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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-09-2023 21:10
@Terry Skinner, PhD has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 2 @Terry Skinner, PhD @Jacob Turtoise
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 21:10
hi
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 21:16
Hello.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 21:18
im psychic wolf
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 21:18
Okay, who are you checking?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 21:19
no plans so far
21:19
im open for suggestions
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 21:25
I don't really have suggestions, lol. Based on D0, there's not so much
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 22:05
Hi, can you check someone for me @Terry Skinner, PhD?
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Or have you already used your action?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 22:08
nope
22:08
I mean I can check
22:08
I have not used
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 22:11
Great, check Swurtle as Crowd Seeker, please?
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Please let me know what you find out when you have the chance.
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Jacob Turtoise
Great, check Swurtle as Crowd Seeker, please?
Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 23:02
👍
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Jacob Turtoise
Great, check Swurtle as Crowd Seeker, please?
Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 23:06
Swurtle is CS
23:06
but how
23:06
how did you know
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 23:07
Lol, Swurtle misunderstood disguises and claimed to three of the Butchers 💀 including me
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-09-2023 23:07
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Bloody Butcher [Werewolf Group]
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The Bloody Butcher is the werewolf spy in the butcher group. They are part of both channels.
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The Bloody Butcher is a werewolf who is also part of the butcher group. They are the traitor among the group, who tries to gain information. They are strongly disguised as a Butcher.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 23:07
I forgot about that
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thats new
23:07
understandable
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 23:08
She's Fletcher's customer and targeting one of me, Supermoon and Dummo. But I say we take the risk.
23:08
And attack.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 23:10
absolutely
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 23:14
I feel like you're semi-confirmed atp. The Swurtle CS check could be faked 50/50, but eh, I'd like someone to trust of the Wolves and you're most likely it.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 29-09-2023 23:16
i trust myself 😎
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Jacob Turtoise 29-09-2023 23:17
Lol, fair.
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 10:40
In case I die, I'm FC and Huck CCd me to claim Fletcher
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 12:18
wwait what
12:18
you too?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:07
What, you too?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:11
im confused
14:12
anyone we can get to ctc fletcher?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:15
I can ask one of the newer players to maybe?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:16
yea
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:17
Let me see.
14:19
Who's your Fletcher btw?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:30
Limited roles can't be in game right?
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Jacob Turtoise
Who's your Fletcher btw?
Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:35
what
14:36
I meant "you too?" as in "you are FC same as swurtle?" not as in "you are FC same as me?"
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:36
Oh, ooh
14:36
Sorry, I misunderstood.
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Jacob Turtoise
Limited roles can't be in game right?
Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:36
correct
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:36
Great, then I know that we have a Lone Wolf 👍
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:36
also I asked and "Other Wolves"/"Other Town" in the role list just means Any Wolves/Town, not town/wolves from the unlisted categories
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so there can be more WK/TK/TP than listed
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:37
Oh.
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No, but still.
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.2k
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I have one WK claim, so that can only leave LWo left.
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Because 2 are guaranteed.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:37
yep
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I didnt mean to imply otherwise
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I just remembered that info at that moment
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however what's the theoretical 11th wolfish player then?
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we have 8 in pack
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we have a single fox
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and a guaranteed LW
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so we have a (Lone) Warlock? (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:39
Yeah, either we have a packless like Tanner or Warlock, or there is just no WWW. Definitely leaning towards the former.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:40
wait nobody claimed devil's wager, did they?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:40
Nope
14:40
Not yet
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:40
I think a devil is like 99.9% certain though (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:40
Could be inactive town, packless or another Solo that got it.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:40
yea
14:41
are you working on getting somebody to ctc FC?
14:41
Fletcher I mean
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 14:42
I am, but they're not responding to me 😭 (edited)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 14:43
sad
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 15:19
They both refused 😔 what the
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 15:30
uhm, why?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 16:36
One said that certain players would see through the meta.
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And the other was like "I think it's too late" and when I said it isn't they ghosted me
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Let me try one more.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 16:37
ctc has to be done to block claim collection
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 16:38
Ye
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 17:58
Well it took some time, but I got someone convinced
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 18:01
nice
18:03
We couldn't have chosen the same target though?
pensivebread 😬
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 21:19
any ideas for a check?
