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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 12:17 PM

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WɹW 29-May-21 12:17 PM

Hey Heron!

Harry's gonna be rather snowed under with cc's today lol, but atm he's prob the only person town should be truthfully claiming to right now if anyone

If you wanna have a non-sus chat about the roles and stuff in general just say so

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:21 PM

I'm scared you're a vampire or something.

Harry knows what I am already.

WɹW 29-May-21 12:22 PM

Oh, good. I really can't see him being anything other than what he says

No need to chat about ourselves etc, I'm not an info-pushy cc'er, and I've already made a right mess this game anyway

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:23 PM

How so?

WɹW 29-May-21 12:23 PM

Quite happy to just talk about meta, role in general, that sort of thing

Rule #3

I broke it

badly

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:24 PM

What is Rule#3?

WɹW 29-May-21 12:24 PM

"never drink and werewolf"

Honestly for me the last 2 words aren't even necessary, "never drink" would do it alone. I was a bit giddy and forgot the best advice someone gave me so far in this game

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:26 PM

WɹW 29-May-21 12:26 PM

"caution first, slow down and be careful" lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:26 PM

you're drunk rn?

sobered?

WɹW 29-May-21 12:26 PM

Nope, my head hurts though

I wasn't even that pissed, just enough... my mate in South Africa who has had Covid TWICE turned up in vc last night so we had a rust clan reunion thing going on most of the evening

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:29 PM

So that, this one, and Hosting

WɹW 29-May-21 12:29 PM

Yeah. Brain fog ensued, what seemed a good idea at the time does not look so in the cold light of morning & all that (edited)

I blame the satanic nun

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And so the second runner claims begin lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:41 PM

So in general, Runners are good to claim early? I notice people always claim that

WɹW 29-May-21 12:42 PM

From what I've seen, its probably the most common fake claim

Strong town might claim it to try to stop wolves attacking them

Wolves claim it because sounds better than Citizen maybe idk, and is more useful to town

And solo/ua to get left alone

(probably a ton of other reasons, but yeah, something like that)

Most of the faking will probably be in the citizen - huntress- runner range I guess

Although rn, Harry's hoping for a macho claim (maybe has one already) so they can be mayor not him, but if he gets two... idk Bob faked macho that first game we played when he got made mayor so I'm instinctively hesitant about macho claims lol

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(although that was because the real macho got infected and turned wolf so a bit different)

regardless, feels like something could also be faked

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:46 PM

Bobloy PTSD is real

WɹW 29-May-21 12:46 PM

ahahaha

At least we got him same time as he got us

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:48 PM

Amongst the Roles listed as Town now, which ones are not to be claimed early? I'm curious about that.

WɹW 29-May-21 12:48 PM

Town 15 - Citizen x2 - Town Crier x2 - Runner x2 - Huntress x2 - Fortune Apprentice x1 - Macho x1 - Huntsman x1 - Oracle x1 - Assassin x1 - Cult Leader x1 - Cult Member x1

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:48 PM

I saw FA, and Cult are Town..a bit odd

WɹW 29-May-21 12:49 PM

Well, it is all a bit circumstantial. Unless you're baiting, or playing for mayor or something, claiming publically to everyone, or a big group, isn't really the thing early (or sometimes ever) I think

Generally, the investigative and killing roles should / would be being the most careful I guess

Yeah, Cult is strong town

Fortune Apprentice just takes over the role of the first Ti to die, so in this game Huntsman (kinda cop) or Oracle (kinda parity cop). Its basically a backup

Usually it seems there are a small number of town roles can actually confirm themselves independently

Previous game the barman was one

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:51 PM

oh fudge, Fortune Apprentice, I mix that up with the Flute one all the time.

WɹW 29-May-21 12:51 PM

Yeah easily done lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 12:51 PM

Haava's role last time

WɹW 29-May-21 12:52 PM

Yeah, pretty much. Like a limited town amnesiac

Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 12:52 PM

Database error. Could not find role fap!

Fortune Apprentice | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Fortune Apprentice will take the place of the first town investigative role to die. Details At the start of the first day where a town investigative role died the previous day or night, the Fortune Apprentice will become the role of the first town investigative role that died, and join their secret channel. This will not happen if the Fortune Apprentice’s role has changed.

WɹW 29-May-21 12:53 PM

That one wants to be staying out of the limelight I guess, as it is only useful after a Ti dies

So this game, far as I can figure, there are 3 sets of 2 town that can kinda confirm eachother

Town Criers get to know one other townie's role, so assumedly just claim to them straight away (like presumedly Harp did to Harry)

Then the 2 cult obviously, though leader is town killing so might want to be low profile

Potentially wolves try to throw up fake pairings of their own, they should I guess

The other town roles; citizen is going to be a bit meh, going to be a bit on the outside until either only 2 claims of it left or they happen to get checked by a Ti

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Huntress prob will have fakes on it too, just wants to be careful who they put as their target. I'm not very sure of the meta with that one honestly

Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 01:17 PM

Huntress | Townsfolk Killing Basics The Huntress may select a player to attack with their dying breath. Details The Huntress may target a player. They can update this target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Huntress wants. When the Huntress dies in any way other than by directly being lynched, their target will be attacked by them. The other player is attacked immediately and if it succeeds, the Huntress’s role is revealed to all. If the Huntress did not target a living player, the Huntress’s role isn’t revealed.

