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Alpha Wolf | Werewolf Power Basics The Alpha Wolf has two votes on the wolfpack poll. Additionally, the Alpha Wolf may once overwrite the decision of the wolfpack. Details When the Alpha Wolf votes on the wolfpack poll, their vote appears normally, however internally it is counted with the value 2. Once per game, the Alpha Wolf may determine the target of one wolfpack attack, instead of it being decided by the wolfpack. If there are several wolfpack polls the Alpha Wolf can choose which one to overwrite. If there are none, they can not use their power. Overwriting the wolfpack poll is an end night ability and makes the Alpha Wolf execute the attack. The wolfpack is informed that their attack was overwritten and who was attacked at the end of the night. When they overwrite the wolfpack poll, the Alpha Wolf may also choose to reveal themself to the pack.

Damn im at work

✅ Created #hi!

Signed Up Players | Total: 14

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- harperette (@Harp)

- Captain Luffy (@Luffy) realsad

realsad

- Jayanna (@Jayanna)

- Leilaboo (@Leila) bonk

bonk

- Meuh (@Meuh)

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- MatMeistress (@Mat) roald

roald

- Jean D. Arch (@Arch)

- Dennis (@Dennis)

- Mr. Turtle (@Turtle)

- Sharl Eclair (@Sharl)

️ - Ts (@Ts)

- Quantum (@Quantum)

- Wyatt (@Wyatt)

- federick (@Fed) (edited)

Leila Meuh Jean Dennis Sharl fed

You can determine a target at any time during the night by asking nicely. I won't remind you again @Participant

alright

does the wolf role get a SC thonk

thonk

it does

cool

22:25

thats good

its just werewolf

I think it didnt have it some time ago

we made it so every role gets its own cc a while ago

yea

and wolf is just ww, but renamed

22:26

cuz werewolf is the info for the alignment

yea

22:33

Wyatt and Luffy both wanted to do TI

22:34

so I guess Luffy isnt WWW

22:34

Wyatt could've hoped he's stopped (he did add "I always fake claim ti")

22:34

so I guess harp > wyatt > luffy

Vera

we made it so every role gets its own cc a while ago

after the Big Butcher Controversy

Meuh voting fed for lynch

16:30

so more angel softclaiming which implies not angel

16:31

and turtle for mayor

Jay

after the Big Butcher Controversy

wait what was the big butcher controversy?

dennis not huntsman, arch unlikely, meuh possible - based on reaction to fake huntsman

✅ Created #tsmat!

Ethan

wait what was the big butcher controversy?

dont invade ccs and scs while people are trying to do game related things, you can always ask later

whats the numbers

18:30

12p at night, 4 wolf, 6 town, 2 other

18:31

assuming the current polls hold, we have mayor

18:32

possibilities: 1 Wolf Kill (cannot be blocked) 2a no WWW Kill 2b WWW Kill on Mayor Wolf 2c WWW Kill on non-Mayor Wolf 3a no Assassin Kill 3b Assassin Kill on Town 3c Assassin Kill on Mayor Wolf 3d Assassin Kill on non-Mayor Wolf

18:36

base case: X undecided => 2 A 6 town => 6 B 4 wolf + mayor => 5 action results: 1 => A -1 2a => / 2b => B -2 2c => B -1 3a => / 3b => A -1 3c => B -2 3d => B -1 best case: 1 x 2a x 3b => X2 A4 B5 worst case: 1 x 2b x 3d => X2 A5 B3

18:37

we shouldn't have added luffy, it served no point

Angel | Unaligned Miscellaneous Basics The Angel wins when they are lynched. Details When the Angel wins, the Angel ascends and stops playing. The game continues. On all public votes the Angel starts out with -1 invisible votes. The Angel may select a player that dies when the Angel is lynched, if this player has voted for the Angel when the Angel is lynched, it is announced and they will also die. The Angel may change their target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Angel wants to. The Angel cannot select themself. Targetting a player is an immediate effect. If they haven’t selected a valid target, a random player that has voted for the Angel is selected instead. If the Angel is lynched by unusual means (e.g. by the invisible Stalker votes or the Executioner selecting them) the player responsible for this will die with the Angel. If nobody except the Angel has voted for the Angel, nobody dies. If the Angel's target didn't vote for the Angel, but did put invisible votes on the Angel, they are considered a valid target.