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 21:51
Uhh, hmm.
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Not really? I assume we don't want to check for packless?
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All the roles I know are confirmed
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:01
hm
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that sucks
22:02
delaying a check as assassin on @Dante Lorris for now
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(got it via $roll)
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didnt know this person was playing
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:03
I also rolled them, lol, and didn't know they existed.
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Do we kill Huck?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:07
did he claim anything?
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I think we can kill one of the people that were supporting luffy
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:08
He's my Fletcher.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:08
oh
22:08
I dont have a list of claims
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:08
But he hasn't told anyone else yet, afaik.
22:08
Well, that's the only claim I have
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:08
thats not a very high value target tbh
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wolves are less likely to die by NK than townies
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so the ability revoke is not too bad for us
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:09
True.
22:10
also further down in the conversation
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:10
So Arch? Not a bad kill.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:10
there were two people that very quite a bit in favor of luffy
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ah in that convo the second person was luffy
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:11
Lol
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:11
I think there was another person that said luffy is more trustworthy than sun
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in another conversation further down (edited)
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but town square was active
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Is it meta to kill somebody based on "they've been smart this game so that might be a problem later on"
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:12
No
22:12
That's called reads
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:14
cool
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Jacob Turtoise 30-09-2023 22:15
So Arch we go
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Terry Skinner, PhD 30-09-2023 22:16
sure
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 13:01
What was the result @Terry Skinner, PhD?
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What are you fake-claiming btw?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 16:29
Hello?
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Jacob Turtoise
What was the result @Terry Skinner, PhD?
Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 18:09
no
18:10
sorry I just woke up pffffft
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Jacob Turtoise
What are you fake-claiming btw?
Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 18:11
any suggestions?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 19:53
maybe coroner would make for an interesting claim
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what do you think @Jacob Turtoise?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:37
Sure, that would work
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I don't have suggestions really
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:44
@Jacob Turtoise can you tell me the roles of jay and chickie (they did the attacks) or do I make something up
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:44
Hmm, I guess I trust you
20:45
Jay is Sneaking Wolf and Chickie is Alpha Wolf (and confirmed)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:45
👍
20:45
this seem right? Swurtle - Sneaking Wolf - kill supermoon - CS - kill arch - Alpha Wolf - kill sun - lynch turtle - witch - kill babi - lynch krem - wisp - kill (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:46
Yes, although is FC mentioned wrt CS?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:47
no
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:47
I don't really know the Coroner phrasings
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:47
I checked with hosts
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:47
Then that looks good to me
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And SnW stay SnW, true.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:47
yep
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coroner is so easy to fuck up
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:50
It really is, but if there's no other Coroner it's easy to fake
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:50
we dont know if there's a real coroner
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:50
Yeah...
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Well, I'll be outed as soon as this phase starts, so I probably won't survive the night.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 20:51
pensivebread
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 20:57
Apparently Snivy claimed Tanner to Sun
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D0 - Me cit; Luffy cit - none in Wolfpack D1 - me cit; arch cit - none in Wolfpack D2 - Orange cit; wt cit - one in Wolfpack
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Does this seem real? He chose to of the confirmed players to ensure that he wouldn't name someone in wolfpack? It seems contrived to me
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And Derp claims Warlock...
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:00
yeah thats a bit sus
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for tanner (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:01
Derp said their info is Lorelis and Ghost as Cits...
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I think they're both trolling. (edited)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:02
yea
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:04
Do you wanna spend a check on one of them? I don't really know much more atp.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:04
I can check the warlock
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:05
Yeah, I literally have no hints of what roles we have except for the roles in game
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Jacob Turtoise
Yeah, I literally have no hints of what roles we have except for the roles in game
Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:13
so check derp as warlock, final?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:13
Sure, go for it.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:17
derp as warlock = yes @Jacob Turtoise
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thonk
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which would mean we have two confirmed out-of-pack non-tks
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and 9 pack members
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so WWW confirmed?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:21
Yes...
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There's no way it's a disguise, right?
