Werewolves Revamped

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:12 PM

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WɹW 28-May-21 04:13 PM

Hey upside-down Harry!

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:13 PM

Hi

WɹW 28-May-21 04:14 PM

I just finished work for the next 9 days, yahooooo!!!

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:14 PM

Nice

WɹW 28-May-21 04:14 PM

This upside down thing is going to give me a headache though lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:15 PM

Somehow I don't have issues with reading it But it's hilarious in some cases

WɹW 28-May-21 04:15 PM

I suppose its easier than the previous 2 games, all we have to do is stand on our heads

So, what do you make of this one, had a chance to look at the role list etc?

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:18 PM

Checked on role listed, understand some, some are unknown.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:19 PM

Ok, we can go through it if you like? I think I have a grasp on most of them.

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:20 PM

If you want to, why not. Got some time too

WɹW 28-May-21 04:20 PM

Ok cool

Town first...

Town 15 - Citizen x2 - Town Crier x2 - Runner x2 - Huntress x2 - Fortune Apprentice x1 - Macho x1 - Huntsman x1 - Oracle x1 - Assassin x1 - Cult Leader x1 - Cult Member x1

Ok well most of those are pretty easy

Citizen is just vanilla townie, probably be a few claims of it.

Town Crier I think gets the name & role of another townie, so anyone who is one of those has a safe person to cc and claim to as a place to start

Runner seems like a default scum claim a lot of the time, kinda leave me alone sort of claim

Investigative roles are Huntsman & Oracle, backed up by the apprentice (takes one of their roles when they die). They're high value targets so want to be careful who they claim to etc

Neither one is effected by disguises I think

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:24 PM

Huntsman | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the Huntsman may check a target to determine if they are “part of the wolf pack” or not. Details The Huntsman cannot see a player’s role, but they can check whether a player is in the wolfpack. The Huntsman’s inspection is an immediate ability. Since the Huntsman does not check the role itself, they are not affected by any disguises.

Oracle | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Every night, the Oracle can select two players and see if they have the same current alignment as each other. Each player can only be checked once. Details Each night, the Oracle can inspect two players. The Oracle will be told whether they have the same current alignment or not. This result is not affected by disguises. The Oracle can select itself as one of the two players, but can only select each player once throughout the game. Inspecting players is an immediate ability. Unaligned roles (if they are still unaligned) have the same alignment as each other, solo roles on opposing teams do not. Some role's current alignments may be different than their role's starting alignment (e.g. Cupid, Cupid's Lover).

WɹW 28-May-21 04:24 PM

(that second is basically a parity cop where the first one is kinda a cop)

Assassin gets 3 kills iirc, and then cult leader kills too, so they're the main town killing roles. Huntress can kill too ofc, all of them want to find trusted town so they know who to target

And then Macho, that gets told who attacked it and then doesn't die until the next day, it may try to bait a kill by claiming something else like Ti I guess

I guess trusted town will probably build around the cult, and/or the 2 Town Crier + person they know is town pairings

They will prob find it easiest to verify themselves when needed, though a pair of scummies could try to pretend to be any of those groupings

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:32 PM

I expect a lot of citizen claims.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:33 PM

On the evidence of previous games, wolves will mostly claim citizen, runner and maybe huntress

Several stronger town roles probably will too early on

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:34 PM

Well, Dora claimed citizen last time, and she was wolf.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:34 PM

Yeah. And I did when I was demon

Although I wasn't happy about it really lol

Wolves 10 - Wolf x4 - Hellhound x2 - Alpha Wolf x1 - Clairvoyant Fox x1 - Lone Wolf x1 - Wolf's Cub x1 Solo 3 - White Werewolf x1 - Vampire x2 Unaligned 2 - Chef x1 - Cupid x1

So the interesting one in that list is White Werewolf, although Vampire is just unpleasant

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:36 PM

Wolf | Werewolf Miscellaneous Basics The Wolf has no special abilities. Details The Wolf is a player who acts like a regular player during the day, but secretly kills players during the night, together with all the other werewolves.

