skinner, PhD 03-10-2023 01:00
Interestingly luffy claims the existence of a TI - Though an Innskeeper is sufficient to reveal a fake claim
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Terry Skinner, PhD
I was asked by invinci to add luffy and dumm0 into our cc - I fear that might've been necessary for them to see proof that I'm lying(?) This does however show that they didn't necessarily trust invinci
Chickie Owens 03-10-2023 01:44
Same here
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Jane Jaidens 03-10-2023 01:45
so are we going to try killing invi again?
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Chickie Owens 03-10-2023 01:45
I thought lufgy
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Jane Jaidens 03-10-2023 01:45
oh ok
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Jane Jaidens 03-10-2023 13:37
Oh zamn
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