Werewolves Revamped - wolf

Werewolves Revamped

🕵 S8g1 Secret Channels / wolf

Lone Wolf | Werewolf Killing Basics Each night, the Lone Wolf may attack one player. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf joins the wolfpack. Details The Lone Wolf doesn’t know the other werewolves, and starts off all alone, they are not a member of the wolfpack. However, they are still a lycan. Each night, they may kill one player on their own. If they kill someone who isn’t townsfolk or solo aligned, the Lone Wolf dies. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Killing a player is an end-night ability.

horrible

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I hate it

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One day I'll get a Miscellaneous role

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actually I got one once

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it was scared wolf

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@Host can you run $p get public_votes <id> on whoever is angel and verify that they have a value of 0 there?

18:24

I didnt check it myself

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also double check that they got a sc

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(it got changed to 0 from -1)

Well they did not get an sc, so the votes will probably be wrong too, ill check

nope then they should be fine

18:25

the sc sets the votes

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if they didnt get one than it didnt set the votes

oh are they not ment to get an sc?

they should

ok because i gave them one

so the way it works is that if a role requires setup commands the standard sc is disabled and a custom sc is added

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cause those can run commands

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but we got rid of the -1 vote on angel so it didnt need setup commands anymore so the channel was removed

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I guess we didnt reneable the default sc though

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can you do it? it should be something like $channels set_ind angel 1

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you can use $help channels if that doesnt work

@Lord kruthers wdym by "enchanted channels" were created?

the old channels from where flute player could talk to the enchanted

they still can

Flute Player | Solo Power - Flute Team Basics Each night, the Flute Player may enchant a certain amount of players. If all living players are either enchanted, unaligned or Flute team members, the Flute team wins. Details Whenever a player is enchanted, they will immediately join a secret channel with the other enchanted players, but without the Flute Player(s). The Flute Player(s) may see everything said in this channel, from the safety of their own secret channel. If an enchanted player is an investigative role, that is affected by obstructions, they will have a 60% chance that the player is displayed as a Flute Player, and a 40% chance for the inspection to happen normally, whenever they attempt to inspect a player. This effect will disappear once no members of the Flute Player channel or team remain. The players are not told when the effect disappears. The Flute Player is able to enchant 1 player for every ten players in the game (rounded). They may not enchant a member of the flute team or channel. If there is more than one player in the Flute Player channel (not counting Flute Apprentices), each Flute Player will only be able to enchant 1 player for every twenty players in the game (rounded). The amount of players used is the amount of players that are part of the game, not the alive players. If there are multiple Flute Players, then they are one team, and they will work together. If a Flute Player loses their role, they will lose their ability to enchant players. Role changes are not revealed to the other Flute Players. It is never revealed to the Flute Players how many or which players have been enchanted.

Whenever a player is enchanted, they will immediately join a secret channel with the other enchanted players, but without the Flute Player(s). The Flute Player(s) may see everything said in this channel, from the safety of their own secret channel.

Oh well the link/ disguise does not seam to be working

It is never revealed to the Flute Players how many or which players have been enchanted.

yea

so should they exist with a 2 way disguise then?

no

but then the flute player will be able to see who is enchanted

the people talking doesnt reveal how and how many players are enchanted

18:43

just that that particular person is

ok

wdym the link/disguise doesnt work?

18:43

does it not send the message over?

nope

maybe you should sub me with turtle hepi

hepi

Well the bot crashed when i tried resetting connections...

why would you need to run that

✅ Pong! Latency is 433ms. API Latency is 564ms (edited)

because it said they were added, but were not working

I honestly dont know what $connection reset does

lol i wont do that again then

deletes all connections

oh that command cant crash

18:52

oh okay so connectionExecute crashed it

ahh

try if it works now

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@Host

not working still

did you readd the connection?

yes

can you send a message

18:57

in there

18:57

oh okay thanks (edited)

sent

it threw an error now

Lord kruthers

sent

try again

18:59

there's a field missing from the players database, but obviously I can't add it hepi

hepi

ok there is now like 5 connections (edited)

thats better than before

18:59

do $connection reset again

also what field?

