First

Oh, and er...

Awww, so close. 😏

I got first on my screen

If people wanna work on a bot, we need it, @everyone!

Wait, really?

I can't code so haha 👌

Same

Don't judge me on that because I'm also insecure 👌

I would if I could

Do you want me to resuggest my suggestion here randium?(edited)

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Allow me to send a screenshot @Randium just once to show I was first

Hahah sure.

See

Same here

He got first

Aw no! 😦

so uh

in regards to th bot

did we decide what language yet?

@everyone, this is the only channel where you're allowed to upload pictures/screenshots/external links.
Use it responsibly, please. Mainly for uploading pictures of suggestions and stuff.

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I'm afraid it has become C#, @BenTechy66.

Oh, let me reset all your nicknames. 😉

ew

c#

Do you want me to resuggest my suggestion in here randium?

its like C with lung cancer

I actually like all of the nicknames

What’s c#

Nuu I like my helicopter nickname

@souless_2nd got first

an awful programming language

HAAAA @Randium

getrekt

I FUCKIN WIN MATE

seems like it could be pretty OP

then again all that has to happen to kill them is a werewolf tells the innocents to kill em

I have an idea

unless I'm misunderstanding

🤔(edited)

The werewolves can kill them

Someone has a role but whoever finds out about their role instantly forgets it

But the werewolves don't have to kill them to win(edited)

@Game Master bot dev channel plz

you should vote on a language

I vote Python

same

@BenTechy66 can a bot create channels?

yes

🤔 Then something went wrong with my script

lets see it

Alright, so again my suggestions:

1) The roles of reporter and guardian shpuld have distinct colors from each other and mayor.

2) Each and every single role that is active in given season should be described in #how_to_play. Telling people to download pdf should not be mandatory, but could be a nice addition(edited)

👍

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ahhh

white theme

Oh. Multiple suggestions.

Could you put them in one message? 😬

sure

So I guess I'll remove the old one now

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A shop, to buy different things with your bloodpoints

@Game Master if we’ve hit the limit on channels make a new server and link this to that server

So we won’t have to delete this history

Yeah.

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Well, I'll slowly delete irrelevant channels.

I mean, look at channels like #deleted-channel. They don't need to be saved.

how dare you that has the most discussion yet

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I kind of wanted to 1. discuss Tanner role, he seems a bit powerful, and 2. tell that the white werewolf role is basically a defeat for the player with it; many players play several consecutive seasons, so everyone is experienced, and it's practically impossible to win with it. There always be someone to find werewolves first and defeat them, including the white one as well.(edited)

tanner?

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Everyone seems to think the tanner is overpowered. But believe me, I don't get the feeling it does.

tanner had 0 effect

what does it do

Most people that were disguised by @Legolas, were already known to be bad guys.

Indeed. And it might just have been an unlucky shot for the tanner, but the tanner wasn't that broken.

and the tanner cant work without knowing the werewolfs

Yes. I think that's a big thing that stops the tanner from being so overpowered.

The tanner doesn't know the werewolves, and it's incredibly hard to find them.

Actually, @Legolas had already approached four werewolves. Of course, neither of them confessed to be the werewolf, nor did @Legolas risk to reveal himself as the tanner.

yep

Which brings the tanner to a horrific scenario.

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In the best case, he can contact the werewolves once one werewolf dies.

But by then, it's often already too late. Most players leave traces behind, and the better investigators can then easily track the other werewolves.

Because what I haven't seen before, is people on the same team accusing each other.

For example, @souless_2nd attempted to keep @HurricanKai alive by telling the other cult members that @HurricanKai seemed trustworthy. Don't do that. It only raises suspicion towards you.

But he can always hide his role and 2 other people's. Every night

and how does it helps him if he disguises the vampire as inno?

Who should he disguise if he doesn't know who's who?

And if he just chose people randomly, what should he disguise them as?

You want to disguise innocents as werewolves, and werewolves as innocents. But disguising werewolves as innocents isn't that useful, nor will making innocents innocents help the least.

