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Werewolves Bot B BOT 12-Jun-23 01:51 PM
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Afraid Lone Wolf
Basics
Each night, the Lone Wolf may attack one player. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf joins the wolfpack.
Details
The Lone Wolf doesn’t know the other werewolves, and starts off all alone; they are not a member of the wolfpack. However, they are still a lycan. Each night, they may target one player. If their target is townsfolk aligned, the Lone Wolf attacks them. If they are wolfish, the Lone Wolf dies (not an attack). If they are neither, the target isn't attacked and both the Lone Wolf and the target live. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Attacking a player is an end-night ability.
Modifier
Afraid is a modifier which causes the player to escape the first attack on them as if they were a scared wolf. Modifiers are added onto another role.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 03:24 PM
Jay might be Bart Ender
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 06:37 PM
@Host is it illegal if I kill whoever fucking unnecessarily pings again?
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Tin-star tamer 12-Jun-23 06:37 PM
Chaos :)
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Vet His Slot? 12-Jun-23 06:37 PM
Chaos :)
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Tin-star tamer 12-Jun-23 06:37 PM
just know if they're a wolf you die
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 06:38 PM
Don't care, I'll be doing everyone a favour
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sounds fair (edited)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 06:52 PM
Based Ts
18:53
I take suggestions for kills
18:53
I'm a hitman
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Vet His Slot? 12-Jun-23 10:07 PM
@Participant Attack
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 10:18 PM
@Host I think Katy might be Bartender, therefore I attack Katy
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Vet His Slot? 12-Jun-23 10:18 PM
alr
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 12-Jun-23 10:21 PM
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Thief [Unaligned Align]
Variant Role
Basics
Each night, the Thief chooses one player to switch roles with.
Details (1/2)
When they switch with a player, they become that player's role, and the other player becomes the Thief. Role specific disguises are also switched. Selecting a player to switch with is an immediate effect, but switching roles is an end night action and happens after any other end night actions such as night kills. The Thief can switch with a dead player, if the player was alive when they selected them. When switching with another player, all their channels are switched. Effects such as being powdered are not swapped. Effects are kept after switching, even if a player's new role cannot have that effect. In those cases the effect becomes dormant and does nothing; it will become active again if the player once again switches role. If the Thief does not select a target, a random player is chosen. Each Thief may only select players that have never been that thief before.
Details (2/2)
The Thief wins if they are still alive at the end of the game or alternatively if there's no or only Unaligned players left to select, the Thief immediately ascends and wins. This can happen immediately after selecting a player. The Thief's ability is more powerful than any other mechanic (even more powerful than those that claim they are the most powerful). If a Thief switches with a member of Hell, the current member of Hell betrays their team and becomes a Thief. Effectively the Thief changes the player behind the role, so if a demon switches with a thief, the demon doesn't truly betray the hell team - just the player behind the demon has changed. If the Thief switches with a member of a cupid couple, that member betrays the couple to become a thief and the former thief joins the couple instead. The Thief is not affected by redirections.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 10:28 PM
Why do I have the feeling there is no pack? xD
22:31
why do I have the feeling the first letters of the names are the teams/alignments
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes
why do I have the feeling the first letters of the names are the teams/alignments
Tin-star tamer 12-Jun-23 10:44 PM
you're the hoe
22:44
alignment
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nomad pitchman, Tomi 12-Jun-23 10:50 PM
m_ts
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 12-Jun-23 10:54 PM
Yassss
22:54
@nomad pitchman, Tomi you're my pimp now
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 12:12 PM
❗ Could not find role ``.
12:12
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Rupert [Unaligned Cute]
Basics
Rupert is the cutest big baby in the whole wide world.