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Now I regret sharing so much info with you 💀
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But nah, pack needs a WI tbh.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:22
ah now you just shared that im the only wi pffffft
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Jacob Turtoise
There's no way it's a disguise, right?
Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:22
only assistant could be possible
21:22
I think
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but no way derp has found a warlock and set up an assistant redirect onto them
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Terry Skinner, PhD
ah now you just shared that im the only wi pffffft
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:23
Uh, whoops 🙂
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Well, unless they gave us two non-pack WIs to make up for it?
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Yeah, 3 WIs is kinda much 😭
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:23
AF is WI by technicality
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:24
True.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:24
I really don't think 3 is a much
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we have PW + a packless one often
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in games with 10p less
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Warlock + PW + AF is actually on the very very weak side of things
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:24
Should I add Derp into Wolf-trusted chat then?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:25
He could be devil now that I think about it
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or demon
21:25
I was only thinking about town
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:25
But isn't the Devil disguise permanent?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:25
I would say its not necessary, you can give him a contact person if necessary
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:25
Why would they permanently disguise as a Wolf.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:25
Good question
21:25
But it's derp (edited)
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Terry Skinner, PhD
I would say its not necessary, you can give him a contact person if necessary
Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:25
To reach out tonight?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:25
But you are right, its unlikely
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Oh wait nobody is in contact with derp now, right?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:26
Nope.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:26
cause it was only sun
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right
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:26
Yeah
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:26
you can reach out to him and have him do a check that seems valuable
21:26
and tell the other trusted wolves his name
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:26
I'm out of CCs 😶
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:26
I dont think anything else is necessary
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Should I do it?
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:27
If you wanna risk it, sure.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:27
I don't see how he could reasonably be fake
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:27
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Disguises [Ability Type]
Basics
Disguises affect what role an investigative role sees a player as when inspecting them.
Details (1/2)
Disguises may be either weak or strong. Disguises are applied in chronological order: an investigative role will see the most recently applied disguise of the strength they are affected by. As a general rule, only investigative roles which inspect a player's role (or an attribute of the role) are affected by disguises (e.g Warlock, Aura Teller). Investigative roles which inspect other attributes, such as alignment (e.g Oracle, Huntsman) generally see past any disguises. • Permanent disguises are chosen once, usually at the start of the game (e.g Devil). • Semi-permanent disguises are permanent disguises which the player may choose to change at any point (e.g Psychopath) or are permanent unless removed by source (e.g. Horseman of Famine). • Non-permanent disguises usually last a single phase and, unlike permanent and semi-permanent disguises, may be applied to a player by a different player (e.g Tanner).
Details (2/2)
Take a Sneaking Wolf who has during the last day phase been disguised as a Demon by a Pack Tanner. During the night phase, the player will have two disguises, a strong permanent Citizen disguise and a weak non-permanent Demon disguise. A Fortune Teller would see the Sneaking Wolf as a Demon, as that is the most recent disguise; an Aura Teller would see the Sneaking Wolf as not a threat, as they are only affected by strong disguises; a Huntsman would see the Sneaking Wolf as part of the pack, as they are not affected by disguises at all (they check pack status, not role). For a complete list of disguises check $i disguises list.
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:27
If you trust your check enough
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Go for it
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But earlier rather than later, because who knows if he has already checked
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:27
;disguises list
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:27
Current Disguises
• Devil - permanent, weak • Demon - permanent, weak • Disguised Fox - non-permanent, strong • Pack Tanner - non-permanent, weak • Psychopath (Self) - semi-permanent, strong • Psychopath (Others) - non-permanent, weak • Sneaking Wolf - permanent, strong • Tanner - non-permanent, weak • White Werewolf - permanent, strong • Bloody Butcher - permanent, strong • Cerberus - permanent, weakFlute Charmer - semi-permanent, weakHags - permanent, strongHorseman of Famine - semi-permanent, strong
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Jacob Turtoise
If you trust your check enough
Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:27
I mean I know the check happened which is more than you
21:28
Psychopath isnt in game
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so it cant be anything else, right?