I was tagged

so what IS tanner good for in your opinion?

In my opinion? Hiding players.

In theory, it's a really deceptive and strong role.

But in reality, it's not that effective. It seldom happens that the fortune teller and the tanner choose the same player.

But the tanner may still hide at the very least himself as regular innocent for all the time

@Randium is it possible on the first day of the next one and make a cc called grand theft tavern and add me and @HurricanKai and @CommandLord aka illio

@HurricanKai is Cain right ?

not quite sure how the S3's Tanner managed to die (or rather be discovered), can't read CCs now(edited)

We won't start a new game until we have a bot that at least is able to create and manage conspiracy channels. So if you wish to have such a conspiracy channel, be my guest!

In the optimal scenario, I could even join myself next game, and let @Buddy1913 and @Regicide1218 do all the work. I'd love to play a game or two with you guys! 😃

That’s would be interesting

Or have 3 new game masters so y’all could swap every game

@Buddy1913 doesn't have the interest to play, I think.

Then 2 game masters to swap every season

Well, who eher is maintaining the bot may not play too. As the bot has to store roles&players.

@CommandLord aka illio and @HurricanKai get ready for grand theft tavern next season

@Game Master have yall ever thought of changing a time period or is that to hard to change

Woud be unfair

What would

We can only shift it.

Welp

@HurricanKai u were Cain right

Yeah

We should have a fourth member for grand theft tavern

Hmm

@Randium if ur playing u want to join(edited)

Or should he have someone else

Crap cant remember how to rename

You can’t have a nickname on the server

But you can go to ur profile and change it there

suggestion: kill the players who don't say or do anything for 3 days like you said you would for s3. cough this guy cough

or better yet,

I know with a bot the creation of CC's will no longer be an issue, but what about limiting the total number of CC's a player can make? Realistically, a person cannot have 10 secret conversations simultaniously... I would suggest limiting it to creating 1 or 2 CC's each day, or maybe a total of 5-6 or something. Make players really think about who they ally with? Idk... What does everyone else think?

if you want to limit CCS, let us close/end them too.

we need to get rid of the idea of storing all the chats

Agreed, at this rate we will be opening a new server every other season just to keep a record. I mean, are new players going to really take the time to read the history of every past game? I mean, we can keep them to use as a reference. For example: See s1 for what happens when Cupid chooses a wolf... but once we reach server limit the older ones should be deleted and use the previous season as a reference if need be

Exactly. I'm already busy deleting the less relevant channels of all seasons.

We could make a new server for every season to keep everything more organized and make one main server to sign up and join the old servers . You only get the a invite to a new season after you signed up. This would sort out some inactive people.

I think it would be better to keep everything on one server instead of always making a new server. If people want a history of the games, I would suggest keeping all the public and secret role channels but deleting the conspiracy channels. There are hundreds of CC's and most of them are completely useless

#deleted-channel is a good example of wasted space...

i think its enough if we woud store gamelogs. we dont realy need to see every conversation....

Maybe the storytime channel if people want to read the storyline. That could be interesting to some as well. But yeah, there are too many conversations to read. I'm currently reading the short ones but the long ones I'm just skipping to the end to unhighlight it lol

Personally I think we should simply not store the older games once new ones start

Maybe someone can write a condensed version of what happened in the game, but that needs a volunteer.

i thought about how the game can be more fun for the dead, just like the nightly tavern visit, and i woud suggest adding an beting (?) system on who is going to die / turn etc, i think in the end thats useless, but mid-game it coud be interresting.

:)

Interesting, what would their prize be if they win?

the bot could add all the messages in his database, so whenever Randium wants to look something up, he can check the database

i propose a new role. "demon." they look innocent while alive, but when killed, they get moved to a secret channel and can kill one person who either voted for them to die, or killed them. they don't know who is what, all they know is that they are dead and that one of those people had them killed.

