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Werewolves Bot B BOT 28-Mar-21 09:17 PM
@Lord of Easter has created a new CC! CC Members | Total: 7 @Kruthers the Doubter @Leilabunny @EasTser @Lord of Easter @Judas Iscariot @PastelMeister @The Father
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Lord of Easter 28-Mar-21 09:17 PM
welcome, fellow elders
here we discuss matters of import
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 09:18 PM
hello
what are we importing
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Lord of Easter 28-Mar-21 09:19 PM
oh, mostly bunnies, we really need to stop working them to death
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 09:19 PM
I see
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Leilabunny 28-Mar-21 09:19 PM
hewwoo
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Lord of Easter 28-Mar-21 09:20 PM
I hope the workload isn't too much, Miss Bunny?
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Leilabunny 28-Mar-21 09:22 PM
all good
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Lord of Easter 28-Mar-21 09:22 PM
Excellent!
I could only wish all other bunnies in my employ were capable of this much work
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 09:27 PM
Fortunately, at least the Butchers will be able to sell the rabbits that have died due to these gruesome practises. Speaking about Butchers, is there anyone here who's profession is Butcher?
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PastelMeister 28-Mar-21 09:42 PM
Import? Sadly, the canal is blocked (funny)
Has not a single person come forward?
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Judas Iscariot 28-Mar-21 10:29 PM
why are we elders
is this like a 16 and over club
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:29 PM
This is a gathering of the eldest of players.
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Judas Iscariot 28-Mar-21 10:29 PM
im in the boomer committee 😔 😭
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:29 PM
Indeed.
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Judas Iscariot 28-Mar-21 10:29 PM
ok
so
which child are we sacrificing
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:31 PM
The first one that uses the words "ok boomer", of course.
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The Father 28-Mar-21 10:32 PM
wait why are we importing bunnies
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Bastard Friday 28-Mar-21 10:33 PM
ok boomers
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The Father 28-Mar-21 10:33 PM
sup
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Kruthers the Doubter 28-Mar-21 10:33 PM
im confused as well
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Bastard Friday 28-Mar-21 10:33 PM
y'all're my favourite boomers dw
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Kruthers the Doubter 28-Mar-21 10:34 PM
dennis is the most boomer here
Avatar Bastard Friday ok boomers
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:34 PM
You did not quite meet the criteria this council requires for their sacrifices. Fortunately, you did add the letter 'S'.
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Bastard Friday 28-Mar-21 10:34 PM
see that was my excellent plan
Avatar The Father wait why are we importing bunnies
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:35 PM
From what I have gathered, it seems to be, because the Lord of Easter is working them to death.
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Judas Iscariot 28-Mar-21 10:40 PM
orctin is an elder too (edited)
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EasTser 28-Mar-21 10:41 PM
This council is for those who have graced this server with their presence for a long time, and not those that are simply of an old age.
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Judas Iscariot 28-Mar-21 10:41 PM
😶 oh, wait woah
i never realised it
i couldve sworn wyatt was here before me
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The Father 29-Mar-21 12:13 AM
I don't remember who else was here
Except psy but he's not paying
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PastelMeister 29-Mar-21 12:25 AM
Wyatt really has been around for looooong
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-Mar-21 12:46 AM
✅ Added @Steineastor to the CC!
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 12:46 AM
Welcome to the elders!
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 12:49 AM
oioi
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PastelMeister 29-Mar-21 01:00 AM
Rip leila darn
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:18 AM
Well hello
Avatar EasTser From what I have gathered, it seems to be, because the Lord of Easter is working them to death.
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:20 AM
And unfortunately, despite her claims to the contrary, Miss Leila Bunny felt death was preferable to the work, the constant work 😔
We now have no more bunnies it seems
Avatar Judas Iscariot i couldve sworn wyatt was here before me
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:21 AM
Oh I thought I added Wyatt
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-Mar-21 08:21 AM
✅ Added @Little Spring Flower to the CC!
