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Werewolves Bot B BOT 18-Apr-21 01:18 AM

@Cuqtuem Lojjz has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 2 @Cuqtuem Lojjz @NrN

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:19 AM

hey

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:27 AM

Hey nrn

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:31 AM

'MrM' without the C stuff (which is still confusing af)

So that reset kinda saved us from a shitshow

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:31 AM

Yeah

Now we get to be on the winning side of it

Lol

Whats ur timezone btw

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:32 AM

UK but I keep strange hours

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:32 AM

Oh

I noticed

Is it mrm as in mister m (edited)

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:34 AM

Yeah, something that stuck since a board I ran a long time ago lol

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:34 AM

Figured

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:34 AM

Although half our lot call me Mrrrrr for some strange reason I never gathered

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:34 AM

Im still surprised ethan was chef, definitely wasn't playing like a neutral

U know what chef does right

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:35 AM

Yes, I've been trying to get up to speed, host have been quite helpful

I had it read as a 3P killing role when the game started

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:35 AM

Yeah TS is very happy to explain things

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:36 AM

I understand the meta, slightly, about waiters and stuff now

Our team's waiter being inactive meant it never really came into play

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:36 AM

I dont see any reason for chef not to publicly claim anyways

Oh was anna the waiter?

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:37 AM

I'm guessing so, she was the only one not posting right?

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:37 AM

The wolf cub wow

Bad luck

Could have been one of the ones not in pack too i guess

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:37 AM

Kinda seems from how I read it that that wolf setup can really go either way

first couple of night actions really crucial, seems quite high variance

Cuqtuem Lojjz I dont see any reason for chef not to publicly claim anyways

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:38 AM

they might be pressured to reveal their waiters

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:38 AM

Yea wolves really cant make mistakes on who they kill

Oh?

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:39 AM

yeah and anna was waiter

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:39 AM

Im sure they know better than to say their waiters

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:39 AM

game I'm co-hosting on our server's about to turn day, need to check her results lol, brb

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:39 AM

they're also a "safe" target for less informed kills

but I mostly agree that revealing is probably the best option

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:40 AM

I guess, but it also usually saves them from dying lol

Esp since lone wolf dies for killing it, will save them from those kills

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:41 AM

oh yeah Lone Wolf can't even kill it

actually I just came up with a reason not to reveal

but I don't think I can say (its not related to this game but still)

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:42 AM

When i was chef a few games back, it was the one with a big pyro team

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:43 AM

I was inactive then

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:43 AM

I had to claim there to save myselt from powdered

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:43 AM

yeah seems like the best choice to reveal, especially if there's kills that don't know who the chef is

if there's only like wolves and pyros and you have a waiter in both teams it doesn't really matter

though then everyone already knows you

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:44 AM

Unless u have an inactive like anna

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 01:44 AM

yeah

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:44 AM

Always a risk of that

NrN 18-Apr-21 01:51 AM

Does seem like a rather multi-layered role, I would laugh if one of our server group got it though (barring a couple)

Some of these roles and mechanics are pretty simple / familiar, but the ones that are heavily cc based or have complex metas, could get messy quickly.

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 01:58 AM

Lol

Are u one of the more experienced in ur group

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:00 AM

Yeah

I've played a forum mafia variant for a few years, and host some

Only been playing on discord a few months after Orc brought me over to help, most of his server were quite new players, so I'm more used to a slower pace, but they'd say I was yeah. (edited)

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:12 AM

a lot of them are pretty decent though, depending on how fast they're getting up to speed

given its really hard to work out what's going on with the existing players though they're about the best places for me to start atm

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:14 AM

the existing players here?

Werewolves Bot B BOT 18-Apr-21 02:14 AM

Alive Players | Total: 28

- harperette (@hurqiritti)

- Topkinsme (@Taqkemsni)

- Mojo Jojo (@Nafa Fafa)

- RAPHAEL_4568 (@RUQHUIL_4568)

- Monastery Harry (@Namustirz Hurrz)

- VoidMist (@WaebNest)

- Leilaboo (@Lieludaa)

‍

- MatMeister (@NutNiestir)

- Bobloy (@Dadlaz)

️ - shitposting-hobbits-to-gallifrey (@shetqastemg-haddets-ta-gullejriz)

- Orctin (@Arctem)

- Prophet (@Qraqhit)

- Wyatt (@Vzutt)

- Captain Luffy (@Cuqtuem Lojjz)

- Mr. Turtle (@Nr. Tortli)

- anna7ner (@ummu7mir)

- Olenna (@Alimmu)

- Døra (@Børu)

- kruthers (@krothirs)

️ - Tony S (@Tamz S)

- Eveldore (@Iwilbari) ▪️ - Ethan. (@Ithum.)

