Werewolves Revamped

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-Apr-21 02:21 PM

Hell

You are part of the Hell team. You win together with the Devil. The Hell team cannot be betrayed.

Stray 30-Apr-21 02:21 PM

@Cleric Villager hello!!!

We're a secure team which is nice.

Also, very first thing, we should sort out claims.

Either of us could be runner, but probably not both of us - a lot of town pr will probably try claiming it too.

We could also have you try a pr claim, but probably not the best idea - if wolves are sensible they'll go for pr claims too, plus if it gets leaked you may become a target for wolves.

Same with cursed civ/child.

I guess because of devil's investigative capacity we could pull off a TI.

Citizen is safer than journalist - lynching journo claims is a good tactic for town to confirm others.

Right now I'm thinking I claim runner. This means I could probably swap to a TI claim later, if necessary. You could try citizen.

Let me know what you think when you get online.

Dinnerbone 30-Apr-21 02:48 PM

i guess i will say it here since both of you can use them you have 2 souls

Stray 30-Apr-21 02:48 PM

thank you little cat

Stray 30-Apr-21 05:34 PM

@Host if one of us gets attacked and a soul is consumed, will we be told who?

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 07:34 PM

Hey, sorry hideous day at work, just gotta eat something and then I'll pay some proper attention to this

Last game was my first game here so I'm not massively familiar with any roles that weren't in use in that one, but I hopefully catch on relatively quickly

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:02 PM

You'll be fine, don't worry. If you need any help I'm probably one of the more experienced people on the server.

What I saw from you last game was really good so I'm excited to work with you.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:04 PM

Thank you, I'll try not to disappoint

Hmmm, just looking at some of the cc's I've been pulled into already.

Tony seems to be claiming citizen

Bob says he's an angel

Cleric Villager Bob says he's an angel

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:05 PM

not altogether unlikely

angel is becoming a worse fakeclaim as games go on, because people actually tend to lynch angel claims

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-Apr-21 08:05 PM

Angel | Unaligned Miscellaneous Basics The Angel wins when they are lynched. Details When the Angel wins, the Angel ascends and stops playing. The game continues. On all public votes the Angel starts out with -1 invisible votes. The Angel may select a player that dies when the Angel is lynched, if this player has voted for the Angel when the Angel is lynched, it is announced and they will also die. The Angel may change their target once per phase, with 1 emergency change to be used whenever the Angel wants to. The Angel cannot select themselves. Targetting a player is an immediate effect. If they haven’t selected a valid target, a random player that has voted for the Angel is selected instead. If the Angel is lynched by unusual means (e.g. by the invisible Stalker votes or the Executioner selecting them) the player responsible for this will die with the Angel. If nobody except the Angel has voted for the Angel, nobody dies. If the Angel's target didn't vote for the Angel, but did put invisible votes on the Angel, they are considered a valid target.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:05 PM

make sure to avoid voting him if he is lynchhed

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:07 PM

hmmm, ok, interesting

Tony - Weaponsmith Villager — Today at 6:14 PM hmm now my role makes sense Zombie Villager — Today at 6:15 PM ? Weaponsmith Villager — Today at 6:15 PM I'm not the Devil but look at the cover

Oh good I just died in another game, that'll help me concentrate on this one lol

Stray @Host if one of us gets attacked and a soul is consumed, will we be told who?

Slicedlime 30-Apr-21 08:20 PM

to answer this, we are not sure i have raised an issue on the github so i will tell you when a decision is made as normally it would be in your private conspiracy channel, but the demon does not have one. For now assume we will say who got attacked but it may change to just us saying one of you got attacked (we wont change it once you have been attacked)

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:21 PM

aight

Cleric Villager Tony - Weaponsmith Villager — Today at 6:14 PM hmm now my role makes sense Zombie Villager — Today at 6:15 PM ? Weaponsmith Villager — Today at 6:15 PM I'm not the Devil but look at the cover

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:21 PM

what do you think on this?

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:22 PM

I'm not at all sure I buy it

Tony is smart. He was awol last game but if he tries, he's very capable. Him claiming easily is a red flag.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:24 PM

Hmm. Interesting.

I doubt he's citizen, yeah, but the real question is if he's PR or wolf.

I'm wagering Benny, by the way. He's new as far as I know, which means I should be able to get a decent read on him by what he chooses and how quickly he chooses.

You alright with disguising yourself as cit? I'll go with runner.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:26 PM

Makes sense

Yeah, I'm not familiar enough with all the possible roles so I'll go with whatever you think on that and work from there

Town (17): - Citizen x3 - Journalist x3 - Runner x2 - Cult Leader x1 - Cult Member x1 - Crowd Seeker x1 - Aura Teller x1 - Priest x1 - Assassin x1 - Bartender x1 - Cursed Civilian x1 - Child x1 Wolves (10): - Lone Wolf x2 - Wolf Cub x2 - Disguised Fox x1 - Lone Warlock x1 - Saboteur Wolf x1 - Scared Wolf x1 - Sneaking Wolf x1 - Wolf x1 Solo (4): - Devil x1 - Demon x1 - Flute Player x1 - Fulte Player Apprentice x1 Unaligned (3): - Angel x2 - Despot x1

Ok, I know most of those town ones actually

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-Apr-21 08:27 PM

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Crowd Seeker | Townsfolk Investigative Basics The Crowd Seeker may investigate up to 3 players each night by guessing their roles. Each correct guess is confirmed. Details The Crowd Seeker can select up to three different players each night, and guess for each of them what their role could be. All guesses have to be made at the same time, and all correct ones will be confirmed. The Crowd Seeker is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. The Crowd Seeker’s seeking is an immediate ability.