White Werewolf | Solo Killing Basics The White Werewolf is a werewolf who is not satisfied with merely killing the townsfolk; they must kill all the werewolves as well. On even numbered nights, the White Werewolf may attack a member of the wolfpack. Details To the werewolves, the White Werewolf will appear to be a regular wolf. However, it is the White Werewolf’s goal to win the game completely alone; even the other werewolves must die. Attacking a member of the wolfpack is an end-night ability. If only werewolves and the White Werewolf are left alive, the game will continue until either all werewolves are dead or the White Werewolf is dead. The White Werewolf is strongly disguised as a regular wolf. If the White Werewolf changes role, the disguise is lost. The White Werewolf is considered a lycan.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:38 PM

So, Lone Wolf can prove itself by killing and joining the pack later, and alpha wolf gets extra votes in wolf chat so can prove itself by that

Cub wants to get killed to get wolves two kills, and hellhounds are basically scum bakers, so have a secret chat with each other.

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:38 PM

Clairvoyant Fox | Werewolf Investigative Basics Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may investigate one player, and the results will be known to both them and the Wolfpack. Once per game, the Clairvoyant Fox may alternatively join the wolfpack as a regular wolf. Details Each day, the Clairvoyant Fox may either investigate one player or choose to join the wolfpack. When the Clairvoyant Fox investigates a player they see that player's role. The investigation is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. If the Clairvoyant Fox survives the day, the result of the investigation is announced to them as well as to the wolfpack at the start of the night. The wolfpack only sees the result and that it's from a Clairvoyant Fox - they don't know who was checked. The Clairvoyant Fox and wolfpack do not know each other's identities, as the Clairvoyant Fox is not a lycan, nor a member of the wolfpack. If the Clairvoyant Fox chooses to join the wolfpack, they may not investigate that day, and will lose their power as they will become a regular wolf. Joining the wolfpack is an immediate ability and investigating a player is an end effect.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:40 PM

And that's Wolves investigative role... I've been told before that there is little point trying to work out which wolf most of the wolves are, all you need to know is that they're a wolf

However they have 4 regular wolves and then 1 white werewolf, so there should be issues within wolf chat I guess around trust etc

Then the main 3P... Solo.. are the 2 vampires

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:42 PM

Vampire | Solo Power - Underworld Team Basics The Vampire wins by secretly turning all the living players into undead. The Vampire demonizes players; if a demonized player is killed in the night, they will instead turn into an undead. Details Each night, the Vampire may demonize one player. On even numbered nights, the Vampire may demonize a second player. The target will not know about it by that time. Vampires cannot demonize themselves or other members of the underworld. When a demonized player is killed in the night, they will turn into an undead. The Vampire wins the game, along with the undead, if all players are either Vampire, dead or undead. If there are several Vampires, they work together. Demonizing a player is an immediate ability. If no members of the underworld channel remain, all demonized players are no longer demonized.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:42 PM

Ahhh, I was wondering about that, they do work together, yukky

That's kinda cult-like from our games, changes your alignment if you would have died, nobody likes that

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:45 PM

Some of their descriptions are really confusing.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:46 PM

Yeah they can be... although so are ours until you get used to them

As far as I can figure that one, Vamp just plays like our cult (ish) but with more indirect recruitment via demonized people getting "killed"

With 2 of them they can demonise what, 6 people every 2 nights

I'm not entirely clear what effect being demonised might have on other results, like Ti ones, although I'm not sure with the roles in this game that really matters too much. I guess once undead someone shows as undead alignment wise but would have to check that (edited)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:52 PM

But demonised player need to be killed to turn into undead. I guess it doesn't apply on lynch.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:53 PM

Yeah I'd think not

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:53 PM

Cupid | Unaligned Align - Townsfolk Base Alignment Basics The Cupid chooses one player to be their lover, and forms an inseparable team with that player. Details During Night 1, the Cupid must choose one player to become their lover. If the Cupid does not choose in time, they will fall in love with a random player. The lover is added to the Cupid’s secret channel. The Cupid and their lover form an inseparable team; they will die if the other player dies. Choosing a lover is an immediate ability. By default the Cupid wins with the townsfolk team. If the lover is on a different team, they will only win when both win conditions are fulfilled. For example, if the couple is Cupid and a wolf, everyone else must die. If the lover is townsfolk, they are townsfolk aligned and can win together with them. The Cupid’s love overrides any other mechanic that may cause a player to change teams for any reason; the Cupid is always on the same team as their lover. After choosing a lover, unless they are also unaligned, the Cupid is no longer unaligned. If the lover is unaligned, the couple can either win with townsfolk or with the lover's win condition. If the Cupid loses their role before selecting a lover, a random lover is chosen.

