Werewolves Revamped - dead

Players | Total: 16

18:16

️ - @Lady Swurtle (Flute Player); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Lord Wyatt (Angel); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @The Dragon (Macho); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Princess Harp (Psychic Wolf); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Prince Sharl (Flute Apprentice); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Captain of the Kings' Guard (Town Crier); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

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- @Royal Maid (Priest); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @The King (Citizen); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 uglysmile

- @Blacksmith (Citizen); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Knight Krem (Scared Wolf); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 (edited)

18:16

- @Archer Mato (Cursed Civilian); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Scout Risabu (Oracle); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Right hand to the King (Saboteur Wolf); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

️ - @The Queen (Lone Wolf); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Carpenter Les (Wolf); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

️ - @Knight of the Kings' Guard (Ranger); Alive: yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 (edited)

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jay wanna be on the barbarian team

18:41

we have marten the red barb

18:41

and me

barb is my least favourite dnd class sorry

18:42

i must deny out of principle

wow

18:42

dont you want to see chaos in their lands

well i do

18:43

ill be your pirate ally

pog

18:43

thats me

18:45

wow town is really strong huh

now i have an appropriate pic

19:48

@Lord kruthers feel threatened by my server pfp

amazing

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

barb is my least favourite dnd class sorry

I thought that said bard and thought smh jay

lmaooo

22:30

i demand a future role in a story time

you can get a role

hell yeah

Looking really interesting! I will look from time to time between learning how the game goes, but I am looking forward to a Shakespearean drama hopefully!

23:29

Also really funny that the king got the citizen role

23:29

I guess the king is the first citizen of the state

Ohhh pack may attack dragon that will be an interesting day 1

@Royal Maid welcome to hell population 1

bruh

12:41

they killed all the sexies

I just realised, town have lost their preist, losing the macho and pack are losing there scared, that's a few powerful roles

yep

12:52

but with priest and macho gone, it will be hard

Yep

epicn't

Lord kruthers

I just realised, town have lost their preist, losing the macho and pack are losing there scared, that's a few powerful roles

pack also lose LW

13:55

since Ts becomes wolf

13:58

Also technically FP will be halfway there after tonight 16 -3 dead (Dragon, Mat, Krem) 13 -2 Already Enchanted (Ts + Les) 11 -2 FP Team (Swurtle + Sharl) 9 -1 UAM (Wyatt) 8

13:58

8 left to enchant

13:58

wolves kill a non enchanted + 2 enchants

13:58

that's like

13:58

5 left

kinda sucks that les is ia

14:01

he needed to perform the attack really

FP win

and I maintain that this is a pretty strong list for town, though obviously they've been disadvantaged by losing priest

14:01

fp win likely

should have done a role change for cc that makes them a scw

nah that's not the problem

14:03

i can't quite put my finger on it but something about this list just doesn't feel right

14:03

i think it might be the tm

I suggested one should be turned to cit

14:05

but it got turned into cc

Why did ts even decide to kill me

14:05

was it random? or did i read as town

14:05

in which case. how

i think random

did he just find me annoying

14:05

queen doesn't want head from the maid

we have 6 TM, 3 of which are essentially TP in terms of power level, leaving just two strong claimable slots with seven scum . this is presumably intended to balance out Oracle not seeing exact role, but Oracle is actually very strong in this list because it's super super easy to form a town trusted. quite literally the only counter here would have been wolves claiming (TC+)Oracle, which depending on various situations could have been caught out very easily, especially with Ranger present. if Priest hadn't died N1, i'd have bet on a town win.

14:09

what's maybe worse is that this list seems to specifically target/counter wolves and leaves little room for town to find and kill Flutes

14:09

i definitely think it's an interesting role list and i appreciate that it was really hard to balance, i just think the lack of claimability and the TM were a bit of a misstep

14:11

it'll make for a cool game though looking at the N1 kills

Ts faking angel to the team he'll join

16:20

also lol maybe wyatt wont get lynched at all

16:21

just because of that oracle check

16:23

so the scums that glt screwed by tc - ranger were Leila and Swurtl LMAO

So my plan of destroying this kingdom is falling apart

oo Luffy might sus tsss

tc on ranger was strong imo

Idea: The Sticky. Either for a two team game or a game where both town and wolves have a decent bit of power. Something something, whenever it gets attacked it kills a chosen person in its place, and the role of that person is transferred onto a different rando, as a double role

19:44

this is valid and would totally work

Maybe an off season idea

20:49

But instead it's everyone has the reaper attached to them

hi krem

hewwo

hi dragon

22:02

ts fake claimed angel to you

22:02

eventhough he is lone wolf

i have seen

22:02

haha funny

so hes gonna join you now

22:02

and f for swurtl and leila claiming ranger

22:02

they got destroyed by tc ranger

rip

good morning vietnam

22:21

I got attacked by wolfpack cause I didn't answer harpette back?

22:21

damn

dayum

I suppose spectators can't get a role in storytime?

.

If I can't play maybe I can play my part in joining the barbarian armies, maybe as a Druid of the forests?

yes always

23:17

specs will join our group

YOO I am so happy :D

:3

bro.... i love my bf.....

q: what happened with ts? why does he want to sub?

00:32

@Jester of the Grand Court you seem active do u know

I Just literally asked stein the same question lol

00:32

apparently bot abuse

LMAO

if you stalked the cc channels u would know

.stalker

for example he used $bot to talk in enchanted so his message doesnt get sent to swurtles enchanted talk

00:34

and then also did some @ everyones ping

he said he let his anger get the better of him but im not stalking ccs hgkjhfdkg

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

and then also did some @ everyones ping

yeah i saw those funnily enough

ah yes

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

he said he let his anger get the better of him but im not stalking ccs hgkjhfdkg

yea that was afterwards

01:02

we were talking about abusing the bot

01:02

and by coincidence I found a huge exploit

01:02

could've been used by anyone to make themselves admin

01:03

thanks for subbing me

damn got lucky with your priest claim might have worked out for you ts

oh?

with priest dead first night

LMAO

you were a 1x claim

ts killed priest insta

holy shit

01:05

I $roll-ed the kill

meanwhile wolves went for dragon

There was literally ZERO skill or strategy behind it (edited)

sometimes luck is good

01:05

sometimes luck is bad (edited)

luck is big dick?

Honestly can I just say LW fucking sucks?

like you killed priest is good

like not strength wise

01:05

but design wise

01:06

what a horribly designed role

its not great

honestly yeah

you gotta hope

The good strategic move would've been to not attack

01:06

but then I wouldnt have gotten any kills at all

01:06

and I figured that was gonna happen

01:06

so I took the risk

01:06

based on a $roll

01:06

I calculated the chances and they were pretty good, but like thats not a good role

01:07

And I was there when we initially added the LW dies if they kill a wolf thing and now that ive been LW I realize it makes no sense

01:07

we were thinking LW is too strong, we need to make them not want to attack to nerf then

01:07

oh how about if they decide to attack and get unlucky they absolutely fuck their team over

01:07

then they just wont attack

01:07

balanced.

01:09

@Host can you tell snivy that im claiming Priest and that im supposed to water leila tonight, my SC is incomprehensible and very long and I didnt leave a message for the sub cause I thought you didnt have one

hm

Im not really on the team anymore, but I just feel like its fair?

01:11

I talked a lot

i would do it, but it's also a bit odd to rely messages like that, could i find that info in your SC?

I never put it

01:12

cause I didnt expect to want to be subbed

yea true

I just claimed Priest in my cc with Dragon

01:12

and in my cc with Arch he told me to water leila

oh that, I meant if what you're telling them is already said in the game

it is

then it should be fine

yea

01:12

its basically just a summary

01:13

lmao swurtle is FP that was actually my guess based on the u but I figured it was too obvious

The Queen

@Host can you tell snivy that im claiming Priest and that im supposed to water leila tonight, my SC is incomprehensible and very long and I didnt leave a message for the sub cause I thought you didnt have one

just copy paste this as summary?