- Le Héron (@Li Héram)

- Mhysa (@Nhzsu)

- MrM (@NrN)

- w1r3d (@v1r3b)

- hesper (@hesper) ✌️ - Jayanna (@Fuzummu) (edited)

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:14 AM

i can tell you about some if you want to know any specifics

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:16 AM

Ok, well Bob and Mojo I've seen slightly, Bob has a few tricks

idk, I don't really like metagaming players, but the cc thing does make it a bit different

Who're the most ticksy (as in experienced and active etc) I guess?

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:18 AM

active wise, probably ethan

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:19 AM

Ah ok I've talked mechanics with him on our server yeah (edited)

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:19 AM

is ticksy british slang

some of the more experienced players arent playing this game, which would be the game masters

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:20 AM

maybe, I'm Irish but I've been told I use random slang from random places

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:20 AM

and personally i like to think im pretty good as well

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:21 AM

I'd figured that already

I did appreciate answering all the questions I had before the reset though, it helped a lot

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:22 AM

the ones about the meta and stuff?

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:22 AM

Yeah, it gave me somewhere to start today when I had the time to actually read up

I got peer pressured into playing as I was going to sit out until I'd have time to

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:23 AM

are you busy irl?

my school just finished yesterday lol

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:24 AM

I am kinda intermittently with work and was last week

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:25 AM

oh yeah everyone in ur server is old

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:25 AM

When you know what's going on it's fine, but when you don't its hard to then get involved

lolol

Some of us are kinda

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:26 AM

im one of the older ones here

2000

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:26 AM

Ahh ok, yeah I'm twice that

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:27 AM

forty?!

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:27 AM

Some of ours are much young, its very varied, bit more heavily US and female than here though I'd guess

Yup

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:27 AM

forty years old???

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:28 AM

Don't

Lol

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:28 AM

ok i wont

im sure you get more than enough of that

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:28 AM

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:29 AM

yeah over here its mostly european

lots of british

actually every single one of the mods are european

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:32 AM

Ah ok, explains the sensible day/night times (though I can't use disc at work so meh to some of that)

My having a shitty sleep pattern is nothing to do with playing games with US/ AUS peopla all the time, no definitely not.

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:34 AM

when its been covid for this long

hard to even know what day it is sometimes

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:34 AM

truth

Ok, so having covered a little bit of the meta for wolves previously, and assuming we're both town this time...

What's the general sort of plays people would be tending to try to make depending on what type of role they had?

(obv not expecting each role, but just more generally?)

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:42 AM

hm

i do hope ur town this time lol

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:42 AM

Haha. I am as it happens

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:43 AM

well it is slightly harder now as flute players got buffed

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:43 AM

Yeah I saw that, 2 to 3.

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:43 AM

but there are some claims that certain wolves would do

such as priest for scared wolf

or a non killing role for sneaking wolf

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:45 AM

how often do people claim in the public thread rather than in cc's?

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:45 AM

not often, but usualy someone has to claim to become mayor

less public info helps town more, as you learned from last game

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:46 AM

Yup, seems that way

I was right about the bartender thing btw

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:47 AM

lol yeah thanks for that

although it didnt really make much of a difference anyways

as bartender died regardless

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:47 AM

nope lol

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:48 AM

i dont know much about orc, every time he played he got found out pretty quick

i mean one time he was butcher but then n1 he became undead

which basically means converted into vampires team

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:48 AM

Oh

I think I can imagine

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:49 AM

that was kinda crazy the vamps could only demonize two people N1 and they chose orc and me and then somehow we were the two people that got attacked

well I guess the wolves just did the most predictable thing

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:51 AM

lol yeah 3let really wanted u dead

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:51 AM

I mean I was the loudest person

even though I died N2 I was the 2nd most active person

(in like total messages)

can't really be mad there

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:52 AM

yeah sometimes you gotta know your limits in public channels

being overactive gets you killed

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:52 AM

well I wouldn't have minded dying

that was like my goal

I didn't mean to turn undead

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:53 AM

Orc's been playing (and hosting) our style for a long time, he's known for occasionally falling down "rabbit holes" though as a player