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:21 AM
My apologies, good sir, it seems I accidentally missed you
Avatar Steineastor oioi
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:23 AM
Hello there, I believe you are standing in for our last bunny? Does that mean you shall work on my estate - without pay of course - to compensate for the death of Miss Bunny?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 09:04 AM
Well as you can see at this time of moment I am just a Tourist in these lands
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 09:20 AM
That is sad, very sad
My estate will be ruined without any unpaid workers
Perhaps you would like to intern?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 09:20 AM
You do still have a bunny
I think I'm gonna pass for now
As being a bunny seems to be a not so wise career decision
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 10:07 AM
now i got an easter name
but its a definite no on the bunny questionnow
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The Father 29-Mar-21 10:10 AM
OH
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 10:10 AM
hi dennis
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The Father 29-Mar-21 10:10 AM
i completely missed that bunny is related to easter
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 10:10 AM
LMAO
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The Father 29-Mar-21 10:10 AM
big brain
i also hadnt realized easter is soon
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 10:11 AM
Giga Brain Dennis strikes again
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The Father 29-Mar-21 10:11 AM
it's still early 😔
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 10:11 AM
even i am awake at this time
but yeah
so how are ya'll doing
Avatar Steineastor You do still have a bunny
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 10:25 AM
Captain Bunny isn't a worker, more of an overseer of other bunnies 😔 looks like i'll have to force him to work too
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 12:09 PM
I'd recommend not working more people to death.
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Judas Iscariot 29-Mar-21 12:15 PM
Didnt your lawyer tell u not to say that
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 12:15 PM
his lawyer was leila
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 12:34 PM
Lawyer? Law? I believe you are new here, son? There is no law in these lands
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Judas Iscariot 29-Mar-21 01:44 PM
Then i shall make some
LoG you are
Now declared illegal
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 01:56 PM
I AM the law in these lands
I am the Lord of Easter!
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 01:58 PM
time to emigrate to some place with laws
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 01:59 PM
Lol
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 01:59 PM
Unfortunately, that is not feasible for you
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 01:59 PM
I am just a stone from the east
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 02:01 PM
Well, that makes it impossible for you to move out of these lands on your own
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The Father 29-Mar-21 02:01 PM
are you like one of those easter island statues
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 02:04 PM
Lol
I can be moved
Just need a storm or a tsunami
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 02:04 PM
Neither of which seem likely as of now
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 02:05 PM
Never say never
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 02:05 PM
Ah, of course, emigrating via a tsunami, the superior method of emigrating. 👍
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 02:06 PM
The very best
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 02:07 PM
Indeed
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 02:11 PM
Or the british take me and put me in a museum
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:08 PM
I just realised I just replaced someone who's very first game was the same as mine
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:09 PM
Interesting
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:09 PM
S3G3
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:10 PM
wow s3g3 was your first game
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:10 PM
Wow, S3 people are already considered elders?
Are there that few S1/S2 people left?
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:11 PM
i dont remember which one was my first but it was end of season 2 i think then the old discord went to shit (edited)
because i think the old one was fine until the start of season 3 when it all just fell apart
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:12 PM
Most of the mods v Ts and Mark
Ts and Mark prevailed
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:12 PM
?
1 mod vs all other mods you mean
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:12 PM
All v Randium
?
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:12 PM
ye
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:12 PM
no Randium wasn't a mod
some other guy was
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
Soulless then
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
oh yeah that guy
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
i dont remember who but the 1 was the owner and you all just left and created this one
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
I think Vyryn didn't take a side and everyone but Soulless was against Soulless
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
Randium was owner
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
Soulless was owner, but Randium was founder
but Randium had retired
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
Ah
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:13 PM
At some point Randium become owner again during all of that
iirc
Avatar Kruthers the Doubter i dont remember who but the 1 was the owner and you all just left and created this one
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:14 PM
we got banned
Avatar EasTser Are there that few S1/S2 people left?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:14 PM
i believe only 3 people from S2 remain now?
Avatar EasTser we got banned
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:14 PM
they banned/kicked all the GMs
Avatar Lord of Easter i believe only 3 people from S2 remain now?
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:14 PM
who's the third?
oh raf?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
yea
and Wyatt was in S2 too actually
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
if anyone is in the old server can you check which games i was in, i cant remember if it was season 3 start or season 2 end i joined
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
so 4
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
Kruthers also was s2
End s2
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
wait I thought you said S1
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
wait oh
hmm
originally it was S1 only
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
you and me were in S1G2 and raf in S1G3 I think
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
then i expanded to S2
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:15 PM
Just make it the red server now
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:16 PM
Now I went up to S3 coz I only found 4 peeps
turns out there might be more after all
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:16 PM
dont think we can access the gamelogs for the games that werent on this discord
i think we still have them though
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Kruthers the Doubter 29-Mar-21 07:16 PM
i thought i played end of s2 (edited)
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:16 PM
even if they're barely logs
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
PsychoBelp is s2 also
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
not playing
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
I can access their logs in red still
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
when did jayanna join? S3 IIRC, but maybe she was there in S2 too?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
Eventhough they arent good
Avatar Steineastor I can access their logs in red still
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:17 PM
pretty sure we have copies of them but GM only
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:18 PM
And was dennis around in S2?