possible strategy: vote for dennis, it'd be random enough that I can probably get away with it and dennis is right next to turtle

18:41

I need to find that source of dennis=angel

18:41

https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209455407407175/969379783727255602

18:42

Mat said so

18:42

apparently

holy shit im incompetent

i am not convinced

00:54

oh well

now that im more awake I get it

13:22

arch is the www kill, leila the assassin kill, jay the wolf kill

13:22

meuh couldnt have been the www kill

~~url~~

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962372264316264478/969960549351841822/unknown.png (edited)

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15:57

anyway why is that a rule

15:57

im only admin ingame not gm ingame pensivebread

pensivebread

L

18:17

what even does that rule mean

executioner can still change their target for the lynch even after theyve already lynched

18:20

this is relevant for spreading the plague, activating a bard and probably some others

18:20

but it makes no sense and is stupid?

Executioner | Townsfolk Killing Basics Whenever the Executioner is chosen to be lynched, it will be prevented, and a player chosen by the Executioner will be lynched in their place. Details The Executioner may target a player. This target can be updated once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Executioner wants to. Targeting a player is an immediate effect. The Executioner may alternatively choose to not target any player. If the Executioner would be lynched, their target is (indirectly) lynched instead. If there is no target, nobody is lynched. When the Executioner changes the lynch, their role is revealed to all, and the targeted player is lynched immediately. This ability will only work once. Future lynches will behave as normal. When the Executioner tries to lynch a player protected from the lynch, the lynch is cancelled and the Executioner is revealed, but nobody is lynched.

i need to send more messages in #town_square but sending messages in #town_square would be bad for us realmad

realmad

18:28

like I guess normally id ask for lynch target, but if I dont ask and they dont announce why would I ask cause then I need to vote for likely angel

18:28

horrible

18:29

im not sure why they havent announced a lynch and election atrget yet its very strange

18:31

there could be a strategy behind it... but I doubt it

Ts

im only admin ingame not gm ingame pensivebread

pensivebread

fixed

thanks

18:37

i wanted to be GM again anyway

possibilities: 9p confirmed: 3w, 1www, 4t possible: 1ua or 1t possible scenarios: 4t/1ua fed=angel a) www dies 7p 3w, 4t(+m) b) t dies b1) 7p 3w, 1www, 3t b2) 7p 3w, 1www, 3t(+m) 4t/1ua fed≠angel 8p 3w, 1www, 3t(+m), 1ua 5t 8p 3w, 1www, 4t(+m)

19:05

if we assume 4t/1ua f=a, kill on t we get 7p 3w, 3t(+m?), 1www in this case assassin kills harp, we kill dennis (unless killed by angel, if so we kill any other town), resulting in: 5p 3w, 2t or 5p 2w, 2t, 1www

19:06

the worst case would be that Sharl was angel

19:07

which is possible because it was a bad n1 nk but oh well

assuming 7p 3w 4t(+m) assassin shoots w wolfs shoot m => 5p 2w 3t no lynch, t as mayor => 5p 2w, 3t(+m) wolf kill m => 4p 2w, 2t

19:19

if we get the best case scenario (fed is angel and kills town) then we can afford to be wrong about WWW, otherwise probably not

Disguised Fox | Werewolf Power Basics Each day, the Disguised Fox may select a disguise, and the disguise will be announced to the Wolfpack. Once per game, the Disguised Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Disguised Fox may either select a disguise or choose to join the wolfpack. If the Disguised Fox does not select a disguise, they will be disguised as a citizen. The Disguised Fox's disguise is a strong disguise. The Hosts inform the wolfpack at the start of each night that a Disguised Fox has chosen a disguise and what the disguise is. The Disguised Fox's disguise wears off at the end of each night. The Disguised Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Disguised Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Disguised Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not select a disguise for that night, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack and selecting a disguise are immediate abilities.

huh DF is a strong disguise

20:16

that makes no sense, logically it should be weak

20:20

oh my what does this even mean If an action that would usually cause a reveal is redirected, the feedback is also failure. The action still happens (but with the player it was redirected onto and not the original target), but nobody is revealed.