21:28
it could only be devil
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which would be super strange
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;redirection list
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:28
Current Redirections
• Flute Apprentice - Enchanted players that use an action on the Flute Apprentice have their action be redirected on the Flute Apprentice's target • Assistant - The first wolfish non-attack action used on the assistant will be redirected • Reaper - Can redirect the abilities of non-sleepless players
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:28
Yeah, I honestly think it's safe.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:28
will reach out to him
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-10-2023 21:28
✅ Created #hi!
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:29
Perfect
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:30
🥖 - imdumm0 Butcher Butcher 🧋 - thekremblin 🐓 - jeand.arch Journalist Journalist 4️⃣ - harperette thight - swurtle CrowdSeeker Crowd Seeker 🐙 - alphaviki 💀 - nick262008 🎨 - captainluffy Fletcher Fletcher 🕯️ - phantomtomic 👁🗨 - matstress 🌌 - sharleclaire 👁️ - huckhuck55 Fletcher Fletcher 🐱 - katyhawk ❤️ - nottinghamshire 🛠️ - mctsts PsychicWolf Psychic Wolf 🖕 - ddd8000 🌚 - supermoooneclipse Butcher Butcher 🐢 - mister.turtle BloodyButcher Bloody Butcher 📖 - jayanna SneakingWolf Sneaking Wolf 🍆 - derpsnorlax Warlock Warlock 🔪 - lorelis Citizen Citizen 🧻 - invincitank Butcher Butcher 🙀 - yuukinot_cutie ⚖️ - slowsuffocation WolfCub Wolf Cub 🍋 - Limbo✨ 💚 - mojo182 😭 - alexiiosu 🪲 - chickaen AlphaWolf Alpha Wolf 😃 - topkinsme 🍊 - orangeorangeorangeorangeorange. 🦉 - chao5895 🐈 - wwhythough 🐺 - gh0st_5had0w Citizen Citizen 🔆 - babibdou 🧲 - rokaya __Otherwise confirmed roles: Witch Witch WhiteWerewolf White Werewolf (edited)
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:30
Your list?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:30
yea
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:31
I think this is everything I know so far
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:31
Huck hasn't revoked me yet, which is a good sign.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:33
@Jacob Turtoise he has not used the check yet
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told him to wait
21:33
I can transfer the cc to you if you prefer or I will tell him whoever you choose
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:34
I mean, you can add me if you want. I doubt I'll live much longer regardless.
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I don't know who I'd like to check.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 01-10-2023 21:38
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uhm
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9 pack wolves
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3 packless
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that doesnt add up
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oh wait I already counted the LW in the pack wolves earlier
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I hadnt noticed they joined
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pffffft
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Jacob Turtoise 01-10-2023 21:40
Lol
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Yeah, 9 pack + 2 packless now
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Jacob Turtoise 02-10-2023 07:22
If I die, please reach out to Chickie.
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:22
👍
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 19:22
✅ Added @Chickie Owens to the CC!
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:22
hi
19:26
I can add you to cc with derpsnorlax (warlock) if you want
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I've claimed Coroner to invinci (with my fake info being pinned). He's asking for Turtle death reasons. Do you have any insider info that could reveal the cause?
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My theory is that a Witch killed him since that adds up with the protections
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:29
I unfortunately dont have info past that it might be witch
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Terry Skinner, PhD
I can add you to cc with derpsnorlax (warlock) if you want
Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:29
I would appreciate it
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:29
There could be a situation where we have an assassin and a witch
19:30
but we definitely have a witch
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so I think my best bet is saying turtle got killed by witch
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:30
Sounds good
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I think town might have someone inside wolf channel
19:31
Well they definitely do
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:31
they dont?