Cursed Civilian | Townsfolk Miscellaneous Basics If the Cursed Civilian is attacked by a lycan, they will turn into a wolf instead of dying. Details The Cursed Civilian is part of the townsfolk team, however they may betray their team at some point. If attacked any other way than by a lycan, the Cursed Civilian will die as usual.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:29 PM

Let me give you a quick run-down of everything in game, shall I?

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:29 PM

Yeah please go for it. Start with your role and mine, and the general meta with them?

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:34 PM

okay, so, devil and demon. devil is maybe the most powerful role to exist in game, which is why duplicates of it can't exist (on the same team). if we play our cards right, we can make it to the endgame pretty easily, but then things get a lot harder, because by that point claims have narrowed down a lot, etc etc. at the beginning of the game, we'll want to try and find likely wolves. wolves are more likely to kill with wager than town are (who will investigate/ignore instead, unless they have a confirmed wolf). killing someone with a wager will give us souls, which we can use to kill others/protect ourselves later in game. later in the game, we'll need to gauge whether wolves or town have the upper hand, and side with whoever's the underdog as subtly as we can. this is hard, because we'll want to be flying under the radar as much as possible, and therefore won't be trusted. it's basically a very complex balancing act.

demon is basically devil sidekick.

not much to it.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:37 PM

Ok, basic 3P forum mafia strat, try to keep the game balanced, involved enough to know what's going on but not enough to draw attention.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:47 PM

Townsfolk Roles Citizen/Journalist/Runner: These are the roles you will see people claiming, because they're easy to fake. Town PR will likely prefer runner fakeclaims by a slight margin, as wolves are less likely to target those; wolves will skew towards citizen and journalist, most likely, because there's more of those and therefore more claiming space. Solos could go either way. Cult Leader/Cult Member: Town's likely core. Wolves will likely focus on eliminating these first if they can, because as killing roles they're the biggest threat; can kill every night post-N1, and won't die if they attack the wrong person, plus can back each other up. Bartender: Town core part two. The only town role that can prove itself without a shadow of a doubt. Priest/Assassin: Town's other killing roles. Priest is less of a threat to us, because it can't kill us, but may out us, and wolves will likely go for it soon after Cult. Assassin "only" gets three kills, but is still obviously a large threat. Crowd Seeker/Aura Teller: Town's investigation roles. Wolves and solo really want crowd seeker out, because it can check three people per night, and can quickly disprove people's claims. We're fine though because I believe it's vulnerable to weak disguises(?). Aura Teller is slightly less threatening, because it will also see some town roles as threats; additionally, you'll fly under its radar, as you don't qualify as a threat. Cursed Civilian/Child: The sour spot between not being good claims (because wolves want to kill these due to their effects on dying) but also not exactly being PR. We shouldn't need to worry about them too much. Wolf Roles Honestly, wolves as a whole we hopefully won't have to worry about early game. They need us in the early stages, but if they do discover us, we'll become a target as soon as they no longer feel they need us. I'll probably explain more about them if they become relevant. Solo Roles FP/FPA: Annoyances.

Werewolves Bot B BOT 30-Apr-21 08:48 PM

Cult Leader | Townsfolk Killing Basics The Cult Leader acts as a cult member, except that if the Cult Leader dies the cult loses its ability to attack at night. Details The Cult Leader is part of the cult. After Night 1, the cult can attack one player each night. When the Cult Leader dies, the cult is disbanded and can no longer attack at night. If the Cult Leader loses their role, the cult continues to exist, until the original Cult Leader dies. Any member of the cult, who no longer is a Cult Member or cult leader, can still vote on who to kill. The cult decides their victims by voting on whom they suspect most. The cult’s attack is an end-night ability.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:48 PM

Flute Player will only be a threat if I get enchanted... which I very well may do. In that scenario, a player who investigates may realise I've been enchanted, narrowing down who I could be. If I do get enchanted I'll probably hold off on sending wager for a while.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:50 PM

Why would you being enchanted narrow that down?

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:51 PM

Wager investigations are seen from my perspective. This means that if I am enchanted and a wager recipient chooses to investigate someone, there is a 60% person that the investigated player's role will display as flute player. This would only happen if I was enchanted.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:51 PM

Ahhhhh

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:52 PM

If someone does display as a flute player, they might of course actually be flute player - but it's more likely that I am enchanted.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:53 PM

Got it, I see the issue there. Especially if you're enchanted really early

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:53 PM

Yep.

Best case scenario would be someone investigating the flute player and thinking I'm enchanted when I'm not, though. That'd be super funny.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 08:54 PM

Stray Wager investigations are seen from my perspective. This means that if I am enchanted and a wager recipient chooses to investigate someone, there is a 60% person that the investigated player's role will display as flute player. This would only happen if I was enchanted.

Slicedlime 30-Apr-21 08:55 PM

wrong

If the player chooses to see another player’s role (immediate), it will be affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the player’s perspective, not the Devil’s.

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:55 PM

huh

3) The recipient may choose to sell their identity, to see another player’s role. Checking another player is an immediate effect. Afterwards, the devil is privately informed what role the recipient has. Both of the investigations are affected by weak disguises and obstructions. These effects are seen from the devil’s perspective, not the recipient’s.

