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Players | Total: 14

14:22

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- @Harp (Wolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Luffy (White Werewolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 realsad

realsad

- @Jayanna (Bloody Butcher); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Leila (Huntsman); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 bonk

bonk

- @Meuh (Assassin); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

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- @Mat (Butcher); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 roald

roald

- @Arch (Citizen); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Dennis (Citizen); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Turtle (Butcher); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 1; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Sharl (Citizen); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0 (edited)

14:22

️ - @Ts (Alpha Wolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,2,0

- @Quantum (Butcher); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Wyatt (Wolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Fed (Angel); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 0; Votes: 1,1,-1 (edited)

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Dead

15:56

@Vera does storytime adapt to timezone?

its unix time

15:57

it always shows the time in whatever timezone youre in to be the same as the thing i set it to in my own timezone

Ahhh

15:57

That's cool

are the butchers just,,,, taking it?

22:41

no question???

22:41

please start questioning it

1st game I'm in for a while

11:54

And I get yeeted N1

11:54

sad

11:55

but they did it for a reason, its not completely a random

Vera

but they did it for a reason, its not completely a random

What's the reason? Too much to backread (edited)

They chose someone from a pool of town+ angel without butchers

luffy >>>

why are butchers being stupid

18:19

theyve got 2 turtle claims, kill someone else

18:19

its no good to kill turtle in this case

18:21

why are people immediately claiming to all butchers

18:21

like i get the fakeclaim but theres no reason for assassin to out in this

Jay

luffy >>>

and this yeah, none of the wolves suspect him

18:25

and butchers trust him as huntsman

18:26

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@Jay are you enjoying the butcher game?

yes !

this is honestly great but goddamn those 3 wolves

19:16

i somehow can never root for town or wolves tho i hope luffy wins

turtle is getting some good points in his defence

19:42

sadly enough jayanna and luffy had the other butchers too convinced (edited)

Luffy is Wolf right?

21:03

Lol now I get to say "I told you so" when the game ends and everyone is irritable that they lost

luffy is www

21:06

and the wolves trust him it seems

Good, WWW win.

21:11

The Wolves can burn.

im rooting for luffy too

Wow, Jay taunting me.

21:13

Leila is the only real one.

21:14

Checking the Mayor like I suggested.

21:14

I know who I'm voting for best town.

Dennis is being such a mood right now.

My favorite cc is #myownspace.

21:56

Lmao #hello.

21:57

#thign it's always the "check your counter-claim"

21:57

Where, what and how do they expect to get another answer than pack? Anything else would be throwing.

yeah

Not even the first time it's happened

im not sure what the other butchers were thinking honestly, sticking to such a quick claim and trusting it completely

It's Luffy.

21:58

Charisma will take you places.

21:59

And meta, maybe.

not like my werewolves strats are all good

21:59

but still

21:59

theres like 0 reason to trust a huntsman claim this quickly in this game

I don't think it's a sin that they trust Luffy, I just think it's bad not to have a back-up plan and to be so set in your way.

i get it from quantum, its their first game, but mat should know better by now than to trust the first claim

22:00

and then they also agree that the town pr should claim to butchers

22:00

they retracted that statement but it was too late by then

Eh, well, not my responsibility. I'm just waiting until Jay is killed and I can bully her for trusting Luffy too much too. Not only Town, Wolves too.

ahahahah

22:01

yeah

22:02

ts was a little too quick to trust luffy

22:02

he said it himself, it wasnt neccesary to add him to jayanna and his cc

Yeah.

Turtle

Charisma will take you places.

honestly yeah

23:36

ive fooled a lot of people for no good reason due to that

my ww strategy is going absolutely insane

gg

05:10

town gonna die

I mean, there's not much to say. They've subscribed to a world and don't consider outside of it. You will never be 100%. How are they really that confident that I was Wolf to scum-lock Leila?

08:07

Ha @Jayanna that's what you get for trusting Luffy.

08:07

You really thought Harp.

08:09

@Jayanna get in here you scummer.

08:09

So we have 1 wolf left

08:09

Uh huh.

Also RIP @Leila, you were the only real one

wha

08:39

what was leila doing

hi :(

Oh

10:46

Wow luffy

hi

Literally blocked until your birthday

10:47

Hi snivy

10:47

I fell asleep like 5 mins before phase change, I'm crying

im crying

10:48

for you

10:48

so who won

10:48

/winning

Today we all learned a valuable lesson not to trust anyone who isn't 100% confirmed

11:00

I didnt expect to die tho

11:02

My favourite? https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209432334536764/969676339009450004

11:02

Binfo

️info

️info

#imtoolazytothinkofaname

13:14

Some of these CCs are great.

im still upset that the huntsman didnt clarify

14:49

but oh well

Didn't clarify what?

17:49

But we are doing good

Are we doing good @Jayanna?

Who is we

We is us.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785931092334346240/969991043447681054/Postcard_14.8x10.5_m.jpeg?width=781&height=555

17:59

Your tombstone @Turtle

Turtle

We is us.

We are doing great

Jayanna

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785931092334346240/969991043447681054/Postcard_14.8x10.5_m.jpeg?width=781&height=555

I feel honored and disgusted at the same time.

i made it with great respect

And yet you filled it with lies and slander.

https://tenor.com/view/pog-frog-frog-pog-frog-dance-gif-20735320 (edited)

21:07

Aww

gg fed

Knew ts and luffy were wolves lmao

yep

21:11

ok

21:11

rip oaml

21:11

cries salty salty tears

21:11

congrats fed

Congrats Fed, deserved win.

it was really too obvious which is why we thought you couldn't be it

21:12

sorry turt

It's okay, lol.

luffy was first and you gotta trust someone

I probably would have trusted Luffy too.