Royal Birb

just copy paste this as summary?

maybe you could do something like this:

Summary of what Ts did. - Attacked Mat N1 based on the $random command - Success - Claimed Priest to Dragon - Dragon told me that Arch is Ranger confirmed by TC <#986630800176971816> - Arch told me to water Leila <#986728945581961216>

Lone Wolf | Werewolf Killing Basics Each night, the Lone Wolf may attack one player. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf joins the wolfpack. Details The Lone Wolf doesn’t know the other werewolves, and starts off all alone, they are not a member of the wolfpack. However, they are still a lycan. Each night, they may kill one player on their own. If they kill someone who isn’t townsfolk or solo aligned, the Lone Wolf dies. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Killing a player is an end-night ability.

technically theres no role change

Hmmmmmmmmm

hi arch

wow

12:25

fuck

12:25

mato is cc????

12:25

what the

12:25

fuck

12:25

omg

lmao

why????

12:25

why did he claim cit

12:25

:/

12:26

bruh.

no ones gotta know the cursed part

wait really

well now everyone knows

cc reveals as cursed right

as in he didnt claim wrong

12:27

he didnt ever have to claim cursed

yeah but thats stupid

you revealed him now

:/

12:27

WHY WOULD YOU NOT

12:27

CLAIM CC

12:27

AS CURSED

12:28

YOURE STILL TOWN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

12:28

FUCK THIS GAME

hmmm

WHATS THE REASON CLAIMING CIT AS CC

12:29

?

12:29

if not turned

Knight of the Kings' Guard

WHATS THE REASON CLAIMING CIT AS CC

accidentally leting wolves find out

but im trusted

you can leak

yeah so was Ts

i mean

12:30

no

12:30

i didnt trust him fully

Ts was told you were ranger

dragon told everyone i was ranger tho

12:30

the reason i was mayor

Big brain play would be not kill

12:31

and get mato lynched while in town form

12:32

look at veras reaction

wait stein is no longer asleep

yeah idk whats worse

12:35

falling asleep in vc, you hearing me snlre or me getting 2-3 hours of sleep (edited)

Why does my phone correct do to so????? Like why

Also do town know who the TC is?

this role setup feels scumsided

I dont think so

12:36

eh

i already promoted luffy so

12:36

in our cc

Town got screwed by ts killing priest n1

Ye

Knight of the Kings' Guard

this role setup feels scumsided

priest and macho dying didnt help town

12:37

very unlucky

and yeah dragon jusg got yeeted

literally wtf is that cursed civ unturned play

But TC getting ranger is really good as it just got rid of a claim space

plus you guys got lucky and had 2 ranger claimers other than you

look at this convert https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/986723754187055125/986883598806315059

12:39

*convo

12:39

I LITERALLY JUST TALKED TO VERA ABOUT HOW STUPID FOR CC TO CLAIM CIT

yes but you are speaking with a very experienced player (edited)

12:39

this is matos like 3rd game or so

aaaarrrrgggghhhh

12:40

yeahhh ig

I dont think his play was good to not tell you he was cc

12:41

but i cant fully say its god awful because hes pretty new and doesnt 100% know how everything goes on here yet

12:42

and also oof on not selecting anew mayor

12:42

but luffy can just say I wanna be mayor back it with the cc

12:42

and if town goes for swurtle today

i alerady told everyone and their moms i highly suspect swurt as flute

then they are on the limit with wolves

12:43

ik you did

12:44

i read some chats

12:45

also lol the only non evils hidden were the 2 that claimed cit Harp and Sharl (edited)

12:47

also lol

12:48

The confusion that can arise when you add just 1 letter to mats name (edited)

Wait did wolves not know that im ranger

12:52

like before i told ts

12:52

cuz im pretty sure dragon said that

they claimed ranger before you were reveled

Knight of the Kings' Guard

this role setup feels scumsided

nah

13:06

priest dying just fucked you

pretty much

wtf

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

they claimed ranger before you were reveled

but like dragon implied hes gonna make a ranger mayor

13:19

besides macho is known

13:19

what other role threatens the wolves

13:19

from killing me

Didn't you tell Vera that turtle claimed cc? Maybe that could help them at least a little. Turtle fears the worst, but Vera seems to have forgot.

nope i didnt

13:33

i was wary

Oh ok. Then you just gave Turtle a scare lol

so

13:35

there is like

13:36

6 needing enchantment

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

and yeah dragon jusg got yeeted

I did indeed get yeeted

14:33

I mean still played out my role to the max

14:34

Not sure wolves should have gone for attacking the ranger especially as Leila knew I knew they were scum

tbf. yeeting mayor useful

Especially with the real priest dead its great to avoid reporter

15:39

Not that they know that

why haven't they used sab yet?

so sorry luffy

16:50

well i did my best

16:50

whats the better outcome

we are close to a flute player win

17:23

6 people missing

its going to be interesting to see which teams wants to sacrifice a kill to stop them

17:24

and i hope flute realise it better to enchant people who seam to be minor with their impact

i would avoid a luffy flute

17:25

and see if wolves would kill him

are both FP and FPA still alive?

yep

yes....

nice

they looking good

rooting for flute then

eventhough arch was confident in swurtle being flute

tbf it was obvious

as a flute player you dont use the chat unless you really behave differently (edited)

17:28

so people dont catch you immediately

17:29

town be really missing that priest

yea wtf

17:29

i dont think cc is necessary in that list ngl

17:29

and town cant touch angel

yeah wyatt cant be checked anymore except by the psychic wolf

cc in this list is honestly probably worse for wolves than cit would be

17:31

eh

17:31

actually i disagree with myself

17:31

nvm

I mean you can take the extra wolf but they get insta lynched (edited)

17:31

or fake the attack on them

yeah

and get them lynched

tonight they will think wyatt is flute

17:32

lol

LMAO

17:32

unless swurtle enchants wyatt

17:32

i hope not

not impossible tbh

who are possible flute targets

17:33

knowing swurtle

17:33

luffy

17:33

and

17:33

jowo?

wait what happens when swurt enchant wyatt

sharl said not luffy

hes angel right

okay

17:33

sharl is good

guys i think town will definitely win

no

17:33

ehh

17:33

okay not a hard no

turning and then getting the cc lynched is still good for wolves

actuallly idk but at this point p unlikely

nothing other the fact that there is one person less to hide in

17:35

they pretty much know the evils

The Queen

turning and then getting the cc lynched is still good for wolves

it's not an awful move, but there are probably better ones

well they either get mato or town has reporter

except for snivy

wait why didnt psychic wolf check

17:36

and sab wolf sab

and jowo was mentioned as a scum

17:36

wolves are weird this game

17:36

cause of them getting caught in their lies instantly

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

6 people missing

5 cause angel doesn't need enchanting

17:36

4 with leila gone

ye

17:36

no

and FPA can promote

yea its gonna be a flute win more likely imo

luffy, risa, jowo, harp, mato

yeah the list was a little flutesided tbh

they are missing

risa isnt affected by flute right

nope

odd

17:37

but we take it

17:37

its detrimental to wolves

I mean flute can still be defeated as long as the other teams see it as enough of a threat

17:38

(I think)

wi

im not keeping up with the game

well leila will get lynched

17:38

and flute will get 2 more

17:38

which leaves 3

17:38

and if wolves go for luffy

17:38

then its over

yea

lol

17:38

we havent had a flute win in 4ever

17:38

will be funny af

fighting FP should require cooperation of the other teams in an #enchanted cc

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

and if wolves go for luffy

knowing them they will

because 2 flutists vs 2 non enchanted with 2 enchants is pretty impossible to lose

Which is why I insisted on making one

ik

why is jowo playing chaotically

i think wolves (excluding ts) had some. pretty thoughtless plays this game tbh

jowo is a troll

well town was fucked since n1

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

i think wolves (excluding ts) had some. pretty thoughtless plays this game tbh

I mean I literally attacked by choosing via $roll

17:40

I did consider if I should A LOT

17:40

but my attack was still random

yeah but at least you had a decent claiming strat and werent inactive and didnt forget about macho

the fp cc one wasnt brainless

17:41

you accidentally ruined towns game

Hosts accidentally leaked that wolves are incompetent so I knew they very likely didnt claim Priest and Oracle

17:41

so I figured ill take the harder one to claim (Priest imo)

it just doesnt feel like harper/leila have been putting a requisite level of effort into this game, which is probably bc of exams, but in that case they shouldnt have signed up

harper never puts any effort into any game

like at least krem whilst he was alive was trying to contribute despite this being his second game

The Queen

harper never puts any effort into any game

true

and leila tried something different

17:42

and hit a wall immediately

so ts, why did you kill me specifically? ping in reply plz @The Queen

she did, but she also (as the most experienced player in pack) completely disregarded having a designated killer and didn't sab at all

