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Wolfpack

Most of the werewolves (Members of the Werewolf Team) are also part of the wolfpack. All members of the wolfpack know each other and receive a secret channel to communicate among themselves securely. Each night, the wolfpack votes to attack one player. Not all members of the wolfpack necessarily are also werewolves. Unless explicitly listed otherwise, all members of the Werewolf Team are also part of the pack. If there are no werewolves or lycans left in the wolfpack, the wolfpack is disbanded. Lycans Most, but not all members of the Werewolf Team are lycans. This is relevant for roles such as the Priest. Unless explicitly listed otherwise, all members of the Werewolf Team are lycans. Lycans are those members of the werewolf team that truly are werewolves, and not just allies of the werewolves (e.g. while foxes are part of the werewolf team they aren't truly werewolves, so they aren't lycans).

Hello my fellow wolves

16:22

I have a rolelist, kinda

16:23

Can i post the knoweledhe woolf list?

woolf

16:26

yeah

16:26

dont think we can have any evil wolves right

yeah cant have a www

18:11

im the psychic

Knowledge Wolf List TOWN (9) • Fortune Teller • Huntress • Citizen • Other TM (2) • Other TI (1) • Other TK (2) • Town Power (1) WOLVES (5) • Saboteur Wolf • Psychic Wolf • Wolf Miscellaneous (1) • Wolf Killing (1) • Other WP (1) SOLO (2) • ? UNALIGNED (2) • Riding Hood • Unaligned Miscellaneous

18:14

Guessing we have a Tanner?

Town (9) • Fortune Teller • Innkeeper • Huntress • Huntress • Citizen • TM #1 • TM #2 • Mad Scientist • Hooker

Swurtle, Alpha, Snivy

Wolves (5) • Psychic Wolf @sT • Knowledge Wolf @xaeMRde aotl (Innkeeper) • Saboteur Wolf @ilbeooLa (Hooker) • Lone Wolf @esMssraittMe • Tanner ?? Solo (2) • Solo Plague Bearer • Solo Plague Carrier (plague is the best match in this list) Unaligned (2) • Riding Hood • UM Plague Doctor (because of plague) Confirmed (edited)

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18:15

Tanner would be super unbalanced

18:15

its not impossible but it would be incredibly bad balancing

Gotcha

yep im sav

18:15

sab

wolves should be 30% - we're below that

18:16

with those numbers wolfpack should be 4 wolves

18:16

the fact that it isn't is already super weird

18:16

so it must be DF to have some semblance of balance

18:16

and town roles must not suck too much for us

18:17

3 tk? for real

18:17

thats ridiculous

Clairvoyant Fox? Shouldn't it be disguised fox?

wdym? I put DF

3 TKs and 2 TIs and a RH with a 3 man pack

18:18

is this a joke

18:19

we're 100% going to lose this

sT

wdym? I put DF

In the description for the df "Once per game, the Clairvoyant Fox may alternatively..."

at least im in a non empty pack this game

xaeMRde aotl

In the description for the df "Once per game, the Clairvoyant Fox may alternatively..."

oh

18:20

@Host please note in #role-discussions or whatever its called: typo in DF (says CF)

18:20

honestly already dont feel like playing this

18:21

the only way this could be at all fair would be if there was like 2 CCs and CCs suck too

18:22

the KW info is literally worthless as it tells us nothing except that there are a ridiculous amount of TKs reducing our claiming options even further

18:23

if that second TI isn't a Coroner then idk what the list is so I'm gonna assume that

sT

@Host please note in #role-discussions or whatever its called: typo in DF (says CF)

will do

2 ums is honestly suspicious

18:25

could be a wolf sided um, but it's strange, almost seems like a PD

18:26

on the other hand we have a disguise so we need to have at least 2 investigators otherwise the role is worthless

18:26

which is either via a second TI or a Devil

18:26

2 strong TIs would be ridiculously bad balancing so that implies Devil?