for a disguise

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not relevant for this

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its a new field and I forgot to add it

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but it should still work without it now

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now its good that the bot doesnt log anything related to the game

its fixed now it seems

nice

19:04

you'll need to run $connection add reporter reporter in #reporter

all good, only manged to get it the wrong way round, fixed now

The Queen

you'll need to run $connection add reporter reporter in #reporter

you need to do this as well

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yep just done

that should be it

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fsr Whispers is the only thing that logs anything

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(of value)

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(when a connection is added or removed)

@The Queen the log kept saying this when it was having the problems

Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode!

Jester of the Grand Court

@The Queen the log kept saying this when it was having the problems

Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode! Stats > ❗❗❗ Unable to cache secret mode!

thats fine

@Citizen of Nucleland Who do you want to attack tonight?

a) I dont attack (good) b) I cc people and find a good target (also good) c) I pick a random person and just kill them which is a horrible strategy (bad)

Command error. Can only list alive players in ingame phase.

Listing alive does not work

@Lord kruthers you should make an additional (hidden) public channel called #dungeons which people with a certain role can access but not the other channels

Lord kruthers

Listing alive does not work

will fix it, must be an oversight due to that additional gamephase

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$a

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$a

Alive Players | Total: 16

️ - Swurtle (@Lady Swurtle)

- Wyatt (@Lord Wyatt)

- Dragon (@The Dragon)

- harperette (@Princess Harp)

- Sharl Eclair (@Prince Sharl)

- Captain Luffy (@Captain of the Kings' Guard)

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- MatMeistress (@Royal Maid)

- Vera but actually a frog (@The King) uglysmile

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- Jowo [busy until 6/15] (@Blacksmith)

- the kremblin (@Knight Krem)

- Relaxed Mato (@Archer Mato)

- Risabu (@Scout Risabu)

- Leilaboo (@Right hand to the King)

️ - Ts (@The Queen)

- Les_fantome (@Carpenter Les)

️ - Jean D. Arch (@Knight of the Kings' Guard) (edited)

there we go, fixed

hm

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Town (8) • Citizen - • Citizen - • Cursed Citizen - • Macho - • Priest - • Town Crier - • Oracle - • Ranger - Wolves (5) • Psychic Wolf - • Wolf - • Saboteur Wolf - • Scared Wolf - • Lone Wolf - Ts Solo (2) • Flute Player - • Flute Apprentice - Unaligned (1) • Angel - (edited)

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so we have 3 ccs now

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unsure whats the best way to use them though, people dont like claiming during N1 so asking for claim is not a good idea

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RP isnt great for reads

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▶️ Selected @Carpenter Les (

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huh I didnt even realize they were playing

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no messages except joining the server three times thonk

thonk

✅ Created #carpenter!

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▶️ Selected @Princess Harp (

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okay so I could create a cc and complain about her manners in character

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but harp hates it

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so I cant make an in character cc

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and what else can I do

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so

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next

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▶️ Selected @The King (

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This one is perfect

✅ Created #king_and_queen!

one more

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Signed Up Players | Total: 16

️ - Swurtle (@Lady Swurtle)

- Wyatt (@Lord Wyatt)

- Dragon (@The Dragon)

- harperette (@Princess Harp)

- Sharl Eclair (@Prince Sharl)

- Captain Luffy (@Captain of the Kings' Guard)

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- Vera but actually a frog (@The King) uglysmile

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- Jowo [busy until 6/15] (@Blacksmith)

- the kremblin (@Knight Krem)

- Relaxed Mato (@Archer Mato)

- Risabu (@Scout Risabu)

- Leilaboo (@Right hand to the King)

️ - Ts (@The Queen)

- Les_fantome (@Carpenter Les)

️ - Jean D. Arch (@Knight of the Kings' Guard) (edited)

wow

23:31

There's a captain and a knight of the king's guard and a right hand to the king and I get nothing??

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It feels wrong to cc the king's right hand when I'm the queen

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so maybe someone who isnt connected to the king

Syntax error. Invalid Player #5 (false)!