Slicedlime 30-Apr-21 08:55 PM

ts reminder me of the rule yesterday

hu

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:55 PM

some uh

some contradictions there

Slicedlime 30-Apr-21 08:56 PM

although he posted that before the change so it may have changed let me check

ye it got changed, it used to say what i said in the devil description but changes in the new wager description

so ignore me

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:58 PM

aight

annoying but there you go

also where is my soup association kruthers

Slicedlime 30-Apr-21 08:59 PM

im keeping taven

Stray 30-Apr-21 08:59 PM

how could you

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 09:11 PM

Ok, so from what you said, Town's investigative roles aren't a major issue for us (crowd seeker does say it is effected by weak disguises), and town're most likely to coalesce around the cult & bartender. There's a bunch of killing roles but we just need to stay out of their way lol.

3 journalists, 3 citizens and 2 runners, yeah everyone'll be claiming those

Is citizen a better cover for me than journalist?

I guess journalist is more of a target

Wolves I know all their roles I think, or pretty much, and yep makes sense not to worry too much about those atm anyway... so I guess the most use I can be for now is to see if I can get any easy reads on anyone I know?

Stray I doubt he's citizen, yeah, but the real question is if he's PR or wolf.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 09:44 PM

Oh, ooops. For some reason Heron is using Tony's avatar

That caught me right out with the name changes too, it was Heron claimed citizen not Tony

More credible then

Stray 30-Apr-21 09:45 PM

Aight, good to know

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:11 PM

I'm going to limit talking in #devil_talk as much as possible.

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:18 PM

ok, I'm not going to go to fast with cc's, only really talking to Dora and Prophet atm... bit sus of both of them lol

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:18 PM

yeah, I'm not really talking seriously about the game to anyone

Dinnerbone 30-Apr-21 10:29 PM

@Cleric Villager sorry, but we forgot to ask if you wanted to disguise as something during d0, so if you still want to you can choose one now

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

Just going with citizen doesn't seem very creative, but creativity isn't always wise

You think citizen over journalist @Stray ?

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

yep

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

(not that journalist is very creative either)

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

if you claim journalist, pr may want to lynch you to prove others

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

Ok, yeah citizen please

Dinnerbone 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

sure?

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

it's boring but we're not wolves, we can't take fancy risks

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:31 PM

Yes, ty

Dinnerbone 30-Apr-21 10:32 PM

Cleric Villager 30-Apr-21 10:32 PM

Yup, agreed

I'll take that caution-first lesson from last game and stick with it

For a few games at least

Stray 30-Apr-21 10:34 PM

heh

Stray 30-Apr-21 11:52 PM

so benny is almost certainly town, pulling that stunt.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:15 AM

Prophet could, possibly, be TI

Stray 01-May-21 12:20 AM

What makes you think this?

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:21 AM

He's been asking Dora and I is either is a killing role

Then he created a chat with me and wants to establish trust like we did last game

Stray 01-May-21 12:22 AM

interesting

you think it’s worth it soul killing him so early?

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:23 AM

I mentioned how easy it was for us last game, what with me being Hunstman and catching a wolf first action

No not yet

I'm not sure

Stray 01-May-21 12:23 AM

cs

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 12:23 AM

Crowd Seeker | Townsfolk Investigative Basics The Crowd Seeker may investigate up to 3 players each night by guessing their roles. Each correct guess is confirmed. Details The Crowd Seeker can select up to three different players each night, and guess for each of them what their role could be. All guesses have to be made at the same time, and all correct ones will be confirmed. The Crowd Seeker is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. The Crowd Seeker’s seeking is an immediate ability.

Stray 01-May-21 12:23 AM

our problem is if he’s cult, not if he’s ti

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:23 AM

I suggested he investigate me if he's TI like I did with who I was chatting with last game

Stray 01-May-21 12:23 AM

nice

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:24 AM

Well if you think of a way we can start proving to each other or something I'm down [11:12 PM] Cleric Villager — Today at 11:13 PM If you're one of the very few info roles check me tonight (worked for me last game, check people you're talking to) [11:14 PM] I'm kinda scared how many kills I see in that list tbh, anticipating a possible bloodbath Iron Golem — Today at 11:14 PM I'll do my best, and that does seem like a smart tactic for info roles

Stray 01-May-21 12:24 AM

hmm

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:25 AM

He might also be a wolf

Stray 01-May-21 12:25 AM

i could suggest to my wagerer that he check prophet? that sounds a little culty to me

mind you, if prophet hears of this suspicion will hit you like a truck

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:26 AM

yeah, don't

Stray 01-May-21 12:26 AM

yeah

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:26 AM

If he is TI he's not a problem for me I don't think

And if he's a wolf he'll want to keep me alive to get stuff

Stray 01-May-21 12:26 AM

ti isn’t a problem for you and is only a slight problem for me

wi isn’t a problem for either of us

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:27 AM

I have much better town / 3P reads on him than scum, I don't think I've ever seen him play as mafia in our games yet

Stray 01-May-21 12:27 AM

interesting

I’m not really known for my reads, deduction is a stronger suit.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:28 AM

Some people don't change, some really do. Atm he's more likely town though I'd say, or at least not in wolf chat.

I generally agree, I'm still wanting to figure out a spreadsheet format for this type of game lol

Stray 01-May-21 12:30 AM

for me it’s more “let me rant into a channel until it all makes sense”

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:30 AM

But I do know the players from our other server relatively well, and in this cc format with the directness of it, you can kinda get a sense

Stray 01-May-21 12:30 AM

yep

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:31 AM

Like Prophet feels much more like he did last game than Dora does

Stray 01-May-21 12:31 AM

hmmm

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:32 AM

so far

If you offer Mojo the wager, he'll think someone in one of our cc's did it

The one with people from our other server, so like 7-8 people I think, someone posted the devil role earlier, he just mentioned he's never taken the wager because he's never been offered it

Stray 01-May-21 12:35 AM

lmaoo

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 11:13 AM

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Cleric Villager 01-May-21 11:33 AM

Oh so your wager checked Dora?