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:53 PM

That one is pretty clear for me

WɹW 28-May-21 04:54 PM

Yup, almost the same as ours aside from the wincons

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:54 PM

Was about to say that

Can be messy

WɹW 28-May-21 04:55 PM

Yeah, that one kinda wants to be lovers with another townie I'd think

Just for simplicity and "easiest" wincon

Only other thing is Chef, which we've had in previous games, that one has quite complicated meta I think with the waiters etc

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:56 PM

Chef | Unaligned Miscellaneous Basics The Chef can choose to make charmed food or poisoned food each night, and select a customer. The following day, the customer can decide to eat the food, and, depending on the food, gain invulnerability for the night or die. The Chef wins if they are alive at the end of the game, and at least one waiter remains. Details At the beginning of each day, the customer chosen by the Chef is given the opportunity to eat the food. They can choose yes or no, but they don’t know what food the Chef sent them. If they eat the poisoned food, they die at the end of the day. If they eat the charmed food, they are invulnerable from night attacks for the next night. After the night ends, the effect of the charmed food disappears. Making food and selecting a customer is an end-night ability. Eating the food is an end-day ability. Once a customer has eaten food, they can no longer be sent food. Each game has a certain amount of players that are “waiters” - one from the townsfolk team, one from the werewolf team, and one from each solo team. Waiters are not informed about this, nor does it affect their win condition or ability. The waiters are on different teams. The Chef wins, if at least one waiter, and the Chef itself are alive when the game ends. The Chef is able to win with any team, even if that teams win condition is to kill all others. The Chef dies once they are unable to win; this usually happens when the last waiter dies. The Chef may not select themself as customer.

WɹW 28-May-21 04:56 PM

The first game when I was town, the chef basically let on to their wolf waiter who their town waiter was I think, so wolves killed them to force the chef to work with them instead

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:57 PM

Oh

WɹW 28-May-21 04:57 PM

Seems like, unless missing something, that's the only role that can do a protective thing in the game (edited)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:58 PM

I thought that angel can do the same. Let me check

WɹW 28-May-21 04:58 PM

But they'll generally protect their waiters first and foremost as if they all die, chef dies

Maybe but there isn't an angel is there?

Witch can protect multiple people in a night but there isn't one of those

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 04:59 PM

Oh wait, it can't lol

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 04:59 PM

Angel | Unaligned Miscellaneous Basics The Angel wins when they are lynched. Details When the Angel wins, the Angel ascends and stops playing. The game continues. On all public votes the Angel starts out with -1 invisible votes. The Angel may select a player that dies when the Angel is lynched, if this player has voted for the Angel when the Angel is lynched, it is announced and they will also die. The Angel may change their target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Angel wants to. The Angel cannot select themself. Targetting a player is an immediate effect. If they haven’t selected a valid target, a random player that has voted for the Angel is selected instead. If the Angel is lynched by unusual means (e.g. by the invisible Stalker votes or the Executioner selecting them) the player responsible for this will die with the Angel. If nobody except the Angel has voted for the Angel, nobody dies. If the Angel's target didn't vote for the Angel, but did put invisible votes on the Angel, they are considered a valid target.

WɹW 28-May-21 05:00 PM

Yeah, it can't lol

But there isn't one anyway according to the list in information (edited)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:01 PM

It's more like our vengeful townie

WɹW 28-May-21 05:01 PM

Yup

The solo roles are possibly the most complicated ones to know how to play overall as a newish person, I'd have been lost as demon without having had an experienced, and friendly, devil

As you know from your FPA experience lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:04 PM

Yep That was bad. But somehow I didn't screwed myself way too much as I did as bartender. Fast forward lynched D9

WɹW 28-May-21 05:04 PM

Yeah that was really unfortunate that someone meta'd your grammar

I was kinda pissed I didn't see it, although I didn't really look

Shame as bartender is a great role, given you can categorically prove yourself very easily

This game I'm not entirely sure how trusted town breaks out of their twosomes, Town Criers can prove themselves to 1 other person which is a start but connecting those should be interesting

Last game I had a town role that's only purpose was to get killed so kinda stayed quiet and out of the way deliberately, which actually worked as wolves killed me lol

But this one is much bigger for a start. My tactic in the previous one like this was just to cc people I'd interacted with before (so mostly from our games) and chat about random stuff, see what I thought of them, how natural they come over etc.