hmm
i can't remember actually
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:18 PM
Jayanna is s3g3 start
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:18 PM
and the season badges have vanished afaik, only medals remain
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:18 PM
what happened to them anyway
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:19 PM
no idea
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:19 PM
Idk
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:19 PM
ig someone removed them coz there were too many roles
but now that kinda messes up the record
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:19 PM
could just rename them S1 etc which makes it very short
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:19 PM
Hows the general ranking sheets going log?
You are still one if the 2 doing that iirc
You and Dragon
You 2 just switched positions
With dragon being the main man and you 2and in command
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
I hardly do anything anymore Although if he ever needs me, he can ping and i'll be around
Avatar EasTser oh raf?
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PastelMeister 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
pensivegayblob
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
I do still have access to the sheet though
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
Idk if dragon remembers that he is the one who has to do it now
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
You know, maybe it's time to revamp everything
Avatar Steineastor Hows the general ranking sheets going log?
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
what?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:21 PM
Get rid of all the old stuff
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:22 PM
what's the difference from that to normal rating?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:22 PM
Just compress it all into a single rank, and restart from season 1 once again
Avatar EasTser what's the difference from that to normal rating?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:22 PM
the general ranking is what vyryn made up, then i took over and then dragon
it died sometime towards the end of last season IIRC
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:23 PM
is there something wrong with using general rating from the rating sheet?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:23 PM
I think we probs switched to that either way without knowing ngl
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:25 PM
anyways, as i was saying, maybe it's tie to do a proper revamp now, make this the last season, and get rid of all the old info if needed I'll come up with some ranking for everyone based on all six seasons, a single rank per person, a single badge - something like WW Alpha Gold, WW Alpha Silver blah blah And then use the new ranking method Ts came up with for all future games, along with a general rating (based on that) (edited)
the current system is a bit of a mess
as it tries to somehow take into account all the older games - which have a lot of missing data - and yet also take into account the newer season data - which have the revamped season rankings
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:26 PM
my system only does s3+
which has almost all the data and is mostly using revamped rules
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:26 PM
not even s3 IIRC? S3 didn't have full data IIRC
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:26 PM
since we made those after s2g8 had ended
it's only missing a few deaths in s3g1
s3g2 is where I started using the logging method we mostly still use
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:27 PM
ah i see
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:27 PM
we can just rename s3 to s1, s4 to s2, etc
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:29 PM
true
that is possible too
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:30 PM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IVgVdjChyEnbiGS6LJrgVmtfaZLPnj2NouJPSy-Em0s/edit#gid=0 I've set the sheet to s3-s5 total points, with ranks relative to the average score
if anyone's interested
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:30 PM
hmm nice
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:30 PM
Should I then get the logs g1-g4 from red?
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:31 PM
what g1-g4
oh s3?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:31 PM
Yeah
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:31 PM
we have them as I said
in a GM only channel
#game-archive I think
can't see it, but i'm pretty sure they're there
that's what I used to add S3 to the rating sheet
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:32 PM
Didnt I send screenshots or so?
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:33 PM
maybe
I thought we had it
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:33 PM
vyryn used something a bit more elaborate than average though
i don't quite remember anymore
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:33 PM
yeah but we can implement that 😛
there's not much thought behind that rank because it's unused rn anyway
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:34 PM
but it was something like subtracting a certain amount per game
hmm
there's better methods than even that IMO
the problem with averages is that it ends up putting some really strange people at the top
peeps who have barely played any games
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:35 PM
for the one that does average points per game it requires 3 games
that's the ARPG rank
(average relative per game)
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:36 PM
but just using the total ends up giving too much advantage to playing too many games
wait
we can use
one sec
something along the lines of weighting by log or something
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:38 PM
So you decide
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:40 PM
yea a system like the one explained here https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-rating/
i can come up with some better constants ofc
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:40 PM
interesting
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:40 PM
and refine it a bit
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:40 PM
that calculation is too complicated to make sense of it in my head
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:41 PM
but overall, for people without many games this will lower their score significantly (or increase if they're below a suitably chosen cutoff), but if you have lots of games you won't be affected much
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:43 PM
I see
I mean you can copy the scores from the rating sheet and try around a bit
and then if you have something nice we can just use it there
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:44 PM
alright will do that
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:45 PM
cant really edit that stuff conveniently on there directly because the app script will fight back thonque
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:45 PM
lol
AAAA why is this sheet so slow
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:48 PM
Cause it feels like it
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:50 PM
so basically with what you sent the score gets halved and the more games you have the lower '2' will be, so less and less than half will be removed slowly
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:50 PM
my god, i cannot understand what is happening in this sheet I'm too bad at excel 🥲
yep
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:50 PM
I can try to implement that myself I guess
so -0.5, 2 and +1 would be values that should be changeable?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:51 PM
yea
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:51 PM
should I try to do it?