20:20

if the Barber shoots a redirector, the redirector's target dies, the Barber is told failure and the Barber isn't revealed?

20:20

but this is an impossible scenario

20:20

oh it isnt FPA exists

20:21

I forgot FPA exists

20:21

huh

20:21

(im re-reading the rules)

20:22

They seem incredibly thorough

Lupine Cupid | Unaligned Align - Townsfolk Base Alignment Basics The Lupine Cupid is a cupid whose lover is a member of the werewolf team or wolfpack. Details If the cupid selects a lover from the wolf team or wolfpack, or if their lover joins the wolf team or wolfpack, the cupid turns into a Lupine Cupid. The Lupine Cupid works like the cupid, with a one exception: The Lupine Cupid cannot be killed by the werewolves. If any werewolf or member of the wolfpack attacks the Lupine Cupid the attack fails. Additionally, they are a lycan, but do not join the pack. The Lupine Cupid's win condition is not changed.

wth

didnt you make most of these

absolutely

lmao

Flaming Cupid | Unaligned Align - Townsfolk Base Alignment Basics The Flaming Cupid is a cupid whose lover is a member of the pyro team. Details If the cupid selects a lover from the pyro team, or if their lover joins the pyro team, the cupid turns into a Flaming Cupid. The Flaming Cupid works like the cupid, with an exception: The Flaming Cupid cannot be powdered or ignited by the pyro team. If any member of the pyro team powders the Flaming Cupid it silently fails. If any member of the pyro team attacks the Flaming Cupid the attack fails. The Flaming Cupid's win condition is not changed.

20:40

Cupid Wolf | Unaligned Align - Werewolf Base Alignment Basics The Cupid Wolf is a cupid that has been infected by the infected wolf. Details If turned into a wolf in any way, the cupid turns into an Cupid Wolf instead. The Cupid Wolf works like the cupid, with one exception: The Cupid Wolf's default win condition is to win with the werewolf team. If the lover is on a different team, they will only win when both win conditions are fulfilled. For example, if the couple is Cupid and a citizen, everyone else must die. If the lover is also part of the werewolf team, they are werewolf aligned and can win together with them. If the lover is unaligned, the couple can either win with the werewolf team or with the lover's win condition.

holy shit

20:41

how thorough is this

very

lets go.

7p, 3w, 1ww, 3t(+m) if all goes as planned 5p 3w, 2t possible alternative: 5p 2w, 1ww, 2t

wait let me think

21:26

we can have dennis live

21:32

damn wish there was a lynch tomorrow

hehehe

21:35

so i take it you like the altered angel

sure

21:36

is that a suggested permanent change?

we have: ~~url~~

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/445 (edited)

Angel noob role · Issue #445 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

Angel is too easy to win with right now, and needs a harsher consequence for ascending.

really

well it was suggested

id be fine with it

and jay suggested we put it in the game to make a more wolf-sided ua

21:37

i like the change

ive opened two new issues btw that arent in #role-changes: ~~url~~ ~~url~~

gives angel more of a challenge

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/448 (edited)

Cursed Civ fix? · Issue #448 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

Here's another attempt to fix the CC role. I haven't thought about this very much so it may be super flawed. CC becomes an UA role, that wins with town. If the CC is attacked by a w...

21:37

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/449 (edited)

Plague Doctor · Issue #449 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

There is nothing the Plague team can do against the Plague Doctor, and since Plague team is the PD's only enemy nothing is stopping the PD to just say "I'm the PD"...

im crying ts

21:37

this pings me everytime

sad

21:37

we should have it so this ignores Admins

good fix

21:38

please do that

oh and I have a suggestion to get rid of the stupid targetting rule

21:39

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/447 (edited)

21:39

idk why thats a rule

i didnt understand the rule at first

21:40

its very specific

I'm not sure why it exists?

21:40

did anyone really want it

21:40

Im confused

idk who made it, maybe they had a good reason

does it even apply to roles beside Executioner?

21:40

ive been thinking what the reason couldve been

21:41

I mean I guess you could still target bard?