19:31
there's no such role
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:31
Huh
19:31
How'd they know who to guard
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:31
by being smart
19:31
witch guards 3 people + itself
19:31
We attacked the most obvious targets - they protected the most obvious targets
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There are wolf traitors but none to town
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 19:31
Wolfpack
The wolfpack is a group consisting out of most (but not all) werewolf roles. Each night, the wolfpack votes to attack one player. Most members of the wolfpack are lycans. The wolfpack may also contain traitors. Some other roles may be in the wolfpack as well if they started out as a member of the wolfpack and then transformed into another role. Werewolves AlphaWolf Alpha Wolf BloodyButcher Bloody Butcher CorruptWolf Corrupt Wolf Direwolf Direwolf InfectingWolf Infecting Wolf KnowledgeableWolf Knowledgeable Wolf PsychicWolf Psychic Wolf PackTanner Pack Tanner SaboteurWolf Saboteur Wolf ScaredWolf Scared Wolf SneakingWolf Sneaking Wolf TrackingWolf Tracking Wolf TricksterWolf Trickster Wolf (T) Wolf Wolf WolfCub Wolf Cub Traitors CupidWolf Cupid Wolf (T) WhiteWerewolf White Werewolf
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:32
hm this list is wrong
19:32
Cupid Wolf and White Werewolf are both traitors, but additional Imp and Undead can be traitors too (edited)
19:32
Cupid Wolf is confirmed to not be in game (requires a Cupid in the role list which is UAA category which isnt ingame)
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Undead is confirmed to not be in game (requires a Vampire in the role list which is SR category which isnt ingame)
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Imp could be ingame, but unlikely. An Imp is only created when an Infecting Wolf tries to infect a member of hell team. A hell team might be ingame, but we don't know. I doubt an Imp would exist
19:34
That just leaves White Werewolf which is confirmed to be in the game as we have a total of 11 confirmed wolfish players (9 original pack members, a confiremd warlock (checked by me) and a confirmed archivist fox (confirmed through wolfpack messages)), as there are only 10 wolves, one of the pack members must be a traitor and the only option is WWW
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:37
Alright
19:37
WWW is disguised though, right? So we cant warlock check suspects?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:37
correct
19:38
The WWW completely imitates the most common wolf role in the pack
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Often this will lead to a WWW claiming that role
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Some more experienced players might instead choose to claim a different role instead though
19:39
Depending on the information you have you might be able to figure out which role the WWW is disguised as and if there's no clear role they might be claiming a different role than their disguise
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:39
Hmm
19:39
Augh im going to have to think arent i
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:41
usually WWWs will stand out by not being as cooperative or willing to take risks as the non-wwws, but not always. Last time I played against a WWW, the WWW went for a super risk fake TI claim which almost got them the win
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:42
I see
19:42
Ill read some logs and get back to you (edited)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:43
you cant really trust me either
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:44
I cant
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 19:47
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Psychic Wolf [Werewolf Investigative]
Basics
Each night, the Psychic Wolf may guess one player's role, and if their guess is correct, it is confirmed.
Details
The Psychic Wolf is affected by weak disguises, redirections, and obstructions. The Psychic Wolf's guessing is an immediate ability.
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:47
WI abilities tend to suck, huh (edited)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:48
pack WIs are weaker, packless WI are stronger
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its a deliberate design decision
19:48
a long time back we only had Warlock and no other WIs at all
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:48
I get the reasoning just ahhh the job is harder lol
19:49
Incentivizes wolves to convince town to trust them and all that
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:49
yep
19:49
would be too easy if you can just get town roles without any extra steps
19:49
usually when you have a warlock you won't have a PW to check them in smaller games
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so even when you find the Warlock you have to trust them - it could be a Fortune Teller who can fake the ability or some other town role that's just playing well
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:51
Makes sense
19:51
Can you check Jay?
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If they're sneaking it should show as Citizen, if WWW it would show up as wolf
19:52
So you can check for either or really
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:53
nope
19:53
thats not how it works unfortunately
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:53
No?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:53
www imitates the role
19:53
it doesnt just disguise
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:53
But most common role should be normal wolf right?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:53
Actually the role description is slightly unclear on this
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Chickie Owens
But most common role should be normal wolf right?
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:54
I have no idea I only know you, jay, turtle, me and sun
19:54
I thought you mean jay would be imitating sneaking wolf but wouldn't have sneaking wolves's disguise
19:54
misunderstanding
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if jay is imitating wolf but claiming sneaking wolf I can identify it, yes
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i cant identify them if they're claiming sneaking wolf and imitating sneaking wolf
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:56
I see
19:56
If they really are sneaking wolf you would see citizen though right?