I thought something was different with her

Heron knows the bartender, opened a cc with her

She says that's from their posting style, ok that's interesting

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 12:14 PM

Of ffs I should have seen that

Bartender was Harry, absolutely definitely

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 12:59 PM

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Stray 01-May-21 02:20 PM

Dora is lone wolf, Benny citizen.

@Cleric Villager you are absolutely positive Harry was bartender? (edited)

Stray 01-May-21 02:53 PM

Holy shit, this is looking good for us. CL and Bartender already dead? CM going to die tonight?

Make sure to vote Dora, btw.

Interesting that Mat and MoJo are abstaining. Might wager one of them.

Cleric Villager Heron knows the bartender, opened a cc with her

Stray 01-May-21 03:02 PM

So Heron and Asometric were the two who knew Bartender. Meaning one of them is probably wolf.

Stray @Host if one of us gets attacked and a soul is consumed, will we be told who?

Slicedlime 01-May-21 05:34 PM

dont know if you saw but this has been patched, you will find out in here who got attacked

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 05:34 PM

Souls | Additional Info - Hell Team Members of the hell team that can use Souls may use a Soul to protect someone from all attacks for the current night. If used during the day the player will be protected for the next night. Using a Soul to protect a player is an immediate effect. Members of the hell team that can use Souls may use a Soul to attack a player. The player will be attacked immediately and it is not revealed why they died. This ability may be used during both day and night. If the attack fails it is explained. If a member of the hell team that that can use Souls is attacked during the night and if they have a spare soul in the pool, they will be protected and a soul will be used up automatically. If they are attacked several times a soul is used for every attack. If several members of the hell team are attacked at the same time and there aren't enough souls to protect them all, the protections are chosen randomly, but the Devil is always protected first. When souls are used to protect a member the whole of hell is informed of who was attacked.

Stray 01-May-21 05:34 PM

Okay, thanks kruthers :)

Stray @Cleric Villager you are absolutely positive Harry was bartender? (edited)

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 06:23 PM

Yes, the language, it was him

Stray 01-May-21 06:25 PM

aight

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 06:26 PM

Ugh, should I cc Luffy like he wants?

Stray 01-May-21 06:38 PM

yes

just claim cit

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 06:41 PM

Prophet says he's being pushy with him. Unlike the last game. He's sus its not true.

Stray 01-May-21 06:41 PM

interesting

luffy isn't lying, it's almost certain. unless wolves were absolutely positive both cl and cm were dead, they wouldn't risk this claim, plus someone would have countered by now

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 06:44 PM

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Stray 01-May-21 07:00 PM

@Cleric Villager I'm going to wager Asometric, I think.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:01 PM

That's "Village Cat"? Right, think they're a wolf?

Stray 01-May-21 07:02 PM

I think there's a decent chance.

Acting a little dodgy in town square, plus them being one of two people to know Harry was bartender suggests they got him killed.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:02 PM

Honestly, I think anyone from our server could have spotted it

Stray 01-May-21 07:03 PM

Probably. But only them and Heron seem to actually have said they know.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:03 PM

Dora's lone wolf? So she might not be in touch with wolves, but could have spotted it and killed him

But that's just guess work. I could ask her

Stray 01-May-21 07:04 PM

Don't.

We're not technically supposed to know her role. She may sell you out if she realises you're hell team.

My other candidate is Mojo, who's abstaining, but then again that's probably because he's asleep.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:05 PM

Safety first, ok

Mojo is being odd apparently

Again, Prophet, said Mojo cc'd him and was being overly trusting

Stray 01-May-21 07:06 PM

Prophet's been saying a lot to you, huh.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:06 PM

Hehe

He wants to claim to me

I'm just not pushing

Stray 01-May-21 07:07 PM

Let him claim to you.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:07 PM

lol Luffy

Stray 01-May-21 07:08 PM

Do we want to wager Luffy? It's not a bad deal. In fact, we don't want wolves to have too much of a lead.

@Cleric Villager

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:09 PM

Its an almost certain soul, we don't learn anything but decent deal yeah

Stray 01-May-21 07:10 PM

He won't ignore the wager. In fact, he may actually use it to kill or investigate; placebo effect on the wolves.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:11 PM

Dora killed Heron

I didn't ask, she just fezzed up to it

Stray 01-May-21 07:11 PM

huh

interesting

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:12 PM

Do you have fur and pointy teeth? Its ok, you can share with the girls Zombie — Today at 6:09 PM I’m a good doggo [6:10 PM] I just happened to bite Heron. She shouldn’t have been investigating me...

Stray 01-May-21 07:12 PM

investigating?

look into that

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:19 PM

Zombie — Today at 6:17 PM Well I think it was her [6:18 PM] She was other person who knew what Harry was. Harry said a town got the wager last night and used it to find out my role. Well wager person never admitted it and heron said in snuggles that she knew what Harry was. Only two people knew [6:18 PM] I killed heron cause she basically said her role in snuggles chat

She thinks Heron got the wager is all

Stray 01-May-21 07:21 PM

ah

interesting

also didn't benny literally admit to it

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:22 PM

By pinging for the 'tender? That was him wasn't it? If so I thought so but she may have missed it and Heron did say in several places she knew the bt

Stray 01-May-21 07:23 PM

It was, plus he stated he knew Dora's role.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:40 PM

Prophet claims Aura Teller. Don't mention it to anyone else whatsoever, but tell me right away if anyone else mentions it to you.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 07:55 PM

I thought he might be TI, he says he's told Luffy and nobody else bar me, and he thinks Mojo is town

Claims a "threat" result on Dora last night he said nothing about

I'm about 80% on it, very outside chance he's a wolf playing fast but I don't think so, he's been wanting to tell me for a while

Cleric Villager Prophet claims Aura Teller. Don't mention it to anyone else whatsoever, but tell me right away if anyone else mentions it to you.