21:41

but its still stupid

idk

21:41

i dont have anything to add, it doesn't make much sense, im not sure why its there

it didnt emerge from any issues or PR

21:42

it was just already there in the first version of that rule

where did the immediate abilities thingy come from

21:42

the little text, who made those

21:42

they were just there one day

oh wait I actually found it

~~url~~

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/320 (edited)

Executioner targetting · Issue #320 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

[S6G5] Can the Executioner still target players once they've used their power? This is relevant in combination with Bards or Reaper.

oh sorry

yeah i still stand with what i said

21:44

it was allowed once when it was an unclear rule but we shouldnt depend on that

sounds like there was no reason to allow it (edited)

21:44

just that it had been allowed once

21:44

which is a bad reason

i dont remember v2g4

so yeah we should be able to safely remove it

yeah

21:45

gonna merge it then

epic

21:45

I want to get rid of issues and prs

cant even find where in v2g4 it was allowed

same

21:46

maybe it was just discussed but didnt end up being used?

21:46

the only thing I could think of is that we wanted to use Assistant to spread the plague to wolves or something(?)

21:46

which barely makes sense

doesnt make sense really

Clairvoyant Fox | Werewolf Investigative Basics Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may investigate one player, and the results will be known to both them and the Wolfpack. Once per game, the Clairvoyant Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may either investigate one player or choose to join the wolfpack. When the Clairvoyant Fox investigates a player they see that player's role. The investigation is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. If the Clairvoyant Fox survives the day, the result of the investigation is announced to them as well as to the wolfpack at the start of the night. The wolfpack only sees the result and that it's from a Clairvoyant Fox - they don't know who was checked. The Clairvoyant Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Clairvoyant Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Clairvoyant Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not investigate that day, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack and investigating a player are immediate abilities.

Ts

I want to get rid of issues and prs

gonna be hard tho, probably

21:55

theres a bunch of stuff that i dont remember ever seeing

21:55

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/361 what even is this

Suggestion: Solo Cupid Power · Issue #361 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

"what about instead, lc lover can choose one pack member to lose their private vote every even night"

yeah I was thinking the same

21:56

presumably suggested by Jay since they're assigned and the initial message is a quote

21:56

oh lc lover is lupine cupid's lover

oh god not the cupids

21:57

theyre a great solution but oh god im avoiding cupid because of that

22:03

we have a lot of role suggestions that people stopped working on

should we just get rid of those? some of them got a bunch of negative feedback

probably

22:04

if the creator is still interested they can bring them back later

i think at some point we all assigned ourselves a bunch of issues and PRs and some people worked on them and some stopped working on them

22:07

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/366 i hate this issue

What is "alignment"? · Issue #366 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

I think its a valid question

it really is

22:08

but its more that i have no goddamn clue what an alignment is now

22:08

theres like levels of alignment

22:08

it makes no sense

yea

22:09

I think a huge confusing factor is that Unaligned roles arent unaligned

22:09

they're not part of one of the teams

22:10

but the most common idea of alignment seems to be sort of like win condition (for win conditions of the form X people must die)

okay well if the www is still alive them winning can be stopped

13:09

yeah I think town gets this one

13:10

hm unless I lie, then maybe there's a chance

13:11

I claim I'll kill Wyatt at night since he's the obvious choice, but I override and kill Luffy. I make me Mayor. If I die then the www will be missing the votes to win the next lynch (a 1www vs 2t situation), dying via lynch giving town the win

13:12

which imo is preferable over the www winning

13:12

if wyatt choses not to kill me we'll be left in a 1www + 1w(+m) vs 2t situation

13:12

which honestly could go any way

13:13

so that's not a safe situation but it's the best I could get

13:13

if luffy is www and choses to kill me we'd still lose because then Wyatt would be a single remaining wolf

13:14

If either Wyatt or Luffy at ALL questions what I do today I'll kill change prioritizes to kill them

13:15

Wyatt was too quiet for the entire game but he's convincing for now

13:15

there's no danger in regards to town with making me mayor, since there's no lynch today

13:16

if any wolf dissents they must be the WWW

13:17

in the 1www vs 2t situation both Quantum and Meuh would be fully confirmed guaranteeing a town win and importantly for me a www losss