Could also add a character like, when you die you are showen as dead for one whole day and cant chat or anything, the day after, you become alive again since you never actually died. You will not have access to graveyard while acting dead(edited)

Hmm. Interesting

I like the demon idea

Like a delayed huntress(edited)

Can you chat while beeing demon?

if so its a bit op

no you can't

then its ok

but nothing better then a Huntress, just you know where you shoot#

yeah#(edited)

Maybe a necromancer who can ask one yes/no question to one of the ghosts everyday?

Or even better

The necromancer can ask one yes/no question to the ghosts,and the ghosts can vote on yes or no.(edited)

How's that?

Hmm.

The idea could have a few changes

The thing about deleting conspiracy channels is that some of them are actually really important to what happened

For example

Harry's alliance

Was a conspiracy I made

That was pretty important

And yes I know I'm late to the party

For one, to keep a necromancer alive till the end, allow the things -
A) Necromancer is an extra role, and is assigned randomly at the start on top of original role, a bit like lover.
B) When Necromancer dies, they can choose a successor, who will then the new necromancer and so on.

This will allow the graveyard to be interesting till the end

hmm and trolly

Because this happened,

I propose a system for sharing screenshots

Since screenshots can be faked after all

hmmmm

What if, if you wanna share a screen shot, you can send it to a game master, then they post it where you want, if they approve?(edited)

too much work

No

I had to type out like four paragraphs directly copying from a screen shot

Screenshots are hard to fake

Well, your problem

That sounds like to much work

lol

Why did you type it out????

#s3_cc_harrys-alliance

You can copy the text easily - discord on mobile allows you to copy text

For example-
For one, to keep a necromancer alive till the end, allow the things -
A) Necromancer is an extra role, and is assigned randomly at the start on top of original role, a bit like lover.
B) When Necromancer dies, they can choose a successor, who will then the new necromancer and so on.

but not from an image\

🤦(edited)

All I had was the screen shot though

And nothing else

And why is it that you only had the screenshot?

I didn't have the text

Look through #s3_cc_harrys-alliance

B) OP AF DUDE WTF (Allows nice Outplays)
A) DUDE WTF OP AF (Lover overrides things, please dont make me needed to introduce Sub-Roles)

why put an nice list with a) b) c) d)
if you can put c) b) a) d)

@Lord of Galaxy

Too many abbreviations

Google Translate....

Would you mind explaining in normal English?

oh, ok, yeah, uuuh, well, uuuh, just only read that in ()

Oh well

Just one problem

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If Necromancer is not a sub role, we have two problems -
A) It simply cannot be passed on, ask me if I need to elaborate why
B) The role will be permanently stuck with either innocents or werewolves.

No neither

Cause then we can handle it like an status effect

an Role any kind of it, has effects on the Winning condition

Well then

What was your problem with my original suggestion then?

A) Necromancer is an extra role, and is assigned randomly at the start on top of original role, a bit like lover.//Thought this woud be Bound to one side

we coud also make it an full role, without passing

and have an priest, and an idk

Whats an evil Priest?

No, it won't be bound to one side

i know

but maybe that woud be good

The win condition for the necromancer is same as if they weren't a necromancer

No

i know i know, just thought that woud be good

I want the necromancer to be passable role

So that if the side that has the necromancer messes up, the necromancer role passes to someone from the other side.

hmm...

@Randium please call @Mom Isaac next game :D

that woud be so ironic

Or call him dad

What I'm mom

HAHAH

A

Y'all grounded

:(((

jj

*jk

In the game we get new names

Ik

If we're including Guardian for S4, make it so it can only protect someone from getting lynched once every 2 - 3 days(edited)

@WhyThough - The best username® werewolves is based on mafia and in mafia the "guardian" can protect one person every night. So that's how it should be.

Actually, @BlendedSpider, the game wasn't inspired by Mafia. Actually, Mafia and this game have both been inspired on a third game. 🤗

haha get bamboozled

Based off one night ultimate werewolf right?

Town of Salem?

Game or real thing @Regicide1218

game

Game was based off of mafia

What game @Randium ? And I think mafia is just another name for the other game, they essentially the same thing though.