Stray 01-May-21 08:01 PM

aight, interesting.

VERY interesting.

we should actually get rid of him, he's our only real threat outside of tk

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:06 PM

I think he'll tell me who he's visiting. And he'll probably check me tonight unless Luffy tells him otherwise, which is ok isn't it?

We should defo kill him soon, but I suspect he's put down some insurance having told me

Stray 01-May-21 08:06 PM

it's not actually

demon got reclassified as hell killing

so you will pop up on his radar

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:07 PM

Ah, oh well bluffed it then with him, told him several times to do it lolol

Stray 01-May-21 08:07 PM

either you should claim tk to him, or i should kill him

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:07 PM

Better kill him haha

Stray 01-May-21 08:07 PM

you reckon you could pull off tk?

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:08 PM

Not given our previous chat I don't think

Stray 01-May-21 08:08 PM

there is also the problem that me soulkilling him may make you seem devil to luffy

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:09 PM

Iron Golem — Today at 6:42 PM Also, I doubt I'll bother checking you since you told me to and if you're bad then I'm fucked anyway

He will though

I could try to flip over to tk but I suspect it'd be more sus than just maintaining

Stray 01-May-21 08:11 PM

okay

so what we're going to do is hope that he does not check you

if he does, you're going to say you were calling his bluff

that you didn't think at would check you so easy and that you didn't want to claim tk

but that a fake at would have told you you weren't a threat so now you know he's real, you can claim tk

probably assassin, that's easier to fake

because i can use souls to help you fake it

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:13 PM

Ok yup, that works

I should have noted that change better, but telling him to check me yesterday apparently got him to check Dora instead... might hold him off another night hopefully

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:31 PM

Iron Golem — Today at 7:27 PM Okay so Luffy apparently told the assassin who I was, even though I asked him not to [7:27 PM] And won't tell me who the assassin is [7:27 PM] Or anything else [7:28 PM] And the other AT claim he said thinks I'm crowd seeker, which is bad too [7:28 PM] It's not looking good

Stray 01-May-21 08:31 PM

huh

so this might actually be a fake at

that does seem more likely

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 08:45 PM

I still think he is. If he's not he's being very very smooth with it in our cc.

I think we can possibly kill him tonight however if wanted, if Luffy's been telling people his claim

Stray 01-May-21 08:47 PM

the real aura teller would never claim to an unknown (edited)

unless he doesn't realise his own importance

Stray 01-May-21 10:19 PM

Luffy is going to investigate an at claim

@Cleric Villager

if u just tell me if what dora and benny were, ill sell my soul

do i lie?

i've told him benny was wolf

@Cleric Villager did dora claim to you?

if i actually pull this shit off it'll be so funny

holy shit luffy may actually be cl

Stray 01-May-21 10:36 PM

ts is the other at claim

crowd seeker might be dead oh my god

luffy is checking him

Stray @Cleric Villager did dora claim to you?

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:41 PM

No, just what was posted above

Stray 01-May-21 10:41 PM

aight

i think i may have tricked luffy into thinking benny is wolf

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:41 PM

Stray holy shit luffy may actually be cl

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:42 PM

Oh you think he's not the member but the leader?

Stray 01-May-21 10:42 PM

he implied so to me

Mason Villager BOT — Today at 21:28 im cult i can already kill Stray — Today at 21:28 oh do we have a little liar here Mason Villager BOT — Today at 21:29 who knows youll know if i investigate

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:43 PM

Interesting

Prophet says Heron was citizen. Wonder how he's supposed to know that

Stray 01-May-21 10:44 PM

hmmmmmmm

i'm calling it, prophet is the fake

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:47 PM

He's an even faster learner than I might have given him credit for if so

He's sold it very well, if I was genuinely town and on my own I'd buy it

Stray 01-May-21 10:48 PM

luffy is cult leader

ts is lone warlock

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:51 PM

Well then

Werewolves Bot B BOT 01-May-21 10:52 PM

Lone Warlock | Werewolf Investigative Basics Each night, the Lone Warlock may check one player’s role. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Warlock joins the wolfpack. Details Each night, the Lone Warlock may inspect a player. The Lone Warlock will be told what their role is. The Lone Warlock is a corrupted version of a fortune teller, with traits of the lone wolf. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Warlock loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Inspecting a player is an immediate ability. The Lone Warlock is affected by weak disguises and obstructions. The Lone Warlock is not a lycan, and is not a member of the wolfpack.

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:53 PM

Ok, so scum know the other AT claim, which I guess Prophet might actually be then after all

Stray 01-May-21 10:54 PM

prophet is at yes

ts is dying tonight

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:56 PM

Ok. Should we kill Prophet then? Or assume wolves will do it for us?