well, to us at least

21:12

pee

21:12

lmao let's see quant panicking

21:14

sighhh we should have waited until the evening to give luffy meuhs info

21:15

Lmao check dennis? what luffy ahdjjsdnns

21:15

good play luffy very solid position as www

21:16

he shoulda played into when i said we could make an important role reporter* to duke the wolves (edited)

he's doing really good this game

21:16

fucked the butchers up badly

21:16

great play from him

yeah I'm gonna kill him now

pixel sob emoji

21:28

ts literally why would you let Dennis live

21:28

what reason is there

21:29

sure you can have him vote with you through luffy but what if he's on during phase change

well theres no lynch tomorrow

21:30

so the mayor vote is completely useless

21:31

i guess the reporter vote is still a thing then

Wolves can't snipe if Town lynches the Angel and cancel the lynch

lmao

Top three CCs: 1. #imtoolazytothinkofaname 2. #butch_hunt_ass 3. #myownspace

@Fed why didn't you just come forward

or at least not target me, you should be happy i had you lynched

I am

Here at some things that would need to be true for second route: -Jay wolf -Wolves decided to kill Arch? -WWW killed Jay -Luffy wolf

Meuh has the solve. (edited)

22:43

Wow, pretty smart of him. Inpressive.

meuh gaming

wait

01:28

don't wolves get a mayor tomorrow

01:28

and

01:28

town lose?

seems kinda unlikely that they win

Unless Luffy and Ts turn on eachother

im rooting for luffy

05:50

go loofy

gamers

@Vera about Wyatt's second question, all I know is before we've had a pyro kill the last two wolves and Wolfpack kill the pyro and both still went through

13:25

Not sure if that applies though

when was it

13:29

at some point very early on we had huntress target www and www target huntress so they stopped the game there

I believe there was 100% one in minis

13:31

And I think it was steins birthday one

minis is to be disregarded

13:32

cuz its mini

13:33

which one was steins bday one

car go croom

good cat

I hope Ts gets it to a WWW loss.

GO LUFFY

16:14

GO GO GO

16:14

FELLOW XIAO MAINS MUST WIN

go luffy bc screw wolves

Mat

good cat

it was a very good cat

16:49

gibagul

Mat

good cat

ikr

froggychair

Vera

which one was steins bday one

Sorry I was messaging in my break it was s5g8

Yup I understand the question now

17:44

It went through in s5g8 because there was still a faction left (town)

17:45

I'm gonna have to check win situations again to get a clear answer tho

17:46

Yeah if they're the last ones remaining it would turns into a tie, both factions would win

17:47

If theyre not the last ones remaining (theres town left in this case) they would both die

So only Alpha and www win in that scenario

this doesnt make much sense to me tho

17:48

actually wait

I think in the case of a tie only the alive members of a faction win

yeah it kinda makes sense

17:48

yup

17:48

in a tie the living members win

17:49

we've only had a tie once before iirc

3 times

17:49

Os6c

whens the other time

17:49

theres s3g2

Errr

17:50

S7g1

17:50

I think

17:50

Hell town tie

ah

17:50

i only remember s3g2 because it was an iconic game to me

Yeah

17:50

I think you hosted the other two

even tho i hosted both other games

17:51

yeah

Os6c I remember because I orchestrated the tie

oh it was tied because nobody could kill?

Yep

as was the other one

17:53

because town knew devil and devil had 0 souls it seems

17:53

s3g2 was apparently the only standoff tie

17:53

huntress vs www

Tie occurs only when no one can kill or everyone can kill eachother

yup

17:57

tho its only when they realise it

17:57

cuz in s3g2 marten couldve targeted LoG instead of arch and arch and i wouldve been solo + ua winners (edited)

Yeah

17:59

I thought of a scenario that would tie that isn't those two tho

17:59

Guardian hooker Vs wolf

old guardian?

17:59

or did we renew it again

17:59

i never know

Guardian | Elected Basics The Guardian protects the town. When there are 15 or fewer players, the Guardian may choose one player. This player cannot be killed by attacks during the current night. When there are more than 15 they may choose up to two. Details The Guardian chooses their protected player(s) during the night, and they will be protected from attacks during the current night. They may not protect the same player two days in a row, but may protect themself and/or alternate between two or more players. Any attack against a player protected by the Guardian fails, however a protected player may still die through other means. The Guardian is elected on the first full day with a living Mayor, a living Reporter and no living Guardian. Protecing players from attacks is an immediate effect.

The new one protects someone at night

18:00

Every other night

ah

18:00

old guardian protected someone every night

18:00

old old guardian

So it'd be No protect hide behind wolf > no hide protect self

previous guardian only had a lynch protect

Immunity to everything

18:00

Yeah

18:01

I think the consensus was by the time you get guardian you have majority anyway

18:01

And it didn't help town only evil

tho thats not specifically the case

18:02

ive gotten guardian once because someone let me have it to stop people from having the elected trinity

It also helped against a pyro ignite

18:02

1 v 1 pyro and guardian

I think quantum played well considering he was forced into town lead on his first game

True, he's just too trusting rn, but that'll be broken soon

01:10

Poor quant

01:10

Living a lie

01:10

Bamboozled by the people u trust most

01:11

Make him solo killer next game so he can get revenge

01:12

Luffy being www really pains me, so, at least we've all experienced a bit of betrayal this game

yeah you guys were quick to think luffy wasnt www

I guess so, didn't think www would want to put them selves in a 1 v 1 spot like that by claiming important town role

i consistently forgot luffy was a wolf or even in the game lmao

Ts???

love this

I think pack have won, i have only been following the game for the last day, as long as wyatt and ts tie the polls today

yeah but i cant say it yet

yep just because ts does not trust wyatt

theyre still trying and ts isnt conpletely sure wyatt isnt www

13:20

so im gonna have to pull through until either town alone or ts and wyatt alone are left

so today will have no real impact, unless town can convince ts wyatt is the www, and at night wyatt will vote with ts, which would show he is not www, so ye you need 2 full phases

yup

13:21

this is fun

damn

13:46

rip @Luffy

13:46

was rooting for u cuz wolves suck

riveting polls

fr

LOL

time to blame the game on https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209413577637888/969211754120880128https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/969209413577637888/969211754120880128

Wait luffy died??????