Werewolves, Mafia, Salem.... different names for different versions of the same game basically

Roles are pretty much the same as well, just have different names. But all it takes is one good original idea and soon there will be many different versions of it.

yeah

Reminds me of star trek, and how there are so many different versions of it now I can't even keep track lol

mhm

like there are alot of ripoffs of star wars and startrek

Yep

and some may even argue that star wars is a ripoff of startrek

As for this game though, I'm not really sure which game came first to claim the title of the original version

No way

Um hi

Star wars and star trek are completely different

Both are great series, I cannot see either one being a rip off of the other

star trek is much much older 60s I think

my dad grew up with it and doctor who

Idk, it was popular when I was a little child, and I'm 35, so it's pretty old in my eyes lol

yeah I'm 16 soooo

im not super old so idk how to talk now

lol

As a kid, I watched the "next generation"

Hmm interesting

i have watched a few episodes of the orignal startrek and doctor who shows though

from the 60s

Then there was deep space 9, Babylon, and I stopped keeping track after that lol(edited)

yeah I Watchem with my dad he is like 54ish

this is way off topic now XD

ik

lol 54-ish

sorry

Lol true

you dont know how old your dad is

XD

Idk tbh lmao I'm a crappy son

lol

I'm positive tho

ST:ENT dude

Best startrek I've watched so far

Standard testing ear nose and throat?

Still got DS9, TNG and Voyager

TNG was my jam

Then moving. Onto BSG

Not sure where to go from there

But right now I'm watching the crown

@Buddy1913 I have to agree about enterprise, best star trek show I've seen. A shame it ended so ubruptly, though they did manage to get an actual conclusion episode in, which is more than you can say about most cancelled shows.

THEY NEVER SHOWED ARCHER'S SPEECH!!! THEY BIGGED IT UP FOR TWO WHOLE DAMN SEASONS AND THEN NEVER SHOWED IT.(edited)

Riker could have left the deck and then let us hear the in essence founding speech of the federation

That @Vyryn is my only problem with enterprise

I love how they were simple. You could tell it was all new and experimental. The stations and layout though were familiar in that they were also TOS in layout. And by thay it's not a massive jump from go from ENT to TOS like it is TOS to TNG(edited)

And it solidifys the humans place in what will become the federation. That funny pink skinned glue that somehow managed to get the Vulcans and Andorians to not only stop fighting but work to bleeding gether.

To name one example

yep.... if i remember correctly he steps up to the podium and credits roll, right?

Yup

A total blue ball.

but the three or so episodes before it, the alternate universe ones... some of my favorites. all the characters we grew attached to, all becoming total villains all at once

The TE episodes?

Yea they were a bit jarring but workable

Though S4 felt very much like a forced season

well the showrunners new it was the end

Indeed

But also S3 was a high bar

They could have got away with that being the end

Anyway.

My two cents.

👍

I remember some people requesting a circular logo. What do you think of this?

Looks gud

Did you draw that randium?

I'm not randium, and yes I did

Oh my bad XD and that's awesome! 👌 you got skills!

It's not that hard. imagine what you want to draw, then do the opposite. the only part drawn is the outline, not the actual wolf.

Ik how you did it, I would fail at the outline though

And the circle

I'm planning on drawing it on a much larger scale, and using it as my general mark.

Sounds cul

Cule

Trying to spell it every way accept the correct one

Col

Cole

I think Cule is as close as it gets

kool

Yeah that's better

lol

Lol

Heh. How'd that happen? 😏

I guess that's LaTeX doing weird. I could fix that. 😛

Too late. It has been memed

Lol

INHOUDSOPGAVE AHAHAHHAHA so funny oml wow hahaha

oh no

@Game Master when will s4 start

I'm still writing up the story to pitch to Randium. But we plan to start closer to the 25th.

So we might start on Christmas?

We may, no matter how many of us are ready, the decision to start is up to Randium.

As far as i can tell he said that he wont start without an atleast semi-functional Bot.