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 01:19 PM

That's an autokill during the day? if they die prematurely

But can Huntress kill normally at night?

WɹW 29-May-21 01:27 PM

Its basically Vengeful Townie

So if it gets killed, by anything other than a yeet, it takes someone with it

Otherwise no it can't kill independently of being killed itself

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 01:36 PM

just one shot?

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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 01:36 PM

Cult Leader | Townsfolk Killing Basics The Cult Leader acts as a cult member, except that if the Cult Leader dies the cult loses its ability to attack at night. Details The Cult Leader is part of the cult. After Night 1, the cult can attack one player each night. When the Cult Leader dies, the cult is disbanded and can no longer attack at night. If the Cult Leader loses their role, the cult continues to exist, until the original Cult Leader dies. Any member of the cult, who no longer is a Cult Member or cult leader, can still vote on who to kill. The cult decides their victims by voting on whom they suspect most. The cult’s attack is an end-night ability.

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 01:42 PM

How does a Cult Leader lose it's role?

WɹW 29-May-21 01:43 PM

In this game, Vampire I guess

There's other roles, like infected wolf, that can change someone's alignment but that's not in this role list

But if they're demonised and targeted for a kill they'd become undead, so I think lose their role?

Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 01:44 PM

Undead | Solo Miscellaneous - Underworld Team Basics The Undead are the vampire’s secret army. If a demonized player dies during the night, they will lose their original role and become an Undead. Details When a demonized player, that is not part of the underworld team or group, dies during the night, they will instead become Undead and will be part of the vampire’s team. They have the same win condition as the vampire; they will win once all players are either vampire, dead or Undead. The Undead is one of the most complex roles in the game. The Undead is a dead player who pretends to be alive. They lose their previous role, but if they were part of a group like the wolfpack, they will remain in the channel and be able to vote as long as at least one other member of their group is still alive. However in cases like the wolfpack, their vote will internally count for 0 when calculating the decision of the group poll. If all members of a certain group have been turned their ability will be lost. If all members of a group are dead or turned, the group is disbanded.

WɹW 29-May-21 01:45 PM

Yeah

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:05 PM

That's a lot of words.

Ethan pinged for Macho to claim, is that a good move?

WɹW 29-May-21 02:16 PM

Well you've done it now, but I would have said yes

You're one better than runner... hope you're prepared for the cc chaos lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:20 PM

I panikkk

WɹW 29-May-21 02:20 PM

Don't. First thing you need to do is ask for claims

Get people to cc you so you don't run out

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:20 PM

What's yours?

WɹW 29-May-21 02:21 PM

Did Harry not tell you?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:21 PM

he just told me Ethan's

so I claimed to Ethan as well

WɹW 29-May-21 02:22 PM

Ok. Ethan seems, from town square, at least, to feel townish

He's a bit of a Tony from my very limited experience, mad scum energy lol

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I'm gonna assume you're not going to be countered...

And fuck it, I've made enough of a mess already

I'm the Oracle

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:23 PM

yay!!!

I can trust you.

WɹW 29-May-21 02:23 PM

Yeah you can. I have one issue though

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:23 PM

I hope

WɹW 29-May-21 02:23 PM

I claimed to Dora

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:23 PM

Dora sus?

WɹW 29-May-21 02:23 PM

Yeah. My result... ummm lets say I misread it

She's not the same alignment, but I thought she was

So I claimed to her in "oh great, you're town!" excitement

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:24 PM

you have a result? I didn't even notice phase change

WɹW 29-May-21 02:24 PM

This is the second day... well first day is like D0

My action is immediate at night, I checked her against myself last night, then realised my mistake just as I was doing results in the other game (edited)

FML

Personally I think she might be a Vampire

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:26 PM

WɹW 29-May-21 02:26 PM

The only thing that is potentially saving me is she knows she's not town, so she's gonna be

at what I said

I have to sell it as having been making a play

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:26 PM

You can be undead with her?

WɹW 29-May-21 02:26 PM

I'm just not sure what play

Anyone could be undead if demonised and then killed. Aside from you I guess

If she's Vamp she may have demonised me yeah, but not an issue until/unless someone tries to kill me

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She also could be a wolf, and think I'm baiting, I have no idea

Our chat went very quiet lol, she never claimed back, all I've come up with was to ask "was that convincing? and say the other game "ruined my flow".

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I'm honestly at a loss how to approach it now

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:31 PM

I added her to my cc with Tony, and it's dry too.