If town lynches wyatt tomorrow this will be so funny

Royal Maid

so ts, why did you kill me specifically? ping in reply plz @The Queen

hes said multiple times it was a random roll lol

its was rng

randomized lol

17:43

wyatt says randomized

17:44

hopefully hit a wolf

17:44

please

better a fp

oh alright

if you want town to win

oh yea

actually lynching angel wont be so bad if theyre cooperative at this point

17:51

free kill assuming town sided

Royal Maid

so ts, why did you kill me specifically? ping in reply plz @The Queen

I ran $roll to pick 3 people to cc and wanted to see if any of them would make a good target, I then decided not to kill Vera cause of rp and bc I just didnt want to N1 kill Vera so I rolled between you and fantome and you were chosen

17:52

none of my ccs got me any info

this town is trying to fight off my forces

17:56

but they dont know that their biggest threat to us was eliminated already (edited)

17:57

mwah hahahaha

17:57

sharl is now controlling it

17:58

eon enchant is now better

lo

ussy

are they sniping jowo or swurtle?

swurtle

19:52

they got confused bc jowo is the one voting already

turtle just answered that

i assume

hmm wolves really gonna make it hard for themselves (edited)

19:53

11 with 4 alive

19:53

11 with 5

19:53

10 with 5 sorry

19:53

10 with 4

19:54

i am stupid

19:54

11 with 5 waa right

19:54

yeah wolves are always 1 behind unless angel sides with them

DID THEY NOT REALISE THAT IM DEAD

clearly not

massive brains

19:57

ill send it after the game in quality ccs

20:00

is vera doing voting power of both sides of town

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/986302885958647868/987086342464872458

22:13

Poll #pack

22:13

LMAOOO

22:13

Wait

22:13

I just realized the letters aint randomized anymore oops

ye i create the poll pack

Yea they can be named ourselves

22:17

But my polls are just random anyway

@Host i killed the lynch target since you didnt fsr?

I just ignored it saying it did not run lol, i sware i reacted

Honestly voting Sharl is probably such a good play for the wolves

22:31

Snivy will be basically confirmed priest for the town

22:32

And they will think cc got turned, so they will want to lynch cc

22:33

And furthermore with town wanting Sharl dead, they know Sharl is fp-team (or angel) so unless they think that Sharl is angel it is a safe, good vote.

22:34

And finally town will be happy and feel more confident which will make them less concerned over wolves maybe

hope town lynches a non enchanted and a non flute

i messed up yall

22:38

hi

Hi!

if sharl dies, tonight they will assume snivy is the priest and that the CC has turned

Wild Barbarian Druid

Honestly voting Sharl is probably such a good play for the wolves

it really is

yes and then with reporter

22:47

they know snivy lied

so snivy has to go for reporter

but if they lynch the CC thinking they are pack it will be too late though

Are wolf attacks redirected by flute apprentice?

yes

22:55

Priest was very likely to be exposed either way, but this will at least give them two kills

22:55

oh unless theyre enchanted

22:56

in which case luffy dies which is also workable

turtle wants luffy dead

Well they need to just have Harp vote

22:58

But yeah, looks like it’s gonna be Luffy. If they chose or if they all vote. Cause fa also wants Luffy dead

23:00

Why don’t they want to target fp-team if 2/3rds of wolves are enchanted?

Lord kruthers

I just ignored it saying it did not run lol, i sware i reacted

you did, but too late. You get 30s I think

hu lol i just ignored what i said then

i thought kills weren't affected by redirections? huh

23:22

that honestly seems a little powerful

ye attacks are not effected by them

The Queen

you did, but too late. You get 30s I think

20s

ah

Lord kruthers

ye attacks are not effected by them

they are

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

i thought kills weren't affected by redirections? huh

The role that introduced redirections (Assistant) specifically excludes them

23:28

however FPA is supposed to be a very powerful role, and generally wolves can evade it fairly easily. The FPA redirection is absolutely intended to act as a defense for the FPA

23:29

If the game gets to a point where a FPA exists and all killing roles are enchanted then the other teams screwed up

meh

23:29

i dont like it but its not a big deal so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hell team for example directly blocks kills

23:30

FPA can only defend against players that are enchanted and they know that they may be redirected by FPA

I mean

02:23

It also outs fpa to the killer

02:25

Like any redirection of a publicly revealed effect

02:25

It puts the redirector

no yeah i think town will win 100% totally-

Honestly if they don't target the fps tonight they'll most likely win. They only have 5 more players to enchant, (4 if you don't count angel) and two will be this night and neither (nor already enchanted) will be killed tonight. So they will win next night. Even if they lynch fp or fpa they will still win. (edited)

02:53

Wait I miscounted. I think I forgot Luffy

Luffy is dying

02:54

Iirc

So it's not as close, but still

02:54

Yeah, I counted Luffy dying, but not in total not enchanted

Wait no one is

02:54

Ahh

So they have probably one more night and fp don't win by default tomorrow

03:01

Honestly WWs are lucky that harp is so under the radar. If she gets enchanted tomorrow night and fps don't get lynched tomorrow and the day after, fps win. But probably Snivy is going to get lynched tomorrow, so WWs need to target one fp and not attack with an enchanted player or fp-team wins.

03:03

In short: there are 3 kill opportunities until fps win. Fps are mostly protected from wws and Snivy gets lynched tomorrow, so it's still gonna be close. Looking forward to tomorrow (edited)

they gonna kill luffy and say sharl is an fp boi

Lmao these wolves

They have todo something, the only plus is if they do nothing at least town will think the cc has turned, but the. At least turn them

i am so incredibly done with wolves this game tbh

11:59

at least harper's voted

Flute could easily win tonight

Jup, they just can't enchant Wyatt. But no one is expecting him to be angel.

Imagine if snivy had attacked sharl

15:05

Since he is enchanted

15:06

He would have killed luffy anyway

15:06

Lol

welcome, the town is in mess but im proud of u @Captain of the Kings' Guard

Yeah you did so much good work! Town just had the worst possible start with priest dying n1

flute is highly likely to win

16:06

i wonder if mayor flute is a good idea lol

For flute players I don't think so, because wolves will probably target vera and that would paint a target on their back. For wolves it doesn't matter I think. For town it's probably a good idea though.

the most fucky wucky thing was the cc claiming cit and angel being so unexpected

wyatt is such a big brain angel lol

16:30

so big brain he might not be lynched

16:33

how tf is jowo town

True

thrower

16:33

randomly voting ppl

He fooled wolves at least

acting like angel

16:33

yea lol

Flute probably wins

ngl kinda wanna see a flute win

16:34

its so ironic considering we figured flute out early

I hope oracle checks snivy tonight

16:34

With harper

yea

That'd be interesting

the n1 priest dying was mehhhh

They have to anyways

16:35

The only people oracle can compare rn are mato, snivy, turtle, harper (edited)

16:35

They could use mato, or harper ig

16:36

But i think we lost as soon as priest died

16:36

Which was n1

16:36

So yeah

~~skewed rolelist am i right~~

Yup

16:37

Lone wolf kill too game changing

16:37

I get that it was not used often as a role but still, the extra kill makes towns numbers much too small (edited)

id take disguised fox over a lw

Maybe an idea: What if they can check a person each night and if they get killed by wolves, they find out the wolves identity + win together? And when all wolves but lone wolf die, only then they become a normal wolves. Imo that could make the role more fun and less devastating for town.

please dont fall for it swurtle

16:59

@Captain of the Kings' Guard you know that mats death was just rng right

16:59

ts was between her and les/turtle

17:00

just because of 3 $roll s (edited)

What i mean to say is its a swingy role lol

17:00

Doesnt matter who they specifically killed

Hmm I think people don’t know/forgot that fp got changed/buffed and therefore underestimate them

I am for fp

17:01

just because i once nearly won as fp

I won as fp before

and lost it on the final stretch

Rip

yes but in a main game?