I am now a hussar

Hmm\

Yeah. I'm afraid we're gonna have a big group of around 60 next game (especially if people incite their friends). I'd love that, bit i won't be able to do all that manually.

expect people to stay afk during christmas tho

Yeah, that's why I don't like it to start at that time.

I'd preferably start a little earlier, maybe on the Friday before. 🤔

hmm, its 11 days till theb

in 3-6 we shoud be ready

That's great!

So @Game Master my serious balancing suggestions:
1) Let the tanner hide themselves only every other night. Repeatedly hide others, fine. 3 people each night? I still think it's a bit op but fine. But not themselves every night, please.

2) Flute player should be able to enchant 3 people each night. This past season the flute player played nearly optimally and still got routed out real quick as soon as they became a nuissance.
An alternative to the above suggestion is to make enchanted player's votes count for 0.5 votes each in the lynching, and I think this might be quite interesting. On the other hand, it would make the flute player a nuissance much earlier, and might end up working against them.

3) Curse caster should only be told if their target is a cursed civilian after their curse, not if they were an innocent before. Curse caster should also only work on "pure vanilla" innocents- those who started the game as innocents, as opposed to started as something like the barber and later became an innocent

4) Give the Barber and White Wolf a quick strategy lesson in their intro, so they know what they are getting into. The white wolf should understand that killing a wolf every time they can isn't always (and in fact very often isn't) a good idea for them. The Barber should understand that they probably shouldn't just go off a hunch, as they really don't want to kill a powerful innocent. Newbie cult members - and if the assassin is implimented them too - would also benifit from a quick strategy lesson.

5) Undead should die if the vamp dies. Maybe to somewhat counter this you can also give the vamp the runner ability, but I think they are already pretty powerful even if the undead die when they do.

6) Gaurdian could do with a buff. Maybe they should be able to choose two people to protect each lynching, or maybe they can choose the same person two nights in a row.

7) Please for the love of your god, fix the blood point system. Come up with something more fair like @Randium 's suggested daily tasks, these, if they exist at all, need to be much less subjective.

8) Don't use a cc request channel. Even with read message history denied, members can still use certain techniques to for the most part see messages in this channel.

^pin? there's got to be something you agree with somewhere there.

@Vyryn the thing you are suggesting about the curse caster, do you mean with vanilla that they've always been an inno, or just without additions like baker? Because the second one isnalready the case :)

hi

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Vyryn, the blood points were randium's idea in the first place.

2, 6 and 7 are the points I disagree with. The rest are fine.

1. thats what makes the tanner strong. he has to hide himself and play the real role away, so no one will notice.

2. true.

3. No. a) its too powerfull. b) there are so many special roles. an "Innocent" shoud reffer to the Innocent team.

4. No. its an strategy game. you dont come into chess and are told tactics. you learn how stuff work, you will figure the rest out. (these arent complicated roles in my opinion.)

5. yes.

6. if they are chosen before lynch, ok(edited)

7. hmm, maybe, maybe as an addition every day something random like "xy has to die, 3 points."

=> im still for mini games ;D

8. will be removed in next season

@RafMeister I mean innos like the barber and angel, who become "Innocent" role, should still be un-curseable, so there are fewer potential innocents to curse. Only the starting ones, (in the case of s3 there were 4)

seems to be a little bit unfair though

@HurricanKai
1) 🤦
3) yes it's too powerful - this is a slight nerf, not a buff.
4) for these roles it's important for them to consider their actions. Just look at the white wolf for S3 - sowed their own distruction by killing wolves early on. If they hadn't done so - and certain other wolves had played a little more inteligably - the wolf team would have had just as much chance of winning as the undead and the innos - which is what we want for a balanced game.
6) of course choosen before the lynch
7) yes

@WhyThough - The best username® why is it unfair?

It seems that the ones who can't do anything can be targetted and not the others that can actually do something, so that means the only way the werewolf team will be benefitted is by another member in the team, and even then it'll be hard to find the ones who start as innocent.(edited)

@Vyryn, if I added a werewolf role that would be seen as an innocent to the fortune teller, would that be too overpowered?

uhh

I don't think it would necessarally, is it a normal wolf who's only special thing is that they can't be seen? Maybe it could be a voted role amongst the wolves team

Cool thought

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.