Details
Rupert cannot be killed. Rupert cannot die. Rupert cannot lose.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 12:12 PM
HA
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 12:24 PM
if Katy was bartender, then holy shit i'm a god
12:25
katy was in fact not bartender
12:28
FUCK
12:28
SWURTLE IS BARTENDER
12:28
Talks like Swurtle, uses emojis, acts like Swurtle
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 01:19 PM
zombified cupid x0 swindler x0 wraith x0 journalist x0 witch x0 ts x0 cat x0 amulet holder x0 neighbor x0 lupine cupid x0 oracle x0 secret junimo x0 rogue wolf x0 baker x0 undead x0 royal guard x0 trickster wolf x0 burglar x0 mad scientist x0 fletchers customer x0 acrobat x0 blacksmitch x0 horseman of death x0 cryptographer x0 flute apprentice x0 prophetich ag x0 crowd seeker x0 cerberusx0 grandpa x0 aura teller x0 imp x0 unemployed chef x0 master barber x0 saboteur wolf x0 juror x0 blessed wolf x0 ranger x0 hag x0 flaming cupid x0 demonic cupid x0 scared wolf x0 disguised fox x0 horseman of war x0 grandma x0 rupert x0 plagued cupid x0 cursed civilian x0 lover x0 sorceress x0 despot x0 none x0 hellhound x0 wild child x0 idiot x0 hunter x0 walnuts x0 last living citizen x0 citizen x0 fortune teller x0 vicious hag x0 cult acolyte x0 apprentice x0 coward x0
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 01:19 PM
Unaligned Align
Dog Dog Cat Cat LookAlike Look-Alike Cupid Cupid Several Cupid Variants ($i uac) Apprentice Apprentice Thief Thief
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 01:21 PM
wait how did I convince Fed I'm angel?
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 02:46 PM
Nick giving me Riciano vibes with the reading incomprehension
14:52
Swurtle is ravenkeep
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:09 PM
Fuck it, if I live I'm killing Les for the annoying pings
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 03:24 PM
❌ You're not allowed to use this command!
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 03:24 PM
🤨
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:24 PM
tf does $ic do
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 03:25 PM
Something fun 🙂
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 03:25 PM
Lone Wolf | Werewolf Killing Basics Each night, the Lone Wolf may attack one player. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf joins the wolfpack. Details The Lone Wolf doesn’t know the other werewolves, and starts off all alone; they are not a member of the wolfpack. However, they are still a lycan. Each night, they may target one player. If their target is townsfolk aligned, the Lone Wolf attacks them. If they are wolfish, the Lone Wolf dies (not an attack). If they are neither, the target isn't attacked and both the Lone Wolf and the target live. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Attacking a player is an end-night ability.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:26 PM
oh so just rawtext
15:26
what do the other commands ts sent do thonk
15:28
quick question
15:28
let's say the thief steals my role
15:28
and i become thief
15:28
and i know who stole my role
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info commands . - simplified info of selected mode with no erors ; - info of selected mode with no errors $i - info of selected mode $ic - classic info $ics - classic simplified info $if - fancy info $ifs - fancy simplified info $ip - info of selected mode + automatic pin $ie - edits a previously sent info message to another info message of selected mode (+ allows appending) $ia - info of selected mode + appended text
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:29 PM
i can just ping everyone and say they'Re scum, right?
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yea
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:29 PM
based
15:29
sorry val
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info commands . - simplified info of selected mode with no erors ; - info of selected mode with no errors $i - info of selected mode $ic - classic info $ics - classic simplified info $if - fancy info $ifs - fancy simplified info $ip - info of selected mode + automatic pin $ie - edits a previously sent info message to another info message of selected mode (+ allows appending) $ia - info of selected mode + appended text
Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:29 PM
thanks Ts
15:32
idk if Val get's to steal my channel (hi Val)
15:34
kill this person
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 03:34 PM
⏺️ Randomizing out of: 🏹, 🐓, thight, 🧋, 🎨, 👁🗨, 🖕, ☯️, 🤓, gibagul, 🔥, 🍅, tswoag, 🥖, 🐢, 👻, 🫃, 👌, 🦎, 💀, 🍆
15:34
▶️ Selected @Cleo, Flowed Knifer (💀) (edited)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 03:44 PM
I will be stealing alcoholic off fed >:)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 04:20 PM
guessing Les is actually LW, and there are two lws
16:22
sure would be funny if Les attacks Fed and I steal Fed's role 🥴
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:17 PM
thief is end night
17:17
so i get to kill, right? @Host
17:18
oh you made it immediate
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:18 PM
Yeah about that
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:18 PM
@Host i queue Les kill
17:18
lock that anwser, make it unchangable
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:28 PM
Killq HelpNot a valid command
17:28
⛔ Syntax error. Unknown command qk!