18:28

It also seems likely there'd be 2 Huntresses? idk how they'd otherwise fit 3 TK while having some semblance of balance

18:29

based on the rest of the info the TP would likely be one of Hooker, Medium, Herald, Exorcist or Royal Knight

18:33

Hell - Possible, best match with disguisers Pyro - Possible, no arguments for or against Flute - Possible, 2 known obstruction affected roles WW - Impossible Plague - Possible, 2nd UM could be PD Underworld - Unlikely due to meta

how about you claim bakers

19:28

its not gonna work but its one of 3? things we get from the KW list

19:28

actually there's 5 things: • Lone Wolf • DF or Tanner • Riding Hood • Very likely second Huntress • No TG

19:32

hm what we can also do is claim Hooker always a good move

UPDATE @sT @ilbeooLa 1 Other TI Inkeeper 1 Town Power Hooker 2 Other TK 1 More Huntress and 1 Mad Scientist

nice did I complain enough

19:43

epic

19:43

Innkeeper is totally ccable

19:43

Hooker I already said we can cc (edited)

19:43

Huntress as I suspected

19:43

MS is fascinating

sT

nice did I complain enough

yes

Those 4 roles are basically more valuable info than the entire rest of the list

19:46

so looks like the MS either got a solo or a packless wolf (or even both?)

19:50

alright so we got Hooker and Innkeeper I suppose

19:51

so we got all of town except the 2 TMs?

hmmm

cant think of a third good claim so far

huh so there's no confirmable roles actually except MS

20:40

so thats why we dont know the MS

20:43

@Participant can one of you be there tomorrow during the morning/day?

depends what you define as morning

after phase change to day

i could try

we need someone to make a concincing bid for mayor as hooker

20:44

im at work all day so there's no way I could do it

but I'm also sick irl so idk if i'll be awake

optimally you'd claim it before the actual hooker claims it

20:45

that tends to be more convincing

20:45

since we dont know who that is we dont know when (or if) they are going to claim

20:46

the mobile internet of my provider near my work place is down right now so I most likely cant come online for most of the day or at best it takes ages to load the channel and minutes to send a message

sT

@Participant can one of you be there tomorrow during the morning/day?

bit early for me rip

20:49

i can be on by 9am uc

20:49

utc

I mean that works too

20:49

thats like 1 hour after phase change? should be early enough

20:49

public claims usually dont happen at the very start

20:50

so one of you two gets hooker the other innkeeper you can figure it out

20:50

im gonna go with some tbd tm or something since I have the only actual useful power between us

20:50

well saboteur could come in useful if the real hooker turns out to be more convincing (I hope not)

20:51

anyway don't sabotage tonight

20:51

I dont think it helps us to do it at this point

agreed

so who would rather do hooker and a bid for mayor and who would rather do Innkeeper? @Participant

i can do hooker

alright

20:52

actually not 100% sure if Innkeeper is the best way to go

20:53

we can probably do AT instead which could be a stronger claim? Though also Innkeeper is probably the one that seems more believable

innkeeper could be big brain if we check hooker and say there's 2

no

:(

2 hookers in a season game is extraordinarly unlikely

20:55

@ilbeooLa during the night think about who you're going to "sleep" with in case it ends up being relevant

i do my bid as soon as possible after waking up right

sometime early in the day

20:56

not suspiciously early, don't do it before a normal online time for you

20:56

though hopefully early enough that you're first

okie

20:57

ye

oh nice phase change is now

20:58

so then we'll know whether we got a tanner or df

Poll #ban

21:00

️ - @uwStrel

- @frtgul t byVu aaorcle aa 4️⃣ - @etrahrptee

- @wko_unn2n4

- @arhlSElacri

- @ikN802026c

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- @esMssraittMe

- @xaeMRde aotl

- @ilbeooLa

️‍⚧️ - @nyBKYtaailP

- @phlvAiaik

- @rth kemenbil

️ - @sT

- @vi3yn-c1AeS

- @00d8d0d

- @sRabiu

- @Jnceha A rD.

- @Diensn ❓ - Random

good poll name

you can name them

$poll new private <name>

oh, well that one was random

Captain etrseLUffy

good poll name

i agree, who do we wanna ban?