Fingers crossed they make it

In a vip game

vip arent as many as in main

True but its harder to win in vip than main

17:02

More effort required

as fp not really

17:02

fp is bad with numbers

FP now scales to the game

They scale with numbers lol

now yes

17:03

i think i also scaled with numbers

I think they did back then too

back then it was either 1 or 2

17:03

iirc

I won with both flute team alive

yea it used to be 1 or 2

i lost my fpa to a lynch

except if there were several FPs

17:04

then it would always be 1 per FP

ye

17:05

the thing that nearly won me the game was people forgetting i actually played

17:05

I was active but not really and not contributing much

I told them i was psyvhopatj and they believed me

17:06

Because the despot claimed macho but kept getting sabotaged

17:06

That was before the non consecutive nerf of sab wolf

oo

17:12

maybe town thinks swurtle is alone

17:15

who do flutes have to enchant still.

17:16

Harp and risa right

17:16

and wyatt also is in the mix

17:17

but if they hit harp and risa then its over (edited)

true

rn fp dies

so funny that flute talking in flute channel is what kept them alive

just because of jowo

ikr

17:18

LOLOOLL

Jowo is rn the only person voting on the lynch and thats on the fp

yeah but vera will decide soon

ik

17:19

if vera doesnt pick swurtle or sharl

17:19

then towns fucked

town already cant win

17:20

no matter what they do

well they can

17:20

if wolves go for flutes

nah cuz of cursed cit

and towns lynch wolves

17:20

wolves have rn bigger threats

17:20

with 2 flutes

no one knows sharl is flute

well

17:21

if wolves put some thought into it

theyd be more likely to think jowo or wyatt

it cant be jowo

true they checked him

17:22

but even risa

17:22

they have no way to figure it out

17:22

and they said they would let town deal with flutes

at this point

17:22

you cant let town deal with flutes

17:23

Really swurtle

17:23

If you fall for that

17:25

you know that he is cursed civ

17:25

he wont get any info from anyone even if proven unturned

that would be funny if they fell for it

17:26

they know who they are anyways though

yes ofc

Im still mildly pissed that cc claimed cit but oh well

17:31

wrong chat?

17:31

wdym

i sent a cat pic

17:33

its in cool cat gaming btw

lol

Why does Jowo's message in #enchanted_talk look so weird?

Wild Barbarian Druid

Why does Jowo's message in #enchanted_talk look so weird?

too many webhooks and it breaks

Rip bot :(

the bot is fine

18:45

just too many webhooks (edited)

it doesnt break

By break i meant webhooks

Ah ok I though the webhooks broke it temporarily, but if only the message is weird.

not bot

if it hits the webhook limit it sends the message like that instead

its just the one message, its fine

it doesnt immediately create a new webhook to avoid getting hit by the rate limit which could mean messages take a while to be delivered

oh no

19:13

they wanna lynch harp

19:13

this looks like an fp win

Nice

oof

19:28

fps will win

oop

19:50

maybe mato is able to get swurtle out

19:52

oop

19:53

okay mato

is it just me or is mato the Only one actually trying to find fp

19:58

both teams' attitude to fp this game has been awful

19:58

"just let the other team deal with it lol"

Idk if anyone sees the danger of fp rn

it should be very obvious

always consider worst case

vera seems to be under the impression that they have a day more than they actually do

i cant blame them for it

20:00

they do think turtle is the likely angel

20:01

Mato didnt claim cursed cit to a confirmed town which is fair enough (edited)

20:02

if you are cursed you dont want people to know

tbf id probably never claim cursed to town trusted

20:02

not bc of my condition potentially changing (bc thats gting)

20:03

but bc i know on a personal level how easy it can be for town trusted to have a leak

ye

i dont think mato's decision was bad and i dont know why people were so mad about it

arch was mad

20:04

and still somewhat is

20:04

i think (edited)

did snivy tell vera/whoever about them "not being able" to kill sharl?

i think so

why arent they lynching sharl then

good question

20:06

and there might be the game ending ping

20:07

swurtle silent voting

also ngl is it just me or should vera be way more suspicious of turtle?

Yeah

tbf they probs dont have all the info

Also i wouldnt trust an angel claim that asks to be lynched as late as possible

i wouldnt trust an angel claim who came forward as angel at the time they were most likely to be lynched

20:09

but considering the timing, that trust is probably luffy's fault and not vera's

can i tell harp to watch her language

where

wolfpack

youve called people that before stein

yeah

20:09

fair

20:09

i called log that

20:10

i know that

20:10

harp might get mato to go for a flute lynch instead (edited)

wait

20:11

this is such a weird lynch

ikr

20:11

lynch an enchanted wolf

20:11

or scum

20:12

at this stage dont lynch non enchanted

well do

that you think arent fp

because you know theres flutes there

20:12

but like if you know someone is wolf

they all believe swurtle is fp

20:13

why not lynch swurtle

20:13

like

the ONLY way this wouldnt lead to a flute win would be if one of the flute team was already dead

20:13

and then theyd HAVE to lynch the last flute member tomorrow

I think they all believe fpa to be dead, so 4 players to lynch. That's why they think they have more time

and they have no reason to believe the former as far as im aware?

Wild Barbarian Druid

I think they all believe fpa to be dead, so 4 players to lynch. That's why they think they have more time

even still it's only a day more, assuming absolute best case scenario

Sharl is silent as usual when hes evil

which isn't a risk you should really take if you don't have to

he's been alledgedly waterd

20:15

lynch him

especially if you think you still have priest, who can kill a wolf at night

or lynch the fp you think you know

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

which isn't a risk you should really take if you don't have to

true

also wait why is wyatt getting mayor

they think wyatt is an fp

god

20:19

but if they think wyatt is fp... and they know swurtle is fp.... and they know sharl isn't wolf or town...........

20:19

what

20:19

that leaves no room for turtle!

fp win then ig

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

that leaves no room for turtle!

Turtle angel ez

fps didnt even have to TRY lmao

Jester of the Grand Court

Turtle angel ez

but that doesn't make sense bc they already have two fp and one solo/ua, who can't be fp therefore must be angel in their view

oh

20:20

wait why don't they think turtle is wolf?

nope

20:20

angel

big brain

cause he claomed it

because he claimed cc and then cc got revealed so he claimed angel (objectively the least angelly move yet)

20:21

i swear fps didnt even do anything for this win!

But they still suspect Jowo as angel. Why don't they investigate that?

i think both might be the case (edited)

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

i swear fps didnt even do anything for this win!

they didn't make themselves known

well

20:22

Swurtle was very obvious

20:22

and like just look at the numbers of living people

swurtles claim was disproved D1

20:22

sharls done jackshit

20:23

in fact town actively sussed sharl as wolf so he must have messed up somewhere

20:23

and yet???

they needed mat

20:23

but rng gods said no

I guess it's just so many different factors and some might have slipped. + Spectating bias

yeah theres always a spec bias

i mean absolutely

20:24

of course

they never checked harp either LMAO

20:27

eh harp is wolf mato

20:27

but harp is aware of the danger of the flutes

how did they confirm harp btw

a read? idk tbh

you know harper seems to have actually kicked into gear now

20:29

this is some of the better stuff ive seen from her in a while

she knows how to play and when it gets serious and she is involved she can be good (edited)

Signed Up Players | Total: 16

️ - Swurtle (@Lady Swurtle)

- Wyatt (@Lord Wyatt)

- Dragon (@The Dragon)

- harperette (@Princess Harp)

- Sharl Eclair (@Prince Sharl)

- Captain Luffy (@Captain of the Kings' Guard)

‍

- MatMeistress (@Royal Maid)

- Vera but actually a frog (@The King) uglysmile

- Jowo (@Blacksmith)

- the kremblin (@Knight Krem)

- Relaxed Mato (@Archer Mato)

- Risabu (@Scout Risabu)

- Leilaboo (@Right hand to the King)

- Snivy-Ace13 (@Grand Alchemist Snivy)

- Mr. Turtle (@Sir. Tutel)

️ - Jean D. Arch (@Knight of the Kings' Guard) (edited)

ANGEL MAYOR LOL

20:35

SDRTGHHTDTR

20:35

NOW WYATT LIKELY GONNA BE NIGHTKILLED

20:35

and ensures fp win

well

20:36

wyatt wont get night killed

20:36

if harp gets lynched

20:36

cause the game will be over by then

oh true

20:37

LMAO

Everybody will be so surprised lmao

20:38

So I guess less then 2h of gameplay left

probably

20:38

unless they somehow get swurtle out

20:38

and even then

20:38

if sharl is lucky he just needs to hit harp and risa

Yeah, about 33% I think for that?