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:28 PM
haha
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:28 PM
❌ You're not allowed to use this command!
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KQAK
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:28 PM
ye i know
17:28
i wasnt sure if it was kqak
17:29
i have it written down, somewhere
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kqak is illegal
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:29 PM
for me, yes, for Ts [Admin Killing] no
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yea
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:29 PM
Can we see Ts [Admin Killing] in action someday?
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sure
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:30 PM
❌ This command can only be executed in game master channels! Make a channel a game master channel by setting its topic to GMSAFE!
17:30
✳ Adding 1 player (Hoper Hang Hoecakes) to the kill queue!
17:30
✅ Added Hoper Hang Hoecakes to the kill queue!
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:30 PM
ooh
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You're sure about this?
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:30 PM
Woohoo
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:30 PM
hepi
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:30 PM
Do the $kq killall
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:31 PM
>:(
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alright
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:31 PM
Kill Queue | Total: 1 🍅 - Hoper Hang Hoecakes/relaxedmato - Merged
17:31
✳ Killing 1 player!
17:31
✅ Killed Hoper Hang Hoecakes!
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:31 PM
L
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:34 PM
@Host was this an attack?
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:34 PM
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Ts [Admin Killing]
Joke Role
This role type is currently not in use.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:34 PM
👀
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I HAVE BEEN DISABLED NOOOO
17:34
noowaoa
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:35 PM
Ts is disabled?
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:35 PM
>:))
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I have re-enabled myself
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:36 PM
wait, can I confirm my own $kq killall poll?
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only GMs should have permission to confirm $confirm commands
17:36
the gif thing runs over a different system
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:37 PM
you sure? wanna test it out? >:)
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:37 PM
Kill Queue | Total: 0
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give it a try
17:37
huh
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:37 PM
>:(
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:37 PM
✳ Killing 0 players!
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oh im not a GM
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:37 PM
L
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:38 PM
⛔ Syntax error. Invalid Player: ts!
17:38
⛔ Syntax error. No valid players!
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:38 PM
:(
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:38 PM
❌ You're not allowed to use this command!
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:38 PM
Ethan, why do you have such an oofed username :(
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was ethan trying to killq me??
17:39
rude?
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes
Ethan, why do you have such an oofed username :(
Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
cause Ethan wasn't available
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
Kill Queue | Total: 0
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
:)
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but its empty
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
Kill Queue | Total: 0
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
You're not a player
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:39 PM
❌ You're not allowed to use this command!
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Tin-star tamer
You're not a player
and that stopped you?
17:41
pathetic
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:41 PM
Kill Queue | Total: 1 ▪️ - Tin-star tamer/e_thsn - Host Host
17:41
Kill Queue | Total: 1 ▪️ - Tin-star tamer/e_thsn - Host Host
17:41
✳ Killing 1 player!
17:41
✅ Killed Tin-star tamer!
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:41 PM
Deserved
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:42 PM
No Dead Host? 👀
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:42 PM
I'm @Dead Participant
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:42 PM
# DEAD (edited)
17:45
Let's say Thief steals my Role. Then I can steal any Elected Role too, right?
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 05:45 PM
nope
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:45 PM
Where does it say I cant?
17:45
All i know is i cant target fed bc fed was thief before
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:46 PM
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Thief [Unaligned Align]
Variant Role
Basics
Each night, the Thief chooses one player to switch roles with.
Details (1/2)
When they switch with a player, they become that player's role, and the other player becomes the Thief. Role specific disguises are also switched. Selecting a player to switch with is an immediate effect, but switching roles is an end night action and happens after any other end night actions such as night kills. The Thief can switch with a dead player, if the player was alive when they selected them. When switching with another player, all their channels are switched. Effects such as being powdered are not swapped. Effects are kept after switching, even if a player's new role cannot have that effect. In those cases the effect becomes dormant and does nothing; it will become active again if the player once again switches role. If the Thief does not select a target, a random player is chosen. Each Thief may only select players that have never been that thief before.