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21:01

▶️ Selected @phlvAiaik (

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we are not the wolfpack, we are the reddit mod group (edited)

sure

21:02

im gonna cc alpha about decoding storytime

add me too, will start decoding a bit later

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21:17

▶️ Selected @rth kemenbil (

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anyone wanna try to get a read on krem (edited)

okay ill take that as a no and i cant be bothered to do anything else myself either after spending 2 hours on that storytime

23:00

we can have good strategies later

23:01

ill vote in the morning

23:02

i have an alarm set so I shouldn't miss it, so don't vote for now in case something comes up

i can try ig but wouldnt i need to offer a claim trade

probably

23:07

as a general very bad guess people that engage in conversations are less likely to be import roles

23:08

so for example I'd conclude swurtle and snivy have a slightly decreased chance of being a vulnerable power role

23:09

there's not really a good way of trying to get reads on people during the early phases so this is generally the only thing you can base anything on even if it sucks

23:10

it kinda makes sense, players that do anything are more likely to be noticed and thus more likely to be targets even if it isn't even game related

23:10

technically you're not allowed to choose your actions based on stuff like that though, but idk how hard the Hosts are actually regulating that

23:11

personally I pretty much never ask if their choice is based on actually game relevant reason or just "this person was talking"

23:13

its actually a very complicated gray zone. Can a FT check a more active player based on the assumption that more active players are more likely to be the defensive town roles, thus giving active wws a disadvantage thonk

thonk

I got 5 """"reads"""", take this with a chance just a bit above chance: I believe Swurtle, Snivy and Alpha are less likely to be good roles and Harp and Mat are more likely to be good roles.

23:38

huh wait we dont have a strong TK

23:38

I didn't realize until now

23:41

so I guess "good role" comes down to lone wolf, fortune teller, innkeeper, solo maybe more

23:41

who would want to stay hidden

23:43

wait we have a tanner

23:43

that took me way too long to realize

23:44

@Host if a DF doesn't choose a disguise they auto choose Citizen, we would be informed that they chose Citizen if this happened, right?

sT

@Host if a DF doesn't choose a disguise they auto choose Citizen, we would be informed that they chose Citizen if this happened, right?

yep

perfect so its tanner confirmed

23:45

mato and me were both somewhat loud so if we got lucky tanner picked one of us

This is the best I got so far, people didn't talk a lot, this is based on activity alone (so dont expect high accuracy), so im unsure if its allowed, but im not saying "kill active people", im saying "active people are those that are less worried about getting meta killed for activity" which I don't think qualifies as meta: online

online

Huntress, Citizen, Mad Scientist, Hooker, Assistant, Bard, Bartender, Child, Idiot, Journalist, Macho, Ranger, Runner, Town Crier, Riding Hood, Angel, Chef, Despot, Riding Hood offline

offline

Fortune Teller, Innkeeper, Cursed Civilian, Fortune Apprentice, Trickster, Lone Wolf, Tanner, Pyromancer, Plague Bearer, Plague Carrier, Psychopath or Plague Doctor + Devil, Demon, Flute Player, Flute Apprentice offline

offline

Harp, Mat

online

Swurtle, Alpha, Snivy

Mato, Leila, Ts unknown

unknown

Vera, Risabu, unknown, Nick, krem, ddd, Arch, Katy, Sharl, Dennis (edited)

00:05

In the

offline

category the bad targets are: FPA, FP, Devil, Demon, Tanner and Lone Wolf, so if we can eliminate some of those (which is why I asked in #town_square) we can make that category a decent one to attack

00:06

This role list seems made for Plague (3 TKs that do targetting, Hooker, FT, PW, Saboteur Wolf which isnt particularly useful to us, Tanner which can spread to several, and an unknown UM that could be PD)

00:06

yeah thinking about it it makes a ton of sense

00:07

explains why we got a MS and 2 Huntresses

00:07

there really is an unusual amount of targetting

00:07

90% sure its Plague, its an absolutely perfect fit for this list

00:12

alright so I think a good plan is to wait a bit for a response, if nobody got the wager which I think it's likely, we can eliminate hell and flute wouldnt be an issue unless we're enchanted ourselves, so whatever. It's Plague though That reduces the category to great (FT, Innkeeper, CC), decent (FA, Trickster, Pyromancer, Plague Team, Psychopath), bad (Plague Doctor) and two horrible targets (Lone Wolf, Tanner). We can use the PW check to check the target for LW leaving just Tanner (which we have no way of checking as they'll have disguised themselves) and PD (would be pretty bad, but survivable)