20:39

chance

yeh

20:39

so unless swurtle gets lynched and sharl hits wyatt this game is over after phase switch

Wild Barbarian Druid

Everybody will be so surprised lmao

they shouldnt be

20:42

this should be at least a possibility very worth considering to... actually, pretty much everyone, but especially town trusted

Yes it should be expected, but I still expect them to be surprised

true

i think they would be more shocked

20:45

than surprised

Probably yeah xD

yea still angel mayor is v hilarious

very yeah lmao

damn i wish flute has less ppl left

20:48

i would LOVE to see wyatt getting NKed

he wont have the chance to be

20:48

an fp win is immediate

20:49

so unless they change their minds and votes in one hour and twelve minutes, game is over

20:49

@Host if they lynch harp, are you going to end game at phase change?

20:52

not mato getting priest right based on entirely incorrect assumptions

- 1x Priest - Mat I guess, bc i have not been purified ?

he thought priest was something that could remove curses...........................................................

if its 2 its too late

21:01

mato

21:01

pls

i just realized that if they made swurt mayor the day before town wouldve had a chance

Turtle changing the course

Vera did the math, it won't concince them (edited)

I am rooting for fp, but I also want to see turtle changing the inevitable. Let's hope

21:13

Oh Turtle convinced Vera

(edited)

Captain of the Kings' Guard

Vera did the math, it won't concince them (edited)

w h y

21:17

swurtle has actually admitted, TO MATO, that theres no way flutes lose if harper is lynched

21:17

WHY JOWO (edited)

WAIT WHAT

They think hes enchanted wolf

okay fair

Which is preferable to unenchanted wolg

BUT STILL

becuase he game through so he is enchanted and they think he is bad, which makes him a good kill

i mean i guess

21:18

fair enough tbh

I guess yeah, but then Wolfs have to kill fp and they have to get the correct fpa tomorrow or they loose anyway

i think they still think fpa is dead

21:19

but wait

21:19

how do they think that if they think wyatt and swurtle are both fp???

Everyone thinks both flutes are alive

they dont think fpa is dead i think

i still dont get the whole turtle/sharl thing

why is jowo wanting to get lynched

Why is Vera inisting FP should be end phase win? makes no sense and is inconsistent

21:20

Jowo has been gamethrowing the entire game

if they think wyatt and swurtle are flute, and they "KNOW" sharl isn't wolf or town, then turtle is a confirmed enchanted wolf

21:21

turtle reads so scummy too

They think sharl is citizen

how?

Oracle

but snivy said they watered sharl and did nothing

in which case they know snivy is an enchanted wolf!

They know sharl isnt wolf

21:22

From oracle

21:22

So they think town

yes but still

g o d

21:22

so they're just not adhering to any logic whatsoever?

there is no reason to not think sharl is evil still

if you go any further than surface deep on any of the claims/maths/logic then you can confirm so many enchanted scum i swear

yeah this game is horrible

21:24

but in town's defense they lost Priest N1 and one of their citizens is literally gamethrowing

that's true

21:26

why is swurtle panicking lol

im confused by what everyone is doing

i dont blame you lol

21:27

nobody is doing anything logical

21:28

turtle seems to actually be using his brain

21:28

finally a ray of hope for wolfkind

21:28

but it sucks for wolves bc if they kill fp, town will probably win despite everything

the wolves are gonna tie bc turtle doesnt know the -1 got removed

i 100% do not think town deserve the win. i don't really think wolves deserve the win. fp have been the best team by doing literally nothing.

21:29

everyone should just kill each other

Town did the best they possibly could have with the roles they had

i guess wolves deserve it most bc turtle has a braincell and snivy did decently

Captain of the Kings' Guard

Town did the best they possibly could have with the roles they had

you're joking right?

What else could they have done

21:30

They played basically perfect

no town is doing horribly

They made no mistakes

lol?

But still losiny

LUFFY HKJFHDKGJ???

What mistake did they make

you believed several claims which actively contradict each other (edited)

Yea but action/lynches have no mistakes

oh my god

Yo mato deduced Sharl?

you can't say town have played "perfectly" because they lynched two scum when they're about to hand flutes the win

What could they have done about the flutes

well, you know

Theres nothing

they could LYNCH A FLUTE PLAYER

If they lynched then they insta lose

21:33

Cuz wolves have equal numbers as them

21:33

Plus cursed cit

21:33

What ur suggesting is handing wolves the win

What if they team up with Angel and go one for one every night? But I guess angel wouldn't do that

21:34

+ They don't even know who is angel

Captain of the Kings' Guard

If they lynched then they insta lose

but they don't know that, because they think they still have priest

They do know that

plus, the stuff about the contradicting claims still stands

I told them yesterday

Wait mato has angel correct?? (edited)

And they already think snivy is wolf

whether or not they're playing a hopeless game right now, and whether or not they know that, there's still the issue that they're not examining any of the claims beyond the very surface

But vera is convincing otherwise

anyway im not arguing this point lol its stupid

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

whether or not they're playing a hopeless game right now, and whether or not they know that, there's still the issue that they're not examining any of the claims beyond the very surface

jup

They have a list of whatbthey think is what

21:37

It does add up, only like 2 mistakes (edited)

Mato is more correct than town smh (edited)

honestly vera isnt playing as badly as towns position would suggest

21:40

theyre not doing awfully, theyre just in a shit situation

swurtle will (probably) die because they arent voting jowo

21:40

if she changes to jowo she would live

yeah

Yeah town losing was out of their control

but disagreeing with the jowo lynch is stupid so it's kinda deserved

They arent really playing bad

i kinda disagree, but i think it was a combination of multiple factors tbh

they're pretty bad, pretty unlucky and have a gamethrower

yeah

the other teams arent any better

yeah

21:41

i hate this game so much

21:41

very glad i didnt play

wolves got lucky but also suck

yeah

flute are also not very competent

up until now none of them were putting any effort in

im so glad I dont have to play this

21:43

also allergies are really killing me now

21:43

I dont even know which team I should be rooting for at this point

Plus i mean if they check sharl is fp it wouldnt work

21:44

Cuz hes fpa

no swurtle will die

21:44

unless swurtle votes jowo

They will probably

doesnt look like it right now

Even then

21:45

If they kill wyatt and think flute is dead

21:45

They might leave sharl

wolves will know which one is the remaining FP

How could they. Theyre gonna guess fp and not fpa

there will not be a FPA

21:46

swurtle will die

21:46

FPA promotes to FP

Oh ur right

if swurtle votes jowo its a flute victory, but looks like swurtle is throwing it away

‍♂️

@Captain of the Kings' Guard one thing i have to know is why you believed turtles angel claim

I didnt really

21:47

I was waiting until later to figure it iut

then why not make any indication of that to vera?

Cuz we were gonna lynch them anyways

21:47

So it didnt matter

i do hope wolves win

21:48

they deserve it most out of the existing teams, which is saying nothing

meh

mato is doing pretty well

21:49

im impressed

yea

for someone with the worst ever role and the worst ever luck (excluding mat), he really did make the most of it

21:49

best town in my book i think

harp already unvoted hepi

21:51

only 5 votes on the lynch target is weak and someone should realize

21:51

theres 8 people online

jowo best scum

21:54

i think flutes might still win

21:54

harper and risa are the logical enchants

is that a win?

i believe so

I dont know whos enchanted

i think its everyone except the flutes, harp, risa, and wyatt

I dont know is sharl is active enough to apply logic

sharl has been driving the flute enchants so far

21:55

so i think so

ah

21:55

wyatt should be the expected wolf kill

exactly

21:55

risa will def get enchanted

21:55

it's just a matter of whether sharl thinks wolves will kill wyatt or vera

21:55

slash if he thinks wyatt is angel

yeah 5 enchanted people, 2 unenchanted, 1 UA, 2 flute

21:56

rooting for flute then

21:56

just because flute never wins

i have revised my desire for a wolf win

21:56

as i simply no longer care

omg mato

21:57

mato best town

21:57

look at scouting

imagine if they somehow tie

21:59

would be hilarious

SWURTLE VOTED

too many switched

its not gonna do shit

21:59

but at least she voted

polls are closed btw

good job :3

wait what

22:01

swurtle lynched?>

22:01

not harper?

yep

Didn't see kruthers type and closed them cause I saw him playing mc lol

Wait Mato even guessed throw correctly??

yep!

