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Baker

The Bakers is a trusted townsfolk group containing all the bakers and nobody else. Should a baker turn into a wolf, all the bakers turn into butchers, however if a baker betrays the group in any other way, the other bakers will not know. Whenever the wolfpack kills a Baker for the first time, they will be able to attack an additional time in the next night.

@Participant Please note that Bakers have received a major change

hi other baker

Hihi

Evil Ts

@Participant Please note that Bakers have received a major change

Good thing I don't remember how they used to work!

23:00

I assume it's the wolfpack kill(?

yea

Epic

I'm not sure what the optimal strat is for bakers with this change in play

00:41

Def not claiming before d1

00:41

Even a d1 claim seems risky though

00:41

We probably need to collect some info via ccs

hi do u think we should claim if noone does

11:34

like to get a secure rep

Hm

12:50

The reason I didn't want to do that is us getting killed would be very bad

yea thats true

12:50

i got a amne info too

I was considering one of us fake claims a town role there's only one of

12:50

Then if only one person counter claims

12:51

They are mostlikely real (not too many people are dead still)

12:51

And as we are a group we can privately claim to them kind of reliably

but we are fucked if they sus us for ctcing

But it's risky

Merchant Lauch

but we are fucked if they sus us for ctcing

Not as bad if we manage to kind of confirm them

i think u should do that if u want bc u got better experience than me

hmm

12:53

I'm not very good at this though lmao

bc i think it can get out of hand pretty esaly

I was hoping ft would be able to get some sort of town trust going in the background

well ur dev better than me

So hopefully that's been happening

i could confirm u afterwards as baker if u want

Brewer

So hopefully that's been happening

yea

The only disguises in play are sneaky wolf and famine

12:54

So fortune teller should be quite powerful

yea

12:55

we dont have info about who is him tho

12:55

so we have nothing to get from him for now

Vera hasn't been attacked as mayor

13:05

Which is strange

13:05

But maybe there's a reason for it

13:05

Also one of the deaths must be from N1 horseman of death

prolly they got info from nicks role and killed him

13:14

it could still be that vera is ww

13:15

if they diside to kill someone else than vera we could expect for vera to be bad

Possible

13:15

Not very reliable though

13:15

Too many strats for werewolves in this situation

yeye true

13:19

we could alsow fake a info to vera like ft or something else and see if wws kill that person afterwards. if they do it would make vera sus af

I don't think vera would fall for that

idk we could make it trustworthy

13:21

like im claiming to vera that my role is ft and if i die shes bad

That's not worth

but still she could see thro that

Because once a baker dies, wolves get two kills the next night

oh true

We want to not become a target

didnt think of that

13:22

kk lets not do that then

13:23

its a really intresting role

13:24

baker i mean

Well

13:24

It is interesting

13:24

It's probably more balanced with the extra kill thing than it was before

13:24

But man does it feel constraining to play now

Brewer

It's probably more balanced with the extra kill thing than it was before

what did baker do before?

13:25

were they just there

Same thing, just without the extra kill

si citizens with a sc

They were just a group that knew each other at the start of the game

oh ok

I think this change is to balance the role against claim collecting d1

13:26

Because otherwise public claiming becomes a dominant strategy

13:27

This way it could be considered

ah that makes sense

But honestly fake claiming publicly is most likely better

it doesmake it more balanced

Considering our options for public claiming: Amnesiac: why? Citizen: why?? Baker: yeah we don't want to get killed Coroner: why would a TI claim publicly Medium: mayybe? Assassin: I think the only person who would publicly claim assassin is swurtle Fortune Teller: wtf even Ranger: already taken

13:31

So medium is the only kind of reasonable one

13:31

Amne could work

yea idk

We missed our chance on ranger

one amne claimed to me already

It would actually probably have been a good idea

Merchant Lauch

one amne claimed to me already

wait what

13:33

who was it

Brewer

We missed our chance on ranger

well we would have had to deal with 2 other ctcs then

please let me know when you get any info

Brewer

who was it

ghost queen

13:33

they tradet to me and then gave me an info

13:34

they became child tho

huh

13:34

Interesting

13:34

Child is viable

i told them to claim but he didnt come online yet

13:35

it would be best if they get rep bc the 2 ranger claims

Merchant Lauch

i told them to claim but he didnt come online yet

nnonono

13:35

they shouldn't publicly claim

why not tho

13:36

would be a role without ctc

because there would be an immediate ctc xD

13:37

Wolves would early target child if it's a legit claim too

13:37

Because early lynches are less powerful for town than late lynches

13:37

We don't know shit

oh

13:38

alright that makes sence

Amnesiacs are kind of iffy for known roles

13:38

Because trusting them is very unreliable

true

13:39

we dont know if he is actually good

13:39

he could always be faking it too (edited)

I have an idea

13:41

But idk if it's a great idea

13:41

It relies on ft being alive

13:41

And I don't know if they are alive

13:42

Public claiming amne but not saying the role

13:42

Asking for fortune teller to check me so we can establish town trust

13:42

And giving reporter to someone else

13:42

But that may just get me killed

13:43

Wolves probably shouldn't attack an amne claim without knowing their role because they aren't getting things like baker or assassin

13:43

Also amne can be things like runner or macho

13:44

But idk if it helps much to get that fake claim out there

13:44

If it gets us in contact with ft it'd be good

13:48

There's a ~17.66% chance FT is dead

13:48

Which isn't great odds but also not terrible

is ft gonna sea ur role or just ur alignment?