00:13

I think in general checking for LW is better than checking for RH. Hitting LW is pretty much as bad as hitting RH (LW hit is -1 wolf, RH hit is -1 night, which is equivalent), except that I think RH is more likely to just be a player that talks

00:14

actually killing LW is at minimum as bad as checking for RH, but could be worse (if they had gotten more kills)

00:15

so when I said at the very start of the game that the only thing I can do is check for RH, I was wrong. The right move even back then was to check for LW

00:18

okay so who do we want to kill, mat or harp?

00:25

@Participant anyone have an opinion on whether mat or harp is the better target? Maybe someone can cc them?

00:25

Last time I cced mat I claimed Tanner

00:25

so I dont want to cc her

00:25

and I don't think harp would trust me either lol

i can cc someone

00:26

uhhh i can cc mat

yeah sure just do it

or both

I mean any info is probably good

should i offer to trade claims with my hooker claim?

oh right youre the hooker

00:27

hm

00:27

yeah probably

cool

could be sus if the person you told dies but they'll probably not be able to share that

00:28

and its convenient because I think its unlikely those two are hooker

00:28

so that works out well

00:28

honestly just seeing whether they're responsive is already useful info

00:29

cause if they are that supports my theory

00:29

if they just dont reply they might just actually be busy

yeah harper might be asleep at this time

Im mainly basing my suspicious of them based on the fact that they usually shitpost a significant amount and both sent several messages spread out throughout the day but nothing significant

00:30

which I think is unusual

and mat said shes busy now too

00:31

but responded very fast

00:31

and gave a specific reason

hm

00:31

not sure what to take from that

00:32

hm it is kinda defensive

00:36

wish we had a proper check and not just a single PW one pensivebread

pensivebread

00:36

not saying that'd be balanced, but I still want it

00:39

you cced both and harp didn't reply, right?

00:44

you know what we cant kill mat

00:44

@Host is ok to not kill mat because they died n1 several times recently

I mean yeah if you don't wanna kill someone N1 you don't have to, unless you have a valid reason to kill them and you refuse to kill them

well im suspecting mat or harp

00:46

we'll check one for LW and then kill them

00:46

we can either or, leila was figuring it out

I mean yeah, you don't need a reason not to kill someone if it's a n1 random kill

we can just do harp (unless shes LW) and mat gets to play

00:46

I mean its not random

00:47

we were trying to decide between them

00:48

if leila's ccs dont go anywhere I can also make my own to make a decision based on game factors

sT

you cced both and harp didn't reply, right?

harp replied just now

ah, what did she say?

just hi

epic

I asked rn if she wants to trade claims

alright perfect

00:50

if she claims Hooker, MS, Huntress we'll check & kill mat

00:50

otherwise we'll check & kill her?

did anything happen

00:58

I have no patience

the t in ts does NOT stand for paTience

i hate werewolves

00:59

I cant stop

00:59

until I've overthought everyone for 5 hours straight

lmao

no it didnt <3

you could almost spell it paTienS

01:01

I cant sleep until we've chosen a target

patience e e e is a virtue e e e my child. and you are the least virtuous of them all.

I cant see the ccs, but we should kill mat from them

01:03

unless harp only said hi

01:03

actually thats completely possible

01:03

im assuming people send messages

01:03

when in fact ive probably sent 50% of the total messages this game because I cant stop

whats the check activity command

$p msgs

lmao

okay since it looks like were not getting anything from those ccs I did $roll and it gave mat

yep harper probably aslee0 now

since Hosts werent clear if we could not kill mat if she was a good target it looks like its mat

uh I didnt check Mat

wdym

I was gonna check whoever we kill for if they are LW

01:43

I forgot

oh

ok shes lone wolf

01:43

unvote

POG

I dont want to deal with this im going to sleep anyway lol

01:44

ill figure it out tomorrow or something

okay

or you do something if you want

01:44

good night

at least we found lw

01:45

I'll talk to mat

01:45

if shes up

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▶️ Selected @rth kemenbil (

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▶️ Selected @phlvAiaik (

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lets kill krem and alpha?