16:52

Oh nooo

16:52

U were so close

16:52

But wow

16:52

Good faker

Oh well i tried

you did incredible tbh

17:45

if ts wouldnt have overridden the poll you might have had a chance to win

If i got mayor i could have killed him

17:51

But i messed up there

who will dieee

so wolf win?

YAY

20:04

I won

20:04

delayed reaction?

20:05

my brother in christ you won days ago

ggs

Harp

delayed reaction?

we were debating the fact that TS is not 100% sure on wyatt

o

how did luffy die???

as if some how town had convinced him that wyatt was WWW last phase, it could have changed the game outcome, so we have to let the phase play out

Luffy

If i got mayor i could have killed him

I deliberately blocked mayor

Quantum

how did luffy die???

ts forced the pack kill to them

ah i see

kruthers

as if some how town had convinced him that wyatt was WWW last phase, it could have changed the game outcome, so we have to let the phase play out

now I was gonna kill wyatt either way

so my second snceario was true

the game would've gone wyatt via NK, tie on lynch, meuh via NK

20:06

I only would've not killed wyatt if I wouldn't have been able to

ggs luffy

20:06

leila messed up

Ts

I deliberately blocked mayor

no i mean, i couldve convinced town to do it but i didnt try

hard

Luffy

no i mean, i couldve convinced town to do it but i didnt try

ah yeah if the 2 towns and and you had voted it wouldve worked

im sorry quantum

its fine

Luffy you were amazing

i forgot about the double alpha wolf kill there for a bit

me and meuh saw it coming

20:07

if you raed

20:07

me and meuh chat

20:07

we saw it coming 2 days ago

Luffy you lived like 5 times longer then a normal WWW

why the arch kill tho

@Luffy why did you not kill?

lol i knew you were onto me but i knew u had no choice but to keep following the path u chose

you realized you couldnt win if you killed me, right?

Ts

you realized you couldnt win if you killed me, right?

yes. unless i was mayor

good

20:08

my trap worked

gg

Quantum

leila messed up

Let's not put all the blame on Leila here. You chose to believe Luffy long before Leila even reached out to me.

I had to ensure that neither your or wyatt could win without me

idk

20:08

leila was weird

What should Leila have done differently?

yall got big Ls (edited)

check who i would have wanted her to check tbh

Night 1?

yea

20:09

isntead of jay

20:09

that keeps her alive

She checked me.

no

20:09

night 2

20:09

she checked jay

20:09

when i wanted her to check meuh i think

She checked a Wolf.

tbh that is pretty sus

i know

20:09

she went

of her

are you sure?

20:09

i said yea

20:09

and she said

20:09

im checking jay

20:10

and 1 second later

20:10

said shes pack

I told her to check the Mayor regardless of what you said

yikes

yikes

20:10

turtle

20:10

you were dying

bad choice turtle

Not really.

no

20:10

i woulve have had leila check

20:10

luffy next night

20:10

luffy would have dared to ww kill leila

20:10

that means ww is in butcher chat

I'll be honest - the Butchers played worse than Leila. And that's okay. It was your first game, you did well for it to be honest.

?

20:11

wdym

20:11

you messed up

20:11

idk why you would come out

20:11

as being checked by huntsman

they did pretty good other than the one mistake

I was checked by Huntsman?

20:11

Lol.

yea

if i was town theyd have definitely won

idk

20:12

leila was being too sus

20:12

luffy

20:12

would you have killed leila

20:12

if we didnt shoot her

yes we were going to

no

ok

no?

?

20:12

no or yes

we couldnt have

if you did kill

20:12

we know ww is in out char

you cant kill the huntsman cc

but id have made it look like jay was the kill

our chat

You chose to believe Luffy without thinking about other possibilities. You had it all riding on one person.

We knew assassin and huntsman and couldnt kill them

no

20:12

leila was too sus

cause it would reveal we were wolves

turtle

20:13

if you didnt tell leila to check jay

ayooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

and had leila check who i wanted

I'm talking about before Leila.

we dont shoot meuh

20:13

shoot leila

20:13

and you guys kill leila

You chose Luffy when he reached out to you.

or leila stays alive

20:13

and i check luffy

20:13

YES

The game was decided N1.

BECAUSE LEILA went against me

20:13

for some reason

No.

?

20:13

the only reason we shot leila

20:13

was because she went against me

leila the werm

Luffy had a red check on Leila.

yea

You would have lynched her.

and she went against me

20:14

no

Yes.

i would have kept her alive for one more check

20:14

on luffy

Turtle

The game was decided N1.

was it though?

20:14

Luffy could've absolutely won

unless you guys kill leila

20:14

and we know wolf is in our chat

Well, not WWW-WW, but for Town.

ah

and that

Town had lost by N1.

you turtle were nto bb

yeah had ts died sooner or not realised luffy was scum of the scum (edited)

20:14

www wouldve won

idk

20:14

imo turtle telling leila to check jay

hey i was helping u kill werewolves too

turtle threw?

yea i know

20:14

yea

Jayanna

yeah had ts died sooner or not realised luffy was scum of the scum (edited)

we were much closer to losing than you realize

idk why you told leila to check jay

im guessing people didnt read #alpha_wolf

if she had follow me and check meuh

but if luffy had killed anyone we'd have lost

i tried to ts

and town would've won

but theres like 20000 words in there (edited)

so I had to create an overly convoluted scenario where luffy couldn't win with me dead

20:15

so he couldn't kill me

@Mat sorry mat

had he killed wyatt (who the poll was already killing) as a backup, we'd also have lost

my second secneario was true

If you have two Huntsmen and one of them is a Wolf both will show red checks? I don't get why Leila should have checked Luffy or vice versa.

no

20:16

i would have luffy check someone else

so town hadn't lost N1

Jayanna

turtle threw?