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▶️ Selected @Royal Maid (

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huh that didnt work

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well royal maid sounds good

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epic public messages

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they said a

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hm Macho contains a, I'll read it as a Macho softclaim

You have hit the CC limit of 2 CCs!

@Host

pensivebread

should it be 3 now I guess?

yea

23:37

started at 2 and D0 ended

do you remember the command by any chance?

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i have a guess

$options cc_limit 3

got it

i did it

nice, thanks

✅ Created #maid!

huh our names are exactly the same lenght

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okay hm Fantome is Angel, Vera is Saboteur Wolf and Mat is Macho

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if I'm right on any of them I will seem epic

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what does a maid do

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I should've thought this through

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gonna use the next ccs on them unless something comes up

23:43

holy shit I should try the luffy strat

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this role is weak and underpowered

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horrible role

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I hate it

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I'm now guaranteed to hit a good target

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Just watch me

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(ignore these messages if I dont)

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forgot who my son was, looked him up and the one thing he said is Barbara Steinsand lmao

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why would I even talk to a maid, im the queen

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I should've thought this through

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princess would've been so good if it was someone who does RP pensivebread

pensivebread

23:52

okay so I'm not gonna get anything useful out of that roleplay, am I? (edited)

23:53

packless wolves are my least favorite role to play, so of course I'm them a solid 1/4th of every game

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lets do some math

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5 - 8 - 2 - 1

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fascinating

23:55

man being wolf is so much fun and you just can't participate in the strategies if youre alone

23:55

if more than 1 wolf claims Citizen I will literally cry

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well I've already narrowed down my potential kills to 3... so let's hope I have at least 2 townies, optimally 3

23:59

Only 4 out of 17 players are wolf, which means its only a 23% chance any person is a wolf

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but I only have 1 player, so a minumum chances of 33% is required for any one of them to be wolves

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hence I didnt cc any wolves

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and that was accurate maths with ts

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maybe I can get something out of mat or fantome, dont think vera will let anything on

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and I can't just kill the king

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so from a targetting perspective this was a horrible cc choice pensivebread

pensivebread

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alright what does randomization tell me

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@Host attack MatMeistress for now

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I will probably change my mind if any of my ccs actually leads to any conversations of value

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oh shit I cant kill Angel

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so: 10/17 -> Town/Flute -> Profit 3/17 -> Pack Wolf -> Disaster 1/17 -> Scared Wolf -> Sad 1/17 -> Angel

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this doesnt even add up to 17

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am I drunk

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oh I am the game has 16 players LMAO

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10/15 -> Town/Flute -> Profit (enemy dies) 66% 3/15 -> Pack Wolf -> Disaster (we just lose) 20% 1/15 -> Scared Wolf -> Sad (i die) 7% 1/15 -> Angel -> Sad (ua and i die) 7%

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so to summarize 66% Very Good 20% Very Bad 14% Bad even if I double weight very bad to like 40%, bad outcomes only have a total 54% opposed to 66% very good and with our short games this may be the only chance I get

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lone wolf really sucks, this is incredibly volatile

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like why does it kill me and the wolf I attack?

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and I know the answer, which is why I must attack

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(its trying to get the LW to not attack because its very strong)

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if I hit the Psychic Wolf I'll give them my address so that they can come to my house in person and punch me

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last time I was Lone Wolf I didnt do a single kill

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oh fuck Macho exists

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oh and also CC

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well all things considered killing macho is probably fine and I might even be able to pull off something to work around that, and CC is just an even better outcome

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I do turn CC, do I

Cursed Civilian | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics If the Cursed Civilian is attacked by a lycan or a werewolf, they will turn into a wolf instead of dying. Details The Cursed Civilian is part of the townsfolk team, however they may betray their team at some point. If attacked any other way than by a lycan or a werewolf, the Cursed Civilian will die as usual.