Stray 01-May-21 10:56 PM

wolves wont know who prophet is

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 10:57 PM

Hmmm. Luffy apparently told at least 1 other person

Although it was the assassin claim not the other AT looking back, from what he said anyway

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 11:28 PM

Heh I think he's checked me

Stray 01-May-21 11:29 PM

oh dear

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 11:31 PM

Just a sense

Tempted to ask him outright

Stray 01-May-21 11:31 PM

well, if so, luffy will call you out tomorrow morning

that's when you claim

Cleric Villager 01-May-21 11:37 PM

Ok. Damn he could have been the crowd seeker or something but no

Stray 01-May-21 11:39 PM

luffy thinks crowd seeker is dead

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 01:18 AM

How though?

Harry was the bartender

Heron claimed citizen very early

And we're supposed to have lost a cult member

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 02:57 AM

Ok, Vex/Stitches I know, different Id. Just claimed citizen to me lol

Cleric Villager How though?

Stray 02-May-21 09:10 AM

No idea. Maybe whoever they are hadn't claimed to him yet.

Stray 02-May-21 12:03 PM

Hell (hah) yeah, Luffy's dead.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:05 PM

Ooooh, that's interesting. Wonder if he told someone about taking a different bargain

Stray 02-May-21 12:07 PM

Probably, the remaining lone wolf took a gamble on killing him.

It's what I would have done.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:07 PM

Wouldn't they have joined the wolfpack when Dora was lynched?

Stray 02-May-21 12:07 PM

Dora was Lone.

So no.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:08 PM

Ahhh ok, doesn't apply if a LW dies

Stray 02-May-21 12:08 PM

Four deaths - 1 wolfpack - 1 lone wolf - 1 cult - 1 either priest or assassin

Best case scenario is if priest got a wolf, but I don't see how that could have happened.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:10 PM

Can we day kill btw? And if so when does it occur, phase change to night?

Stray 02-May-21 12:11 PM

We can, and it's immediate.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:12 PM

Ooooh. Kill Prophet lol

Stray 02-May-21 12:14 PM

Nah, town are at a SERIOUS disadvantage if I'm right on the kill methods.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:14 PM

Yeah ok makes sense

So say he does have a threat result on me

Would claiming demon to him and offering to "help" town be a play?

Stray 02-May-21 12:15 PM

No.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:15 PM

ok

Just checking lol

Stray 02-May-21 12:15 PM

Not until far later.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:17 PM

got it. So just try to bluff out that I'm assassin if it looks like he has? Do I claim a kill on anyone last night if so, guess not that'd be real risky to claim, dunno how much Luffy shared with him but might have been a bit

Our cc went rather quiet after night fell, I'll not push it

I think Vex (stitches) is a wolf again

Stray 02-May-21 12:18 PM

If he tries to lead a lynch on you, then you claim to him.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:18 PM

Ok

Stray 02-May-21 12:18 PM

Should I wager Vex tonight then?

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:19 PM

Its only another read, lets see what comes up today. But the cc she made with me last night felt like a wolf scoping me out

Plus she's literally always a wolf/mafia

It must be like 10 games in a row now

Leila also cc'd me asking for a claim exchange

She claimed runner of course

Stray 02-May-21 12:21 PM

Yep, claimed runner to me as well.

Currently thinking Aso is also wolf.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:22 PM

Yeah, makes sense as the bartender leak

Stray 02-May-21 12:22 PM

Okay, so Aso is angel?

Stray 02-May-21 12:31 PM

Aso's def angel. Offering me the chance to get them to lynch someone I want.

Vex is our closest contact to wolves right now, that and maybe MoJo. I don't know if I want either of them lynched; town is definitely losing right now, but wolves are more likely to sell their souls.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:34 PM

Ok. I'll see whether my feeling on her is sustained when she's around, which is usually later (US I think) (edited)

Stray 02-May-21 12:34 PM

Aight, good idea.

So glad to have you on my team, tbh. It's been an honour working with you.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:36 PM

Oh crumbs not at all, other way around, I've really not been all that useful, and ty for all the help

Stray 02-May-21 12:36 PM

Anyone who can get any reads at all has my utmost respect and appreciation.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 12:41 PM

Its just patterns, but in behaviour and language rather than in facts and logic which are always more reliable. I'd only be remotely confident in these games atm with people I know from elsewhere or have closely watched here, which is a small fraction of people playing unfortunately

Mojo wants the wager

Stray 02-May-21 12:42 PM

Clearly.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:07 PM

oooh

Stray 02-May-21 03:07 PM

Huh.

Karah is clearly not Aura Teller, Luffy only had two claims - Ts and Prophet. This means she's likely a diversion - my best bet is Child.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:10 PM

No clearly not. I knew P checked me, early last night too

Ethan cc'd me, wants to know what I am

Stray 02-May-21 03:14 PM

MKe him claim first

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:22 PM

I told him I know who the AT is, and that's not it

Stray 02-May-21 03:22 PM

well, everyone does now

be careful not to reveal information in ccs that you shouldn't know

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:23 PM

Yup

Stray 02-May-21 03:23 PM

or that will get you killed for knowing

likely town: - ~~prophet (at)~~ - ~~karah (child?)~~ - void (journo) - ~~luffy~~ (cl) - ~~log~~ (cm) - ~~harry~~ (bar) - ~~vera~~ ? likely wolf: - ~~dora~~ (lw) - ts (lwar) - mojo ? - leila - des likely flutes - no fucking clue likely ua - ~~wyatt~~ (desp) - aso (angel) - ~~bobloy~~ (angel) - stitches (angel) (edited)

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Stray 02-May-21 03:29 PM

Lynching mrm is what luffy wanted

according to karah

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:30 PM

Yeah, Prophet's just started poking me now

I really don't think assassin is gonna work, even slightly

Stray 02-May-21 03:31 PM

mhm

I may be able to get you to survive lynch, but probably not night phase.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:31 PM

eh, minimum gain, do not risk yourself in any way

Stray 02-May-21 03:32 PM

Karah is 100% not AT.