13:18

we also have the scenario that wyatt will kill me leaving luffy vs 2 confirmed town, a loss

13:19

I can avoid this by telling Wyatt I will override the kill from him to luffy (which would be true) thereby forcing him to keep me alive as well as he'd need my vote (once again the townies are confirmed)

13:19

yes I think this should work, if I'm Mayor there's no way for the www or wolves to win with me dead

13:20

I just need both to think that I suspect the other one. I think its good that Wyatt is the more suspicious one, because I believe he'd be easier to convince I dont suspect him that Luffy

13:24

luffy could dissent but I don't see what that would gain him? he'd definitely lose then, whereas if he doesn't he'd still be able to win wyatt doesn't seem like he's doing it (edited)

13:25

so optimally wyatt is www that's fine with voting with me

oh wait a minute

13:34

Luffy was blocking me from getting Reporter

13:34

I didnt care to argue

13:35

even better makes him more likely than wyatt

13:35

but wyatt remains the more obvious target

13:36

so I think at this point town has the highest chance of winning, a small wolf chance and no chance for www

13:36

sucks that the pack was so weak

13:38

realistically luffy would believe he could lynch me during the next day with the help of the 2 town votes, so there's a small chance he goes with the plan, wyatt doesn't have a clear path to victory, but it should be better than any alternatives

13:39

in a (1www 1w(m) 2t) setup luffy would be the far stronger enemy (with him being trusted and all)

13:39

wyatt I'm pretty sure I could manage to take us both down

new strat is to pretend I believe the www is dead

14:24

I mean maybe its possible?

14:26

harp at the end wasn't a very convincing www (pretty accepting of her death), luffy blocking Reporter is a huge red flag, and Wyatt is suddenly pretty convincing

14:26

though Wyatt suddenly being convincing is in itself kind of suspicious

14:32

hm would me being mayor force www to kill even if it leads to a loss for them

14:34

okay well my new analysis results are: luffy > wyatt > harp

14:35

my previous strategies were to guarantee a www loss, but to do that it's very unlikely to get a chance of a wolf victory

scenario #1: luffy is www - we make wyatt mayor - we vote a random townie - i tell luffy I will secretly overwrite kill wyatt and made him mayor to make him believe I believe that www is dead - i overwrite onto luffy 1a) no www kill: - 4p 2w(+m), 2t => wolves win 1b) www kills me: - 3p 1w(m), 2t => wolves win 1c) www kills mayor: - 3p 1w, 2t => town wins

14:48

scenario #2: - we make me mayor (exposing us as wolves) - we kill wyatt (but actually luffy) scenario #2 from luffy's perspective - 5p 2w(m), 1www, 2t a) n4: 4p 1w(m), 1www, 2t - d4: 3p 1w(m), 1www, 1t - n5: 2p 1w(m), 1www - d5: I would lynch www => www loss b) 3p 1www, 2t => www loss

14:49

so what's better a guaranteed www loss or a guaranteed www or wolf win

14:51

If Luffy turns out to be WWW him blocking Reporter was a huge misplay. If I had gotten reporter I wouldn't know anything more than I do now, and would've killed wyatt first

14:53

New strat: - Make luffy mayor: Reason: than either of us can defeat wyatt in a 1v1 - Vote a random townie on the wolfpoll - we cant stop the www kill anyway so there's no reason to kill the www in that night

14:53

him that wont work

14:53

The only way for us to win is if www thinks they can win even if they dont kill

14:54

and that's only possible if mayor is not in play

15:00

another try: - I somehow ensure we dont get a mayor - We kill wyatt via poll

15:00

I think that's the best move

15:00

its riskier than a guaranteed www loss strat, but it gives us a chance to win

15:01

how do I stop mayor from occuring

15:02

i can make luffy mayor

15:02

oh I cant

15:05

I need to pretend to make mistakes just in the right way

15:05

then there's a small chance

15:07

n4: wolf ff d4: tie n5: town nk d5: town lynch n6: www win

15:08

hope I dont regret this, but what point is there in trying to ensure a www loss at any price