nice, I qualify for both lycan and werewolf

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huh and ranger exists too

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this is too much

okay so: ++/--- => +1/-1 ++++ Cursed Civilian (-1, +1) | 1/17 => 6% +++ Priest, Oracle, Town Crier, FP, FPA (-1+) | 5/17 => 29% ++ Citizen, Citizen (-1) | 2/17 => 12% + Ranger, Macho (-1-) | 2/17 => 12% - Angel (-1+) | 1/17 => 6% --- Scared Wolf (-1-) | 1/17 => 6% ---- Wolf, Psychic Wolf, Saboteur Wolf (-2) | 3/17 => 18% -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= (1/17*4)+(5/17*3)+(2/17*2)+(1/17*1)+(1/17*-1)+(1/17*-3)+(3/17*-4)=+0.47 (edited)

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thats only an expected positive of 0.47 which is worse than I assumed, probably because I have 3/17 with a negative value of -4 and only 1/17 with a positive value of 4

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Im close to talking myself into not attacking

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But I did it last time and lost realmad

realmad

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My monologuing doubles as an epic anti-inactivity strategy

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hm I wonder how +0.47 compares to the expected results of the priest and wolf kill

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wolves obviously always attack and as priest I wouldnt

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I should come out significantly better than priest but worse than wolfpack I think?

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though priest cant double kill

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if I somehow am worse than priest I have to not attack

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wait

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I DID 17 AGAIN

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HOW

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okay so: ++/--- => +1/-1 ++++ Cursed Civilian (-1, +1) | 1/15 +++ Priest, Oracle, Town Crier, FP, FPA (-1+) | 5/15 ++ Citizen, Citizen (-1) | 2/15 + Ranger, Macho (-1-) | 2/15 - Angel (-1+) | 1/15 --- Scared Wolf (-1-) | 1/15 ---- Wolf, Psychic Wolf, Saboteur Wolf (-2) | 3/15 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= (1/15*4)+(5/15*3)+(2/15*2)+(1/15*1)+(1/15*-1)+(1/15*-3)+(3/15*-4)=+0.53

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it goes up?

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how tho

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the -4 are now more

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huh

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I guess theres just more values that are positive in general so they make up for it

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+0.53 as expected result for LW then

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Priest ++ wolves | 4/15 + scared wolf | 1/15 0 angel/flute | 3/15 --- town | 7/15 (4/15*2)+(1/15*1)+(3/15*0)+(7/15*-3)=-0.80 (uses same weighting as LW)

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good.

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Priest is significantly worse

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Wolves ++++ CC 1/15 +++ P/O/TC/FP/FPA 5/15 ++ Cit 2/15 + R/M/Ang 3/15 -- LW 1/15 (1/15*4)+(5/15*3)+(2/15*2)+(3/15*1)+(1/15*-2)=1.6

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so conclusion: Wolves: +1.6 LW: +0.53 Priest: -0.80 LW kill is only 1.07 weaker than wolves, but 1.33 stronger than priest

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yes, I must attack pensivebread

pensivebread

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hopefully fantome replies

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uh they should just randomly claim priest or oracle or something

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yea

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bye

The Queen

@Host attack MatMeistress for now

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Ugh why, now I need to consider fpa

09:07

Hmm is fantom ignoring me or just inactive

So if they're ignoring me that would at least make them the most likely to be wolf out of the 3 so that's something

10:00

Hope the randomization doesn't let me down

10:06

I'm gonna file an issue after the game, randomizing an attack is something I definitely shouldn't do

10:07

But I don't see a better move

Praying.

12:04

Why would you ask that there

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It's from pack probably

but that's always done, right?

So now I know Vera isn't pack

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And Vera knows I'm not

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I could be wrong and I won't use this info

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But still

I wouldn't ask gm questions in SCs

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even if they were in there, not confirming or denying

You did before

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In this sc

Didn't you get asked bot questions tho?

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Like if the bot was broken

This is the same

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I was asked about the cc command

Huh I didn't know that one

Nice my kill worked?