Details (2/2)
The Thief wins if they are still alive at the end of the game or alternatively if there's no or only Unaligned players left to select, the Thief immediately ascends and wins. This can happen immediately after selecting a player. The Thief's ability is more powerful than any other mechanic (even more powerful than those that claim they are the most powerful). If a Thief switches with a member of Hell, the current member of Hell betrays their team and becomes a Thief. Effectively the Thief changes the player behind the role, so if a demon switches with a thief, the demon doesn't truly betray the hell team - just the player behind the demon has changed. If the Thief switches with a member of a cupid couple, that member betrays the couple to become a thief and the former thief joins the couple instead. The Thief is not affected by redirections.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:47 PM
When switching with another player, all their channels are switched. Effectively the Thief changes the player behind the role,...
17:47
Meaning, I could steal elected roles
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:47 PM
The elective channels don't count because it's not their channel 🙄
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:47 PM
Each Thief may only select players that have never been that thief before.
but this, sadly
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Vet His Slot?
The elective channels don't count because it's not their channel 🙄
Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:47 PM
yeah, but mayor is a role
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:48 PM
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Mayor [Extra Elected]
Basics
The Mayor leads the town. They have the privilege of being able to post in #story_time. When there are more than 15 living players, each night the Mayor chooses whether a second player will be lynched during the next day. When there are 15 or less living players, the Mayor instead receives an extra vote in polls.
Details
The Mayor can be a powerful role to help either the innocent team or the werewolves team, but they tend to garner a lot of attention and may be killed quickly. If the Mayor misuses their ability to post in #story_time, they may be demoted or killed at the discretion of the Game Masters. If the mayor chooses that two people should be lynched, there will be a second lynch poll during the next day. The Mayor's extra vote cannot be nullified, stolen or removed under any circumstances. If the Mayor's normal vote is a negative vote, the extra vote becomes a negative vote too.
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:48 PM
The Mayor can be a powerful role to help either the innocent team or the werewolves team,...
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 05:49 PM
❌ You're not allowed to use this command!
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:52 PM
@Thor Save so, what's your oppinion on this. Can Thief steal elected roles? It doesn't say otherwise
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In the past I dont think elected roles switch, but if we follow the role desc it would also suggest that it switches elected roles
17:54
after all effects are explicitly excluded and elected roles are not
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:55 PM
Ts, when and if I become Thief, you mind giving yourself Participant next Night Phase?
17:55
you cannot switch into Ts role
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:55 PM
Uhhhh
17:55
Shhhhh
17:55
I can :D
17:55
As long as you are a player
17:56
= you having @Participant
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:56 PM
Sorry mato but Ts decided to not be a participant anymore. But it’s okay because he’s losing points for gamethrowing
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:56 PM
okay
17:57
why is he gamethrowing tho
17:57
either ia or suspended
17:57
or rage quit ig
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I want to collect as many different game results as possible
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 05:57 PM
He signed up and had a team depending on him realsad
17:57
Poor Ts’ team being abandoned
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I have Alliance so I have potential to collect a lot of results
17:57
I just need Inactive, Cheated, Gamethrew, Tie and Draw
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:58 PM
I mean, whenever I've played with Ts, he figured shit out like D2
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Alliance is the hardest to achieve I think
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:58 PM
and we pretty much just ff'd the game
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Last season one of the games I played got ended mid-N1
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:59 PM
was it the noise game?
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i was so sad the game would've played out hilariously
17:59
no
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:59 PM
My memory is shit
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I claimed Tanner, got all wolves, got investigated by TI and picked by the Devil (and found TG too) all in N1 (edited)
17:59
it would've been so satisfying to play that game but then it got ended with a town win pensivebread (edited)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 05:59 PM
>:(
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 06:00 PM
We should unban noise
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:00 PM
yeah, have a game with Guillo, noise, Riciano, other cheaters
18:01
it's like watching a hacker only lobby
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Vet His Slot? 13-Jun-23 06:01 PM
Winner gets unbanned 🙂
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there's 23 results
18:01
jeez
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:01 PM
yes
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i only have like 6 different results im not even close
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:02 PM
huh?