15:10

summary: if im mayor, I can guarantee a www loss if alive, so www has to kill me even if they'll still lose, meaning we'll end up both losing. If I'm not Mayor www has a chance of winning so there's a chance they'll keep me alive so there's a chance we can win

interesting luffy was claiming harp would kill someone and it turned out to be true: https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969264954416975882/969720075701616743

15:19

luffy insisting on killing butchers even though its a bad idea https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209455407407175/969330650404487168

15:20

and he didnt bring up killing meuh again even though we both agreed on it: https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209455407407175/969378250675605514

15:21

luffy not sharing secrets with members of his team: https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969264954416975882/970044462053068820

15:21

wyatt just didnt do anything

15:22

the only thing supporting luffy was always the TI claim which Wyatt was also willing to do. Wyatt has no suspicious behaivor, though arguably he doesn't have much behaivor

15:22

also all interactions today seem pretty good

hm even then its most likely a town victory

15:33

unsure how wolves were supposed to win this

hm not it might have a chance of working

16:36

the plan: - no mayor - we vote for wyatt in wolfpack, this would make wyatt a kingmaker, we'd appeal to him to give us the win - I overwrite to luffy a) luffy was www, we win b) wyatt was actually www, its 1w vs 1www vs 2t (could go either way w or www) c) i die anyway, town wins however from luffy's perspective the options would be: a) he doesnt kill: its him and me vs 2t b) he does kill me: he gets lynched the next day c) he kills wyatt: this would be the right move to make for him (even though the pack already seemingly is killing wyatt) if I got mayor and lived I'd be fine even if wyatt died, but by having mayor I'd be too strong and there'd be no chance of the www keeping me alive

16:39

unfortunately there'd be no reason for luffy not to kill wyatt even if pack already kills him

16:39

oh well I think this is the best possible move

16:40

hm or maybe not

16:40

luffy could still lynch me with help of town

16:40

even if I was mayor

16:40

though was there any scenario where mayor helps me

16:40

oh if he kills wyatt

16:41

hm then with this plan me having mayor wouldnt be an issue

16:42

oh wait it does

16:42

the entire strategy relies on d4 needing to be a tie to slow down town kills

Ts

n4: wolf ff d4: tie n5: town nk d5: town lynch n6: www win

.

16:43

yes d4 would need to tie to delay town deaths enough to give another www kill

16:45

the only mayor that would work fine would be wyatt

16:45

im suffering I dont want to have to think about this any longer

nice luffy wants to stop mayor

I think luffy knows the situation I'm setting up means he can't kill me

17:06

fuck

17:13

luffy might be deliberatly not switching votes to force a town kill

17:19

this was a bit transparent

17:19

but I have to

17:20

if luffy doesnt switch vote I'll kill him out of spite, since if he does so we lose either way

unfortunately there's a good chance he won't, but if he doesn't he'll ensure our loss unfortunately

17:36

I can probably tell luffy my plan for the N6 win if he doesn't change sometime soon

17:36

it makes sense for me to explain it if Wyatt doesn't vote

17:40

Here's the plan: Wyatt isn't voting so we'll have to do without him. No Mayor (and no lynch today), we'll kill wyatt tonight. Hopefully he's either wolf or nice. On Day 4 it will be us two against the 2 townies, we'll once again tie both polls, then we NK Meuh in Night 5, lynch Quantum on Day 5 and then we win If Wyatt snipes on Meuh, we'll kill him anyway, which will result in a townsfolk victory, but with Meuh as mayor we'd have lost already anyway, so I'd rather kill out of spite (edited)

17:43

I hope luffy falls for the trap, but I have a bad feeling

17:44

he has very clearly noticed at least parts of it. as wolf my suggestion would be the best move and he'd have no reason to dissent

luffy switched

19:16

he must know that if he deliberately switches back I'd 100% kill him

19:16

now lets see how it goes

19:16

assuming he doesn't switch

19:17

i hope he bought my plan and knows that with my plan he'd win as www

19:17

i dont think I was super convincing, but maybe its enough

its strange that wyatt is gone still at this time, but it definitely seemed like Luffy noticed my trap (though hopefully without realizing it was intentional) and was trying to avoid it

19:32

wyatt www cant win against town anyway only luffy could

19:33

in hindsight its very good there's no lynch

in case anyones wondering why we tied mayor, its because if im mayor www has no choice but to kill me (a) mayor is too strong, b) mayor unlocks reporter), like this there's a small chance that they won't

20:01

oh of course wyatt is online now

20:02

overwrite kill to luffy @Vera

This is an end night action, so you may change at any time. Please ping @Host if you do so.