07:39

probably not alpha they're on the defensive roles list

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▶️ Selected @vi3yn-c1AeS (

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snivy too

thight

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▶️ Selected @Diensn (

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okay so we're killing dennis and krem (hopefully mat wakes up) hopefully getting two townies

08:03

they both seem somewhat unlikely to be Huntress/Hooker/Mad Scientist/Hell/Flute so maybe we even get a TI if we're lucky

08:03

then during the day leila claims Hooker and tries to get Mayor

08:04

Mato you should probably think of a check you would've done if you were actually Innkeeper (so something based on #information alone)

08:07

I told Mat to do krem based on the $roll if you told her something else thats fine too, doesn't really matter

08:07

We don't have any good info so the hope is just to get a TI maybe and another townie that isnt Huntress/MS

Results for Poll #ban: (1)

@Diensn - @sT

@sT attacks @Diensn

09:00

success

Nice

11:05

This is the only channel I managed to loaf

Okay we just missed a kill and probably killed the tanner. Epic

11:29

Plague seems confirmed now

11:29

No enchants or wagers. We still could have pyro or underworld but those seem less likely

sT

This is the only channel I managed to loaf

loaf?

Load

ah

okay so i am awake

12:22

harper claimed ft

and swurtle claims assistant

FT claim is uh bold

12:51

We can check her for FT tonight, but I doubt it's accurate

12:51

Seems like bait

yeah ikr

You're hooker claim has gone alright so far

12:53

Thought not much has been said

yeah swurtle made a cc with me and instantly claimed unprompted

Swurtle trusts easily and is loud

12:55

You may be able to use that to your advantage

oh also i reached out to mat last night

12:55

told her who the pack is

Maybe try to figure out some town plans with swurtle, maybe

12:56

Unsure what thatd be

swurtle trusts me completely it seems,we could even make a fake trusted chat with swurtle lol

But getting Swurtle to be on your side completely is good

12:57

Oh nice, but don't do that

Ye ik lol

Cause you can reasonably trust her but not fully

12:57

If you were hooker

yep

Okay also if the real hooker appears keep in mind that two hookers just isn't gonna happen in a proper game (edited)

12:58

So they can't be hooker since you already are

yep

I just woke up from my "it's probably corona" slumber, what did i miss?

Mat is lone wolf and we didn't kill her

13:23

However we may have gotten our tanner killed

13:23

And lone wolf didn't attack

13:23

And harp claimed FT to Leila, so probably baiting

woah katy just claimed tanner and said they found me

Wow what

13:37

You're carrying

it's surely not bait right

Wait ask them if they know what the laboratory is

13:37

Cause that's a term almost nobody knows I think

13:38

But if they're MS TARGET #2 they'd know

13:38

If not it doesn't deconfirm them

13:38

Nor does knowing what that is confirm that tbh, but itd be a good sign

we could make a cc with lw and tanner now

Uh how about no

13:39

We don't know if tanner is real

13:40

Don't tell them anything

k

13:40

well with us and lw then

Did you ask them if they know what laboratory is?

ye no reply yet

Alright

13:41

I'm on phone so I can't make a cc rn

13:41

But I can do one later

with lwm

13:41

*?

You should save your ccs for fake town activities

oh yeah

Yeah with lw

@ilbeooLa what are you disguised as?

wrong person

What?

13:52

Katy must've disguised you to find you

ohhh right sorry

Or did they not tell you?

i asked

okay if harper is fp she will probably check me

14:25

and i was disguised as infected wolf

Okay well that kind of sucks

yeppp

you are very fucked

yepp

14:50

are we checking katy before i give info

What did Katy say regarding laboratory

they said they were a subject

Okay that's a good sign

enough to share info?