Please, I helped catch a Wolf.

meuh was going to be the check

20:16

no, u died

yea

for quite some time I was thinking town win was the likeliest

we check meuh first night

why sorry me

Ts

had he killed wyatt (who the poll was already killing) as a backup, we'd also have lost

true but thatd just be a spite kill you know? if u found me out u deserved to win

leila give correct check

before I figured out the full trap

Quantum

i would have luffy check someone else

Luffy had already checked Leila.

that we ca confirm

20:16

yea

20:16

you think i believed luffy fullly??

So both would habe given a red check, just on idfferent nights.

once i got the 2 huntsman problem

Luffy

true but thatd just be a spite kill you know? if u found me out u deserved to win

true I guess

i made seperate ccs

Quantum

you think i believed luffy fullly??

You did.

??

20:17

i made seperate ccs?

u guys gave out info way too soon

There was no reason to go after me if it was 50/50.

turtle

Because 50/50 is a bad chance.

i made seperate ccs

20:17

instanly

Ok?

when i got the double huntsman situation

turtle be less sus next time

trueeeeeeeeeee

actually

20:17

and telling leila

Luffy, you framed me.

to go against me

20:17

luffy

20:17

would you guys have killed leila

maybe just be better turtle

In reality this game was lost by meta.

after she said she was huntsman

If I hadnt know Jayanna was BB I would've thought it was turtle ngl

Lol.

turtle threw.

would you wolves have kill leila?

No.

well no

after i said shes huntsman?

I didn't throw.

Turtle

No.

no. we couldnt have

yea

you cant kill the sole cc of your fake claim

exactly

20:18

then i get leial to check luffy

it would've exposed luffy

leila

20:18

yea

20:18

exactly

and we couldn't kill meuh

Quantum

then i get leial to check luffy

And then?

i dont know why turtle told leila to check jay

20:18

then

20:18

we lynch one

20:18

and shoot other

that is why we killed arch as a random kill to make you think arch was the www kill

getting huntsman ccs to check each other is useless

so you'd not realize Jayanna the BB was the www kill

You kill both Huntsmen?

honestly we were forced to make bad kills

20:19

but they ended up being better

no i prob shoot luffy there

20:19

and have leila check someone else

No.

idk

20:19

you fucked up leila

luffy wouldve said meuh was town as well tho

yea i know

20:19

cause luffy knew

20:19

i would have taken that into consideration

Mistakes happen

but then how would that make luffy sus enough to shoot

jay

Sometimes you can recover from them, sometimes you can't

meuh trusted me

yes?

20:20

but i mean

meuh would have shot anyone i said

20:20

tbh

20:20

i shoot you actually

20:20

not luffy

20:20

then i keep the 2 huntsman

if both huntsmen gave u the same result, how would u have decided who to shoot

well

shoot me??????????????????????????????????

first i shoot you

20:20

yea

k

cause if leila said luffy is pack

20:20

which leila wouldnt know

20:20

leila

20:20

would think im giving her a rando check

20:20

and not the other huntsman

20:20

the fact is

20:21

that leila dont know whot he other huntsma nis

Vera

im not sure what the other butchers were thinking honestly, sticking to such a quick claim and trusting it completely

This is my thought pretty much.

leila would absolutely think luffy is other huntsman

why

its how game works

wdym

thats done way too often

?

she prob thought meuh mightve been other huntsman too

how would leila know who other "huntsman" is

Quantum, you would have trusted Luffy either way.

i would not have

20:21

turtle

20:21

i kept infor from luffy

Quantum

how would leila know who other "huntsman" is

Becuase you told her to check him.

you know that right?

Yes, a bit.

which couldve been why leila didnt bother checking meuh

idk

Although Luffy knew all roles.

leila randomly checking jay

20:22

was sus

just remember that leila had no reason to trust your role nor your judgment

20:22

so

i know

20:23

turtle

20:23

you know i kept info from luffy right?

yeah turtle threw, i agree (edited)

i never fully trusted him

Quantum

i kept infor from luffy

yeah but u told everything to jay so its the same thing as telling me lol

What's the point of this discussion?

there isnt

Nobody can play perfectly

Did you seriously think a Wolf would go out of the way to check someone else and then tell the "confirmed town" that they ignored them. Did you not think a Wolf would have told you what you wanted to hear.

we're just all going to end up at the same conclusion, that being that turtle threw

Ts

Nobody can play perfectly

It's me getting blamed for throwing.

true

gaming

Luffy was the person I was most confident wasn't WWW for most of the game

turtle did throw

It's not throwing to mess up

idk why you pull that day 1 tho turtle

20:24

if you didnt claim you got huntsman

The game was still close

i wouldve probably never suspected luffy until the end

20:24

like

I was being honest?

yea

20:24

well

i wouldve accidentally let him win

honestly gets you killed

i kept forgetting luffy was in the pack

I was pretty confident www was still alive. Wyatt was sus up to that point but he somehow did a full 180° during that phase

20:25

Luffy was the wolf mvp

20:25

for the first half of the game

idk what wyatt is doing

I dont know how you forgot him

i wouldve gone after wyatt first

idk wyatt

Ts

It's not throwing to mess up

I mean, I did mess up a bit? But I was framed beginning of N1 and had no info as to why I was Wolf other than "Huntsman checked you Evil".

didnt comm at all

20:25

??

20:25

all we got was citi claim

aw turtle u defended yourself fine

20:25

not much you couldve done

I know.

i mean

except stay up during night phase to tell us when u got checked

you could have told leila not to check jay

thats where u threw

Jayanna

i wouldve gone after wyatt first

It was the logical choice. However I wanted to plan for killing both and there was no way to kill luffy if I had killed wyatt first as he had town's trust. Also at that point I was like 60-70% sure it was luffy

Jayanna

except stay up during night phase to tell us when u got checked

Leila reached out to me after the night phase ended.

Sorry turtle im just too good of a huntsman

oh

Turtle

I mean, I did mess up a bit? But I was framed beginning of N1 and had no info as to why I was Wolf other than "Huntsman checked you Evil".