If you're town gotta take a chance sometime, but make it a calculated one, don't just tell Orc your role right away lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:10 PM

Lesson I've learned by hard way

WɹW 28-May-21 05:10 PM

And if you're not town I don't want to help lol, but doing the same basic thing makes sense as you need info and to try to be in the loops or otherwise you end up on the outside getting yeeted without even knowing why lol (edited)

I had Prophet pretty convinced I really was a citizen that game when I was a demon, that was fun despite it ending badly for me.... although it did for him too

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:12 PM

I need to pay attention around Dora lol

WɹW 28-May-21 05:13 PM

Lol, she's a smart cookie that one

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:14 PM

And deadly one

WɹW 28-May-21 05:14 PM

Ha yeah, can be! She picks stuff up real fast, I hope she's town this time

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:14 PM

I hope too

WɹW 28-May-21 05:17 PM

I want to see how Tony plays in this format, he was very awol last time

Prophet's probably avoiding me

Previously in the last big game some of our lot got slightly ignored by the regular players so imho it makes sense to start there and work outwards, although I might be a bit more daring this game with who I cc lol, we shall see

(edited)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:22 PM

Tony was marked as inactive last time. Idk, maybe they'll take us as regular this time

WɹW 28-May-21 05:23 PM

Heh maybe. With the cc format it is easier to strike up proper conversations with people you're familiar with though

And I don't see the point in a lot of the cc's I see get made after the game which have like 2 lines in them

Generally I think over time you can get something of a read on people if you talk to them properly, its hard to be definitive ofc but I've tended to find my impressions have been in the right ballpark more often than not

Like when in that first game I talked to Olenna, she was nowhere near curious enough about me for her

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:26 PM

That's why I check our ppl first And get killed by them:joy:

WɹW 28-May-21 05:26 PM

Helped that I was hunstman, but that's why I checked her first and found she was a wolf lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:27 PM

Lmao

WɹW 28-May-21 05:28 PM

Heh, I guess if any of us get killed early, unless for a definite reason, its more likely to be by someone we vaguely know

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:29 PM

Heh, I did this to Dora during first game

But she betrayed us with first opportunity so it was some kind of justice

WɹW 28-May-21 05:30 PM

I didn't play that one I don't think

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:30 PM

Off-season

WɹW 28-May-21 05:30 PM

Ah

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:31 PM

Total mess

Pyrobard

WɹW 28-May-21 05:31 PM

Oooof

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:31 PM

Damn thieves lol

WɹW 28-May-21 05:32 PM

That is why its good I think, to chat with people early but not give stuff away without good cause / reason

Assuming town, if you're a "weak" role you don't want wolves knowing and killing you for the claimspace

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:32 PM

Well, she was Pyro too Got swapped and outed us

WɹW 28-May-21 05:32 PM

And if a important one, obvious

Ohhhh

Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-May-21 05:32 PM

Thief | Unaligned Align | Limited Basics Each night, the Thief choose one player to switch roles with. Details The Thief wins if they are still alive at the end of the game. When they switch with a player, they become that player's role, and the other player becomes the Thief. Selecting a player to switch with is an immediate effect, but switching roles is an end night action and happens after any other end night actions such as night kills. The Thief can switch with a dead player, if the player was alive when they selected them. When switching with another player, all their channels are switched. Effects such as being powdered are not swapped. If the Thief does not select a target, a random player is chosen. Each Thief may only select every player once. If there's no or only Unaligned players left to select, the Thief immediately ascends and wins. This can happen immediately after selecting a player.

WɹW 28-May-21 05:33 PM

Oh wow

lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:36 PM

Big olé oof

WɹW 28-May-21 05:39 PM

I gotta go jump in vc with peeps I play Rust and stuff with, be back a bit later

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:40 PM

I finally arrived to my parents lol

WɹW 28-May-21 05:41 PM

Oh, forgot to ask, is your gran (was it?) ok?

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:42 PM

Still on monitoring, lack of minerals, otherwise her heart is ok

WɹW 28-May-21 05:42 PM

Ah ok well that sounds positive, best wishes to your family etc dude

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 28-May-21 05:43 PM

Yep, thx

WɹW 29-May-21 11:10 AM

Oh cool, you're actually town?