I'm just suggesting we lynch angel.

If you don't vote, I might be able to get Aso to kill prophet or karah instead

Ughhh.

I don't want you to die but I don't want to look suspicious.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:37 PM

No, don't at all

Stray 02-May-21 03:37 PM

If I co-operate now, I have a better chance of staying alive.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:37 PM

I'd rather you bus me

Soon as Prophet was the AT, ffs, it was always gonna be a big problem

If I'd claimed a killing role to him when he did that I could maybe have sold it

Stray 02-May-21 03:38 PM

yeah, sucks that we didn't think ahead

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:38 PM

But no chance now, too many dots connected

Question is whether there's any way I can be actually useful

Stray 02-May-21 03:39 PM

Karah is going to announce your lynch soon. What you are going to do is cc stitches, tell them you're demon, and ask if they're wolf.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:40 PM

Does anyone know what Ethan is?

Stray 02-May-21 03:40 PM

Haven't heard anything from him.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:40 PM

He kinda feels wolfy but idk that could be deliberate

Stray 02-May-21 03:40 PM

He always feels wolfy.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:40 PM

lol

Yes. So, um, what are you then if you don't know that? Illusioner — Today at 2:23 PM ?? [2:23 PM] I don't know anything lol [2:23 PM] [2:24 PM] no onetells me anything Cleric Villager — Today at 2:24 PM ahhhh, yeah me to now

Stray 02-May-21 03:45 PM

so, I think it's possible I will be checked tonight

which is why I'm considering soulkilling prophet

but souls are a precious resource

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:46 PM

He's currently claiming he didn't check me

Stray 02-May-21 03:46 PM

oh he 100% did

otherwise how would they know to lynch you?

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:47 PM

Iron Golem — Today at 2:29 PM Since Luffy died I'm in the dark a bit Cleric Villager — Today at 2:31 PM Well, I'm guessing you checked me right? Iron Golem — Today at 2:42 PM Nah I didn't, I checked Luffy [2:43 PM] I've already kinda trusted you so I figured if you're wolf I'm fucked anyway Cleric Villager — Today at 2:43 PM uuuugh really?

Yup I agree, he clearly did

Stray 02-May-21 03:47 PM

lies lies liesssss

cc stitches

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:47 PM

I have

Stray 02-May-21 03:47 PM

good job

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:47 PM

She's still claiming to be a citizen lol

Shall I just tell her I'm a demon

Stray 02-May-21 03:47 PM

Yes

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 03:48 PM

I could be wrong ofc

She might be like flute or something silly

Stray 02-May-21 03:48 PM

if it's not stitches, try mojo

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 04:01 PM

Hmmm, nothing coming back from her yet

Just come right out with it to Mojo?

Stray 02-May-21 04:01 PM

no no wait

if she hasn't said something, and she was active before, she's probably wolf

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 04:02 PM

Vex — Today at 2:50 PM hmmmm i can see why they would lynch you

"they"

idk, she's always cagey, and I don't believe she's the last citizen at all

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 04:12 PM

Ok, maybe a hit

Vex — Today at 3:11 PM oooh this could be fun. Town has already turned their backs on me it seems due to a wolf trying to frame me. I'd take the wager.

idk what she is exactly but she'd sell you her soul

Stray 02-May-21 04:13 PM

hmmm

okay, I wager her tonight, and soulkill prophet at the end of this phase.

annoyingly, I think wolves are doing well for themselves, but I NEED souls and prophet is a huge threat

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 04:22 PM

Yeah I think they are too

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 04:42 PM

He's still insisting he checked Dora and then Luffy btw, dunno quite why he won't admit it, his behaviour in chat changed almost as soon as it was night

There's the tinyest bit of me is second guessing things with him but idk. He wants me to help town out but telling him what I am, but also says he's not talking to anyone much without Luffy.

Stray 02-May-21 05:03 PM

....do you think there's a chance he's crowd seeker?

No, then you'd have come up positive.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:05 PM

Its a possibility if Luffy had the real AT check me

But he claimed AT before the change in style to indicate the result (last night just after phase change), idk would CS fake AT?

Stray 02-May-21 05:07 PM

In this scenario, Karah is the real AT, I suppose?

I don't think CS would fake AT. It's a strategy I would consider viable in this situation, but unlikely to take place.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:09 PM

Hmmm. I wonder

It might be a level to try to get me to kill him

Eh idk, I'm second guessing too much

It all depends how long they've known. And the only thing that really could is AT.

So either it is him and he checked me when I think he did, or someone else checked me real early and its a setup. Logic says the first, idk the risk to you if the second (other than loss of a soul)

Stray 02-May-21 05:15 PM

Quite frankly, I think we just have to risk it.

My chances of winning with you dead are sadly quite a bit lower.

Plus I will miss you.

But I suppose winning isn't the goal as much as making sure everyone else is as confused as possible.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:16 PM

Sorry

I will be figuring out what I did wrong so I don't do it next time we get a chance to team together

Stray 02-May-21 05:17 PM

Honestly, you didn't do anything wrong, really. We should maybe have thought about claiming in slightly more detail, but ultimately we just got unlucky.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:17 PM

But yeah, chaos is always a good strat

Idk, I suspect I may have walked into a trap somewhere, perhaps a more creative claim might have worked... or maybe I've been a sitting duck since the beginning. Will find out soon.