WɹW 29-May-21 02:31 PM

I had a plan for the first person I checked not being aligned but it went out the window

I'm mostly pissed at myself for not leaving it and choosing a target when I woke, I just wasn't sure I'd be up in time

I didn't really want to find someone not town from our lot, next time I have that choice I'm randomly picking someone I don't know from Adam (edited)

But its completely fucked my approach.

Fwiw, I gave harry this too. I've put a keyword in my oracle cc, if I die (before huntsman) and am not demonised the FA would take my role and get access to that channel

So they can verify themselves, it is "shenanigans" lol

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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 02:36 PM

Oracle | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Every night, the Oracle can select two players and see if they have the same current alignment as each other. Each player can only be checked once. Details Each night, the Oracle can inspect two players. The Oracle will be told whether they have the same current alignment or not. This result is not affected by disguises. The Oracle can select itself as one of the two players, but can only select each player once throughout the game. Inspecting players is an immediate ability. Unaligned roles (if they are still unaligned) have the same alignment as each other, solo roles on opposing teams do not. Some role's current alignments may be different than their role's starting alignment (e.g. Cupid, Cupid's Lover).

WɹW 29-May-21 02:38 PM

Given what happened I don't know what my shelf-life is, but I can check someone against you tonight I guess if you tell me who to hopefully confirm a town

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 02:48 PM

okay, sure I'll update you! I don't have much cc's btw. Just 5, only 2 of which I created. You want me to cc with anyone from our group? Did you cc Prophy already?

WɹW 29-May-21 02:49 PM

No. He's been swearing he won't talk to me this game after what I "did" to him in the last two

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So I've been waiting for him to pluck up the nerve

In your position I'd probably conserve a couple of cc's at least for contacting people who don't contact you (edited)

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I have individual cc's with Orc (nothing in it), Harry, Dora and you

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Generally, meta would be for you to announce candidacy for mayor in town-square and ask for everyone to cc you with their claims

You're really looking to find the other Town Crier & townie pair, and the cult, just because they can kinda confirm themselves a touch by having 2 people link together

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As I said though, you'll probably get at least 1 wolf pairing, if you don't that's brill but beware of inactives or w/e messing the calculations up

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 03:03 PM

I cry

just when I said I won't claim early this game

WɹW 29-May-21 03:03 PM

Some roles it is the right thing to do

Last time it was a bit non-meta 'cause you did it in snuggles so early - it was clear you were what you said you were from that but gave some minor stuff away to non-town they didn't need to have at that point

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This game, macho is the best role to become mayor, if you're attacked you know who did it and town still gets to vote a reporter the next day before you die

And reporter is pretty crucial

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You also could have let Harry do it but I think you as mayor, and him maybe as reporter could work

(assuming you don't get 2 more TC claims, but that would be a very fast play for anything not what Harp & him claimed I think) (edited)

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WɹW 29-May-21 05:38 PM

How're you getting on? Anything I can do to help etc?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 05:47 PM

any reason why Mojo would claim Vampire?

WɹW 29-May-21 05:47 PM

In Town Square? Joking I thought, same as the hellhound stuff

If he did it in cc with you. then wow

Town Square, I've decided, is basically the Camelot song from Monty Python

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 05:48 PM

no, he didn't in cc.

WɹW 29-May-21 05:49 PM

Then yeah, that read as a joke to me

I can't really see any purpose to seriously claiming that when not, and I think just doing it openly would be considered game-throwing, or close to (edited)

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Orc claimed huntress to me, says he did to you & Harry too

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I will bet you get a number of those, no real feeling on him yet

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 05:53 PM

Just Orc did so far

WɹW 29-May-21 05:54 PM

Ok. How many people have been in touch? If not like, at least half the game by now, I really would advise calling publicly for them to do so

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I know I know lol

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 05:55 PM

it doesn't help that I'm really sleepy rn too. I finished Asylum last night and slept at 4am-ish

WɹW 29-May-21 05:55 PM

Just post something like "as prospective mayor, I'd have expected more of you at my door by now. Please cc me to make your claims, ty"

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Then take a step back lol

Last couple of games I've seen the mayor/claims gatherer get rather in a tissy trying to pull it all together

Most important thing is you get a bit of a list of claims going, create another cc just for you to use yourself for notes or something if easiest

Keep most of the claims tight, even if you get multiple people saying the same thing (apart from "oh, 5th cit, nice" type things)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 05:58 PM

You've just reached the highest sus level for helping me.

It's getting scary

WɹW 29-May-21 05:58 PM

Then you can either share your notes, or even add someone / some trusted people to the cc when you are sure of them

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Don't do what Orc did that time he was up for mayor and share things too widely, he was quite leaky

People should be coming to you and giving you stuff, not the other way around for now

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ You've just reached the highest sus level for helping me.

WɹW 29-May-21 06:00 PM

Lol, I always try to be helpful

But any townie should be giving you the same advice, building a trusted group is basically the mayor's most important job

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:02 PM

I'll note that.