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
sure
BTW
how to get the number of games played by anyone
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
no
🙂
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
that is obviously a prerequisite
-_-
🥲
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
F
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
divide points by points per game (edited)
lmao
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
F
big F
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
that's what I do rn 😂
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
WOW
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:52 PM
F
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:53 PM
this new sheet is still as messy as the old one was 🥲
if not more
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:53 PM
is it?
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 07:53 PM
It's all games
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:54 PM
if we're actually using amount of games for something I can just add that
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:54 PM
well you would use amount of games in this clearly?
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 07:54 PM
yes
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 07:54 PM
there's no point using this formula for the season ratings anyways
too few games for them
only makes sense in the full version
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:25 PM
I think google sheets is struggling right now
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:26 PM
Probably Google in general
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:26 PM
seems to just be the ww sheet
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:26 PM
rip
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:27 PM
app script keeps timing out
Atteug is #1 now thonque
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:29 PM
LOO
L
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Werewolves Bot B BOT 29-Mar-21 08:29 PM
Lone Wolf | Werewolf Power Basics Each night, the Lone Wolf may attack one player. When the first member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf joins the wolfpack. Details The Lone Wolf doesn’t know the other werewolves, and starts off all alone, they are not a member of the wolfpack. Each night, they may kill one player on their own. If they kill someone who isn’t on the Townsfolk team or a Solo role, the Lone Wolf dies. When a member of the wolfpack dies, the Lone Wolf loses their powers and joins the wolfpack. Killing a player is an end night ability.
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:30 PM
(forgot a -)
did the exact implementation from the link and I don't think that affected much https://i.imgur.com/0qNQ47a.png
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Lord of Easter 29-Mar-21 08:31 PM
F
i'll look into this
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:31 PM
I mean it moved it around a bit
(federick above cdw, because federick has more games for example)
(and doing the same thing on the per game thing also places Leila as #1)
oh actually #2
just took a long time to load
https://i.imgur.com/jQOZnXh.png
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PastelMeister 29-Mar-21 08:38 PM
can you guys move to a different chat lol
or even DM
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:38 PM
ccs are limited 😔
wait
thonque
#non-gms exists
the channel for the rating stuff
totally remembered that existed mhm
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:39 PM
Nice I got no access for that
Pog
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:39 PM
what
lmao
guess it's GM, Bot Dev and Ranking Helper only
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:39 PM
Only got gm in game
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:40 PM
should probably include GM Ingame
Ill write in it
that it should probably allow gm ingame
There goes your chance to affect how the rating will go 😔
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:41 PM
Ratings are going brrr without me
Sad times
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EasTser 29-Mar-21 08:41 PM
I wrote that they should add gm ingame there
now you have #non-gms 🙂
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:42 PM
Thanks boo <3
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Easter Egg 29-Mar-21 08:55 PM
Now copy all this to there so it won’t be lost (:
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Steineastor 29-Mar-21 08:56 PM
I mean you will download the game
So it will never be lost
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Steineastor 30-Mar-21 12:17 PM
rest in peace Ts may you find a way to easter heaven
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Little Spring Flower 30-Mar-21 12:18 PM
Ripperino
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Lord of Easter 30-Mar-21 12:24 PM
RIP
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PastelMeister 30-Mar-21 12:25 PM
Isn't easter heaven just normal heaven
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Steineastor 30-Mar-21 12:26 PM
no
its constantly easter
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Judas Iscariot 30-Mar-21 01:11 PM
Theyre taking us down 😭
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