I havent backread but imo it was just luffy being good, not you being bad

Yeah.

yeah

ggs luffy

luffy spoke first as well

So I don't get why I'm being told that I threw.

yea

Honestly I wish luffy had won this one

pls turtle, its just me saying that

I really liked how he played

i am saying you threw cause you told leila to check jay

20:27

it made her sus

20:27

really sus

its a bold play

No, it's Quantum saying that.

20:27

And he means it.

and that fact that jay was also wolf

wow

made it extremly sus

20:27

that

He means it after he Town led into a loss.

we kill "BB"

Quantum

i am saying you threw cause you told leila to check jay

you werent trusted

and persn defend BB

20:27

finds the BB

20:27

?

quantum you couldve very well been bb as well

You weren't confirmed, especially from Leila's POV.

i know

20:27

but better

she had no reason to trust u over turtle

You know why we didnt fake a Huntsman checking a Butcher as not-pack? Because it would tie the Huntsman too close to the Butcher

turtle was dead

20:27

he cant doa nymore

she knows turtle is good

it would've been a risky move

but

20:28

turtle is also dead

You didn't read that luffy was risking less

shes going to value turtles decisions more than yours

If Leila/Turtle had been a wolf move they'd have risked two wolves

20:28

Whereas Luffy wasn't clearly tied to any one of the butchers

yes

Yeah, I didn't see me and Leila outing.

leila coming into defend a wolf turtle wouldve been a teribble play

exactly

yea we know

20:28

but if leila

20:29

didnt go for jay

20:29

she wouldnt have been shot

why would she have not gone for jay?

no

Jay turned out to be the BB after all

the fact is that

20:29

she went for jay

20:29

and found the bb

20:29

its the fact she found bb

20:29

rigth after we killed turtle

20:29

who she was defending

I don't see how this is sus

i dont either tbh

Like, the consensus was "Turtle for lynch for lying" and then after that Leila claims to Quantum... Like, why would a Wolf do that, the plan is already screwed. Then she goes against "town leader" Quantum openly, doesn't lie about it. Meanwhile Luffy is whispering what you want to hear.

look at it from leilas point of view

Maybe the communication wasn't good? But I dont see a blatant misplay

And then you shoot Leila and say I'm throwing.

idk, i would prefer leila just checking meuh

20:30

to confirm tbh

yeah but what you prefer doesn't matter to leila's pov

20:30

since you could be BB

and thats why we shot her

sad

exactly

ded werm

shooting her was setup by the wolves

well

20:30

turtle partially helped

the entire thing was setup by the wolves

with checking jay

Wolves played well, Town played bad.

i dont shoot there

nowlookatthis

nowlookatthis

nowlookatthis

nowlookatthis

nowlookatthis

if leila checks meuh

true harp

now look at this:

honestly this is what I hate about this server

true

these stupid discussions after the game

20:31

What are you trying to proof?

nothing

Lol, sorry, I get tilted when accused of throwing.

Turtle didn't gamethrow. Fact.

it burns u out quantum

im sorry but glad youve experienced it

i know turtle didnt gamethrow

Miscommunication and misplays happen

also why did wyatt not repsond to anythging?

They have to happen

Quantum

also why did wyatt not repsond to anythging?

cause he was wolf?

oh yea

wyatts just an afk guy

20:32

too

he is?

20:32

i didnt see role list yet

I mean he talked in his cc

yeah for the most part

yeah he's wolf

yea

I just wasn't 100% sure he wasnt www

hes in a bad time zone

i was right then, the second route did happen

wow go look at list

20:32

pls

well

20:32

i knoew who everyone is

20:32

my second route was correct

✅ Attempting to promote you, Ts!

20:33

Players | Total: 14

20:33

‍❤️‍

‍

- @Harp (Wolf); Alive:

; CCs: 2; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Luffy (White Werewolf); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0 realsad

realsad

- @Jayanna (Bloody Butcher); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Leila (Huntsman); Alive:

; CCs: 4; Votes: 1,1,0 bonk

bonk

- @Meuh (Assassin); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 5; Votes: 1,1,0

‍

- @Mat (Butcher); Alive:

; CCs: 2; Votes: 1,1,0 roald

roald

- @Arch (Citizen); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Dennis (Citizen); Alive:

; CCs: 2; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Turtle (Butcher); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Sharl (Citizen); Alive:

; CCs: 1; Votes: 1,1,0 (edited)

if only u guys had gotten reporter

️ - @Ts (Alpha Wolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 2; Votes: 1,2,0

- @Quantum (Butcher); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Wyatt (Wolf); Alive: yes

yes

; CCs: 5; Votes: 1,1,0

- @Fed (Angel); Alive:

; CCs: 3; Votes: 1,1,-1 (edited)

20:33

✅ Attempting to promote you, Jayanna!

one day itll work

All in all town still had a chance to win by the start of D3

20:33

because we had a www

20:34

I spent 4 hours overthinking a way to ensure the game would go like this

luffy really rolled and smoked

he killed me

20:34

on the day 3 i also think i was thinking of the fact

20:34

that leila was huntsman

20:34

and i think i got all you guys correct?

20:35

just not fed

20:35

and wyatt

I didn't play well this game lmao

20:35

except against www

fed really fucked us over kinda

I wasn't very good at pretending to be town this game

20:35

luckily it worked out for me anyway

GGs

honestly wyatt was probably the same

20:35

luffy and jayanna were the more convincing ones

@Mat we played well

20:36

just unlucky

20:36

the second route happened

considering what we thought we knew maybe

well

20:36

i did see the second route

20:36

just couldnt do anything about it

20:37

i did say we lose if that it happens

if the game had continued without a FF I would've been the only person alive

20:37

I think that's a sign that all teams did well if everyone but 1 person dies

Ts

I didn't play well this game lmao

You did.

the last 2 days? sure

20:37

the first 2 days? absolutely not

luffy

Well, they got you the win in the end.

you know that if you came out to me

20:38

i would have helped you won

Turtle

Well, they got you the win in the end.