20:04

Do you also want to reveal?

sure

20:05

I won't change, but if for some reason I do I'll ping

I always just ask

20:06

No reason not to ask, it's a reminder that it's end night

20:06

and to ping, everyone else needed a reminder to ping

wdym?

They didn't ping me in their targeting message and I usually look at my mentions to easily determine who targeted who

ah

20:08

well I spam this channel so I definitely need to ping lol

yeah

will we get inactive-d for not posting in public channels?

20:09

town didnt talk and we wouldve gained nothing from starting conversations when they're already doing what we want

I'll check how bad it is and determine after

wyatt has 4 and I have 10

20:10

i wouldve talked more but it always was a bad move

horrible, instant kick ban and suspended player role

like usually I'd have questioned that weird fed lynch

It's offseason so I probably won't do it

but we wanted it to happen so why question it

‍♂️

20:15

im excited for town to end up winning this pensivebread

pensivebread

20:16

even if my plan works to the point where luffy keeps me alive, nothing is stopping him from just attacking Wyatt again, and town will win

20:16

oh well

Your sc is like an example of what we intend a journal to be lmao

writing down yours thoughts is just useful I think, helps you see flaws in them and makes it easier to remember things

20:26

well I think I'm done with the game, I've done all I could, now I just have to see if www will kill or not. Luffy should believe he can win exactly only if he doesn't kill me (With Wyatt and me both dead he would obviously be the last remaining scum), however if he choses to kill wyatt we'll still lose.

monologuing in scs >>>

its also good because it justifies weird actions

20:28

like the mayor tie thing was very weird, but from what I can tell with a mayor in play it wouldve been unwinnable (even if its me) (edited)

20:28

its still most likely a loss but I believe this way is the best chance

#hi they are both confirmed

20:54

LMAO

20:55

I wonder what quantum thinks about the election

20:55

the result is very strange

just had an realization, we could attempt to frame quantum

23:28

idk if its possible or how but it could be a thing

The kills: N1: Sharl (Wolf) D1: Turtle (Lynch) N2: Jayanna (WWW), Arch (WW) & Leila (Assassin) D2: Fed & Mat (Lynch, Angel) N3: Dennis (Wolf) & harp (Assassin) Turtle + Leila + Jayanna (N2WWW) + harp => 4 This means if Luffy and I or Wyatt die tonight, we'd have all 5 wolves accounted for. This means one suspected wolf must've been wrong. It can't have been harp, she claimed Angel after all and Angel was confirmed. It can't be the N2WWW kill, as it must have been a wolf. This means either turtle or leila must've been the wrong kill. However since they supported each other they both must have been town. We're now down to 3 wolves (N2WWW, harp, Wyatt/me or Luffy) however this also isn't possible since there can only be one wolf left. Hence both Wyatt/me and Luffy must've been wolves. However the conclusion is that the BB is still alive, since leila/turtle were right after all and luffy was a wolf. Hence Quantum should be lynched.

optimally id have told wyatt at like 12:59, but I'll be at work pensivebread

pensivebread

23:58

okay now I think ive done all I can

23:58

I think

00:04

so we have 3 outcomes: 1) Meuh, Quant & me 2) Meuh, Quant & Wyatt 3) Meuh, Quant, Wyatt & me let's pray for 3), though I guess 1) is preferable over 2) (quant's cc suggested next lynch target is wyatt)

00:04

This is so horrible, I've spent way too much time thinking if there's a way we can win