22:01

mato elite

but flute still win or what

22:01

or do they need more

unsure rn

3 people left, one is UA

depends on sharls enchants

Mato suspects sharl is fpa, so if wolves are convinced fps loose (edited)

nope

i just needed harp, wyatt, and risa enchanted and then i would of won

only 2 enchants left

it's entirely on sharl, bc enchants are immediate

Sharl just has to pick the right ones

Oh ok

he doesnt need to enchant the angel

True, I forgt the 1/3 chance

wait is jowo not enchanted

from an objective perspective there's a 1/3 chance, but risa is basically a guaranteed enchant, so it's probably 50/50

wait nvm i need 2 see who angel is

jowo is

22:03

wyatt is angel

22:03

risa and harp need to be enchanted

got it

who would you have enchanted, swurt?

22:05

presuming you were in sharls position rn

would i have one or 2 enchants

2

With new update fps have fixed enchants

harp and risa cuz i was gonna hope wyatt will die cuz hes mayor (edited)

Wild Barbarian Druid

With new update fps have fixed enchants

wdym

The amount of enchants doesn'T change during the game or did I misunderstood the first time I played? Might be the case lmao

it never has

Ok I just read it wrong then lmao

22:08

At least now I know better

lol

look at mato

also sharl can win if he doesnt delayed his enchants if he does doesnt he die b4 his enchants go off since wolves r targeting him (edited)

he just became more big brain

even if he does delay (and enchants correctly) he'll win

it doesnt matter when he enchants as long as he enchants the right people

Lets hope they chose the right 2

also what was the plan vera wanted me 2 help out with

i guess from their perspective maybe not?

they dont know wyatt is angel

well mato guesses it

i know

looking at his list

but luffy said he told vera yesterday they couldnt win so????

wait cuz snivy is attacking harp all sharl has 2 do is make sure he enchants risa right

snivy is wolf

y is vera teaming up with wolves wtf

theyre not

22:15

snivy is faking priest

>say you already watered someone idfk

surely this is not a hard concept....

HAHAHAHAHAH

Knight of the Kings' Guard

>say you already watered someone idfk

IKR

im laughing

I'm just annoyed cuz if i enchanted risa or harp instead of arch the game would of been over basically

what me?

22:17

oh true

22:17

i was enchanted

Oh now they finally know Snivy is not Priest lmao

rip

22:19

town had a really strong list, but i guess priest pretty much took them out at the knees

22:20

this was not a bad town list for a 16p game. in any 16p game, town losing their TI/major TK is going to hurt them a lot

i just somehow got lucky with my enchants 4 the most part

also 1.5 gamethrowers

if TK had survived, town would probably have steamrolled

22:20

i stand by that

yeah

22:21

its why the risk of attacking was worth it for me

and now vera is blaming the rl cuz she's cit

failing wouldve been a guaranteed loss but a success would've significantly increased our chances of victory (edited)

it's a shame you had to sub out ts bc otherwise i couldve seen a wolf win

22:21

and a deserved win at that

kinda a shame, but after my outburst I just really had ruined it for myself

22:22

also I barely had any time

yeah i had no clue what was happening with everyone else besides my enchants r still alive somhow

yea idk im cool with being a cit, no pressure on me leading town

and I got hit really badly by allergies today, I feel horrible (though a lot better by now)

22:22

glad I subbed out overall

though in my track record i always get lynched

22:23

as cit

glad ur feeling better ts

The Queen

glad I subbed out overall

yeah, it was probably a good choice for u

22:23

glad u r doing better

Knight of the Kings' Guard

though in my track record i always get lynched

ive never been lynched as town!

22:23

ultimate skill

the better player you are the less likely you are to survive normally

The Queen

kinda a shame, but after my outburst I just really had ruined it for myself

hoping youre feeling better

Glad your better and much health going forward!!!

in fact i think i might have only been lynched twice(?)

22:24

i vaguely remember one wolf game with jurgen where idr how i died

22:24

and then i got lynched as demon once

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

glad u r doing better

I still feel horrible but better than I did the entire day pensivebread

Mato has complete/perfect role list let’s go

jurgen lol

22:25

does it matter, games already over

I only remember being town.. like twice?

22:25

I mean I mustve been town more than that

22:25

but I dont remember

22:25

oh wait I was town in the last game

22:26

I just died immediately so I barely remember

i wish i was still alive so i could end this game

theyre not killing sharl, which is actually fine

22:26

they dont have to

22:26

either sharl wins or the lynch works too

22:26

good move honestly

yeah

22:28

wolves should go for vera

should they? mato makes sense

oh yeah

22:28

forgot mato existed

22:29

either way, if flutes don't win it's a guaranteed win for wolves

yea

so i guess nucleland will fall to our armies

dang

this is what it gets for systemic social inequality

well it was an arranged marriage anyway and I was never a fan of nucleland or the king

did you defect to the pirates?

Wow Vera is gonna be mad lol

lol will they believe that turtle is ww instead of angel

idk pirate life doesnt seem like much luxury tbh

it is when im king

22:30

i treat everyone equally

22:30

its a communist utopia

how long until vera realizes flute basically already wins

i just goint to tell vera we will ask and not

they might get mad at that idk

noice trolling vera

I mean just ask

just ask

nobody is gonna volunteer

22:31

and if not we just dont count them as actually being in the game

22:31

(if we find a sub and sub them in)

~~i'll sub~~

Now we just wait 4 sharl 2 come online and hopefully she wont enchant wyatt

"look harder" how...

WE SHOULD START YELLING TO NOT LET VERA DOWN

I LIKE THIS IDEA

I LOVE CATS

anyway i dont think i have ever subbed out of a game unless something irl came up, like i have had shit shit games but still played

subbing out because the game is going badly is kinda weird

that's basically throwing

i think i asked for a sub once but never got one

22:37

tbf that was due to being meta'd

22:37

meta infected by lw. it was awful

bruh now vera is mad cuz of a wolf win happening which they doesnt see how close flutes r (edited)

*they

i feel bad for vera

they clearly werent given any info

yeah having shitty inactive people 2 work with sucks

22:40

i mean i wasnt given that much info either but somehow fp flew under the radar 4 the longest time

22:41

Vera plz dont leave midgame

its not even midgame lmao

22:41

its endgame

22:42

we'll know by like 7am brit time who's won

or whenever sharl wakes if he enchants the right people

yeah thats what i mean

so based off of me not knowing how everyone else was doing ig i played pretty well lol

more like flutes won cuz of luck vera lol

town werent a bad list at all

22:54

it is just, as i said, 16p lists will always mean town can get gutted with the right kill

LWo is probably the most volatile role there is

yeah

I dont think its a well designed role currently and I dont think it was a good addition in this role list

yeah i agree

22:56

i think town were strong in the wrong places

22:56

TM and claimability were undeniably very townsided

town even without Priest was alright. They had Macho, Ranger and TC going for them

22:56

yea

but oracle was too weak a TI, and LWo too strong a WK

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

why is swurtle panicking lol

sharl and i didn't realize at the time angel was still alive and wasnt enchanted we thought we still had 3 people 2 enchant

lmaooo

22:58

oh come on if thered been huntress instead of priest everyone would have gutted the hosts

the role list wasnt too unbalanced, it was too volatile

yep

22:59

which isnt to say that volatile lists cant work

Priest is also volatile and could've steamrolled wolves

but not in 16p games

if I hadnt killed this would be exactly the other way around

23:00

oh and I do agree that FP was too strong

yeah

23:00

oh yeah

23:00

i said that at the beginning

I think hosts underestimated FPA or forgot they promote

i kinda do wish id been consulted about the rl, but hindsight is 20/20

FPA is quite a bit stronger than FP

23:01

wait actually not currently I think

23:01

would 2 FPs get double the enchants?