yeah luffy carried first half of the game

cause i know the second route was unwinnable for town

which is why it's a shame he didn't win

yea

20:38

tbh i think if luffy did come out to me

20:38

i help him

luffy won in my heart

if luffy came out after meuh's second shot

20:39

to me

20:39

i think he wins maybe

the situation I had set up was a win for him

20:39

technically (edited)

20:39

I just overwrote the kill to kill him

20:39

If the wolfpack kill had gone through as he thought he would've won

who did he want to kill?

the wolfpack kill was on wyatt. I ensured there was no mayor. Luffy could've killed but if he had killed me it would've been you, meuh and luffy (at that point you realize he is a liar and lynch him) so he couldn't have killed me. If he kept me alive he would've eventually won (edited)

t

luffy did went nap when the mayor vote happened

20:41

i think he can get mayor

20:41

but it shouldnt have mattered

if he had convinced town to make him mayor he'd have ensured a wolf loss

20:42

and wolves would've been kingmakers

well

20:42

if he had lived one day as mayor

The only path to a wolf victory was a tie

he gets lynched

no, it wouldve been 3 people left

20:42

wolves and he both get a kill

20:42

so the wolf kill could've been him (town wins) or town (www wins)

20:43

the result would've either been a single wolf, www mayor against 1 town or a single wolf against 2 town (town win)

ah well, my brain had enough overtime for some time

I pretty much went through all possible scenarios of elections and kill combinations

i went through the wolf combinations

20:44

if leila was telling truth

I overthought it to an unhealth degree

and who www would have killed

Quantum

if luffy came out after meuh's second shot

I was hoping to win without blowing my cover to anyone

yea

20:44

luffy i would've helped you if you came out t ome after meuh second shot

20:44

cause i knew the second route in my mind

20:44

and there was no chance for us to win

luffy your one screw up was stopping my reporter plan

no

20:44

gettign reporter

20:45

i confirm leila

no wolves couldve gotten it

I mean i couldnt allow reporter

we would ahve made it dennis

I was proposing a plan to get it as wolf

No matter what

I would've seen www is alive and killed wyatt

20:45

luffy would've won (edited)

who would have got me

20:45

me mat and meuh

20:45

stops it

20:45

and dennis

yeah town couldve blocked it

Im glad you had fun though Quantum

it doesn't matter the plan didnt need to work

shut up luffy

LOL

i didnt have fun

✅ Attempting to promote you, Turtle!

also

20:46

why did leila reach out to me

20:46

and not mat

I had forgotten how much anxiety this game is (edited)

mat called for lynch on turtle

She trusted you the most I guess.

20:47

I think.

not enough

20:47

to trust my calls

No.

nope

20:47

ez game tho, i carried

ok jay

20:47

what did you do

20:47

you got turtle lynched

20:47

and died

jay's death was good

true

set everyone up for success

for the first half jay and luffy were the best wolves

20:47

I mean by far luffy

Jay's death is always good. (edited)

but jay was #2

wow

jay dyinh

20:48

made me doubt leila for a second

She should do it more often. (edited)

wyatt, harp and me didn't do much of anything at the start. I suggested some plans but luffy had better ones

I can't spell.

typical

20:48

are u playing next game quant

maybe

itll prob be a while

idk

20:48

if i get like a boring role

20:48

it wont be fun

20:48

game too long

so youll have time to recoup

and forget how toxic everyone is

I'm planning to host a magical game next

game is too long for me if i get a boring role

20:49

ie if i get citizen, its like im nto even playing for 5 days

Im planning to not put citizen

Ts

I'm planning to host a magical game next

(unless someone else really wants to host first)

if i get citizen im gonna claim invest

and die?

no

20:50

ill form my own trusted chat

ok jay

take reporter

how do you plan on not dying

appoint a mayor

on an invest claim

ts will put in a witch

20:50

or

20:50

give citizens hooker powers

Ts

(unless someone else really wants to host first)

I can co-host? Unless you wanna do alone.

turtle, play

if you want you can co-host

he doesnt want to, ts

but I want to do a role list

how do i kill him if hes not in game

wow jay

I dont have to decide it fully alone

you did kill him this time

but I have some plans

and i feel good

Jayanna

turtle, play

Not after this game.

tbf if i knew more www mecanics

wow

when game begun

Maybe after summer Jay.

I think you did well for your first(?) game

eh

20:52

i realize the second route too late

yeah u put a lot of effort in, already pretty good performance

Quantum

i realize the second route too late

and that was the point

Yeah, very good for a first game.

if it was before meuh had shot harp

poor harp

One side always has to lose

@Harp teammates arc??

20:52

woah

20:52

i think thats why we won

20:53

me and harp were finally on the same team

Feds the real winner

actually

20:53

our lynch choices

20:53

were fed, Ts, and wyatt

Fed was good.

and we picked thwe worst one

20:54

why'd we pick fed?

why did Meuh softclaim Assassin?

Because he was afk

Ts

but I have some plans

Sounds good to me.

meuh didnt

20:54

meuh claimed ass

they did

yea

Afk implying www (edited)

fed was afk

they softclaimed Angel D0

idk

20:54

meuh do chaotic meuh things

so I immediately read them as non-Citizen, non-Angel

right???

I would've killed them N1 but I was asleep

20:54

and fsr we killed sharl instead

why the sharl kill

But it was good we kept meuh alive

just rando?

i tried to get quantum to believe that so it wouldnt look too sus if meuh died at night

He helped us

pls jay

Quantum

just rando?

I think there was some weak reasoning

20:55

but mostly random

i would have been sus

20:55

if our pew pew lady died

Luffy

He helped us

you are right

right after claiming pew pew to us

accidental good move

Jayanna

@Harp teammates arc??

yasssssss

yeah ik quant

yeah we won because of us

:brofistkiss:

@Harp btw I'm sorry I wanted to give you angel claim so you'd get killed

20:56

It worked, but you werent www

20:56

so sorry

harp i trusted u completely, ts made me believe u were www

20:56

ts bad man

yeah the first 2 days were rough

20:57

also like a few minutes after adding luffy to trusted cc I realized it was a dumb move

20:57

but I was like "it will be fine hes not www"

we basically did what quant did (edited)

Jay I actually trusted you this game.

we're all even

yeah like I said everyone screwed up

I put so much energy into defending myself in our CC.

thanks turtle, felt weird, dont do it again

we barely recovered from that screw up

And then you were Wolf.