00:05

either town or www need to mess up unfortunately

Holy shit

13:17

It worked

13:17

Or luffy wasnt www

I am in fact not wolf

13:25

Just alpha wolf

If Wyatt turns out to be www this was a huge misplay

13:37

But it seems very unlikely

With me as their Lynch target I can't ensure that Wyatt isn't www pensive

pensive

13:52

If he is he can just Lynch me

13:56

Might as well end this

13:56

The outcome is given

13:56

If Wyatt is www he wins

13:57

Otherwise wolves ein

13:57

Win

13:57

Don't think I can convince them to Lynch him

13:58

My previously planned convincing strat only worked (barely) if Wyatt died

13:59

So if you have time, end our suffering

13:59

I couldnt nk Wyatt either

13:59

Then town would Lynch me

I have now sent exactly 40 public messages, epic moment

18:30

my reasoning in #town_square made sense for me the moment I wrote it

18:30

but its completely stupid and dumb

18:31

why would a wolf ever block a town lynch from happening lmao

18:34

I just came up with a worse reasoning

18:36

cant wait for them to read #town_square and think I'm absolutely stupid

18:36

which to be fair I probably am

I honestly feel kinda bad for luffy (if hes www)

19:01

He did SO well

19:03

quantum's trust in luffy is really strong

WAHAHAHHAHHA

Image attachment

19:03

i love that

that wyatt is not www

19:05

luffy confirming him silently is in his favor

19:07

if quant lynches himself I have to kill wyatt

19:09

this is a snipable position

19:09

not good

19:10

ugh the quant lynch option I liked

19:11

im reverting to quant

19:11

my first thought was they can snipe

19:11

but I can too

dont forget to notify if you want to snipe

oh?

19:12

I mean Im just gonna switch a few minutes beforehand

just so i can be more punctual with the polls

worst he can do if he sees it is tie it

19:13

i have my alarm set for 19:52

19:13

cause fsr I had an alarm already for that time

huh

I guess consider this my snipe notification?

a perfectly normal time to have an alarm

probably from another snipe tbh

lmao

19:14

we havent had phase changes at 8 in ages tho (edited)

hm maybe I meant to set it to 19:50 or something for something and it was just slightly off

19:14

who knows

‍♂️

19:14

well actually yesterday was also 20:00

19:14

maybe I created it then and already forgot

19:15

I can't believe my stupid ramblings in #town_square might actually end up giving me an advantage lmao

19:15

if I manage to kill quant via snipe can we please ff the rest of the game

19:16

playing ww is a constant state of anxiety

This

1

19:17

my plan would be: snipe on quant and kill him, kill wyatt via NK (I outvote him), tie Meuh, NK Meuh

19:17

If the lynch goes through I dont think this could be stopped even if wyatt is WWW

19:18

town wouldve never cooperated with me (assuming hes not preparing to snipe) if luffy was still alive, so it was definitely the right decision to eliminate him first

19:21

ugh I have so much anxiety that I'll miss the vote and that he'll snipe

19:21

realistically he wont

19:21

but I cant help it

19:21

I have overthought this way too much

gotta love ww anxiety

19:23

epsn

its still fun though

i get it tho

19:24

especially endgame can be horrible

19:24

but its still fun

ive just had the thought "what if the assassin has shots left" which makes no fucking sense but im double checking

19:32

assume everything I cant check myself is false N1: sharl (wolf) D1: turtle (lynch) N2: arch (wolf), leila, jayanna D2: fed (lynch), mat (angel) N3: Dennis (wolf), harp D3: n/a N4: luffy (wolf/aw) harp can't have been anything but assassin (no www kill) leila and jayanna need to have been www and assassin (no other kills) hence assassin has used 2 bullets and has none left

19:32

good

19:33

I knew it was like this

19:36

anything else I can overthink

19:37

what if I'm not actually alpha wolf

19:39

~~what if I have a heart attack and die right as the poll closes~~

Ts

what if I'm not actually alpha wolf

surprise! youre actually fp!

I mean honestly? If my snipe goes through I'd still win... so

19:42

sure

lmao

alarm time

beep beep

yea

beep beep

quant is also online

19:54

probably he wont snipe, but he might be watching

19:55

oh no he switched from phone to pc

19:55

now that is suspicious

19:55

he stopped his activity

19:55

oh its back

19:55

good

19:58

HE SNIPED

19:58

holy shit

20:05

well technically Wyatt and Meuh both would've died

20:05

are you simulating it?

20:05

@Quantum I am in fact not wolf

I am a werewolf and alpha wolf though

yea

20:05

well

20:05

same thing

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