WɹW 29-May-21 06:03 PM

Or not even necessarily a group, but collecting info and making sure probably town starts to get an idea what is going on and coordinate without non-town catching too much info etc as a by-product

Personally, I might try to focus on getting an experienced, active and helpful player confirmed for assistance

That first game Prophet & I would have been lost without Luffy (who I checked as Huntsman first time I could and confirmed), then we connected with the Bakers and that made 6 of us, which was a good core group to work from

Ok we had a wolf mayor, but we caught him thanks to Luffy's advice

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:05 PM

I claimed to Bobloy too

That game

WɹW 29-May-21 06:05 PM

Oh we all did

It was a good lesson though

And yeah, while this may seem a bit daunting, esp with so many players, you should learn a fuckton about how this game works in the next day or two lol

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Just make them talk to you. Anyone who doesn't claim to an uncountered Macho Mayor candidate in this spot is sus AF

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A lot who do claim will be too ofc, but it will give you a much better idea

If you only get 1 cult claim (well, 2 people) and nobody is left to claim, perfect, that can be trusted. Etc

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Don't pay too much attention to what people tell you others claimed to them, especially if early when all the regs are doing "Hi, I'm runner... Oh hi, I'm cit" (which from reading previous games is half the cc's)

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What matters is what they claim to people they have reason to trust, like you in this situation

(obv someone telling 10 different people 10 different things is good info, but this thing is not the same as ours, where "townies should never lie" is a thing)

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Here - townies should never lie to someone who is known to be trusted, but otherwise all bets are off

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WɹW 29-May-21 06:21 PM

Out of curiosity, has Dora claimed to you yet?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:22 PM

no she didn't

Despite the Macho claim

WɹW 29-May-21 06:23 PM

Yeah, I mean we already know she bad... and like a townie should just have claimed to me anyway when I went "oh hi, I'm oracle and you town", we connected as town in previous games with no more than that

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But I can try to push her for something, not sure what the most natural thing for me to do there is

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In reality if not for the error I wouldn't need to push her as I'd know she town, but yeah

I have to admit to having some curiosity about what her real reaction was to my claim to her lol (edited)

She must think its a play (like I'm remotely confident enough here yet to do that), but idk what play to sell it was, whether a weak townie fishing, or actually a non-town

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:31 PM

Push her some more

WɹW 29-May-21 06:31 PM

Okay

If she pulls "sus on me" all of a sudden I'll tell her to go claim to you instead... but she's had nuff time now to try to think of something.

If she goes for something a little creative that might help, ie if she's been assigned 'the wolf to claim x role" and there's only 1 other person claiming that

If she's not a wolf but Vamp that won't be as much help

(an organised wolf team might well be trying to setup a number of fake roles. Bob was trying that in that first game, having like a mirror trusted where wolves pretended to be town at each other, which he could then later add actual townies to, but didn't get that far)

(a less organised one they might all just claim cit/huntress etc)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:38 PM

hold on, so is there anyway that the whole Harp- Harry thing was a ploy?

WɹW 29-May-21 06:38 PM

Unlikely, but it is possible

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:38 PM

idk still how Harp knew she's going to die.

WɹW 29-May-21 06:38 PM

There would need to be 2 CT counter claims

Someone said in Town Square that wolves were going to kill her

As a joke I think but idk

I'm not sure, if that was a wolf plan, they'd use Harry for it tbh

This is why you need to ask for those claims

If there are two more CT / townie pairings out there aside from Harry/Harp then there's thinking to be done

But there is no evidence of that atm

Like they should have countered in Town Square probably

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Balance of probabilities Harry is runner and good

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:41 PM

CT is?

WɹW 29-May-21 06:41 PM

Oh sorry, TC

Town Crier

Crier Town lol

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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-May-21 06:41 PM

Town Crier | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Town Crier knows another townsfolks's role at the start of the game. Details The Town Crier will be told the role and identity of one other arbitrary person from the Townsfolk team at the start of the game. This information is one-directional. The role given is not under the influence of any other powers, and therefore is completely reliable.

WɹW 29-May-21 06:45 PM

Would you like me to go in town square and tell everyone to cc you?

\o/

Gj

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 06:46 PM

Ahahahha

I was typing

WɹW 29-May-21 06:47 PM

(Heron's discord goes potty)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:01 PM

CT - can be Confirmed Townie

WɹW 29-May-21 07:01 PM

That works

I have been wondering about Chef. Whether town could do a deal with them, protect town and we hide the waiter or something. But idk what the meta is around chef telling town who the waiter is, potentially risky if it leaks

As long as town waiter is still alive, it is not necessarily in chefs interest to work against town

But if wolves find out who it is they'll kill them fast as they can

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:06 PM

Doesn't the chef have one Town and one Wolf waiter?