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:10 AM

Dead town

Yep, I am local Gump

WɹW 29-May-21 11:11 AM

You should be ok if you're a runner, there's no solo killing roles

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:12 AM

For one day

WɹW 29-May-21 11:12 AM

Well I made a big boo boo last night, though not entirely my fault

I said some things to Dora I'm now regretting lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:13 AM

Lol

WɹW 29-May-21 11:13 AM

Never drink and werewolf, seriously

Did Harp really think she was getting killed? I defo read that as a joke

They'll possibly try to make you mayor now (you've got my vote lol)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:18 AM

Who knows Lol, I don't want to be such important role. Keep me away from that. And I used to drink during WW too. Especially during Murder house

WɹW 29-May-21 11:18 AM

Runner is a good shot for mayor lol, assuming not attacked now you can survive the next night & get town a reporter

You do know what that means though

cc hell

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:19 AM

Yep, this

Load of claims

WɹW 29-May-21 11:19 AM

You're going to have to get everyone to claim to you yeah

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:19 AM

Need to sort them

WɹW 29-May-21 11:19 AM

I will as soon as it is day (if I die, well all you need to know is above lol)

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:19 AM

But without knowing style of most of ppl here, pure hell

WɹW 29-May-21 11:20 AM

Ok, well I'm actual real town, so I can try to be of help

What you need to do is find the other trusted pairs first I'd think

Should be another TC & person they confirmed, and the 2 cultists

Careful though, I'd imagine wolves may well risk throwing up a pairing to you

If they don't and you don't get counters of those pairs, great, you've got 6 - well 5 if Harp dies now to form a trusted chat out if, hopefully there'll be a reg in there who'll help you

I'd suggest, if mayor is the plan, which it might as well be now, that you just post asking everyone to claim to you

Will save you making the cc's yourself at least

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:24 AM

Yep And I am almost on limit

WɹW 29-May-21 11:28 AM

Ok, well remember this word. "shenanigans"

WɹW 29-May-21 11:45 AM

This is a really weird spot to be in, but I believe you're town so

I'm the Oracle

But they made a mistake with my result last night

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 11:46 AM

Ok And I am runner, fr

WɹW 29-May-21 11:46 AM

So I claimed to Dora... which I shouldn't have done! And now have to play it off as having made a play

I've put the word above in my cc, if I die and a FA takes over, they should have that word to prove themselves

Thing is, she knows she's not town, so what she makes of my telling her I know she is I have no idea. Hopefully she thinks I was baiting, but still, weird spot to be in lol

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 29-May-21 12:00 PM

Who you decided to check, if I can ask?

WɹW 29-May-21 12:01 PM

Myself against Dora. They told me we had the same alignment initially, my fault for pushing to get it done quickly before drinking I guess... then corrected it after I'd already gone "oh, you're town, hi I'm Oracle" to her (edited)

I am trying/going to try to play it off as me having been baiting, given she never claimed back, but I'm too thick headed really to know what angle to come at it from

(honestly I prob shouldn't have mentioned that first bit, lets just say I misread my results)

(hole in ground ----> me)

WɹW 29-May-21 12:38 PM

Problem now is if Macho is counterclaimed. Runner, with what seems like good confirmation, is a pretty good mayor no?

WɹW 29-May-21 06:18 PM

Harry, I've been explaining what I know of the meta around becoming the first mayor etc to Heron.

She needs to get into Town Square and insist on everyone cc'ing her to make their claims

Or, you could go in there and tell them to do that for her 'cause she nervous lol

The longer it is left, the more time non-town have to figure stuff out and alter their claims etc

Nobody has come out to counter her macho claim so there is little excuse people not claiming to her

WɹW 29-May-21 09:50 PM

I hope you're right about this one, there was the Dora option lol & check the runners tonight

Lemme know who youse think I should check tonight

WɹW 30-May-21 11:21 AM

Please be being careful Harry

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 30-May-21 11:24 AM

Yep, I'll try to

WɹW 30-May-21 11:27 AM

I really strongly think Heron is good. If she is, there's games afoot elsewhere and they may have been told a lot more than they should

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 30-May-21 11:30 AM

I trust her, with some reserves. But that's mutual

WɹW 30-May-21 11:32 AM

If she's bad she's completely done me, more than fair play to her despite me being off-kilter all game

I'm super, like embarassingly-if-wrong, confident she's not tho

And my result last night, if she is town, from what I understand, also throws a big issue at one of the two this game that apparently have claimed TC to you

So just be careful who you share what with is all, anything could be a trap and none of the scenarios are great

ʎɹɹɐH ʎɹǝʇsɐuoW 30-May-21 11:38 AM

Already encountered with counterclaims.

WɹW 30-May-21 11:40 AM