Stray 02-May-21 05:20 PM

wolves probably have this game

unfortunate but true

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:20 PM

Yeah seems likely

As usual the tough thing with UA (or what we'd call 3P elsewhere) seems to be figuring out what the hell (lol) is going on fast enough you don't get left behind

Claim a claim-space role you struggle for trust, but be too creative or convincing you get killed, and your team doesn't have the ballast to afford deaths

Should I let on my role to town? If they're behind? Or does that not help them but hinder you?

Stray 02-May-21 05:24 PM

Doesn't help them, probably hinders me

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:25 PM

Thought so, only person I've claimed it to is stitches

who still don't completely know about, but will take the bargain I'm sure. Hope that one hasn't led you astray!

Stray 02-May-21 05:27 PM

Indeed, indeed.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:27 PM

(she'll probably kill Orctin with it just 'cause that's her favourite thing ever)

Stray 02-May-21 05:28 PM

heh.

orctin is probably wolf or fp, because he hasn't been so active, i think

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:29 PM

He has genuinely been away larping, posted loads of pics and I've just fielded a panic'd question from his cohost about results due now

Stray 02-May-21 05:29 PM

lmao

hope he's having a good time

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 05:30 PM

Me too. He's probably not town anyway, wasn't active enough before he left, should be as of tonight

Stray 02-May-21 07:01 PM

void is being very open about being trusted/pr

makes me think he and karah are the cursed civ/child pair

presumably someone is puppeting for karah - probably someone with not inconsiderable experience, and likely one of the tks

Werewolves Bot B BOT 02-May-21 07:05 PM

Alive Players | Total: 25

- ItzCloud (@Husk)

- harperette (@Toolsmith Villager)

- Leilaboo (@Farmer Villager)

‍

- MatMeister (@Leatherworker Villager)

- VoidMist (@Hoglin)

- Orctin (@Pillager)

- Prophet (@Iron Golem)

- MrM (@Cleric Villager)

️ - shitposting-hobbits-to-gallifrey (@Butcher Villager)

- federick (@Wandering Trader)

- Jayanna (@Fisherman Villager)

- jej (@Skeleton)

- astraphiliac (@Stray)

- Mojo Jojo (@Cartographer Villager)

- Asometric (@Village Cat)

- gibbs (@Armorer Villager)

- Sharl Eclair (@Baby Villager)

️ - Karah (@Fletcher Villager)

- Dennis (@Spider)

- RAPHAEL_4568 (@Baby Zombie) ▪️ - Ethan. (@Illusioner)

- Steinator (@Ravager)

- stitches (@Vex)

- PsychoBelp (@Librarian Villager)

️ - BENNY (@Vindicator) (edited)

Stray 02-May-21 07:05 PM

stein, dennis would be the top candidates for that

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 08:20 PM

Yeah makes sense

I've been wondering about the cult thing, and whether the member really died

idk, most likely all this AT stuff is because they know I know who it is and are trying to muddy the waters

Stray 02-May-21 08:22 PM

the member definitely died.

luffy would not have claimed otherwise.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 08:22 PM

Ok yeah I guess not

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 09:52 PM

Stray 02-May-21 09:53 PM

there we go, a measure of vengeance

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 09:53 PM

Good luck! Its been a lot of fun, sorry it couldn't have gone on longer!

Dinnerbone 02-May-21 09:53 PM

you have 1 soul

Cleric Villager Good luck! Its been a lot of fun, sorry it couldn't have gone on longer!

Stray 02-May-21 09:54 PM

I'll see you in the afterlife, my dear. Here's to chaos; may it reign evermore.

Cleric Villager 02-May-21 09:55 PM

I'll certainly drink to that

Stray 02-May-21 10:32 PM

i believe i now have 2 souls (edited)

Dinnerbone 02-May-21 10:38 PM

now you have 2 yes

Stray 03-May-21 11:04 AM

Current Theory: CS is alive, Des, Leila, and another runner claim (maybe myself) were checked as runners, Des and Leila failed.

Stray 03-May-21 11:30 AM

N1: @Vex, @Armorer Villager, @Vindicator N2: @Fisherman Villager, @Fletcher Villager, @Iron Golem N3: @Spider, @Leatherworker Villager, @Hoglin

@Baby Villager

Stray 03-May-21 12:11 PM

Three kills. Wolves obviously went for Karah. Ethan was by myself. Federick was probably a priest or assassin kill, considering if I was wolf, my next target would have been Void.

This suggests that lone wolf has joined the pack, meaning either Bobloy or Vera was likely wolf.

Alternatively, the remaining lone wolf.

CALLED IT. CALLED KARAH BEING CHILD.

CROWD SEEKER CHECKED ME FUCK YEAH

goddd I don't want mayor

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE CHECKS AS WELL I AM KILLING THIS

Stray 03-May-21 12:38 PM

Poor CS. Checked the wrong runner claim to trust.

Stray 03-May-21 12:54 PM

WOLVES. YOU GO GIRLS!!!

This is somehow maybe the best way things could have gone for me.

Federick being "confirmed wolf" suggests Priest is the one still living.

Someone is definitely puppeting.

Stray 03-May-21 10:18 PM

If anyone is wondering why I wagered Mat instead of Void, when the result would likely be the same, it helps a) confirm Mat to me b) means that if Void does die later, at least I don't lose a soulless.

Stray 05-May-21 08:27 AM

void not answering me suggests he no longer trusts me

ok nvm maybe we good

Stray 05-May-21 12:13 PM

damn

I think I gave town too much of an edge