WɹW 29-May-21 07:06 PM

Chef has one waiter of each alignment, including solos

So one of the 2 Vamps is a waiter I believe

And idk about another one, they were debating whether 3 or 4 in Town Square and I lost the thread of it

But like, there was a Flute waiter in a previous game

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Chef dies if all the waiters die, so their only interest is keeping them alive

They could deliberately side with town or wolves, more likely if it appears one is stomping the other I think. Unlikely they side with solo etc I guess, but again if that waiter is alive that's never bad for them I reckon

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They can only serve food to each person once though, so can only protect each of their waiters once. That previous game we had the chef(s) working with town, like they served Prophet protective food and everything, but wolf waiter found out who town waiter was and killed them, forcing the chefs to then work with wolves

WɹW They can only serve food to each person once though, so can only protect each of their waiters once. That previous game we had the chef(s) working with town, like they served Prophet protective food and everything, but wolf waiter found out who town waiter was and killed them, forcing the chefs to then work with wolves

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:11 PM

Waiter vs Waiter is allowed?

WɹW 29-May-21 07:12 PM

Yup, I can't remember how the wolves worked out who it was, whether chef just told them or they worked it out as it was a baker and the other two died, but wolves deliberately killed town waiter to get chef to work with them

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:13 PM

savage! did the wolves win?

WɹW 29-May-21 07:13 PM

No, town won that game, that was the game I died while in the middle of typing to you about connecting with town remember?

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iirc anyway, sure it was that game

All depends how the role allocations work out though too

Like if Chef gets a very active experienced solo waiter, and like a town who doesn't know the roles and doesn't talk to them and an afk wolf say, it could work out very differently to if all active and equally involved (edited)

Or if the chef is a newbie/inactive

Not that it is in this case at all

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:16 PM

Ahh yes the Bartender trick!

Now it's Harriet.

WɹW 29-May-21 07:17 PM

(as in Harry's the town waiter?)

If so that's good with him being a runner

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:20 PM

I meant that Harry now is sort of the CT, just like how it was the Bartender that game.

WɹW 29-May-21 07:20 PM

Ah right yeah lol, I was wondering

Usually that one would be kept close to someone's chest for quite a while

Is Wyatt talking to you?

The public runner counter claims were interesting

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 29-May-21 07:22 PM

Ethan vs Wyatt

WɹW 29-May-21 07:22 PM

Yeah

Ethan does read differently to previous games when he's inevitably been bad, but that is in public, no cc with him (edited)

He cc'd me when I was getting yeeted as demon and I told Devil about a minute later I thought he was a wolf

WɹW 29-May-21 09:12 PM

This lynch kinda scares me, Wyatt's semi-convincing too

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WɹW 29-May-21 09:51 PM

Well I hope this was the right call (could always have yeeted Dora lol) (edited)

Lemme know who you think I should check tonight, town needs to coordinate a bit here, tk needs to know who to kill etc

WɹW 30-May-21 12:48 AM

k well I might get an early night, will have to do my check in the morning before day. Tempted unilaterally just check Ethan now but I don't want to waste the compare on you if the other Ti also checks him or w/e

Please let me know what would be the most helpful when you see this and I'll submit it when I wake up

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 01:48 AM

Yes please, check Ethan.

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 02:30 AM

Mrrrm, I have another TC claim, claimed to have found cult but didn't disclose. Other TC claim, claimed Hunstman Info. Which is likely lying?

WɹW 30-May-21 02:46 AM

Early night fail.

Hmmm, so there's two TC claims, aside from Harp?

Eeek. Have you have anyone claim cult? Or Hunstman for that matter? (edited)

Difficult to tell from that info, I'd be wondering why the one that said they'd found cult didn't give you more info

WɹW Eeek. Have you have anyone claim cult? Or Hunstman for that matter? (edited)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 02:49 AM

yeah there is another one

WɹW 30-May-21 02:50 AM

Ooof ok this is where this game gets messy lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 02:51 AM

Will cult just reveal themselves just like that though?

WɹW 30-May-21 02:52 AM

Well, that depends. Last game I played the cult member died and the leader claimed openly (though to be the member not leader)

Honestly they should be trying to connect to other town

They need to know who to kill afterall

There doesn't look to be a host online, but is Ethan the best check for me still?

If you've got someone claiming TC, or cult, that's a two for one if we can confirm them

We can figure that out in a bit though

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 02:57 AM

The other Huntsman shared results on 2 non-Wolfpack: Luffy and Ethan according to him. (But isn't this a convenient result if you're part of the pack?) The other one that the TC disclosed, hasn't reached out

WɹW 30-May-21 02:58 AM

Hmmm ok. Yeah that is slightly convenient, although half the players are town, and Luffy & Ethan are high profile

And checking Ethan tonight is logical after today

Another apparent huntsman not reaching out is meh, would be good for you to know what they're saying

Ok, where to start. Is Luffy speaking with you?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:03 AM

yeah he reached out

WɹW 30-May-21 03:03 AM

Is he being helpful? Like about game mechanics and stuff?

He was with me when we were both town before

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:04 AM

Claimed a role that is consistent with gossip.

Yeah he is, giving tips similar top yours.

WɹW 30-May-21 03:05 AM

Ok. I've never seen him play scum here, but that's a good sign (edited)

So, let me get this straight.