:lulcute:

It's only because the other Butchers alienated me, so I felt like you weren't BB.

Ts

@Harp btw I'm sorry I wanted to give you angel claim so you'd get killed

thanks

Never CCing you again Jay.

20:58

Never.

turtle, i dont take anything said on day 0 with any thread of trust btw

ok ill cc u first then

i take everyone on day 0 as memeing

20:59

unti later on when i look back

d0 has actions

ye i know

not in this game, but in others

i ony look back on d0 later on

thats a good strategy for mafia

Yeah, don't worry, I wasn't really that annoyed at the lynch.

nice preparations quant

Jayanna

harp i trusted u completely, ts made me believe u were www

i trusted u 100% but that's rlly not saying much

lmao pls

thanks jay

Jayanna

ok ill cc u first then

No, I'll leave. Bye.

wow

Leave the CC.

ill lock the cc

Bad gravestone.

ts, implement a cc lock function pls

No respect for the deceased.

$cc archive

I can't believe I had to design my own tombstone.

wow, youre the only deceased with a gravestone and u claim no respect??

Two, technically.

Gg!

wowowow

But it was mean.

i also

21:01

did not know hwo to make cc

Fun game

for like first 3 days

GG Meuh.

ungrateful dead ppl

21:01

hi meuh

ggs meuh

21:01

you did well

Quantum

did not know hwo to make cc

It’s in #information so you should’ve known

i messed up

Smh smh

i did

oh btw want to know something fun? lynching a butcher is less likely to lynch a wolf (25%) then lynching a random person (28%, 36% with www) and if you lynch a non-butcher the chance goes up to (30%, 40% with www)

i did it

21:01

but it wouldnt add another play

21:01

player

It’s okay all good

i had to add the mmanually

pinned

i'll go down in infamy meuh

21:01

luffy smoked us

quant whens ur exam btw

tmmrw

21:02

11-2

oh

and 306

21:02

3-6

21:02

prob wont take all the time tho

oh 2 exams

Ts

oh btw want to know something fun? lynching a butcher is less likely to lynch a wolf (25%) then lynching a random person (28%, 36% with www) and if you lynch a non-butcher the chance goes up to (30%, 40% with www)

I mean, in my case it was 50/50, though.

21:02

So I did get the lynch.

Jay are u mad for killing u

good www kill on jay tho

She deserved it.

Turtle

I mean, in my case it was 50/50, though.

yep

I had no choice

21:03

If only she wasnt mayor

Ts

oh btw want to know something fun? lynching a butcher is less likely to lynch a wolf (25%) then lynching a random person (28%, 36% with www) and if you lynch a non-butcher the chance goes up to (30%, 40% with www)

Yeah I think I brought this up a few times, focusing on butchers is generally not that useful

I would've brought it up if I was town

21:03

but I wanted turtle to die

:<

so I didnt bother saying anything

21:03

and turtle is right it was 50/50

21:03

I missed that

I was kinda just trusting the butchers to have good judgment on the situation with the information they had that I didn’t

21:04

Should’ve scrutinized it more on my end

21:04

Still was a fun game so a loss doesn’t matter

true

21:07

its ok

21:07

full trust in me

Luffy

Jay are u mad for killing u

kind of, just a little, but you did save me a lot of stress, and i wouldve died after someone got reporter so

Decieving u all isnt as fun as youd think

21:08

For me

luffy

21:08

you had fun

21:08

dont lie

i only felt some remorse for quant

21:08

but it was fun seeing turtle cry

WOW

21:09

some remorse?

no remorse. Butchers are the true villains. They kill and then make food out of it. At least we wolves just kill our victims and then let them be. (edited)

Yea jay invited you and u got betrayed by her right away

wow u did the same luffy, pls

I ddint invite him

u probably approved of the invite or something

TRUE

21:11

wtf jay

true, this was all part of my plan to betray quant

21:11

i rigged the roles

21:11

i gave vera a massage

oh no we need to suspend you for cheating?

21:12

shame

‍♀️

Ban Jay!

vera approved it, im blameless

uglysmile

pls

I cant suspend Vera

why not

admin

21:12

so it must be your fault

shes the suthority here who shouldve known better

21:12

wow

21:12

wwowowow

21:13

lets revolt

well you can always try to $^

Jayanna

shes the suthority here who shouldve known better

They

but it wont work

✅ Attempting to promote you, Jayanna!

oh right

Also thanks for hosting Vera!

they

Yea thank you vera

21:13

Fun game

we love vera

This was a poggers game

no evil hosts this time

21:14

so that was really cool

what does that mean

nothing

21:14

go to sleep ts

were hosts evil in previous game

why would it matter to u

curiosity (edited)

you wont reprimand your own

21:15

all hosts are evil

still can be curious

21:15

I havent payed attention to the server for some time

21:15

until this game

oh

21:15

theyre not actually evil

21:15

until they are

I havent seen any of s7

21:15

i think

i hadnt played in a long while, so maybe they took some ethics classes inbetween then

ah

21:16

yeah os6d was the last game I payed attention to

21:16

yeah we introduced mandatory ethics classes for gms

21:16

so that they know how not to act

thonk

Werewolves Bot B

✅ Attempting to promote you, Jayanna!

Wow.

jayanna promotion finally

Ts

yeah we introduced mandatory ethics classes for gms

We did?

yep

21:24

have you not been attending them?

Naughty turtle

Wow. No. I'm ethical.

you know that's a bannable offense right?

yea

Sad, time to get banned.