23:01

if so I guess its now weaker than a second FP

Flute Player | Solo Power - Flute Team Basics Each night, the Flute Player may enchant a certain amount of players. If all living players are either enchanted, unaligned or Flute team members, the Flute team wins. Details Whenever a player is enchanted, they will immediately join a secret channel with the other enchanted players, but without the Flute Player(s). The Flute Player(s) may see everything said in this channel, from the safety of their own secret channel. If an enchanted player is an investigative role, that is affected by obstructions, they will have a 60% chance that the player is displayed as a Flute Player, and a 40% chance for the inspection to happen normally, whenever they attempt to inspect a player. This effect will disappear once no members of the Flute Player channel or team remain. The players are not told when the effect disappears. The Flute Player is able to enchant 1 player for every ten players in the game (rounded). They may not enchant a member of the flute team or channel. If there is more than one player in the Flute Player channel (not counting Flute Apprentices), each Flute Player will only be able to enchant 1 player for every twenty players in the game (rounded). The amount of players used is the amount of players that are part of the game, not the alive players. If there are multiple Flute Players, then they are one team, and they will work together. If a Flute Player loses their role, they will lose their ability to enchant players. Role changes are not revealed to the other Flute Players. It is never revealed to the Flute Players how many or which players have been enchanted.

nope

23:01

a second FP cuts the enchants in half

23:02

so, yeah a FPA is significantly stronger

23:02

should've been a second FP at most though in a 16p game a single FP is also totally fine

absolutely

Also the reason y i switched my vote 2 jowo last min was cuz sharl thought jowo was angel and since i didnt have any other information 2 disprove it i believed him

Fair enough

00:39

But if u voted then youd have won

00:39

To be fair i should have put a vote on turtle yesterday to check for angel cuz of -1 (edited)

angel doesnt have -1 anymore

00:43

it got removed for exactly that reason

bruh jowo is gonna be so mad when the flutes win cuz i'll be a dead winner lol

Is mato allowed to vote with wolves while hes town

well even when he did tahat

00:54

that

00:54

he still stopped fp

00:54

somewhat

True but he would have done so regardless of who it was

00:55

Which idk if thats allowed

SHARL ENCHANT FFS

OMG SHARL PLZ NO UR THROWING UGH

04:05

I get y Sharl thinks he can’t win but it’s better 2 try and win than give up what’s the worst that happens if Sharl enchants Wyatt

04:08

now i wish i was still alive cuz the game would have ended tonight

and flutes will lose probably

05:12

god damn it sharl

Omg sharl

just say fuck it

05:13

go for the win

05:13

just yolo it

05:13

hope they kill wyatt

05:13

and enchant them 2

05:14

just enchant

05:14

do it

05:14

please

05:14

sharl

05:14

end this game

05:15

just assume wolves kill wyatt

05:15

please

05:15

just be simplistic and go for it

05:17

enchant sharl

05:17

enchant

Y is sharl throwing so hard ur so close 2 winning

God dam nit sharl

#flute_players JUST ENCHANT!

11:29

Yes come on!

JUST ENCHANT HARP AND RISA 2 WIN

Or this game will have to last another whole phase because i have no way to tell what the next days result will be

STOP OVERANALYZING

This is so painful to watch

IKR

PLMAOOOO

It’ll be more painful if Sharl actually throws

Sharl, just please look back and look who was enchanted. I'm pretty sure you (Swurtle) always said in chat who you enchanted

11:35

Oh ok he looked back good

I mean I wouldn’t be a good fp if I didn’t tell my apprentice who I was enchanting (edited)

He does not realise that pack have won the game no matter who they attack tonight, lynch will be sharl either any anyway, and unless pack threw they can win even without turning mato tonight

PLEASE SHARL DO OPTION 2

It’s just mainly cuz fp just have no info on everyone else’s role just cuz we couldn’t really team up with anyone else

enchanting Ris + Harp makes no sense unless priest is still alive though, that could still be possible ????????

He doesn’t realize priest is confirmed dead

cmon pls sharl do it

End the game pls sharl

End our suffering Sharl

11:41

Make us win Sharl (edited)

18 minutes

I STG IF HE DOES NOTHING RN

And now they have gone afk...

11:49

ill do the normal action not used ping in a bit

Ahhh

11:51

Worst thing. Wolves don't even have majority yet if they turn Mato, so going to be pretty boring today

well they do over town, but it depends on sharl and wyatt

11:51

town will have lost this phase but depends who wyatt and sharl vote with

Is he randomizing the enchant rn

NO

Yeah :/ I don't know what Wyatt should do. I see no winning, unless convincing town to at least let the angel win

HE MESSED UP

NOOOOO

NO

Y did he change it 2 Wyatt last min

o7, it was close

11:54

I think this game there has been no like amazing plays, just lots of bad ones

We’re most of my enchants good plays lol

Matos getting into gear was pretty cool, but I have seen too few games to see a lot of amazing plays

no risa is being missed

LMAOOOOOO

11:56

11:57

Do u think town will finally figure out wyatt is angel and bargain with him

Well at least if Sharl’s dying he died trying instead of not enchanting

True

Well Mato knows Wyatt is Angel so he hopefully will do something

but matto will be pack

mato knows pretty much everything?

Its up to rng

11:58

If wyatt gets lynched

Shouldn’t flutes still win if Wyatt is lynch cuz he flutes Risa

Bruh I am listening to a VOD rn and right after I typed 'true' I tabbed back over and unpaused and the next word was 'true' lmao

Yea

So how does the 1/3 thing work with the enchanting Angel and how do we know if it worked or not

what 1/3rd thing

12:04

there was a 33% you guys would win

12:05

which should have triggered if sharl just kept true to the colours of fps and enchant non mayors

12:08

what is jowo doing

NO IT WASNT A GOOD OPTION 2 LYNCH ME IF I WAS STILL ALIVE THE GAME WOULD BE OVER

true!

Cuz I wouldn’t haven known that Wyatt was Angel but I would have enchanted Risa and Harp hoping 4 a Wyatt lynch if I was still alive

or kill

12:13

the way wolves always killed mayor just continue that way

That 2 and I don’t think Sharl realizes psychic wolf is still alive

Yeah and if they lynched Harp as originally planned, you would've won no matter what

^

I don’t know y Vera was being so indecisive yesterday and kept changing the lynch option

Everyone thinks jowo is angel

12:16

Matos list is literally it

12:17

Now sharl got the info

12:17

he could have won

At least Sharl realized how he fucked up

jowo stop

12:18

like just stop

If town and sharl vote wyatt they win, because wyatt will follow allong

12:18

just jowo

get risa to vote wyatt

12:19

and make wyatt pick risa

Well no, cause flute will win first right?

thats fps last chance

12:19

no

12:19

angel wins and fp

Vera is right an immediate FP win is best for town

Oh you mean flute win my bad. I thought town win

No town lost

12:20

no matter what

once your loss is guaranteed your goal should be to loss as fast as possible

12:20

and FP is the fastest loss

12:20

hence the most favorable outcome for town

Fp just needs risa out

If FP win its best for them as they then lose alive (edited)

yea and its also better for all dead townies

12:21

since they'll be dead for fewer phases

12:21

wolf win will still take a few

Its easier to vote for wyatt as wyatt will then abstain and town can not give pack a win (if they do its throw again)

itll take like kill, angel lynch?, kill, lynch

12:21

2 more days

OMFG Jowo did u not just hear Vera’s reasoning

Vera said they already know all the wolves!! Why is Jowo going on about Turtle being a wolf?

Cuz Jowo knows turtle is a confirmed wolf

yes but they said get angel out and let fp win insta

Also if Wyatt is in the majority 4 lynch and everyone voted can u plz ask 4 the ff

12:34

But y does Jowo think kings making is throwing

whos throwing?

12:36

eh

12:37

WHAT IS JOWO DOING FFS (edited)

Don’t listen 2 turtle Jowo

AAAAAAAA

12:38

If it ties fp also wins

Wouldn't it be better for town to vote a wolf though? This way fp is guaranteed to win as angel could always choose fp to die instead

but that would just make angel lose (edited)

12:38

nah

i am trying to make it obvious to him that if he does what i think he wants todo, he will be considred game throwing (again)

Get angel out and get risa to vote them

12:39

make wyatt target risa

WHY IS HE LISSENING TO A WOLF

and its over

LIKE I CANT EVEN COMMENT ON THAT OR I WOULD BE INTERFEARING AHHHHHHHHH

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

but that would just make angel lose (edited)

True. Would love to see angel win. I just mean it's the most reliable way for town

TOWN LOST EITHER WAY

JOWO initially wanted Turtle out cuz he was a wolf Y IS HE LISTENING 2 HIM NOW

WHAT

I am about to throw my phone at max power against the wall

Barbaric Stein, Barbarian Leader

I am about to throw my phone at max power against the wall

please dont

https://tenor.com/view/throw-phone-gif-5747280

Wait where is it

embed fail

ffs

12:41

there

Thanks Stein

12:42

JOWO TOWN CANT WIN ANYMORE STOP THINKING TOWN CAN STILL WIN

I will singlehandedly sub myself in for jowo

12:43

and end this

12:43

literally

12:43

idc anymore

Im sorry what "We can win if the team winning go inactive!" WHAT (edited)

12:49

Do i comment that going inactive is not a strat and as bad as gamethrowing...