One TC claim said they know huntsman, but their huntsman's not been in touch (edited)

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Second TC claim said they know cult but no further info

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And there's an independent huntsman claim that has given that info

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(is that right?)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:12 AM

yep

WɹW 30-May-21 03:12 AM

Ok. Well most convenient would be the first TC lying

But I doubt it'll be that easy

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The good thing is that learning something about any of those kinda verifies or sus's several others

Exercising your power lol

I need caffeine. And you need an experienced player you can trust asap

Has anyone counter claimed the role Luffy is claiming to you? (edited)

(btw, are you having fun, stress aside?)

WɹW Has anyone counter claimed the role Luffy is claiming to you? (edited)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:24 AM

Surplus of it actually

WɹW (btw, are you having fun, stress aside?)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:25 AM

in a way, but every time I open a CC, I'm anticipating trickery.

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ Surplus of it actually

WɹW 30-May-21 03:26 AM

Ahhh one of those, ok lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:27 AM

I told him, that I have 2 Assassin claims, and he said ask them to shoot each other. OmG

WɹW 30-May-21 03:27 AM

Lol

Problem is that one of those is very possibly the lone wolf, so they really might shoot each other

Most likely someone claiming assassin actually can kill

However that does seem to be something is done

(as in asking counters to check/shoot eachother)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:31 AM

oh here's the claiming Hx: First assassin claim - claimed only to me. Said he claimed something else to another Runner. Second assassin claim - claimed to Harry first as he's the first CT(Confirmed Town). Claimed to me after I posted my address last night.

WɹW 30-May-21 03:33 AM

Both seem plausible

One thought that just occurred, huntsman gets wolf/not wolf. So cannot distinguish Vamp from town

like vastly favourable odds their non-wolf result is town, but do remember that if we manage to confirm one of them

Harry bloody well better be town btw, this will be shitshow if he isn't. I'm pretty sure he is, but does he feel right to you, you've been in enough chats with him of late lol

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:41 AM

I keep on questioning that myself. Hope this isn't a ploy the wolves are playing.

WɹW 30-May-21 03:42 AM

Thing is, wolves have their own trust issues this game with the white werewolf

Harp would have had to sacrifice herself to establish someone like that without them having full trust in there... unless they were both the hellhounds... but even then, risk of getting cc'd by two other TC's plus the experienced player being the one to die... just seems real far fetched (edited)

Ok well, we need to work out what would clarify the most things

If I checked an Assassin claim, that'd give you 1 good and 1 bad for sure, I'd suggest telling the good to kill the bad and the bad to kill Dora if we did that

Or, I check a claimed TC, or the huntsman who gave you the info

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 03:49 AM

This is his results: Ethan is not wolf nor is Luffy

WɹW 30-May-21 03:49 AM

Yeah, that would be good to check

It is up to you though, I don't want you to have to leak a name & role to me unless you're absolutely sure about me, but you could just give me a name and not tell me which of the relevant roles they are

WɹW 30-May-21 03:58 AM

I keep having thoughts and realising they're bad ones, hmmm

How many blanks overall do you have (ie how many people haven't claimed to anyone that you know of?)

I'm actually wondering wtf cult are doing

The member at least should have been sent to claim to you I think

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-May-21 04:00 AM

Town Crier | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics The Town Crier knows another townsfolks's role at the start of the game. Details The Town Crier will be told the role and identity of one other arbitrary person from the Townsfolk team at the start of the game. This information is one-directional. The role given is not under the influence of any other powers, and therefore is completely reliable.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:00 AM

"one other arbitrary person"

Hmmm. I wonder if that is chosen at complete random.

Because giving TC a cult person actually kinda gives them two

I have no idea whatsoever if there's any unwritten (or written) rules about that

Like could a TC know a baker? If so they'd be getting 3 for the price of 1, seems OP

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:04 AM

oh I just asked the TC that after he gave me 2 names.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:05 AM

The best outcome for us here is that they can, that TC is being truthful and cult are just not paying enough attention. That'd make the TC w/huntsman bad, and the other huntsman claim prob good

That might just be wishful thinking though

And that's without even considering the assassin issue

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:11 AM

TC said that the other cult person is his target, and is 100% cult. The thing is no one has claimed cult yet to me.

I'm confused on his wordings coz I thought TC gets predetermined info?

WɹW 30-May-21 04:12 AM

Yeah, afaik they just get a name & role at the start of the game as it says

Nobody having claimed cult, when there are two of them, does suggest that could be good info though

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WɹW 30-May-21 04:15 AM

dammit

(as an aside, status report from my cc's - Prophet will only respond to me with emojis basically 'cause the fun is unidirectional apparently, Dora is avoidant - I wish that had been a play rather than my actual role, it would have told me everything - and I kinda think Orc might be sus but that's not based on much)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:22 AM

What is going on between you and Prophet?