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Thor Save
I want to collect as many different game results as possible
my justification for gamethrowing
18:03
I want to collect as many results as possible
18:03
like "Win", "Loss", "Inactive", "Gamethrew"
18:03
apparently there's 23 of them
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:04 PM
list them
18:04
how are there 23 results
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and I have 6 so far (Win, Loss, Alliance, Cancelled, Substituted, Former Loss)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:04 PM
what is alliance again?
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Standard: Win, Loss Draw/Tie: Tie, Draw Public Inactive: PIA Win, PIA Loss Role Change: Alliance, Loss Alignment, Win Alignment, Draw Alignment, Former Loss, Former Win, Former Draw, RC Inactive Neative Results: Cheated, Gamethrew, Inactive Substituted, Inactive, Rule Breaking Not a Result: Invalid, Unknown, Substituted, Cancelled
18:05
thats all of them
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes
what is alliance again?
changing from a losing team to a winning team, but already allying with the winning team before changing role
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Thor Save
Standard: Win, Loss Draw/Tie: Tie, Draw Public Inactive: PIA Win, PIA Loss Role Change: Alliance, Loss Alignment, Win Alignment, Draw Alignment, Former Loss, Former Win, Former Draw, RC Inactive Neative Results: Cheated, Gamethrew, Inactive Substituted, Inactive, Rule Breaking Not a Result: Invalid, Unknown, Substituted, Cancelled
Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:06 PM
holy shit
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Thor Save
changing from a losing team to a winning team, but already allying with the winning team before changing role
this is generally banned since S3 (with some very convoluted exceptions, one of which came up in last thief's hell)
18:06
I was Devil and Bart was Vamp, we were both alone with no hope of winning, so we allied, I wager him, he kills demonized person 1, I use soul to kill demonized person 2, then I wager one of the new undead next and repeat until we win (edited)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:06 PM
i mean, can I ally with town rn/shortly before phase change and then betray pack?
18:07
since theoretically im lw (pack) and will get thiefed?
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uh how can you be sure about that
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:07 PM
thats kinda difficult and unlikely tho
18:07
ye
18:08
so in case of an alliance, how do the results look like? both teams winning?
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Alliance exists as it replaced "Former Loss" which gives you very few points
18:08
in the old Vyryn rating system I was listed as a Devil Live Win which was technically inacurate as the game ends with me killing myself, turning myself udnead
18:08
nows its just this
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:09 PM
hm inch resting
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the rating is calculated from a combination of both roles. If I had "Former Loss" instead of "Alliance" it would give me very few points
18:09
"Alliance" is equal to "Former Win" (which you would e.g. get if you were a fox and changed into wolf and wolves win) (edited)
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:09 PM
thought as much
18:10
i should start saving my sc with you ts
18:10
so much useful wwr lore
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In the last thief's hell there was also a situation that would've been classified as alliance
18:10
it was some super weird 2 cupid reaper couple madness
18:10
basically I think the Reaper was not actually on Nightmare team bc of the cupids, so they had a different alignment from the people they recruited into their team
18:11
they then turned the cupids into the Nightmare aligned Cupid (cant recall the name) making all of them Nightmare team aligned
18:11
so technically the Cupid-Nightmare aligned-team ceased to exist (and thus lost) in favor of just the pure Nightmare team
18:12
Obviously it would make no sense to rate the Reaper and their Cupids as changing from a losing team to a winning team
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:12 PM
Sometimes, wwr seems really painful to host
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That whole thing was one of the weirdest edge cases I have ever encountered
18:13
and required making a new role mid-game
18:13
(Reaper turns people into Spirit, but Cupids can never change role and we forgot to introduce a Spirit Cupid before game so we had to do it mid-game)
18:13
But hosting Thief's Hell is just asking for horrible situations (edited)
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Standard: Win, Loss Draw/Tie: Tie, Draw Public Inactive: PIA Win, PIA Loss Role Change: Alliance, Loss Alignment, Win Alignment, Draw Alignment, Former Loss, Former Win, Former Draw, RC Inactive Neative Results: Cheated, Gamethrew, Inactive Substituted, Inactive, Rule Breaking Not a Result: Invalid, Unknown, Substituted, Cancelled
Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:14 PM
what's alliance for?