. Mhysa and I have made it real hard for him in our last couple of games lol,

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:53 AM

basically I wanted to talk a lot to gather a lot of info that somebody could get via my journal, and also as Journalist I would've been the smallest loss for town so by being loud I was helping the stronger town roles remain more hidden

Vampire & Undead are bad

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:53 AM

Basically sounds like our cult

Nobody likes becoming cult

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:54 AM

yeah i really hate vampire

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:54 AM

I'm really not a fan of changing roles past like N1

in that game it wasn't a huge deal because I joined vamp team N1 but it's still annoying

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:54 AM

because everything you worked towards made you lose in thee end

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:54 AM

Yeah I agree

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:55 AM

yeah if town had won Stein (the person who was the best town player) would've lost because he joined underworld team at the same time as dying

that's just stupid

NrN 18-Apr-21 02:55 AM

If it is voluntary / in the role from the start ok, but when it happens late game and you're the thing you've been opposing all game, meh

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:55 AM

thats why as town i always go for vamp first lol

theyre too big of a threat

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:56 AM

don't think I'll use Vampire in season games that I host probably

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:56 AM

ill never use it

except for maybe some mini ones

like really mini

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:57 AM

I use it in offseason and mini

but it's definitely my least favorite Solo

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:58 AM

even more than reaper and ice king?

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:58 AM

I don't hate Ice King

Ice King is just bad

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:58 AM

reapers kinda meh, it has cool powers but doesnt have much that allows it to achieve its wincon

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:58 AM

Reaper still really confuses me

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:59 AM

in a different server, reaper would be a town role lol

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 02:59 AM

thanks for the reminder that reaper exists

https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/issues/138

Rework Reaper · Issue #138 · McTsts/Werewolves-Roles

can we like rework this one? it barely makes sense

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 02:59 AM

or i guess mafia role

theres one called necromancer thats basically reaper

ill write a comment

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:00 AM

I don't understand how Reaper is supposed to work with like most roles

like okay Fortune Teller or something makes sense

but there's so many roles that don't really make sense

okay sorry I didn't mean to occupy your CC with solo role trash talk

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:02 AM

haha no it's fine, just looking reaper up that is a bit confusing

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:02 AM

yeah its fine

its a way of teaching him the other solos

is reaper a limited role? i know it used to be

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:03 AM

yeah it is

I think it was approved at some point iirc?

I wasn't really active here during the time that Reaper appeared

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:03 AM

sp

Werewolves Bot B BOT 18-Apr-21 03:03 AM

Solo Power Flute Player Flute Apprentice Ice King Ice Queen Plaguebearer Reaper Vampire

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

i have never once seen ice queen btw

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

it's not ready to be used

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

The Ice King, oh what

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

unfinished?

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

Ice King and Ice Queen are my creation and imo neither is ready to be used

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

ice king basically steals peoples votes if they correctly guess someones role

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

for some reason IK got approved while I wasn't active but I'm not sure why

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:04 AM

but thats all they can do, just steal votes

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:05 AM

the "good" solos are Devil, Flute Player, White Werewolf and Pyromancer

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:05 AM

so wincon is to freeze everyone?

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:05 AM

yeah

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:05 AM

So they basically have to guess everyone's role

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

but they have absolutely no chance of guessing the wolf roles right like ever

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

but 5 at a time, all correctly

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

whats fpa

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

flute apprentice?

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

i thought that was fap lol

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:06 AM

FPA is flute apprentice because that's short for Flute Player Apprentice

we'd use FA but that's already a role

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

i was reading this and it doesnt make sense to me "If an enchanted Barber targets a FPA, what happens? The FPA's target is killed and it is announced that the Butcher killed them?"