!

Exactly lego

Did regi share his design for the new logo?

no

Ah ok

but the logo is fine lol

it's werewolf

game logo

This was the sketch

lol.i know that picture

shrugs

yep

exactly

?

I don't know it form any where

lol it's pretty known

Can you give me an example as I really don't recall seeing it.

A big discord person had it as it's profile pic

That doesn't help me

you asked for ir

it

Ugh never mind if I'm not going to get a straight answer

yep

lol

I honestly don't know what you want to hear

I drew that in fourth block at school because I was bored and we were drawing in negative.

Which is why I was confused when lego said he'd seen it before

It did seem weird to me that a drawing you did looked so "familiar"

Can you use this for anything

pokes Raf

POOOOOFFCFFFFFDDDDDDDCMMDL

Lol

food

hello guys im just writing htat because i want to test if this works

You could've deleted it afterwards. 😏

add a role called Randium

who have that role is the winner

Then I'll give that role to myself! ☺(edited)

You could add an item system

Where you get stuff for doing stuff

Like the blood points thing but more well defined

That would interesting...

And let the items be tradeable too.

🥔

So maybe if you have a unique special ability and you choose not to use it three opportunities in a row, you get a magic potato that lets you escape death

🍆

Lol

I want to know something.
What exactly are the criteria for getting a blood point?
I remember some fairly boring messages (and some non-rp ones too) getting a blood point, and some really good ones not getting one.

There was no set in stone way.(edited)

I gave them for things I found perticularly humorous(edited)

Probably not a good idea to have that in the next one

It's not very well defined

I don't think we should have them personally

But they are fun

Well, it was an experiment. It didn't work the way it was supposed to, so we're most likely not gonna do it next season.

10 blood points for a lynch skip :DD

Yeah, I must admit, it's hard for the game masters to decide when to award points, and therefore support the idea of abandoning the idea.

(lol)

@Randium

Whoops. 😄

Two role ideas:

Swapper: Can swap 2 players' roles on the third night, turns into innocent after that

Degrader: Can turn one werewolf into a cursed civ every night

Why on the third night? 🤔

Because they'll get used to their roles >:·}(edited)

Maybe second

for Degrader maybe make it every 3 - 4 nights because otherwise it seems unreasonable

I would have just called it an apothecary. Creates an anti-lycanthropy brew

good idea

3 days to prepare

Only prevents transformation. Not cures it.

And what do you think about the swapper?

@RafMeister can it swap itself with another player's role?

@WhyThough - The best username® well, after they've swapped, they turn into a regular civ, so they could choose to get that player's (unknown to the swapper themself) role, and the player would get inno

Maybe the swapper can't swap themselves

But there's a separate role who can do what you just described

IE get someone else's role and make that someone else an innocent

What if, this every season when you win, you get a winner role for that season! For example: if I win in season four, I would get the "S4 Winner" role.

That's kinda already there, I think

@RafMeister Oh. I thought it was where you swapped roles and then turned, each other.

@BlendedSpider Already exists. The role is red and it is shown that they player won with a hashtag. (Eg: #3)(edited)

Oh, is that what that role is? I think it should be more obvious than just a number....

if it's grey and a number it means you were in it

if it's red and is # and a number it means you were still alive at the end of it

That's what I'm saying, it needs to be more obvious what they are than that.

yeah

i guess the easiest way to do that would be to rename the winner roles

@Game Master

Yeah

It's already there

The seemed obvious enough for me.

same here tbh

it seemed obvious to me too

but there's no reason not to change it

Clearly it isn't obvious enough if I didn't know what the role actually was

yeah

"winner of series 3" is a better name than "#3"

^

"#" doesn't mean "winner" except here

I didnt get that either

i thought that woud mean you where on the 1/2/3 place in any season, and made no sence(???)

If you wanna say something on this channel, you better be quick! I'm gonna close it soon!

ajit pai is my bae

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