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:14 PM
Backread
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continue reading the SC for two examples and explanation
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:14 PM
ohhhh
18:15
role but not alignment change
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no
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:15 PM
oh
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it's would have won but still won
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I was Devil and Bart was Vamp, we were both alone with no hope of winning, so we allied, I wager him, he kills demonized person 1, I use soul to kill demonized person 2, then I wager one of the new undead next and repeat until we win (edited)
In this example I very much changed from a losing team to a winning team
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But I was always working for the winning team to begin with - we had an Alliance
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:16 PM
ahhhhh
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:17 PM
It's called legal cheating
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so Alliance replaces Former Loss
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but gets rated as Former Win
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:17 PM
ah
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes
It's called legal cheating
yes the Devil/Vamp example was ""legal cheating""
18:17
and the reaper example is edge case insanity
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:17 PM
what about the fox thing
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the Devil/Vamp strat got banned afterwards because it was too effective
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"Alliance" is equal to "Former Win" (which you would e.g. get if you were a fox and changed into wolf and wolves win) (edited)
Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:18 PM
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Tin-star tamer
what about the fox thing
has nothing to do with Alliance
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:18 PM
oh
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ohhh
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thats just when you would get Former Win
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:18 PM
yeah
18:18
realised it lol
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the two examples of alliance are also the only two cases of alliance that have ever happened afaik
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:19 PM
and aliance is different to a draw?
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tie*
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draw is the GM error one
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yes. There is a clear winning team
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In the Devil/Vampire alliance at the end there was only Underworld team
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:20 PM
butyou got marked as alliance cause you always worked with them
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this is the last phase
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yes
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:20 PM
so alliance is just a win but marked as legally cheating
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no
18:21
my final result is a Win
18:21
however my overal rating is calculated out of all the roles I had, since I was Devil (a losing team) for most of the game, I'd get a loser rating
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:21 PM
Would a cupid that is demonised N1 after falling in love with a vampire and being intentionally turned be counted as alliance?
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Even though I was the only reaosn we were able to win
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:21 PM
ohhh
18:22
alliance is an origional role not final role
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Tin-star tamer
Would a cupid that is demonised N1 after falling in love with a vampire and being intentionally turned be counted as alliance?
yes
18:22
but not anymore in V16+
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:22 PM
ofc
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that was the reaper example
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Vampire+Cupid would be a Town-Underworld team
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the best move for them is to have the Cupid become Undead Cupid, leading to the Town-Underworld team ceasing to exist (and thus losing)
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:23 PM
yeah
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since solo allying got banned start of S3 because Bart and me had done it too effectively, Cupid edge cases are the only way to get Alliance
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but with V16+ up it becomes much more difficult if not impossible
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since solo allying got banned start of S3 because Bart and me had done it too effectively, Cupid edge cases are the only way to get Alliance
Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:24 PM
is that cause cc wolf teaming always counted as gamethrowing?
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Hoper Hang Hoecakes 13-Jun-23 06:25 PM
Watch me pull of an alliance (i cheated) as cc
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The original reason I introduce Alliance is because the Devil/Vamp game had me rated as a Live Win Devil instead of a Live Win Undead in the old Vyryn/LoG/Dragon rating system, and I wanted to have an equivalent that makes more sense
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Tin-star tamer
is that cause cc wolf teaming always counted as gamethrowing?
I think it actually didnt, good point
18:25
It's possible that that happened in S1-S2 but is not tracked
18:26
pretty sure it was allowed S1-S2
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Tin-star tamer 13-Jun-23 06:26 PM
huh
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I still think we should make cc uaa that can win with any team but wolves until turned
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then it can choose to betray if it feels wolves might win
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 13-Jun-23 10:19 PM
❗ Hoper Hang Hoecakes switched to Fowl! Incl Keno! ❗
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Fowl! Incl Keno! 15-Jun-23 10:15 PM
@Host what does the ghost role do
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Tin-star tamer 15-Jun-23 10:15 PM
errr
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makes you a ghost in the sidebar
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Fowl! Incl Keno! 15-Jun-23 10:16 PM
oh
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so i ts usless
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 15-Jun-23 10:20 PM
✅ Created #how_the_table_turns!
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Fowl! Incl Keno! 15-Jun-23 10:21 PM
Fed I hope ur happy by stealing my role
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