WɹW 30-May-21 04:22 AM

Hahaha

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:22 AM

I kinda need to know that now.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:22 AM

Ok, so first game we teamed up as Bartender and Huntsman right

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Then second game, I was demon, and he let on quite early by accident that he was a Ti role

And he read all my chat with astraphilliac reporting back from him lol

Then the last game, I was town, he was a weird solo role, not shepherd what was it, reaper maybe?

Yeah reaper

Anyway, we were chatting again in that one but I got into town trusted who were sus on him but was still pretending to him I was in the same boat as him as "unverified town"

So anyway, he says I "read him like a book" and isn't talking to me in these games for a while

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Which isn't entirely true

Only one of those occasions I was non town, and that time I was a 3P not a wolf, so it wasn't hard just to play town for a bit and he slipped, I never pushed him or really played him... aside from Jay killing him for us just before he got me yeeted after he eventually checked me (edited)

Its not that hard to get a vague read on someone you know relatively well in these games if you talk enough

He just misjudged me once and is now scared, is the tl:dr

Dora said something strange though, that he was acting odd in her cc with him

Oh no, she said "iffy vibe"

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If she turns out to be vamp rather than wolf I'd bet he's a wolf, or vice versa

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WɹW So anyway, he says I "read him like a book" and isn't talking to me in these games for a while

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:33 AM

haha! i saw him say this in Orc's. I'm afraid that I relate to that.

Dora cc'd me with a claim, and Prophet has not, although I have him listed as something.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:35 AM

What did Dora claim lol?

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:35 AM

Still waiting for him, since he usually does.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:35 AM

Yeah, he voted I saw, that's odd

WɹW What did Dora claim lol?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:35 AM

one of the multiple ones too.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:35 AM

And he's been on, he posted

in my cc with him just after I went to try to sleep too

Yeah ofc she did.

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Just so you know Heron, I'm relatively easily read as town when I am, and I wouldn't put this much effort into playing you if I wasn't. Really.

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She's not town, 100%

If it hadn't been for the initial confusion with my results it would have been so much easier for me lol (edited)

Trying not to be salty still lol

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:40 AM

so it was a host error

WɹW 30-May-21 04:41 AM

Yeah but its rude to go on about it so we're calling it a misread, been there done that so I don't want to harp on, and I was hassling for my result so I could go drinking (edited)

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I was so pleased she was, apparently, town

doh

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:45 AM

okay, so Dora 100% not Town? Can we have her as one of the Huntress's target?

WɹW 30-May-21 04:45 AM

Yes

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:45 AM

Do they reveal it in Storytime?

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-May-21 04:45 AM

Huntress | Townsfolk Killing Basics The Huntress may select a player to attack with their dying breath. Details The Huntress may target a player. They can update this target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Huntress wants. When the Huntress dies in any way other than by directly being lynched, their target will be attacked by them. The other player is attacked immediately and if it succeeds, the Huntress’s role is revealed to all. If the Huntress did not target a living player, the Huntress’s role isn’t revealed.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:46 AM

If Huntress dies and takes someone with them, their role is put in storytime yeah

That was, at that stage, my only 100% check because I could do it against myself. Luckily tonight I have you, so anyone I check against you we'll know if they're town or not for sure (edited)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:52 AM

check Bobloy please, instead of Ethan.

Just to get rid off the Bobloy PTSD for this game.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:53 AM

Ok

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 04:53 AM

He's claimed something, and I have another one of that.

WɹW 30-May-21 04:54 AM

Submitted, I think host is eu-ish so will prob be a few hours

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It is "immediate" though so should know before phase change if I'm awake then lol

WɹW 30-May-21 08:31 AM

Reporter gets elected today, assuming you live (edited)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:32 AM

gee, I didn't expect that.

He's one of those that I don't have an idea of tbh. (edited)

WɹW 30-May-21 08:33 AM

Lol

He might be wolf cub

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:33 AM

I was cutting cake & stuff and here he comes.

I thought lynching him will reveal him, I forgot this isn't our other server.

Ahahhaha ooops

Noob mistake

WɹW 30-May-21 08:35 AM

Well, if you get a trustworthy reporter elected they'll get his role

That's why reporter is so important, they get the roles of all the dead

And don't choose 2x lynch

That's not done often, basically you need to know town have the numbers to be able to split the vote (and have 2 people at once to yeet)

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:37 AM

okay just in case, I get attacked. It will be announced right?

and die anyway

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-May-21 08:37 AM

Macho | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics If attacked, the Macho will be told the name of one of their attackers and will not die until the beginning of the next night. Details If the Macho is attacked during the night, they will survive until the end of the next day, and will be able to attempt to spread the word about their killer. If a Macho is attacked, the fact that the Macho was attacked that night is announced in storytime. The Macho will know who attacked them, and it is up to them to decide whether they want to share this information or not. At the end of that day, the Macho dies. If it’s a group that attacked the Macho, the attacker’s name is told to the Macho. If the Macho is attacked multiple times in a single night, they will not be killed by any of them, and the kill they are informed of will be chosen randomly from all their attackers. If the Macho is lynched, they will die as usual.