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

poor Heron was that last game I think

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

I meant Barber instead of Butcher there

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

not surprised she didn't know what to do lol

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

i never got to see the old role lisst

bad timezone stuff for me

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

I can send it

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:07 AM

6am

that would be nice

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:08 AM

just let me quadruple check its not this one

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:08 AM

yes please do

NrN 18-Apr-21 03:08 AM

reeeeeeeeeeeeset!

that would be awful

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:09 AM

oh i didnt see the fpa buff

that it can redirect stuff

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:09 AM

I dont think I've ever caused a game reset before today

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:10 AM

sometimes ive actually stayed up to 6am so i could see the phase change

did flutes foreget to enchant n2

Cuqtuem Lojjz that it can redirect stuff

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:11 AM

yeah it's a pretty huge buff for FPA

Cuqtuem Lojjz did flutes foreget to enchant n2

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:12 AM

no, but they did right at phase change

I hadn't updated the sheet and gamelog yet

I woke up just before phase change so I was already late with storytime

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:12 AM

oh

yeah i could never be a solo host here because of my timezone

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 03:13 AM

I dont think we do solo hosts

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 03:14 AM

lol on weekends im barely awake at 12 sometimes (edited)

Thi Nari Riul Ts 18-Apr-21 10:41 AM

we don't do solo hosts, there's always a second host or backup

i wasn't at phase change yesterday because i was at work

my break ended right at phase change

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:11 PM

Hey

So I've been trying to be productively busy today

I thought it best to be a careful, but I'm pretty confident you're not a wolf playing me now

I kinda like, know a few townies now, and a scum or two too

lemme know if you want to compare notes

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:27 PM

nice

i dont have much tbh

Thi Nari Riul Ts we don't do solo hosts, there's always a second host or backup

ustruqheleuc 18-Apr-21 10:27 PM

you say that and yet

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:27 PM

i was laying low to avoid infected wolf last night

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:28 PM

Makes sense

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:28 PM

and today i woke up super late

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:28 PM

Orctin's been causing chaos all day lol

But he has, it seems, gotten claims out of quite a few people

Like 3 Huntresses

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:29 PM

oh wow

did u claim back to them

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:29 PM

I've not claimed to him no, he was throwing too much info about

I have claimed to the bartender and a baker

ustruqheleuc you say that and yet

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 10:30 PM

have we done it?

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:30 PM

ohh u know who they are? can u tell me so i can claim to them

Taor Goebi Ts have we done it?

ustruqheleuc 18-Apr-21 10:30 PM

yeah, i've solo hosted before

Taor Goebi Ts 18-Apr-21 10:31 PM

must've been while I was gone probably (lets not talk about this in this cc anymore tho) (edited)

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:31 PM

Yeah I do.

Prophet is the bartender

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:31 PM

ok

ill go claim to him

Werewolves Bot B BOT 18-Apr-21 10:32 PM

✅ Created #phrophet!

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:33 PM

He's in Aus btw so upsidedown hours

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:34 PM

oh

sad

he has the europe role though

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:34 PM

Originally uk

We've been chatting since this morning

ustruqheleuc you say that and yet

Thi Nari Riul Ts 18-Apr-21 10:35 PM

what

1

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:35 PM

oh wow

ustruqheleuc 18-Apr-21 10:35 PM

i've solo hosted before

1

did neither of you know?

1

Thi Nari Riul Ts 18-Apr-21 10:35 PM

huh

1

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:38 PM

So I know you're not a wolf. And I know Olenna is btw. That's my claim

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:42 PM

huntsman?

oh ok

im priest

i can kill olenna for you then

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:42 PM

Well that worked out well

do you want to jump in the cc I have with prophet & Dora (baker from our group)?

all the stuff Orc's been saying etc is reposted in there (edited)

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:46 PM

uhh idk if i want too many people to know who i am rn

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:46 PM

ok, fair enough

Orc isn't in there btw, no chance he's been far too scattergun

still not sure I trust him

Or even if I do, that he's not gonna cause more harm than good by accident

Cuqtuem Lojjz 18-Apr-21 10:48 PM

u can tell baker who i am i guess

but no one else (edited)

NrN 18-Apr-21 10:49 PM

of course