Somehow watching this day phase has been even more pain than watching Sharl debate over enchant and misenchant

12:50

If u want 2 sure 2 get Jowo off the fact that the strat is a good idea

12:53

We feel ur pain as much as u do Vera rn

12:55

R u getting a sub 4 Jowo

yes

12:55

because this is not bareable anymore

12:56

okay sharl gave up

12:57

This game was just bad

if only they didn’t decide 2 lynch me last min we would not have experienced this pain

not list or hostkng wise

12:58

just players and decisions ruined it

Lady Swurtle

if only they didn’t decide 2 lynch me last min we would not have experienced this pain

it was a wolf snipe with cc

If jwow was still new i would understand , but they have played 5 now

I don't know if Jowo is feeling hurt and is going therefore going against town, because they were feeling insulted and misunderstood (becuase they weren't very active in ccs so don't know as much) or is trolling

It seems like he still think he has a chance at winning

Ok Sharl cooled down a bit, maybe he can explain

Or hopefully Risa can get online soon and she can help explain 2 Jowo

he

This is all a mess. Everyone shouting at each other. Jowo first trolling then not having all the info and being confused by whats happening which makes the people mad that are trying to work out the best way for them to win/loose.

ITS EITHER FP/ANGEL WIN OR WOLF WIN JOWO TOWN WIN ISNT AN OPTION

Ok they understood now I think. Getting them up to speed and no more shouting.

Their vote has not changed tho

13:07

how long will it take Jowo 2 actually change their vote

13:08

JOWO STOP ASKING TURTLE SHIT

13:10

Wait Mato is voting Wyatt now interesting

Would't that be considered throwing thoug?

13:11

*though

He just switched his vote

mato just dont

13:15

just dont talk with vera about that (edited)

13:15

they are the last person you want to talk about this with (edited)

this game is a mess with gamethrowing, bad plays and subbing. One of the worst in a while

New season and one of the worst starts you can imagine

what about this

13:17

eliminate point and rank system

Considering what else is happening I actually played well 4 once

this way ppl can enjoy ww games more

Like the role list was meant to be unpredictable and close, but this, this is just shit

Knight of the Kings' Guard

this way ppl can enjoy ww games more

That’s what offseason games r 4

Thats the biggest issue with small games they are so easy to go wrong

competitiveness can make ppl toxic

yes

Risa and Wyatt get on so plz so we can end this

13:20

Do u think Wyatt will side with wolves or fp and town 4 his Angel vote

yeaaahhh

13:20

well if he keeps rnging that will be funny

the rng is probs just between sharl and risa

13:21

as they are pretty much the deciding factors

Risa will vote 4 Wyatt cuz he’s town (edited)

risa is a male

sorry about me getting pronouns fucked

just dont miss-gender vera and you can still live

Yeah I can misgender them or I’ll feel their rage

Tf happened here

13:28

Imma just post dancing in the chat

Tldr Sharl misenchanted Jowo was throwing badly but they look like they stopped and we’re waiting on Risa and Wyatt 2 vote

>early game vera: pissed at you for not rping late game vera: pissed at you for rping

Wyatt will vote himself

hahahaahahaha

Basically all that matters is if sharl dies or not

Risa should vote Wyatt and as long as Wyatt doesn’t use his Angel kill on sharl fp won

Regarding Veras strategy I think it's not only the right move from a points perspective, but also just the most logical move

14:02

Live losing makes sense to be the better option over death losing

14:02

So I definitely wouldnt consider this an oddity of the rating system like turtle is saying

i also don't think competitiveness drives toxicity, i think stress does

14:20

we've had some os games get a little dicey before

14:20

anyway i might just not read town square for my own sanity

14:25

i mean, presuming wyatt votes for himself, sharl just needs to remove his vote and he'll win, but that won't happen because sharl is too far ahead in terms of timezones

Wait if sharl votes 4 Wyatt fp doesn’t win only Angel

ye, that can happen

14:39

depends on who the angel kills

Wyatt plz don’t choose Sharl ffs

tbf if wyatt is lynched they can chose who they want to take with them, or let it be random, which will decide the game

14:42

what ever happens this is the last phase anyway

competitiveness builds up stress to some ppl

Wyatt isn’t targeting Sharl yay I win

Nice, game is over

anyone else feeling real sleepy from the heat

Yeah I’m heat sensitive and the heat always makes me feel tired and hot headed

i just hate it

How hot is it in Europe right now

rn 30° C

17:44

86° F

Thank god America has AC I hope Europe gets its in most buildings soon

Its 30.1°C in my room rn :((

damn thats like normal temp

17:58

here

17:58

i get real annoyed at 35 tho, it feels like 40 degrees indoors

theres in general a 13 degree difference between outdoor and indoor temps here

17:59

so 34 yesterday was unpleasant

imo summer is the worst season

Agreed

autumn>>>>>>>

Summer is the best, but this weather is just pain, like mid to high 20, as long as it get cools at night, it so nice

@Host u might wanna ask if they want an ff

19:02

outcome is set

Sharl has what a 1/4 chance of losing

19:42

Nvm

19:42

Didn't see Wyatt set a target

19:48

@Right hand to the King how come no sabs

idk ig we didnt have anyone we really wanted to sab

there was no point in not sabbing

imma sab the sab

hey i'm here for the post game arguments when are they happening

Game sucked not enough cits

22:11

I'd have had 8 cits

22:11

4 wolf

22:11

2 imps

22:11

1 chef

can i have best town role again pretty please

n o

pleasssse

22:13

i want

n o

but but but

n o

congrats on your win sharl

First WWR fp win

Princess Harp

hey i'm here for the post game arguments when are they happening

all the postgame args happened ingame so there arent any

there is one

22:16

we haven't had

22:16

why did the game in june

anyway @ town jowo is getting done for gamethrowing so i hope this mediocre justice helps a little

not have a pride month theme

pirates ARE pride month

Idt the aristocracy are gay

yeah thats why they got murdered

not all of them

22:17

looks at the prince with malicious intent

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

all the postgame args happened ingame so there arent any

o yeah trueee

so many cc's

22:18

yet

22:18

i was only in a small percentage

22:18

im guessing it was really obvious i wasnt priest because its a really hard role to pretend to be

22:19

btw if i may ask why was i subbed in?

MOST EXCELLENT PIRATE KING JAY

anyway @ town jowo is getting done for gamethrowing so i hope this mediocre justice helps a little

just wait until i can promote

22:19

>:)

i'd like to suggest a wolf that can kill itself at any time to immediately kill another player but im not allowed to talk in suggestions

we do most role suggestions via github now!

ohhh ok

22:27

ill see if i can get an account

but generally thats not a very good tradeoff for wolves unless they've essentially already won or it's between them and solos, and in that latter scenario it seems unfair to solos

well I'm happy with the flute win I guess

22:29

not sure what we could have done there with priest gone

hmm alright maybe if it also skipped straight to the night phase or skipped voting that phase ig that would be a little bit fairer but yeah ill potentislly continue on github

Jester of the Grand Court

First WWR fp win

hey what about me i also won

he said fp

true tho

again this is literally the first time i've seen points brought up in game

so what did i miss

i didn't know we even had points till like maybe a year ago

sharl and i were fp and won and wyatt as angel won

it was basically a stalemate in the end but fun game though

Vera always cares about points

does seem that way, but horribly inaccurate my reasoning last time was joke reasoning, i was just happy that i would get platinum, i got it anyways the reasoning this game is that with a live loss and an early game end, town is better off. and i did NOT want wolves to win to i decided to be kingsmaker because wolves had had it too easy. please dont assume this kinda stuff about me, as harp said, ive never cared. This is better for town. and thats just a fact. @Sir. Tutel

oh hey here they are

Princess Harp

hey i'm here for the post game arguments when are they happening

referring to this not just to u

22:54

pronoun moment