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But same as Wolf or wolf failed

Macho | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics If attacked, the Macho will be told the name of one of their attackers and will not die until the beginning of the next night. Details If the Macho is attacked during the night, they will survive until the end of the next day, and will be able to attempt to spread the word about their killer. If a Macho is attacked, the fact that the Macho was attacked that night is announced in storytime. The Macho will know who attacked them, and it is up to them to decide whether they want to share this information or not. At the end of that day, the Macho dies. If it’s a group that attacked the Macho, the attacker’s name is told to the Macho. If the Macho is attacked multiple times in a single night, they will not be killed by any of them, and the kill they are informed of will be chosen randomly from all their attackers. If the Macho is lynched, they will die as usual.

Huh I forgot it gets announced

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I was considering an attacked macho cc

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.. I now also know wolves didn't have a designated attacker

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I'm not gonna continue that thought but it's info I shouldn't have

12:16

What's the chances that Krem is a fake wolf

12:16

Would dragon do that

Very weak pack

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Only Ranger and cit?

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Unless he's lying but if seems believable

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At least no macho claim so that's nice

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We can at least still cover the most important four

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Man no n1 oracle though

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At least now I know that pack is weak without meta info

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A preist claim likely only holds up for like one night

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I'll wait a bit to make sure they're not also claiming it

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Unsure if we can win this actually

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Might depend on the TC

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Hope krem is wolf or saboteur and not scared or psychic

✅ Created #hi!

I really hope they're actually ccing oracle as well

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I have 4 possible non death failures (angel, flute, scared)

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He either gives both priests the same target

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Or different ones

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The first means he can't identify who's real but guarantees the kill

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So I hope he goes for that

Oh I won't even be able to use the LW kill lmao pensivebread

pensivebread

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Huh turns out the random attack literally was my only one

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That really doesn't help this roles case

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Choice between a random kill or just nothing

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Yeah this role sucks

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Not power wise

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Design wise

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That kill was 0% actually playing the game and 100% $roll command

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That's not a well designed role

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And if I had played properly without praying for a positive roll outcome I would've been able to do nothing

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Wait.

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Dragon will be dead

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Huh

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It's obvious, but I'm stupid

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He'll find the tc pair and one of them can be mayor

Hm now I wonder if tc would've been the better claim

@The Queen was the message in #enchanted meant to be a bot version of you?

Yes

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I believe the FP can't see it then

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I used $bot

isn't that kinda cheating

how so

so maybe we really got two of everything so dragon doesnt know what to do

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wait no thats impossible

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there must be that TC pair

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hm, maybe Mat was TC then

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and made a cc with their person that that person doesnt have permissions in

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that would be a fairly unconvincing claim then

confirmed ranger pensivebread

pensivebread

i was thinking that priest cant be proven fake because if you tell both priests to kill each other the fake priest would die bc they watered a townie which they are not allowed to do, even if the real priest is fake and didn't attack, so you can't actually know which attack is real

@Citizen of Nucleland you have now joined the pack

@Host please sub me thanks

we can't

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yet at least

wow

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why not

because we might need more subs

les fantome is also inactive

ugh ive really ruined this game for myself by letting my emotions get the better of me

would it be possible to just play the game like it didnt happen?

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I don't know how else to get around this

i mean yea ill just continue

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but I dont like it

We'll just discuss whatever needs to be discussed after the game, no need to do that now

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if at all

what

thonk

hey at least now I know which game I did my worst play in

23:33

always have to look at the positives

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the epic play being being unreasonably angry! gotta love it

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at least this gives the game a new flavor other than anxiety, now I get self loathing

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its not any better but its a different flavor

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maybe if im lucky the priest will kill me

@Citizen of Nucleland you like to bark at people

To make sure you're up to date with the information in Ts' channels, he asked to leave this for you:

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Summary of what Ts did. - Attacked Mat N1 based on the $random command - Success - Claimed Priest to Dragon - Dragon told me that Arch is Ranger confirmed by TC #hi - Arch told me to water Leila #ts

ok so im priest?

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!role wolf

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woow

Grand Alchemist Snivy

ok so im priest?

no you're wolf, but Ts fake claimed priest

ok ok got it

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Oh shoot

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So

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I should kill myself

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But there’s no point in doing that

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ahhhh fluffy

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