They could be town and vera tanner, but actually coming up with that seems fairly difficult

ye

Did you make the cc?

no

15:12

should i ask to promoted then add everyone?

15:12

including lw?

Ask them to promote you and then demote them

15:13

That way you own the cc and they couldn't use anything against you

Alive Players | Total: 16

️ - Swurtle (@uwStrel) 4️⃣ - harperette (@etrahrptee)

- unknown_42 (@wko_unn2n4)

- Sharl Eclair (@arhlSElacri)

- Nick262008 (@ikN802026c)

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- MatMeistress (@esMssraittMe)

- Relaxed Mato (@xaeMRde aotl)

- Leilaboo (@ilbeooLa)

️‍⚧️ - PBY Katylina (@nyBKYtaailP)

- Alphaviki (@phlvAiaik)

- the kremblin (@rth kemenbil)

️ - Ts (@sT)

- Snivy-Ace13 (@vi3yn-c1AeS)

- ddd8000 (@00d8d0d)

- Risabu (@sRabiu)

- Jean D. Arch (@Jnceha A rD.) (edited)

if we snipe the lynch and leila is mayor we (almost) win

18:03

actually that only works out if RH survives since we'd need to get them on our side

18:03

so maybe we have some better way to get somebody lynched

alright im gonna need a claim

Poll #yeg

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️ - @uwStrel 4️⃣ - @etrahrptee

- @wko_unn2n4

- @arhlSElacri

- @ikN802026c

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- @esMssraittMe

- @xaeMRde aotl

- @ilbeooLa

️‍⚧️ - @nyBKYtaailP

- @phlvAiaik

- @rth kemenbil

️ - @sT

- @vi3yn-c1AeS

- @00d8d0d

- @sRabiu

- @Jnceha A rD. ❓ - Random

yeg

can we kill Jay again?

what's with this jayphobia smh

21:08

im so oppressed it should be LJBTQ

Jaysism

21:08

Jayphobic?

Jay Gesus....

Jay Gesus

21:11

Jay Ge SUS

Deleted Message @ilbeooLa You're not allowed to delete messages during the game!

opps

illegal

22:46

the egg scramblers will smite you

@sT i don't get the claim cc you made, it has other info ?

its not for showing anyone

22:47

its just so we have a place to keep track of info we shared as townies

ah OK

i have an alarm set for the morning to put a vote on the pack poll in case we dont come up with anything tonight

claims i have received: krem- assistant harp - ft swurtle - assistant

23:27

PHEW HARPER SAID SHE CHECKED KREM

huh

sorry i reposted in our cc

Harp and Krem probably lying, two assistants in a non off-season game?

sorry please use the cc

@ilbeooLa if you get any more claims put them in one of the channels, I can put a vote on pack in the morning. (im gonna sleep now)

gn!

Gn

Oh Leila don't forget to sabotage yourself if you haven't already

I have

epic

Results for Poll #yeg: (1) 4️⃣ @etrahrptee - @sT

ig oops then

09:48

i got confused

@sT attacks harperette, success

frtgul t byVu aaorcle aa

ig oops then

You are dead, ghost

xaeMRde aotl

You are dead, ghost

what did you say to me, you egg??

14:25

nah i was just here to help because the hosts werent here

✅ Attempting to demote you, frtgul t byVu aaorcle aa!

frtgul t byVu aaorcle aa

what did you say to me, you egg??

Omae wa mou shinderiu?

14:33

Good Dead egg god

Poll #mnf

21:06

️ - @uwStrel

- @wko_unn2n4

- @arhlSElacri

- @ikN802026c

‍

- @esMssraittMe

- @xaeMRde aotl

- @ilbeooLa

️‍⚧️ - @nyBKYtaailP

- @phlvAiaik

️ - @sT

- @00d8d0d

- @sRabiu

- @Jnceha A rD. ❓ - Random

✅ Created #trusted!

ironic, creating the town trusted in wolfpack

22:36

literally a wolf in sheep's clothing

yeah I did it deliberately

conmedy

Results for Poll #mnf: (1)

@ikN802026c - @sT

@sT attacks @ikN802026c

10:00

success

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