✅ Attempting to promote you, Luffy!

huh tbh I didnt remember you were a GM (edited)

lol

Luffy you honestly played so well.

he really did

If it wasn't for Ts you were winning.

and I almost didn't notice

22:03

I think that its reasonable to argue that WWW is underpowerd based on this game

22:03

on the other hand making it much more powerful isn't a good idea either

I really am shocked you trusted me Ts, because even in your position, I would have trusted Luffy over myself.

I would've killed you as well

22:04

Vera ff differently from what I would've actually done

22:04

I went through all of luffy's behaivor and noticed several things that were off

22:04

while you were asking for death just the right amount

22:05

you weren't asking for death so much that I felt like you wanted me to believe you were asking for death so I wouldn't kill you

22:05

but you also weren't asking for death so little that I believed you truly needed to live

That's an insane read to get it based off that.

luffy had one thing going for him which is why I trusted him early game: willing to claim TI

22:06

But you were willing to do the same

22:06

so really that wasn't much of an argument

22:06

yes you could've always planned to have someone else do it

22:06

but still

22:07

based on just that it was more likely you than luffy

Yeah Luffy claiming TI was why I was so sure it was Harper.

but the other things made it more likely luffy than you

22:07

the thing is if I had killed you there would've been a 0% chance of killing luffy (edited)

22:07

since he was town trusted and would've gotten me lynched

uh i think u typed that wrong

yea

22:07

what did I even mean

22:08

that

22:08

yeah there was no way to kill luffy with you dead

22:08

however there was a good chance I could kill you with luffy dead

22:08

(i did not know luffy had confirmed you)

22:09

based on the reads I had Luffy as significantly more likely, but I couldn't trust you either

22:09

the next play would've been to NK you

22:09

then tie Meuh and NK Meuh

22:10

I have a solid 200 messages or so in my SC of analyzing the situation and figuring out the best possible play

Yeah, based off the Quantam lynch NKing me is best option.

I was hoping I could get you lynched

22:11

since Quantum seemed like he trusted me over you

22:11

but that was actually a lie from him

I even thought Quantam trusted you over me, I didn't know Luffy fake confirmed me.

22:11

That's why I offered to be lynched.

Once I started suspecting Luffy I noticed other suspicious things such as the Jayanna kill. Jayanna, Luffy and me were discussing if we should tell the WWW to target Jayanna. Luffy really wanted to do it and said harper would kill anyway, at least we should select the target

22:12

Then Luffy put a pingless message saying that in #wolfpack and it happened

22:12

I didn't think over it much when it first happened

22:13

at that point I was convinced it's harper and if not harp then you

22:13

but once I knew it couldn't've been harper I looked back on previous interactions

honestly if i was www i would not have killed jay

22:13

the alliance with jay must be savoured

in hindsight I thought over it again and it just seemed to convenient

22:14

for luffy to say "www pls kill jayanna"

The funny thing Ts

also luffy never shared his fake Huntsman reads

22:14

which imo a wolf would always do immediately / discuss with his team

Is the reason why I thought Harper was www over you initially was because I thought if you were www, Luffy would be dead. (edited)

to me that showed that he is making plans on his own without us

o yea true

22:15

tbh www is always a backseat in my head

Ts

which imo a wolf would always do immediately / discuss with his team

Oh yeah that's a good point.

i never expect to make it to the end where www starts really mattering so i'll typically kinda just ignore them for the most part

once again none of those things I noticed when they first happened

22:15

which just shows that luffy outplayed us all for a huge chunk of the game

22:16

but when I looked back and overanalyzed everything that happened those all stood out to me

22:16

and for you I didn't have much to go on

22:16

you just didn't do much

22:16

which isn't a super good sign

After this game I really have to consider a fake TI claim could actually be a solo.

but like I said earlier you seemed very cooperative but not too cooperative with dying

Ts

you just didn't do much

I didn't know what I could do.

22:17

As citizen I would wait for "Huntsman" to confirm me essentially.

honestly I also didn't do anything either

22:17

same I was Citizen as well

Ts

but like I said earlier you seemed very cooperative but not too cooperative with dying

yea in my mind i was like "they'll give me info and i'll at least last till the morning"

I really need to be more active in public.

this game would've been a pathetic performance for me if not for that final www play

It's not my gamestyle

true i basically decided every kill for almost the entire game

So I always forget.

Luffy was the wolf mvp

Ts

this game would've been a pathetic performance for me if not for that final www play

I don't think so.

for the first half

Wyatt

I don't think so.

I didn't do anything

22:18

I suggested some things but luffy suggested better things

22:18

that's all

22:19

I did a comeback in the second half

I honestly think you didn't play bad the first half, and you played amazing the second half.

Well I wasn't bad per se but Luffy outplayed me

i like chilling out in public chats but when they're not active i can't rlly say much

Sure you didn't do much, but relying on others is a viable strategy

yeah unfortunately I decided to trust and rely on the www

22:21

I mean ultimately it worked out for us

22:21

I think without luffy we wouldn't have won

Oh absolutely.

22:27

I stand by the claim I made in private that Luffy played the best ever losing game on this server. (edited)

yeah I agree

And I agree with you that WWW needs to be buffed because of this game.

I kinda think it's a shame he didn't win. He played well enough to deserve a win

Maybe making every kill odd numbered?

I was thinking maybe they could choose?

22:28

It would make it much less unpredictable for the wolves

Oh that'd be a nice buff. (edited)

choose as in they get one kill every 2 days

22:28

they can use it immediately or save it for the next day

22:29

choosing between odd/even would be another option that my previous comment may have implied

22:29

I didn't mean it but it's also a something that could work

Personally with how hard winning as solo is.

22:30

I like the choosing one kill every 2 days option. (edited)

yeah it's the bigger change, but I think the better one

22:35

I have 2 www wins, 1 tie, and 21 losses tracked

22:35

now 22 losses ig

22:35

the wins being SVIP6 (ancient) and S5G7 tie in S3G2

22:37

8% win rate Vampire: 22% Pyromancer: 6% Devil: 6% Flute Player: 7%

22:38

so technically its not even performing too bad

22:38

if you can consider one win in the history of this server as not "too bad"

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