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:56
yes
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:56
Alright yea
19:56
Can you do that?
19:57
Logic is they're on of the few checks we have rn, and a weak check is better than no check
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:57
sure will do right after phase change
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:57
If i find something that makes me change my mind before night ill let you know though
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Terry Skinner, PhD
sure will do right after phase change
Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 19:57
Great ty
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Chickie Owens
If i find something that makes me change my mind before night ill let you know though
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 19:57
alr
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Chickie Owens
Great ty
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 21:05
still want me to go for that check? Jayanna as Citizen?
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 21:32
Yea
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 21:32
👍
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Chickie Owens
Yea
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 21:36
result: yes
21:37
you can 100% trust jayanna: Option 1) I'm telling the truth: Jayanna can be trusted Option 2) I'm lying, thus I'm the WWW, thus Jayanna can be trusted (as there's only one WWW) (edited)
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 21:48
Great, ty
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 22:15
follow up from #wolfpack confirmed SKs: • White Werewolf (due to a amount of wolfish players) • Wisp (due to krem's death) • Pyromancer (due to existence of a Wisp)
22:16
3 more SKs are needed
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-10-2023 22:16
Solo Killing
Demon Demon (Hell Team) Devil Devil (Hell Team) PlagueBearer Plague Bearer (Plague Team) Pyromancer Pyromancer (Pyro Team) Wisp Wisp (Pyro Team) WhiteWerewolf White Werewolf (White Wolves) ApocalypticHorseman Apocalyptic Horseman (Horsemen Team; T) BitterHag Bitter Hag (Coven Team; T) HorsemanofDeath Horseman of Death (Horsemen Team) Firebug Firebug (Pyro Team) Reaper Reaper (Nightmare Team) Wraith Wraith (Nightmare Team)
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 22:16
The only allowed options are: • Demon • Devil • Plague Bearer • Wisp • Pyromancer • White Werewolf
22:17
Due to amount of wolfish players + the fact that having 2 wws in a game is fundamentally broken we know its not a second WWW
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demon requires a devil to exist
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We have not seen any signs of devil afaik?
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Usually by this time somebody would've admitted to getting the wager (or at least in #wolfpack), so this seems to mean there's no devil
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if there's no devil, there's no demon
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This reduces the list of possible solos to • Plague Bearer • Wisp • Pyromancer
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With 3 missing solos, having 3 more solos out of pyromancer team would be fundamentally incompatible with how a game should reasonably operate
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I would conclude the solo setup is thus as follows: • White Werewolf (Confimed) • Wisp (Confirmed) • Pyromancer (Confirmed) • Pyromancer * ** • Plague Bearer * • Plague Bearer * * I believe a three player pyro team to less volatile than a three player plague team - even a single plague bearer would be very volatile and we usually only do a PB PC 2p plague team, but PC can't be in game, so the plague team must be made completely out of PBs. Three seems unrealistic, so I believe there to be 3 pyros and 3 plague team members ** As Wisps are alone and Pyros in a group, I think it would be a second pyro over a second wisp. That way both solo teams would have a 2p core group (edited)
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 22:38
I see
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What are the chances Turtle died to plague
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There's 3 (?) TK
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If he did then we're at risk too
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 22:39
its possible he died to plague
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if he was a direct contamination during N1
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however
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he would've known start of N3
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and told us
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yeah so it didnt happen
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 22:40
Ohh is that how it works
22:40
Alright good
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Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 22:40
you learn you have the plague start of the 2nd night after contamination and die end of that night
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n1 contamination (earliest possible) -> learn of it start of N3, die end of N3
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Most likely Assassin (if it exists) or Witch got him
22:41
I placed my bet on Witch
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Terry Skinner, PhD
this seem right? Swurtle - Sneaking Wolf - kill supermoon - CS - kill arch - Alpha Wolf - kill sun - lynch turtle - witch - kill babi - lynch krem - wisp - kill (edited)
Terry Skinner, PhD 02-10-2023 22:41
this is the list of deaths im claiming so far
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Chickie Owens 02-10-2023 22:41
Checks out yeah
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