Role

ok

13:55

yea u could try that i think it would be a good shot

I could claim immediately at the start of the night

13:55

Since it's when ft checks

but if wws try to kill u bc ur the only one who claimed it would be bad

Not too cerain on it

13:55

Wws have better targets

13:55

But maybe they target me

13:56

Idk

yeye but idk if they prefer to kill random

13:56

idk too

It just feels like if we do nothing we will just lose

u could try that tho

Because there's been 3 kills already and no visible progress for town

13:56

Maybe there's progress and we don't know about it

yea u got a point there

But that's still bad, because that means town would be playing without the bakers

13:57

Which is still a significant disadvantage

if we had a town trusted cc already someone would have asked us for info already. i would assume

Likely but not certain

yea

13:58

u can give it a shot with the amne claim

It's concerning we don't have a good choice for reporter

mhm

14:01

we could make u rep if u claim amne but it would prolly be ctced

14:01

and ft can check u aftewards

14:02

and then they would know u wernet amne but that ur still good

Merchant Lauch

we could make u rep if u claim amne but it would prolly be ctced

Then I'd be killed right away

14:03

And wolves would get two kills

14:03

We could mega bluff it

14:04

And assume they are going to think I'm runner or some shit

14:04

But I think that's too hopeful

14:04

And it's likely to just be very bad

14:06

ahhh

14:06

FT likely to check ranger?

14:06

Well

14:09

There is an issue with this strat

14:10

Horseman of famine could doom me

14:10

Also horseman of death tbf

14:10

But famine is worse because it stops FT

14:10

And they have two doom targets per night so they can very easily do it

14:10

14:13

If we were to do this, the claim would be something like: @.Participant Now that it's nighttime, I claim Amnesiac. Not publicly telling which role I turned into, there's strong reasons for it. To town: I'm asking for Fortune Teller to check me ASAP and get in contact. There's no disguise that can fake my role in play, and we need to get communication going before too many kills happen. I ask to be checked over ranger since that can be confirmed via their role effect To the horsemen: From this play you can be certain I'm not one of you. It's probably best if you focus on finding each other for now. To the wolves: Good evening, fellow human. It is I, human man. I do not wear any costume this year. That is for sure! It is a nice-looking moon we have today, correct? (edited)

14:20

The problem with this strat is that it's a gamble whether FT or famine acts first

14:20

Which I absolutely hate

14:20

Immediate disguise is cringe

Brewer

Horseman of famine could doom me

btw i was doomed last night

.

Sad

Brewer

If we were to do this, the claim would be something like: @.Participant Now that it's nighttime, I claim Amnesiac. Not publicly telling which role I turned into, there's strong reasons for it. To town: I'm asking for Fortune Teller to check me ASAP and get in contact. There's no disguise that can fake my role in play, and we need to get communication going before too many kills happen. I ask to be checked over ranger since that can be confirmed via their role effect To the horsemen: From this play you can be certain I'm not one of you. It's probably best if you focus on finding each other for now. To the wolves: Good evening, fellow human. It is I, human man. I do not wear any costume this year. That is for sure! It is a nice-looking moon we have today, correct? (edited)

well u could do that yea

Does it tell you which one?

what does that do anyways

Brewer

Does it tell you which one?

wym

14:26

it just toled me i was doomed

Ok so it doesn't tell you which one

14:29

Hopefully it wasn't death

no

14:29

i got another info from the amne

14:29

he has a suspition on tank to be horsmen

Hm

14:30

Btw, do you know why are they giving you info?

he told me it was bc he was doomed last night too prolly he has some more context to it

Seems strange without any reason to trust you I guess

14:30

Hm

Brewer

Btw, do you know why are they giving you info?

idk bc they trust me prolly

Btw, people shouldn't share when they are doomed

14:31

Just in case it gives info to the horses

well its not forbidden isit?

It's not

and i know ur not the horse

But for town it's a bad idea

14:31

Yeah, you can tell me

14:31

But amne shouldn't tell people probably

dont the horses know who they doom?

Brewer

But amne shouldn't tell people probably

yea idk why he trusts me

14:32

it could always be that hes faking all of it but i dont think so

Merchant Lauch

dont the horses know who they doom?

But not who the others do

14:35

Horses start separated and have to find each other

14:35

Doomed people can't be horses

14:35

So knowing who's doomed helps them massively

ohh ok so some horses doom and some kill the doomed players without knowing whos doomed

I still think it's a bad idea for Ghost to claim

16:59

But I can't tell him

yeye i said that

Because I'm not supposed to know his role xD

to him in cc

epic

Did you get an amnesiac three role list from Ghost?

18:23

I just remembered

Yes

18:27

It was

18:28

Cornoror inkeeper child

18:28

And he became child

huh

What huh?

I find it slightly strange coroner would be there

18:36

But I don't think any real conclusion can be drawn from that

18:36

It's just weird that the other two roles other than child are investigative roles

18:36

Much more powerful than child

Idk

Hey, so about this mess

18:59

We lynch these two goobers because neither can be trusted

18:59

Both are either misplaing terribly or scum

18:59

Also there's some weird votes going on in the polls

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