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:38 AM

ahh so the last bit is why he's brazen to admit that at a time that there's no Reporter yet. (edited)

WɹW 30-May-21 08:38 AM

Ok

You and Bob have the same alignment

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:38 AM

are you sure?

WɹW 30-May-21 08:38 AM

Yes, just got it right now

How can I help? Like I can claim to Bob so he knows you're good.... in the 1% parallel universe where you're bad I'm screwed anyway so I'm discounting it as pointless to even consider lol

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Or I can talk with Luffy or w/e

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 08:44 AM

hold on, I need to process his bs first.

I can't believe he used his 89-yo grandma to lie.

This makes me mad. I hate using RL stuff to lie in this games.

WɹW 30-May-21 08:47 AM

2 reasons I can think of. He is wolf cub, so getting killed gets them 2 killed

Or town are doing better / wolves are doing worse than we thought, and are trying to do something about a macho being mayor / town getting reporter today

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 09:36 AM

okay, Mrm. I want to cry

if you're lying to me

WɹW 30-May-21 09:36 AM

I'm not hun

Really

Ok can we trust Luffy any more now since my result?

Like you let on my role to him so I'm guessing enough?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 09:41 AM

I just decided to trust him too.

as in as we speak

WɹW 30-May-21 09:41 AM

Sometimes you do have to take a balance of probabilities leap of faith

He seems ok, and if he is town he's an asset regardless of his role (edited)

I lol that someone else countered Oracle. If that was Dora I swear...

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 09:43 AM

It wasn't

But you'll find it interesting

WɹW 30-May-21 09:44 AM

lol, go on

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 09:44 AM

But until now, no cc yet.

so I'm kinda forced to believe you

WɹW 30-May-21 09:45 AM

Honestly Heron, I couldn't be more town, I've been genuinely trying to help you

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WɹW 30-May-21 10:15 AM

Ok, so Luffy is worried a fake TC has a real huntsman under their control

How likely do you think that is based on what you know atm?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 10:27 AM

I'm worried about that too. TC claim #1 is close to Harry

And he trusts him/her.

WɹW 30-May-21 10:28 AM

Oh crap, is that the one I didn't just verify?

How leaky has he been?

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 10:28 AM

#1 isn't the one you verified.

yeah, he said he trusts them.

as in maybe top 3

WɹW 30-May-21 10:29 AM

Oh glorious

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 10:30 AM

I can ask the Cult to take care of it as a test.

yikes

WɹW 30-May-21 10:31 AM

Yeah. I think we have to assume that Harp probably was TC, which means the other is a major issue

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I hope Harry has been a bit cautious with roles & names (edited)

Like you have mostly in here, you've done right, mostly I didn't need to know names so not sharing until necessary makes sense

I just worry if he trusts someone he's leaked all sorts

Well, if so I ded

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uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 10:38 AM

Nahahah

WɹW 30-May-21 10:40 AM

I've changed the codeword in my cc to "scundered" and said an ex-FA should go to you. I doubt Harry shared that to anyone but just in case

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 10:41 AM

ex-FA

WɹW 30-May-21 10:42 AM

Having fun yet?

If not, it will be more when you do pull a trusted group together

Reporter needs to be someone you know is good, and on message

And town needs to start getting linked up tomorrow, one or two minor risks may be worth it compared to the risk of anyone in the know getting ended and the rest of town not knowing who to go to

Remember when I was clearly dying that first game and tried to let people like yourself know what to do etc

WɹW 30-May-21 11:45 AM

Asked Harry to be careful without sharing my exact result tonight

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 11:47 AM

thank you!

WɹW 30-May-21 12:18 PM

Ok well that's the Hobbit problem sorted lol

Guess you should gleefully point out he clearly wasn't the real macho in ts

Did we lose anything good / known with the other death... and who tf kills the chef?

(oh and yay, still alive)

WɹW 30-May-21 12:29 PM

I have like 1 cc left, could you tell Bob my claim and it was me who verified him last night and get him to cc me if he has any left. Town need to start connecting now

WɹW 30-May-21 01:07 PM

Luffy and I have a kinda plan, obv made in isolation & depending on what you know that we/I don't etc

There's a possibility Dora is the White Werewolf. She feels solo to me, not something I'd bet on but she's more avoidant than curious (the latter being more expected from pack)

So we were thiking, possible plan - lynch the fake Oracle. You know I'm town lol, but if we get reporter that will confirm me for sure. Reporter then also checks if Wyatt was Runner, if not we send Ethan to interrogate Dora lol

www might be prepared to partly work with town against wolves Luffy says (edited)

uoɹǝH ǝꓶ 30-May-21 01:10 PM

is that the tl;dr

I'm literally Goldy today

WɹW 30-May-21 01:11 PM

Hahaha

Yeah, it very much is - shortest I could make it

(basically, when you have a mo, you need to figure out & announce a reporter and yeet candidate today... easy :P)